VTS or 106 GTi - i cant decide

[Curran]

ok, i'm looking at getting one but i cant decide which one to get.

the vts seems to be cheaper but then the gti has the leather interior.

i know performance is the same etc.

the vts seems to be more available than the gti but then its quite hard to find a decent one that hasnt been ragged to fcuk.

also i dont really want more than 60k on the clock.


would you choose one over the other?

if so why?

[rushy_23]

Do you really want me to answer...

Well I was originally after a Black Mk2 VTS roughly 2002 plate. But saw the GTi
and thought fcuk it! Go for it!

[Dan]

Why would the vts be more reliable? There the same car more or less.

Gti is one insurance group cheaper, and will hold its value better.

Could always buy a gti interior for the vts though.

[craig180]

I would get a vts. Cheaper to buy, cheaper parts. Fair enough the 106 will retain it's value but down the line when you want to sell you will be safe in the knowledge you saved a grand buying the vts in the first place

[rushy_23]

VTS has cheaper parts? Arent they the same lol?

[Curran]

Why would the vts be more reliable? There the same car more or less.

Gti is one insurance group cheaper, and will hold its value better.

Could always buy a gti interior for the vts though.


i said more available not relaiable, but never mind.

the gti does seem to hold its value better but that also means that the VTS is cheaper to buy in the first place, which is a bonus.


as for the interior, i may strip it out anyway as i would like to take it on track but it needs to be reasonable to use on the motorway etc.

if i had the GTI interior, i could always strip the rear when it comes to going on track then put it back in after.

also i've been on the look out for a gti interior for a while and they are like gold dust so not much change getting a good one if i was to get a VTS

[bullit]

vts are peanuts now days anyway. then buy a gti interior

[Jazz]

The GTi seems to be a rarer sight on the road than the VTS these days, at least thats what I see. Interior on the GTi is better too, and some say it handles better at the limit (although I'm unsure why..?) but yeah similar cars indeed. The peugeot badge has a marginal hot-hatch heritage prospect over Citroen with the old 205 etc, although that shouldn't really count for too much. The little GTi's are more expensive to buy, similar money could get you a nice VTS. Your choice though. Love both cars though :)

[doely_gti]

same dilemma as i had mate, i chose 106 for the following

* - everywhere i look i see a saxo, i have the only GTi in my town :)
* - the 106's look a bit more manly (just my opinion)
* - the depreciation of a 106 is alot less than a saxo

but as you said its hard to find a good one thats not been ragged about and they generally have higher mileage!

but saxo's are more available at a much lower price, for a 1999 GTi you could buy a 02 VTS with lower mileage

but as you've had a saxo i'd go 106 personally

[Curran]

I would get a vts. Cheaper to buy, cheaper parts. Fair enough the 106 will retain it's value but down the line when you want to sell you will be safe in the knowledge you saved a grand buying the vts in the first place

thats exactly whats tempting me to get a VTS.

originally i thought i would get a GTi but then looking around and seeing the price difference....

i did fancy a slight change tho as i've already had 3 saxo's

[craig180]

VTS has cheaper parts? Arent they the same lol?

Citroen body pannels are cheaper than pug's

[craig180]

i did fancy a slight change tho as i've already had 3 saxo's

Spend 4g on a 5 GTT then;)

[MaRiO89]

VTS imo..

I just prefer the looks of a MK2 Sax than a 106..

Also the dash on a Sax is much nicer to look at..:d

[Curran]

same dilemma as i had mate, i chose 106 for the following

* - everywhere i look i see a saxo, i have the only GTi in my town :)
* - the 106's look a bit more manly (just my opinion)
* - the depreciation of a 106 is alot less than a saxo

but as you said its hard to find a good one thats not been ragged about and they generally have higher mileage!

but saxo's are more available at a much lower price, for a 1999 GTi you could buy a 02 VTS with lower mileage

but as you've had a saxo i'd go 106 personally


thats exactly what i've been thinking.

the VTS is much more common than the GTi. also there are a lot more saxo's that look like VTS's than there are 106's that look like GTi's...if you know what i mean. so you see far less GTi's about.

[Wayne]

i would go for a saxo vts:y:

[garysvts]

just have both cant go wrong mate !

[Curran]

VTS imo..

I just prefer the looks of a MK2 Sax than a 106..

Also the dash on a Sax is much nicer to look at..:d


very good point.

there is only 2 negatives about the GTi for me.

one being the dash and the other being the more 'boxy' look if you know what i mean??

[rushy_23]

Haha I laugh at all your cheap body panels and lack of 24mm ARB. Your wives
are all jealous :p

Getting back to the point. I love both cars just as much as each other. I dont
favour the 106 any more over the GTi.

But when I see one it does have a bigger wow factor than the Saxos. Around
my area there are endless R reg GTis!


It seems that the money factor is the main issue your looking at buddy. Both
cars will fail to disappoint I assure you :y:

[Curran]

Spend 4g on a 5 GTT then;)

never been a fan of the 5.

also i couldnt afford the insurance and running costs etc.

it will either be a VTS or GTi thats for sure

[MaRiO89]

Dont worry about depreciation, the car's are like 3k to buy at the mo, they aren't gona drop much more really if they still have sensible mileage when you sell..

[djrem]

the saxo is tainted with a chav image though

And the 106 notorious for being owned by girls.

Whats the worst?

[rushy_23]

Trust me the dash grows on you after a while. Its just plain and simple. And tbh
the boxy look of the GTi is its appeal. The curves like the arches really set the
boxy look off. Trust me ;)

[MaRiO89]

very good point.

there is only 2 negatives about the GTi for me.

one being the dash and the other being the more 'boxy' look if you know what i mean??

Yeah i know what you mean dude..:y:

[Curran]

It seems that the money factor is the main issue your looking at buddy. Both
cars will fail to disappoint I assure you :y:


i suppose it is.... as in i want to get the best car i can for my money


just having a hard time deciding which i would prefer.

[mrtuck16v]

Buy something turbo....much more fun imo

[garysvts]

vts wins for me anyway 106 feels to small inside could go on and on

[Curran]

Trust me the dash grows on you after a while. Its just plain and simple. And tbh
the boxy look of the GTi is its appeal. The curves like the arches really set the
boxy look off. Trust me ;)


by boxy look i really meant the rear end.

i love the front once its been de-badged, the sides are good also

[Japman]

GTI i would

[Curran]

GTI i would


i would also but its proving hard to find a good one with less than 60k miles and in a good colour.

i dont really want black or silver as i have already had black and silver saxo's

[djrem]

106owners at FCS were all silver.

really wanted to see some yellow gtis

[SaxoJamie]

I would go for the GTi as you have said you have had saxo's but the saxo dash is a lot nicer imo but the 106 is more macho looking from the outside. They are the same car underneath:p

[rushy_23]

End of the day there are both good and bad points. Disagree with it felling
smaller inside lol, its the same as a VTS!

If its money mate then just go for the VTS, end of the day more bang for your
buck. If you like the total look of the 106, go for it. If you dont like its a*se
then maybe that means its not for you lol?

Do a pros and cons list buddy.

[L20VTS]

Have just got a vts, did think about a gti but they were alot more expensive and most seem to have really high milage, theres hardly any vts's round here and 2-3 gtis.

Just got a gti interior for the vts as well, definately pleased with her :)

[Scattle]

VTS, prefer the look of saxos.

[Curran]

Do a pros and cons list buddy.


i'm going to do that.

it will probably come down to whats available at the time tbh.

its hard to find a good GTi or VTS these days

[Leo-Tam]

well, tried both. didnt even hessitate for the GTi. Felt quicker and just all around better to me, the leathers v nice as well. Plus they hold value but saxos dont. also the gti much rarer then vts (that i noticed anyway) - gti all day for me

[Curran]

another major plus for the GTi is the colours its available in. some much nicer colours than the saxo's.

for the saxo its only really wicked red or posi blue (as i dont want silver or black)

but for the gti there is the similar red, yellow, at least 2 nice shades of blue etc

but finding them in a colour you want is almost impossible!

[gartrell]

i think the only reason i would pick a gti over an S is the leather.. thats all that sets them apart for me.

both as good looking, mk1&2 saxo !

[Paul]

Right, whats the price difference between a decent GTI and a decent VTS? (rhetorical question)

Think about it, save a bit of money and buy the VTS, then use the money you have saved and buy some GTI leather, and some other subtle mods.

My expert advice tbh ftw :p

[dannygti]

imgoing to agree with everything rushy says;)
for obvious reasons:p

[bytor]

just buy whichever one you find mint first.

[doely_gti]

Trust me the dash grows on you after a while. Its just plain and simple. And tbh
the boxy look of the GTi is its appeal. The curves like the arches really set the
boxy look off. Trust me ;)

totally agree, the rear end is a nice change.

very good point.

there is only 2 negatives about the GTi for me.

one being the dash and the other being the more 'boxy' look if you know what i mean??

wait till after xmas when i fit my vts dash into my GTi, best of both worlds then and its something a bit more "different"

[Hewitt]

get a vts then chuck gti interior in

[Curran]

just buy whichever one you find mint first.

i'm just going to keep looking for both and as you say, get which ever i find first.

[rushy_23]

imgoing to agree with everything rushy says;)
for obvious reasons:p

Whatever you do, just dont smooth out the badge on the bonnet :p
Sorry Danny mate couldnt help it!

[Mike_08]

GTi!!! just cus i think they look nicer:P

[stiffler69]

I cant get this whole idea of the 106 gti been more desireable and will hold its value better than a vts.

Its like saying ive got two piece's of chocolate cake exactly the same cooked the same but 1 has red sprinkles and the other has white

106 owners can scream and shout as much as they want that the 106 is better more deisreable, but the fact of the matter is its the same car with different sprinkles

I would never pay more for one cause the simple fact of the matter is your getting not a button extra for the extra 1k-2k

Thats my 50p's worth oh and i would get a vts pretty soon there wont be many left the way they are getting written off and may end up the more desireable

[rushy_23]

I never said its more desirable, if you look back I think you will find mostly Saxo
owners said that!

There actually quite a few subtle difference between the 2. Not to warrant 1k
extra in price perhaps. But enough to buff the price up mate.

You get a glovebox
24mm ARB
Leather/Alcantara
Less tacky plastic on the exterior
bee sting aerial
extra interior light
front airbag switch (that could also be in the VTS not sure)

Its not a lot but they are extras.

Mate we havent decided why it holds the value, its just demand and beliefs.
"Typical GTi owners" feel they can get more than the car is worth when they
sell for example. But if they all do this, then its harder to get your hands on one
and eventually people wanting them give in.

And tbh the VTS can easily be mistaken for a VTR. Its true! But what can you
mistake a 106 GTi for? A Quiksilver? No. A Rallye? No (<< but thats a special one
anyways so doesnt matter!), S1 series? No

So a GTi always looks like a GTi.

Even in reviews its said that the GTi has the edge over the VTS handling wise.
Nobody will ever know why. But its true. (remember that video of the test between
the ZS, VTS and the Polo 16v... Then at the end the GTi rolls in..)

IMO with my knowledge now I would rather have a GTi (if I didnt already have
one, just to be that bit more exclusive) My 50p over :y:


Two different markets for two different cars.

[stiffler69]

I never said its more desirable, if you look back I think you will find mostly Saxo
owners said that!

There actually quite a few subtle difference between the 2. Not to warrant 1k
extra in price perhaps. But enough to buff the price up mate.

You get a glovebox
24mm ARB
Leather/Alcantara
Less tacky plastic on the exterior
bee sting aerial
extra interior light
front airbag switch (that could also be in the VTS not sure)

Its not a lot but they are extras.

Mate we havent decided why it holds the value, its just demand and beliefs.
"Typical GTi owners" feel they can get more than the car is worth when they
sell for example. But if they all do this, then its harder to get your hands on one
and eventually people wanting them give in.

And tbh the VTS can easily be mistaken for a VTR. Its true! But what can you
mistake a 106 GTi for? A Quiksilver? No. A Rallye? No (<< but thats a special one
anyways so doesnt matter!), S1 series? No

So a GTi always looks like a GTi.

Even in reviews its said that the GTi has the edge over the VTS handling wise.
Nobody will ever know why. But its true. (remember that video of the test between
the ZS, VTS and the Polo 16v... Then at the end the GTi rolls in..)

IMO with my knowledge now I would rather have a GTi (if I didnt already have
one, just to be that bit more exclusive) My 50p over :y:


Two different markets for two different cars.

Not talking about yourself personally mate im meant the general vibe of 106 owners sorry i should of made it clearer. :y:

I personally like the 106 but because there isnt any real difference between the two i would not pay the extra money

[doely_gti]

Whatever you do, just dont smooth out the badge on the bonnet

please say your not joking and there is someone else in the world who thinks debadging the bonnet is just :homme:

imo i think it looks like your grill has fallen out with it done, the front just doesn't look finished

[vipergfx]

own preference to be honest.. i see more vts' than gti's thats for sure. i preferred the vts... so got one :)

[bytor]

the reason the GIT cost more is because there is less of them. Citroen sold the VTS for less than the GTI and with a years free insurance i think. So in the end a lot less GTI's were sold.

[shooorn94]

I never said its more desirable, if you look back I think you will find mostly Saxo
owners said that!

There actually quite a few subtle difference between the 2. Not to warrant 1k
extra in price perhaps. But enough to buff the price up mate.

You get a glovebox
24mm ARB
Leather/Alcantara
Less tacky plastic on the exterior
bee sting aerial
extra interior light
front airbag switch (that could also be in the VTS not sure)

Its not a lot but they are extras.

Mate we havent decided why it holds the value, its just demand and beliefs.
"Typical GTi owners" feel they can get more than the car is worth when they
sell for example. But if they all do this, then its harder to get your hands on one
and eventually people wanting them give in.

And tbh the VTS can easily be mistaken for a VTR. Its true! But what can you
mistake a 106 GTi for? A Quiksilver? No. A Rallye? No (<< but thats a special one
anyways so doesnt matter!), S1 series? No

So a GTi always looks like a GTi.

.

whats a gti rushy?


Just kidding mate :P

I never see GTI's where I am, but then never see a VTS- VTR's yes common as anything round here with young mums-don't ask why.

I had the choice of a 106 and a saxo for my first car, the pedals-believe it or not were a bit closer together in the 106 (may be different for the gti) and the saxo felt like there was a lot more room overall. No gti has managed to stand up to the 205, the 106 was the closest attempt by Peugeot then the 206 failed (no offence) and even the 306 didnt quite make it to the standard of the 205.

I would save my money if i was you, buy the vts and spend the extra money you could save on modifying-how about a custom paint job? Now wouldn't that be swish :y:

[doely_gti]

no mate, the gti's pedals are also RIDICULOUSLY close together!

[lenham]

get a vts, both are nice but i would always go for the vts, u could get a lowish miles mk 1 and have money left for mods for the price of an average GTI and like everyone else said , if you want gti interior just put one in the sax.

[The_STIG]

vts purely on looks, get the interior retrimmed how u want it with the extra cash u save from not buying a gti :y:

[Karl]

VTS ~ much cheaper to buy.

[David]

Haven't really read the thread, but isn't the gti a tad cheaper on insurance too...?

[Dan]

i said more available not relaiable, but never mind.

Ooops my bad lol

They both have there positive and negative sides.

It is a tough call but you can get some cheap Gti's if you look about.

[stiffler69]

whats a gti rushy?


Just kidding mate :P

I never see GTI's where I am, but then never see a VTS- VTR's yes common as anything round here with young mums-don't ask why.

I had the choice of a 106 and a saxo for my first car, the pedals-believe it or not were a bit closer together in the 106 (may be different for the gti) and the saxo felt like there was a lot more room overall. No gti has managed to stand up to the 205, the 106 was the closest attempt by Peugeot then the 206 failed (no offence) and even the 306 didnt quite make it to the standard of the 205.

I would save my money if i was you, buy the vts and spend the extra money you could save on modifying-how about a custom paint job? Now wouldn't that be swish :y:

The 206 in terms of build quality is the best out of every single one of them.

I think you are getting confused with why the 206 didnt come up trumps you see the 106/205/Vts were aimed at a cheap market what was going to supply cheap fun so they coupled a capable engine with a good chassis and came up with what we know as a very well handling car what can hold its own cause of the 16 valve engine and light weight, yes around a track it done well and performed great, but on the roads it just doesnt quite cut it in terms of safety comfortable driving and reliability.

So in terms of a track car yes they done well but as a road car no they never

The 206 gti on the over hand is a enjoyable comfortable ride with a interior nice enough to look at without thinking its boring and plastic looking, has the power and toque when needed and makes for a far better road abable car, with a much safer shell

So yes in terms of a track car it may not handle aswell, and may not use the 137bhp very well but they are a far better car for the purpose it was actually built for :y:

[shooorn94]

The 206 in terms of build quality is the best out of every single one of them.

I think you are getting confused with why the 206 didnt come up trumps you see the 106/205/Vts were aimed at a cheap market what was going to supply cheap fun so they coupled a capable engine with a good chassis and came up with what we know as a very well handling car what can hold its own cause of the 16 valve engine and light weight, yes around a track it done well and performed great, but on the roads it just doesnt quite cut it in terms of safety comfortable driving and reliability.

So in terms of a track car yes they done well but as a road car no they never

The 206 gti on the over hand is a enjoyable comfortable ride with a interior nice enough to look at without thinking its boring and plastic looking, has the power and toque when needed and makes for a far better road abable car, with a much safer shell

So yes in terms of a track car it may not handle aswell, and may not use the 137bhp very well but they are a far better car for the purpose it was actually built for :y:

didnt mean to offend :p I was on about for track :y: I intend on purchasing a 206 as my next car much bigger and safer, and nicer engines, the 2.0td sport has serious oomph.

My next car in three years? Hope so :y:

[Karl]

imo it'd be silly ot buy a GTI unless its on the cheap.

For the fact that a VTS is practically the same price for alot less to initially buy.