Civic VTI

[middleweight]

would a 1993 hatchback be quicker than a vts?

[Karl]

my money is on no.

[MaRiO89]

Think they are about 160 bhp..

135mph flat out..dont know the 0-60..

Those stats may be for the slightly newer shape though..

I'd rather have the VTS though..

[rockerlad]

not to sure to tell you the truth

[middleweight]

my friend is getting one and he's goin crazy about how fast they are! its annoyin me lol.... its got 120,000 on the clock though

[VTR_Nick]

my friend is getting one and he's goin crazy about how fast they are! its annoyin me lol.... its got 120,000 on the clock though

thats not high millage it's jap

[Leo]

it would kill a vts surely

[flee123]

Would beat a VTS mate, these are amazing cars. 120k is nothing to worry about as the B16 VTEC lump in the is literally bulletproof. Probably one of the best engines, if not the best, Honda have ever produced. I think I read somewhere that Honda have never a B16 back, not sure though.

[Yates]

my mate has an r reg one, unsure what model it is

vti 160 bhp

beats a vts, but i dont think theres too much in it 0-60

country road is a different matter tho cos of the saxo handling

[Hanuman]

i read all over google and whatnot while looking into vtecs, that there apparently has not been one fault with the vtec (any of the vtec) engines EVER! not sure how true this is but i guess it means provided you change the belts and what not then the engine has never produced its own fault, without any intervention from poor servicing

[b0t13]

the engine itself is amazingly reliable, but as for the speed its slightly slower than a vts on the book, mostly down to the driver tbh

the saxo has a slight advantage tho..

[Yates]

im sure its faster 0-60 than the vts

in a straight line im sure it would beat the vts

[Japman]

would be intresting :)

[b0t13]

Engine Size 1595 cc
Cylinders 4
0-60 mph 7.7 s
Power Output 157 bhp
Valves 16
Torque 150 Nm
Top Speed 129 mph

although parkers seems to think the civic jordan is slower :S and has same spec...

[Japman]

parkers are out tbh

[Jazz]

Saxo VTS and Civic VTi are almost identical in a straight, well at least according to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SlHkMaW5A

[MJRallying]

Civic VTI will be very marginally quicker 0-60 but after that on VTEC it will just keep pulling the same all the way through.

And yes as said above the B16 Engine is bullet proof as of most hondas.

[R4T]

tbh yes it will,but like most people say about my cavalier a vts will beat it!!and a vts will be close to my 2.0 16v corsa haha

[MJRallying]

Is that a cavalier 20SEH engine i see in your avatar R4T???

I had an 8v SEH 130bhp and that was quick for what it was!!!

[Yates]

tbh yes it will,but like most people say about my cavalier a vts will beat it!!and a vts will be close to my 2.0 16v corsa haha

not one person said it would be close to your corsa, altho on the twisties it would be interesting ;)

lets not start this argument again, cos when i looked at the stats of your car, the vts was quicker. you even admitted it at the end of the thread

ive also stated that the vti is quicker than the vts on the straights also

[MJRallying]

Im assuming he's talking 20XE (redtop) engine when he says 2.0 16v if so it will eat a vts and cornering i grant you the saxo is a much better chassis hence handling being better.

But then i dont know what brake/sus setup he has got....

[Yates]

Im assuming he's talking 20XE (redtop) engine when he says 2.0 16v if so it will eat a vts and cornering i grant you the saxo is a much better chassis hence handling being better.

But then i dont know what brake/sus setup he has got....

he mentioned his cav

130bhp 2ltr 8v
120bhp 1.6ltr 16v

i said that the vts would beat it, which i think it would

he also mentioned the 2.0ltr 16v 150bhp cav, he said the vts wouldnt have a chance in hell, i dont think there would be much in it, but i didnt say i thought the vts would win said it would be closer than he thought, then i said if on track/twisties the vts would grab it

i also pointed out im not one of these people who think the vts is the fastest car ever

[middleweight]

its the older civic than the one in the video.... the 2nd shape

[MJRallying]

he mentioned his cav

130bhp 2ltr 8v
120bhp 1.6ltr 16v

i said that the vts would beat it, which i think it would

he also mentioned the 2.0ltr 16v 150bhp cav, he said the vts wouldnt have a chance in hell, i dont think there would be much in it, but i didnt say i thought the vts would win said it would be closer than he thought, then i said if on track/twisties the vts would grab it

i also pointed out im not one of these people who think the vts is the fastest car ever

I can tell your not the type mate to think the vts is the fastest car on the road!!

Altho there only 150bhp the redtops really go as do any old car as there not restricted as much as newer cars my old cav sri 130bhp 2.0 8v wouldnt be to far behind a vts saxo again as a few peeps on here will vouch for!!

0-60 a std Redtop 150bhp would be neck and neck with a vts due to power/weight ratio but once up and going again there good for over 140

[MJRallying]

its the older civic than the one in the video.... the 2nd shape

It will be the EG shape civic then mate as the one in the video is the same shape as the jordans (EK)

[Yates]

yeah i understand that top end the cav would beat it, its bigger engine and more power, its common sense really

R4T knows about his vauxhalls, but i get the impression he has never drove a vts, he says that we all think that the vts is the worlds fastest car, then im thinking that he actually things his cav is.

im not saying the 130 is a slow car and can imagine it wouldnt be far behind the s

but on a track or on country roads id wave goodbye to you ;)

[MJRallying]

Without an argument mate a well setup cav will be better on the fast a-roads as the longer and wider wheel base gives the out right grip that the saxo wont have!!

Alot of you from trax know what my bros saxo handles like and its only better on very tight corners as its nimble but get him on faster bends and as he knows my astra (or a well setup cav) will be all over him

[Yates]

ah yes bristols bro, his cars too low, tell him i said that, anyway he runs spax, thats not well set up ;)

a well set up saxo will give your cav a run for its money, silverstone was a very big circuit with quite a few straights, and tight corners, i remember seein a cav on there going around, alot of back end action, altho that was just the way he was driving! would be interesting to see, never really thought bout what it would be like with the cav set up.

but standard v standard what would you think would be the outcome on a track like silverstone?

[MiniGibbo]

honda civic eg vti (uk spec)

1.6 160hp (100hp per litre)
top end 135
0-60 7.5

vts is

1.6 120hp
top end bout 130 i think
0-60 7.9


comes down to personal prefence


civic all the way on performance and reliability i no bout 6 vti owners ;)

saxo for looks :afro:

[Jazz]

honda civic eg vti (uk spec)

1.6 160hp (100hp per litre)
top end 135
0-60 7.5

vts is

1.6 120hp
top end bout 130 i think
0-60 7.9


comes down to personal prefence


civic all the way on performance and reliability i no bout 6 vti owners ;)

saxo for looks :afro:

... VTS 0-60mph in 7.7s, the cars seem very evenly matched actually. Yes the Civic is more powerful, yes fine it will be about 100X better-built and last 1000X longer, but the little 16v Sax puts up a very decent fight as far as acceleration is concerned. :)

[Yates]

... VTS 0-60mph in 7.7s, the cars seem very evenly matched actually. Yes the Civic is more powerful, yes fine it will be about 100X better-built and last 1000X longer, but the little 16v Sax puts up a very decent fight as far as acceleration is concerned. :)

you are pretty much wasting your time, 9/10 its falls on deff people who cant see passed the boy racer image of the saxo

[Jazz]

you are pretty much wasting your time, 9/10 its falls on deff people who cant see passed the boy racer image of the saxo

...urgh shame that, don't know what they're missing ;)

[MiniGibbo]

you are pretty much wasting your time, 9/10 its falls on deff people who cant see passed the boy racer image of the saxo

your actully wrong id pick a saxo over a civic other wise id of had a civic eh :y:

as much as the civic is a better car theres to many locally and as im concerend "its just onother civic"

viva la saxo :afro:

[Yates]

most have never driven one yet slag it. not all of them but most of them havent

[MiniGibbo]

most have never driven one yet slag it. not all of them but most of them havent

dont think anyone with a saxo will not get branded "boy racer" "frence piece"

o well all i get now is "yet another bastard bmw driver" :homme:

[Jazz]

'Bastard Beemer driver,'
'boy-racer saxo driver,'
'chavvy corsa'
'essex-boi Fiesta'

seems theres a piss-take for all us motorists, hey? Not much we can do about it :(

[Yates]

dont think anyone with a saxo will not get branded "boy racer" "frence piece"

o well all i get now is "yet another bastard bmw driver" :homme:

id rather be a bastard than a boy racer

not havin ago at you mate, but im on bout other drivers, R4T for example im pretty sure hes never drove one in his life

[MiniGibbo]

id rather be a bastard than s bmw driver

im not havin ago at you mate, but im on bout other drivers, R4T for example im pretty sure hes never drove one in his life

nah im kwl mate i love the way they say hay you got a shit saxo, soon as they leave maccy d's car park they soon shut up as the saxo roars past em :y:

[jimbo06]

yep vti's are quicker than vts' but theres not alot in it really. the b16b enigne in the eg/ek vti's is bullit proof though, 120,000 is nothing if the oil has been changed quite regulary and the belt has been done.

[MaRiO89]

ah yes bristols bro, his cars too low, tell him i said that, anyway he runs spax, thats not well set up ;)

Kiss my ass..

Also tbh, the cavalier SRI my bro had was very stable on long bumpy corners as its wide, has proper rear sus etc..

Depends where you play i suppose, nice tight twistie roads the Saxo will win, long flowing roads at high speed the cavi will be all over it!

[MJRallying]

Well said james :P

[MaRiO89]

Well said james :P

I know..

And that came from someone who thinks saxo's are the best hatch ever..(me):y:

[MaRiO89]

Also i'd like to say to all those that doubt TU engines, dont do it..

They are seriously solid engines, the electronics aint the best, but hey its only a few sensors etc, not alot to replace if they go wrong..

Just one example of what i mean is this, TU's have a dowled flywheel..What this means is where on most engines there are 6 bolts holding the flywheel on, the TU's have these 6 bolts and a dowel which is there to stop the flywheel spinning off/shearing the bolts..

This is just one engineering feature they have..I have seen VW engines without this..

I haven't got stuck in enough with my engine build yet to find anymore things like this but i'm sure there are some more..:d

[b0t13]

I haven't got stuck in enough with my engine build yet to find anymore things like this but i'm sure there are some more..:d

get on with it then, i want to see it finished ;)

[MaRiO89]

get on with it then, i want to see it finished ;)

I do aswell! :P

Taking it slowly, no need to rush it..

[rushy_23]

Think they are about 160 bhp..

135mph flat out..dont know the 0-60..

Those stats may be for the slightly newer shape though..

I'd rather have the VTS though..

You say Saxo over everything mate...

[MaRiO89]

You say Saxo over everything mate...

Yeah i do..Best all round hatch made imo..

Its not all about out and out power etc..

[TheMadSaxo]

We seem to be talking about 2 different civics here.

The 5th generation Civic Vti (EG) should be a fair bit quicker than the 6th genaration Civic (EK) as the EK (Jordan shape) weighs about 200kg more and shares the same b16a engine - 160bhp.

Jordan is 0-60mph in 7.9secs and feels a lot slower than a Vts off the mark. However, once in it's vtec zone it definitely feels quicker. I should know - i own both cars! Would be a very interesting race from a standing start as both have similar power to weight ratios. Even round a track the Jordan would match a Vts. If you've never driven one you'll be surprised how hard it grips round bends probably due to the slip diff.

The '93 Civic (EG) which is what the guy was asking about has a power to weight of 148bhp/ton. I've just done a quick search and found 0-60mph in 7.3secs. If that's right (and I'm guessing it is) it would wipe the floor with a Vts in a straight line.

[jimbo06]

We seem to be talking about 2 different civics here.

The 5th generation Civic Vti (EG) should be a fair bit quicker than the 6th genaration Civic (EK) as the EK (Jordan shape) weighs about 200kg more and shares the same b16a engine - 160bhp.

Jordan is 0-60mph in 7.9secs and feels a lot slower than a Vts off the mark. However, once in it's vtec zone it definitely feels quicker. I should know - i own both cars! Would be a very interesting race from a standing start as both have similar power to weight ratios. Even round a track the Jordan would match a Vts. If you've never driven one you'll be surprised how hard it grips round bends probably due to the slip diff.

The '93 Civic (EG) which is what the guy was asking about has a power to weight of 148bhp/ton. I've just done a quick search and found 0-60mph in 7.3secs. If that's right (and I'm guessing it is) it would wipe the floor with a Vts in a straight line.

did you put a lsd in your jordan like mate, because ek4 jordans never had one, nor did eg vti's/ek vti's. only the import ek9 type r and certain import sir2 eg's had lsd's from the factory. so round a track id definatly go with a vts over the vti. ;)