is anyone a "special" community support officer

[furio_beno]

feel like giving something back to the community and just want to try something different for a bit as i am considering changing jobs soon

what does everyone think ??

any replies from community suppourt officers greatley apprectiated

cheers

(sorry about spelling mistakes very late and im very tired lol )

[LittleDude101]

i am indeed, and have just got in from work... PM me if you want some info, I will happily explain all

[Lee_P]

i dont think i could do it because correct me if im wrong but you dont have any power just the same as a civillian....

and so the kids and everyone tend to well think the above so just happily dish out abuse

[MJRallying]

Your right lee they have no power what so ever there just out on the streets to show more police presence and to try and deter crimes!!

I mean most of the police are ok but the PCSO's seem to have the same attitude as traffic wardens!!

[Hanuman]

its a step on the ladder for anyone who wants to join the police but didnt currently get in. unless i was DESPERATE i personally wouldnt, dont like the idea of no real power not that the police do these days mind u

[willsy]

Although powers are limited and they dont have the same equipment as a regular police officer they are valuable members of the Police force.Alot of the jobs and tasks which they are expected to do are ones which dont require powers such as obtaining info regarding a crime or gathering evidence etc.

It does allow the regular police officers to be out cracking the hardcore crime alot more.

The main advantage with being a PCSO is that you get paid and of course it is a foot in the door if you're thinking of getting into the regulars full time.

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As far as getting a foot in the door being a Special Constable is much more preferrable, you dont get paid unfortunately but you can work whenever you please and you have exectly the same powers/uniform etc as a regular officer and will deal with all kinds of crime and incidents.

Been working as a Special now for nearly2 years and absolutely love it, would recommend it to anyone TBH

[furio_beno]

ye its sounds ace am going to apply at christmas time and specials do have the same powers as any normal paid police man/woman

[LittleDude101]

i dont think i could do it because correct me if im wrong but you dont have any power just the same as a civillian....

and so the kids and everyone tend to well think the above so just happily dish out abuse

Your right lee they have no power what so ever there just out on the streets to show more police presence and to try and deter crimes!!

I mean most of the police are ok but the PCSO's seem to have the same attitude as traffic wardens!!

As Wilsy said... we have limited powers, but they are forever growing.

its the main way to get into the Met now as they do a speeded application for you if you want to become a PC.

I personally dont get any abuse, like PC's, its the way you talk to people and deal with people - you just have to gain respect. No one really knows the real role of a PCSO hence all the media attention making us out to be useless etc. If they pay attention to what we can and cant do, and the legislation that holds us back from doing certain things, im sure they would retract comments

[Lee_P]

so its volenteer work?

[jaybiss]

PCSO is a paid job

Specials is voluntary

[Lee_P]

:oops: sorry im lost a pcso how do you become that?

[LittleDude101]

:oops: sorry im lost a pcso how do you become that?

go to your police forces website and go to the recruitment bit... all should be on there

[rob_s]

what qualifications etc do you need? and dont you have to be over 21 to join?

[Liniarki21]

Are PCSO's actually allowed to take alcohol from you if you don't prove your 18?

Never actually knew if they could, it's happened to me before :\

[Yates]

thing in the mail yesterday about 2 of these i think, let a little lad drown cos they were told not to try save him as they didnt have the training. nice

liniarki - not allowed alcohol open in the streets at any age they can take if off you a think

[Lee_P]

really so no one can have alcohol at all i thought this was only in no alcohol zones

[Yates]

i thought it was anywhere, obv outside a pub you will be fine, but sure you cant go around drinkin in the streets despite how old you are

[Lee_P]

i havent got a clue but it would make alot of sense

[sharpy24]

that thing where 2 pcso's stood there while a little boy drowned is disgusting, what normal human being would stand there while a little boy or anyone really was drowning! fuck sake 2 60y/o blokes got in and helped my 70 gran said she wold have even got in.

Its human nature to help people, they are really in teh wrong fucking job if they can just stand there and not help. Fuck sake things like that really boil my piss. I bet the 2 old blokes werent trained either. Im a prison officer, not trained in water rescue but jesus it was a pond for fuck sake. yeah if it was the sea or something i might have been a bit hesitant, we were all taking about it at work and even some of the most hardened prolific criminals we have said they couldnt stand by and watch a kid drown.

They want named and shamed as far as im concerned, and a foot up their arses too.

psco's are a waste of time in my book, they have no powers or anything just wander round all day thinking they are something they arent.

Specials on the other hand to me get my respect as they are doing it in their spare time and basically are putting something back in the community, no one asked them to do it, no one pays them, they get no real thanks, but yet they still do it?! couple of people who work with me used to be a special, but they cant continue doing it as its a conflict of intrests...

[Yates]

well said

i think for me it would be a reaction to go in i couldnt watch it

[Saxoladlesta]

If you actually read the story instead of jumping on the media bandwagon you would of realised that the PCSO's turned up after the boy had gone under the water.The water was black and the area was the size of a football pitch so where would you start looking for him??

[Yates]

If you actually read the story instead of jumping on the media bandwagon you would of realised that the PCSO's turned up after the boy had gone under the water.The water was black and the area was the size of a football pitch so where would you start looking for him??

wherever if there was a young lad in the water drowning, if there was 2 of them there, then 2 others went in

[LittleDude101]

thing in the mail yesterday about 2 of these i think, let a little lad drown cos they were told not to try save him as they didnt have the training. nice

liniarki - not allowed alcohol open in the streets at any age they can take if off you a think

no alcohol in designated areas... but, if a person is causing, or has been reported for causing aint social behaviour and has alcohol, a pcso can and chances are will take it away... I have done so myself, and what pleasure watching 3 16year olds break down :drink: :y:

that thing where 2 pcso's stood there while a little boy drowned is disgusting, what normal human being would stand there while a little boy or anyone really was drowning! fuck sake 2 60y/o blokes got in and helped my 70 gran said she wold have even got in.

Its human nature to help people, they are really in teh wrong fucking job if they can just stand there and not help. Fuck sake things like that really boil my piss. I bet the 2 old blokes werent trained either. Im a prison officer, not trained in water rescue but jesus it was a pond for fuck sake. yeah if it was the sea or something i might have been a bit hesitant, we were all taking about it at work and even some of the most hardened prolific criminals we have said they couldnt stand by and watch a kid drown.

They want named and shamed as far as im concerned, and a foot up their arses too.

psco's are a waste of time in my book, they have no powers or anything just wander round all day thinking they are something they arent.

Specials on the other hand to me get my respect as they are doing it in their spare time and basically are putting something back in the community, no one asked them to do it, no one pays them, they get no real thanks, but yet they still do it?! couple of people who work with me used to be a special, but they cant continue doing it as its a conflict of intrests...


read into it first. The control may have said not to enter the water, its a catch 22 situation... You get a pat on the back and a well done if it goes well, if not the police wont back you up as you havent had the relevent training, therefore cannot and should not do it. Its the same as everything nowadays in the police... there is so much legislation holding people back from doing what they should, the public dont see it and dont understand. I should imagine was difficult for the pcso's on scene. Even the fire brigade have legislation in place not to enter water without relevent equipment. Being in the job myself, I dont blame the pcso's not going in the water... I would like to think I would jump in, but no one knows. Yes, it was someones life on the line, but maybe the force has put it in their minds that under any circumstances they should not do what they arent meant to and have to watch their own backs. Moraly they were wrong, realisticly we will never know.

[Yates]

what training do you need to try and save someone from drowning? you cant train for that its an instinct to jump in and try and save them depending on the person you are...

if i was doing a job and they said dont do it with someones life at risk id go against that

[LittleDude101]

what training do you need to try and save someone from drowning? you cant train for that its an instinct to jump in and try and save them depending on the person you are...

if i was doing a job and they said dont do it with someones life at risk id go against that

in theory, you dont need training... its as simple as having a piss. PC's however go through the relevent training.

We dont know the whole story behind what happened. If their force is the same as the Met Police, they wont back you up if you have done something you shouldnt have, meaning they would probably loose their job.

I think im right in believing the PCSO's havent let out their statements to the media, reading those would help before judgment is made,

[Danhunt]

what training do you need to try and save someone from drowning? you cant train for that its an instinct to jump in and try and save them depending on the person you are...

if i was doing a job and they said dont do it with someones life at risk id go against that

well said, no one should put a job infront of a life, especially the one of a little boy.

[Yates]

in theory, you dont need training... its as simple as having a piss. PC's however go through the relevent training.

We dont know the whole story behind what happened. If their force is the same as the Met Police, they wont back you up if you have done something you shouldnt have, meaning they would probably loose their job.

I think im right in believing the PCSO's havent let out their statements to the media, reading those would help before judgment is made,

bosses say no...you go ahead do it, you get sacked. im not sure id care bout my job if id saved a life, and im pretty sure the parents would appriciate what you did, even if you didnt manage to save, you made the effort

[LittleDude101]

bosses say no...you go ahead do it, you get sacked. im not sure id care bout my job if id saved a life, and im pretty sure the parents would appriciate what you did, even if you didnt manage to save, you made the effort

As i said morally they were wrong.

I just watched a video of the report on BBC's news site. It states there were two people in the water. When the PCSO's arrived the child was under and had been for some time. The PCSO's were on their radio's getting relevent assistance

[Yates]

anyone can call an ambulance, with there jobs they are there to help the community, 2 people there, hes been under a while, cant find him, go in and help

[bullit]

natuaral instinct would be to jump in. obviously they didnt want to get wet

[LittleDude101]

anyone can call an ambulance, with there jobs they are there to help the community, 2 people there, hes been under a while, cant find him, go in and help

im not going to defend the pcso's as individuals... I like to think I would jump in, but after my own risk assessment i may not. Until it happens I cant say

A PC from the station jumped in to pull out a dead body, he got praised by the media, but our commander wasnt to happy.

The policy is not to jump into the water. - Although that is the policy, im not saying they were right for not jumping in.

[furio_beno]

all i can say is i bet they are at the lowest points in there lives watchin a little boy drowning so stop bitching ffs its pathetic its all about people taking the pisss nowadays such as compo claims etc if they done something wrong they would be sued and sacked yes i would have gone in but there could have been anythin in that water ? needles? instead of one dead there could be three dead its happened a lot near me (live next to a canal people jumping in to help and drowning ) ye it shows they wanna help but sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing so stop bitchin and give people who wanna help the community a bit of respect for once! everyone of them officers has my respect as they thought they did what was right and are now feelin suicidal (probably) so just show a bit of respect

R.I.P. little boy who drowned

[willsy]

I think this is a certain scenario where noone can agree on a right or wrong answer, its the old agree to disagree thing again.

Personally if id arrived there and the child was still very much on the surface and thrashing about then yes unquestionably i would have gone in and dragged him out no questions asked.

But as the child had already gone under and not been seen for a few minutes the following would have crossed my mind:

I have no idea how deep this water could be..
Water isnt clear and id have no vision, chances of me locating the child would be slim
The lake was part of an old quarry based area, who knows just what kind of crap would be lying on the bottom.

With that in mind and the fact that a child can drown in less time than it takes to answer the telephone everyone would react differently, saying it now and taking that into account i probably wouldnt have gone into the water either, but thats common sense talking...

... in a real life situation adrenaline takes place and im sure id probably have tried to help regardless as would many others.

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Thread has drifted off its intended course again though, can we please keep it back onto original subject.

[furio_beno]

agreed : ) back onto the thread topic please