1.6 or 1.9

[nazz1]

I really fancy a 205 gti

but which do I go for the 1.6 or 1.9?

and is there any year that was better?

discuss please

rep for top info!

[SaxoJamie]

The 1.9 is the quicker but I have driven a mates 205 that was a 1.6 which had very sharp thottle response and felt really fun to drive. I think it was an E or F registration (1988) I think was the best year for the 205's at their peak

[nazz1]

thanks

which would be quicker bottom end?

[OLLYVTS]

1.9 for sure!!

[Saxy1]

1.9 mate :y:

[nazz1]

I heard the 1.6 had a better set up?

[saxo2005]

Yea wud def recommend either.. my mates got mint 1.9, and its a little rocket!. Plus i had 1.6 cti for about a month inbetween saxos, was great drive and pretty nippy too..

But yea if your looking for the quicker then all i can say is 1.9!

[nazz1]

cti? whats that?

[saxo2005]

cti is the convertible version mate.. ill find you a pic of mine...

[nazz1]

oh right ok, so is a cti the same spec as a gti just convertible?

[pug205gti87]

205's are good bottom end power. i owned one a few months ago. they are ok but once you get to about 5000rpm theres no more power from there. but they are quick for what they are lol. not as quick as a vts though

[scottyvtr]

cti is the convertible version mate.. ill find you a pic of mine...

thought that one was called a Cj ?????

both leathal in the wet i had 1.6 gti really really good in the dry ftw !!!!

[saxo2005]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/saxo2005/2006_1201Image0002.jpg

That was my old cti runabout.. paid £400 for it.

[nazz1]

what bhp does the 1.6gti pump out

what about the bhp of a 1.9gti?

if I had one of these would I beat my mate in his polo16v with bmc cda?

[nazz1]

looks nice that

how much did you sell for?

[dan_87]

1.9 for sure my mates got one for track days and its well quick

[saxo2005]

Yea my cti had the same 1.6 as the gti, just you could take the roof down when it was sunny!.. i paid £400 for it off garage i use for my saxo, kept it about 3-4wks and sold it for £750 on ebay!.

[nazz1]

cash back!

anyone know what bhp the 1.6 gti and 1.9gti put out?

[SaxoJamie]

I'd have the 1.9 for the top speed but I'd go with the 1.6 tbh just for the lemon sharp throttle response and it is already set up well to get plenty of power from standard. Have a look on www.parkers.co.uk.

[saxo2005]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/saxo2005/2006_1201Image0004.jpg

For when the suns out!,..

[dan_87]

1.6 is 115bhp
1.9 is 130bhp
I think....

[nazz1]

1.6 is 115bhp
1.9 is 130bhp
I think....

ye thats what I saw on parkers

so would the 15bhp mean much to bottom end?

[dan_87]

not really sure mate, i would have thought so.

[nazz1]

so I getting vibes of a 1.9 gti 1988 model

that about right?

[nazz1]

agree/disagree?

[SaxoJamie]

1.6 is 115bhp
1.9 is 130bhp
I think....

Sounds about right, both are great cars tbh

[Jackman]

205 Rallye ftw :P

[nazz1]

Jackman I knew as soon as I saw you'd posted a reply on this topic that was going to come!

Is your rallye engine standard?

[Jackman]

:) what more do you want me to say!

Yup.. 100% standard :)

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l314/MrJackman/Image206.jpg

[TypeRhys]

look for an MI16.

in decent condition they are cheaper to buy than an equivalent condition 1.9

[nazz1]

do you know what BHP an MI16 pumps out rhys?

Jackman what does the rallye go like?

[Jackman]

I know of a MI lump for 200bucks.

Not really sure what it goes like yet as i haven't really taken it out...

Need MOT first lol.

[KamRacing]

For a cheap fun car then the rallye is a very good little motor. Due to its light weight its very chuckable.

The 1.6gti is a very good car. The later models had the same head as the 1.9 so got bigger valves - ditch the cat and it will be a good engine. Its a more revvy engine than the 1.9 due to its shorter stroke crank. Came with cloth seats, pepperpot wheels and drum brakes on the rear.

The 1.9 is a stroked version of the 1.6 engine with its 86mm crank compared to the 73mm crank in the 1.6. Upgrades included the much nicer speedline alloys, half leather seats and disk brakes at the rear. Its faster accelerating yet without the franticness of the 1.6.

The gti's phase 1 interior (grey dash and seats) was from 84-90, H-reg models got a revised interior, dark grey more modern dash, black seats, and dark grey bumpers amongst other things.

Personally I would go for the higher specced 1.9 as a good one is a match for the vts/106 gti in performance. The 1.9 is the best of the bunch and is a very rapid point to point car. Personally I would go for as late a model as you can get. Look for one owned by an enthusiast who has looked after it and has a box of receipts showing how well its been looked after.

If you want any advice on tuning or when buying one then drop me a pm as i've owned about 8 over the years.

Kev@kam

[nazz1]

I don't know whether I would risk a rallye tbh

I want something that will beat my mates polo 16v 100bhp with bmc cda!

[KamRacing]

do you know what BHP an MI16 pumps out rhys?

Jackman what does the rallye go like?

160bhp new for the alloy block, 155bhp for the iron block
The rallye is a very nippy car, good fun though ditch the gearbox for one off a 205 xs as it needs lower gears.

[craig180]

Early 1.6s are 105hp whereas the later ones were 115hp

~What you want though is the 130hp 1.9, ideally a 1992K plater. They were the last of the cat less cars.

Low down torque is very good. Top end is questionable though, and on a flat road would only be as quick as a mildly tuned VTR. Food for thought

[Jackman]

160bhp new for the alloy block, 155bhp for the iron block
The rallye is a very nippy car, good fun though ditch the gearbox for one off a 205 xs as it needs lower gears.

Ill remember that about the gearbox.. i need a new one anyway :)

[nazz1]

I probably wont get a 205 until after christmas but the scales is definitely leaning the way of the 1.9gti

unless I can get agood deal on a tidy mi16

[Wayne]

1.9 defintely:y:

[AlexR]

1.9 has huge amounts of low down power compared to a vts.

[Lorrie_VTR]

oooh.. 205 GTi's.. I sold mine to get the Saxo. I had a 1.6 version, with the closer ratio gearbox, cracking little car.. paid nothing for it and spend a small fortune getting it up to standard, even had a full leather interior!

Sold it for something cheaper to own, 205 was a bit high maintenance!

Here is a piccy, one of the ones I used for the AutoTrader advert..

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o159/Leemc2006/peugeot_004.jpg

:p

[Jackman]

that looks mint!

[Lorrie_VTR]

Was awful when I got it, but my guy got to work on it, replacing doors, bonnet and boot.. (was cheaper than painting them!) Refurbed the whole black kit with red trim and refurbished alloys.

The only good bit was the engine and gearbox.. but every other mechanical part was replaced!

[DevilDamo]

It's all about the 1.9 8v's and then proceeding with an Mi16 conversion and then progressing on to some TB's :)

[Lorrie_VTR]

It's all about the 1.9 8v's and then proceeding with an Mi16 conversion and then progressing on to some TB's :)

My friend James is running MI on 45's, 170bhp.. Very quick 205.

[DevilDamo]

Cool :) A girly friend of mine is pushing out just shy of 200bhp. Spec's and pics can be found here (http://www.frenchsportsclub.com/index.php?pageid=sm&id=248) :)

[jeeves_101]

1.9 gti ftw.

could always slap the 1.6 box on it for that little extra spurt.

[RedB]

My friend James is running MI on 45's, 170bhp.. Very quick 205.

A mates brother owns one just like that in blue and it is rapido, eats anything for breakfast (3secs+ 0-60)

[RedB]

What year and spec was the rally 205 Turbo model?

[Quick]

205 T16 was 1984 and a group B monster - not much in common with the regular 205
http://www.motorbase.com/vehicle/by-id/1424112225/

[KamRacing]

I personally think the best gearbox I have used (5 speed) was a 1.9 gearbox with a 1.6 final drive. Gti-6 box was better but I was scared to go into multistory carparks as I wasent sure I could get out.

You have to remember they are really old cars. Mine was built in 86 and I think its had every mechanical part replaced. I had an mi16 engine on throttlebodies in but this has now been removed as I am developing a 1.7 mi16 engine for racing :D

Things to watch out for are the rear suspension. After so many years many seem in need of a refurbed one.

Kev

[Scattle]

1.9 ftw.

[CampDavid]

I really fancy a 1.6 actually. A nice, uber mint 1.6 would be quite lovely and a cheeper option.

The power and performance of the 205 isn't it's real draw, it's the way it handles and the 1.6 is apparently a little better

The 205 also should be entirely standard. You can't improve on the handling and they are too old for succesful engine mods IMO. Standard is sweet when it comes to classic Pug GTIs

[leeroybrown]

I really fancy a 1.6 actually. A nice, uber mint 1.6 would be quite lovely and a cheeper option.

The power and performance of the 205 isn't it's real draw, it's the way it handles and the 1.6 is apparently a little better

The 205 also should be entirely standard. You can't improve on the handling and they are too old for succesful engine mods IMO. Standard is sweet when it comes to classic Pug GTIs

A man with wise words!!!!

[KamRacing]

but slightly wrong imho lol

Though i agree the 1.6 would still be a good purchase - especially for a relatively inexperienced driver.
its not about outright power - its about using what you have to the best effect

I personally think the handling issue is due to the weight difference of the 15" alloys over the 14" 1.6 ones and maybe the size of the brakes as the suspension is not really different enough to make a difference. Certainly I could notice the difference! The extra unsprung weight is really quite noticable on such a light car.

Standard suspension is good but it can be seriously improved. Skip brown do a phase one and phase two kit using bilstein dampers and custom springs, then (phase 2) uprated torsion bars/ antiroll bar and negative camber kit.

Our Rallye also had handling way better than standard by ditching the rear torsion bars and running rear turrets and coilovers :D

The problem is that people buy cheap suspension for these cars and though grip is improved with the stiffer springs and lowered COG the handling suffers. Spax are rubbish on a 205 for example - their kits really dont cope with anything resembling a bump in the road. A bit of thought and money needs to be used to get the best out of the car.

[KamRacing]

too old for successful engine mods?!

The 8v is in a reasonable high state of tune but turbo kits are straight forward - turbo technics did a conversion and many people have taken that design a lot further, even superchargers are being fitted to great effect...
n/a throttlebody kits are readily available so you can then run lairy cams. race engines can be around 240bhp n/a from longmans

Most people go for the mi16 engines though and these are very successful, though due to its oil pressure issues on high speed cornering (on track) many are now using the s-16 and gti-6 engines to great effect, even 206 180 engines and 3.0 v6's! With such a big enginebay for the size of car you can almost do what you like?

Its old enough that virtually everything has been tried and tested and there are hundreds of products made for it.

have to say i have a rather soft spot for the cars :D
Kev

[bentley1992]

looks sweet

[Phils_VTR]

I like how you state 'Polo with a BMC CDA!!!!!!'

BMC = gay.

And will not give any power gain.

[CHIP]

It kind of worries me when you say you want it to beat your mates 1.4 Polo.

Just makes me think you won't actually be an enthusiast, just buying the car to show off to mates and thrash the fook out of it.

If you get one, please(!!) look after it. Nice old skool car's and ideally want plenty to be left for years to come. I wouldn't mind one eventually.

A mate has one on carb's with an mi16 and it looks awesome :)

[CHIP]

Picture's of said car:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll155/chipvtr/25108_10150170560375604_517910603_1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll155/chipvtr/25108_10150167621370604_517910603_1.jpg

[Phils_VTR]

Picture's of said car:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs436.snc3/25108_10150170560375604_517910603_12143386_7466669 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs416.snc3/25108_10150167621370604_517910603_12058525_1456297 _n.jpg

Images aren't working with the code. Just use the links.

[CHIP]

Images aren't working with the code. Just use the links.

Fixed.

[Phils_VTR]

Picture's of said car:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll155/chipvtr/25108_10150167621370604_517910603_1.jpg

LOVE THE WIDE ARCHES AND THE WHEELS! :y:

I WANT.

[JamesR]

^ That looks awsome :D

[Mr_X]

bump??? lol

[Tom_Crx]

bump??? lol
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/holy_thread_resurrection_batman.jpg

[joe333]

1.9 mate

[potatopete]

bump??? lol


F*cking major bumpage, LOL!

[CHIP]

Blame Bentley1992 haha! 1 post newbie!

[Saaamon]

Lol clearly didn't read the date

[joehow12]

Early 1.6s are 105hp whereas the later ones were 115hp

~What you want though is the 130hp 1.9, ideally a 1992K plater. They were the last of the cat less cars.

Low down torque is very good. Top end is questionable though, and on a flat road would only be as quick as a mildly tuned VTR. Food for thought

Craig is right a 92 K plater is your best bit...

...however the VTR bit is absolute bollocks.

A healthy 1.9 will easily loose the VTR and throw in some turns and your not even gonna no which way he went.

Mine is around 148BHP and is an awesome car handling and response is amazing.

Chris Harris recently said the new Porsche 997GT3RS had scalpal like precision with the gearbox and steering akin to a 205 gti.

If evo say this and also rank it as the 4th best FWD car of all time i think you will be fine and discover a brilliant car.