106 GTI vs VTS

[Stef106GTI]

</font>hey wot are your thoughts on the difference between a 106GTI and a VTS? is there a difference??? </font> smileys/smiley5.gif

[Dan]

how u mean power wise?? i dont know 2 be honest i dont think theres much in it but i would have thought the 106 was lighter!

[Stef106GTI]

power wise i know they are both 120BHP but some places the 106 GTI is said to do 0-60 in 8.6 some say 7.2 others say 7.7 i supose it should be like the VTS maybe the GTI is slightly lighter does that make that much of a difference? i find it hard to keep traction on the front wheels from 5000 - 7100rpm with the standard 14"wheels does the VTS come with 15s?</font>

[Andyt]

the mk2 vts came with 15's yeah.

[Stef106GTI]

so off the lights what would win? VTS or GTI? has any1 got a GTI raced a VTS or vice verse??</font>

[Dan]

some of the mk1 vts's came with 15's too! how do u lose traction that far up the rev range an in what gear???

edit: i dont know what would win id say the 106 as its lighter but ive never raced one since ive had the vts conversion!!

[Stef106GTI]

when i take 1st up 2 the redline need wider wheels i want some white 16" multispokes on 40 low profiles. that shouldnt penalise the performance 2 much...i hope</font>

[AdamH]

ive always been told the 106 is heavier smileys/happy.gif and vts is lighter.. and vts would beat if off the mark.. not by much but a little.. and slowly edge forward smileys/happy.gif

[DICO_VTS]

the 106 gti has a different box to the vts!!! the 106 isnt geared to hit 60 in second!!! the sax can!! sorry to piss on ur fire!! lol smileys/smiley2.gif

[Stef106GTI]

maybe the VTS is faster but the 106 GTI aint geared to hit 60????????? wot is that about standard 106 GTIs get 65 out of 2nd</font>

[mike_obuk]

swear yours hit 65 in second 2day stef!

[lcsax]

Ive raced a GTI at Crail and i kicked the ass off of it! smileys/smiley17.gif (And i agree we Ian smileys/smiley17.gif )

[DICO_VTS]

maybe behind a scooby with tow rope! smileys/smiley17.gif

[Stef106GTI]

maybe the driver was an old lady they have the same engine so u couldnt have " kicked the ass off it" unless it was fucked every1. who else has raced a 106 GTI</font>

[Stef106GTI]

DICO_VTS u raced a GTI? did u kick the ass off it?</font>

[DICO_VTS]

sure have! The 106 is marked up as a slower 0-62 because of the change to 3 to hit 62!! smileys/smiley2.gif

[Dan]

i didnt know they were heavier as they look smaller!i just assumed the gti ws lighter! i get 70 in 2nd from mine!

but i havnt ever raced a gti!! id like to, to see what would win!!maybe something for fcs's 0-60 track!! smileys/smiley2.gif

[The_one]

I've raced a VTS and a 106 GTI

I know it doesnt help your debate but i've beaten both smileys/smiley17.gif

[Stef106GTI]

where have u lot heard that the 106 needs to change 2 3rd 2 hit 60? mine certainly doesnt i get 35 out of 1st 65 out of 2nd 90 out of 3rd n the rest dnt matter</font>

[The_one]

But mate thats 65 on the speedo

Speedo's overread

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106 GTI 7.4 secs127 mph top speed
SAXO VTS7.6 secs127 mph top speed

106 GTI950KG
SAXO935KG

these figures were out of evo and although the saxo is lighter than the 106 the 106 is faster by 0.2 of a second
my m8 had one and he said it was down to the 14 inch wheels cuz the vts has 15's.... smileys/smiley7.gif

[DICO_VTS]

well a mate has a 106gti with only 15000mils on the clock and he hits about 58-59 and its in the red!!!! he has had the car from new, next time i see him ill tell him its fucked and to take it back!!!

[The_one]

LOL @ DICO smileys/smiley2.gif

[mike_obuk]

i was in stefs car 2day and we hit 61mph on the road angel and 65 on the speedo! lol

[Dan]

lol @ dico! the only way to settle this argument is on the track! we could arrange a vts vs 106 gti event????

[DICO_VTS]

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106 GTI 7.4 secs127 mph top speed
SAXO VTS7.6 secs127 mph top speed

106 GTI950KG
SAXO935KG

these figures were out of evo and although the saxo is lighter than the 106 the 106 is faster by 0.2 of a second
my m8 had one and he said it was down to the 14 inch wheels cuz the vts has 15's.... smileys/smiley7.gif

Shame the early vts came with 14" wheels!

[The_one]

oi just make it 106 vs saxo day

cause then i cna have me some gti smileys/smiley17.gif

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whats the difference power wise between mk1 vts and a mk 2 vts dicosmileys/smiley5.gif

[DICO_VTS]

same 120 bhp but some early face lift models of the vts were produced with 130bhp!

[DICO_VTS]

Renault Sport Clio 172
At £15,495 the Sport Clio is expensive for a small hatchback, but don't be deceived the Clio has handling to rival Beemer's and Porsche's. It does 0-62 in 7.4 seconds which is quite quick but it's the handling that sets this car apart from the rest. Fifteen grand is a lot so you could go for the old version which can be found for nearer ten grand and is just as good.





Peugeot 106 GTI
The 106 GTI is getting old now, the interior is black and scabby, but the handling is exceptional, oversteer and understeer is there to be played with all the time. 0-62 in 8.3 seconds and a price brand new of £11,795. As this is an old car second hand deals are there to be had, you can pick up early models for about six grand.



http://www.ccss.co.uk/StudentWeb/magmisc.html

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so is it faster 0-60 with it having 14's on

[Simo]

FACT: -

When the Saxo and 106 were launched, the respective brochures showed different times for the Saxo and 106.

However, this is more than likely due to the fact that the 106 was booked as 'fully loaded', whereas the Saxo was booked as driver only.

In theory they are both as fast as each other... until you start talking about wind resistance and stuff smileys/smiley23.gif

[DICO_VTS]

1 whole second difference!!!!!! smileys/smiley3.gif

[DICO_VTS]

Fully loaded!? smileys/smiley5.gif
I work with cars every day and correct me if im wrong but fully loaded at bentley means all fluids and petrol!? oh and the driver may help to drive too lol

[Simo]

fully loaded, as with baggage, etc... I have the original brochures somewhere.

[DICO_VTS]

oh smileys/smiley5.gif ill take ur word for it ur the boss!smileys/smiley2.gif

I thought that was fully laden though. smileys/smiley17.gif smileys/smiley9.gif

[Stef106GTI]

so bossman says they are the same so topic closed!!!!</font>

[Dan]

is that a dig at simo? cos if it is i dont think theres much need for it mate!

[Stef106GTI]

course its not a dig at simo dan but as he has made this site so evry1 can use it he obviously knows what hes doing n knows what hes saying. infact i thank him for posting up what he did cos it clears up the whole 106GTI vs Saxo VTS problem</font>

[Dan]

oh ok mate jus sounded like u were aving a go!

ddint mean to jump the gun!

[rushy_23]

Hey guys lol at the discussion, new on here but know enough on saxos, 106, you know the whole french car scene.

Just a quick link to clear things up maybe...

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.htm

[Stef106GTI]

hey its cool you ever been to southend cruise?</font>

[Stef106GTI]

cheers rushy_23 that helps alot i now know not to race my m8s mk2 golf GTI lol what car you drive rushy_23oh and Dan how much BHP is ur car runnin</font>

[Krissy_Bufton]

depends which 106 GTi ur up against tho!

u could either be up against the 120bhp normal GTi

or the 140bhp Limited Edition 106 GTi with the 2 prongs on the cylinder head and the EGR valve.

in which case, 1 of those would win ;)

[Scott]

no such thing as a 140bhp one, it was rumoured that these were infact 130bhp and these also came in the saxo (same engine) BUT there has never been any conclusive proof

And the rumoured ones had the two prongs for the egr valve but no egr valve yet

[Krissy_Bufton]

thats the 1 lol, figure was typo smileys/smiley17.gif

only reason i brought this up was coz i had to sit thru a 5 page debate about prongs just to find out wot 1 was! LOL

hence why i dont know the facts lol

[Dan]

stef i dont know what bhp its running yet i havnt had it tested on a rolling road!

what would do ppl think with the following mods, full s/s system with decat,4-2-1 manifold and pipercross viper. i think roughly 130+bhp???

[Stef106GTI]

well dan a viper should give u about an extra 8bhp thats what pipercros say anyway then a full system another 5-10BHP so yeah ur prob runnin in the 130s</font>

[Dan]

theres a new rolling road opening near me in the next week or so, so i'll be taking it up there when it opens!

i want some other engine mods such as dastek and piper/kent cams also possibly a fuel pressure regulator from gmc!!

what bout u wots yours running??

[Stef106GTI]

at the mo its jus 120bhp havin money problems at the moment only had the car a little while. hopefully soon when the stundent loan comes through il get a couple of mods</font>

[WalzVTR]

lmao! funny reading through this!

what do you think looks nicer tho? Id rather have a VTS over a 106Gti anyday. Just my opinion smileys/smiley2.gif

[Dan]

looks wise i dont think theres much in it to be honest but i would have to say the saxo is nicer!

i have to admit i quite like the look of the 106 gti!!

[Stef106GTI]

thats a good point i dunno me personaly i prefair the back of the VTS-VTR more than the 106 GTI but i like the front of the 106GTI more than the saxo thats jus my opinion i like em both</font>

[WalzVTR]

thats a good point i dunno me personaly i prefair the back of the VTS-VTR more than the 106 GTI but i like the front of the 106GTI more than the saxo thats jus my opinion i like em both</font>

I can see a mad swap on the cards! lol smileys/smiley14.gif

[Stef106GTI]

haha interior i think the 106's nicer than the saxo's tho not a mad swap on the cards at all waltz i never said i disliked the saxo jus wanted to know wot was quicker n after 4 pages of postsl we decided they were the same lol</font>

[Dan]

i agree the 106 has alot nicer seats with them being half leather!!! smileys/smiley2.gif

[mike_obuk]

ive got a vtr, but if i was gonna choose between a vts or a gti id go for the gti - purely down to the leather!

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i know the subject is pretty much closed but i remember watching a motoring programme once like top gear and it picked 20 or so top cars and lap timed all of them. The 106gti was one of these cars and i think it finished in the top ten some where, it was up against porche's and aston martins basically bigger engined cars and more expensive. its still a bit sketchysmileys/smiley5.gif but i remember the guy on the telly was raving about how well the 106gti did against all these other cars and how it held its own considering its a supermini not a supercar.
my point is there was no vts in that list of cars smileys/smiley7.gif

[Andyt]

probaly because he would have just repeated himself. smileys/smiley2.gif

[The_one]

i know the subject is pretty much closed but i remember watching a motoring programme once like top gear and it picked 20 or so top cars and lap timed all of them. The 106gti was one of these cars and i think it finished in the top ten some where, it was up against porche's and aston martins basically bigger engined cars and more expensive. its still a bit sketchysmileys/smiley5.gif but i remember the guy on the telly was raving about how well the 106gti did against all these other cars and how it held its own considering its a supermini not a supercar.
my point is there was no vts in that list of cars smileys/smiley7.gif


YOu've kinda clouded the statements there mate.

THe program was top gear and it was jeremy clarkson........it wasnt no where near as quick around a track as the supercars like you say however............

The statement made by clarkson was that the 106GTI was one of the best handling cars about, up there "with" the supercars.

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i did say it was a bit sketchy smileys/smiley5.gif and
i did'nt say it was as quick as the supercars i said it held its own smileys/smiley2.gif

[docspeed]

How about a VTR vs VTS, Im a proud owner of a maxed VTR and ive come dangerously close to beating the ass off a VTS (which is owned by a mate)!!! I thought it must be the driving!!!!!!! smileys/smiley17.gif

[Stef106GTI]

at the end of the day 106 GTI n a VTS cost about 13k brand new and a super car be 30k upwards so no matter what any1 says pug n citroen have made quality motors for top gear to say its up there with the supercars stuff the supercars its about the hot hatches although if some1 offerd us an M3 or a TVR im sure we wouldnt say no!! lol</font>

[Dan]

im sure i wouldnt! smileys/smiley2.gif

[Stef106GTI]

haha how much u spent on ur car dan?</font>

[The_one]

How about a VTR vs VTS, Im a proud owner of a maxed VTR and ive come dangerously close to beating the ass off a VTS (which is owned by a mate)!!! I thought it must be the driving!!!!!!! smileys/smiley17.gif

With ya all the way mate smileys/smiley16.gif

[Dan]

bout £4000??possibly a bit more!!! wot bout u???

[JustRich]

go pug!!!go pug!!! *does dance*

[rushy_23]

I remember that Top Gear with all those cars, very old now but I remember.
There was a skyline R33, subaru impreza, porshce 911 i think, lancer evo 5/6, golf VR6, mitsibishi galant and some other cars that i cant remember. Oh and of course the 106 GTI.
They were compairing the cars handling thats all, not speed. And i think they picked the top 5 cars, the 106GTI came 2nd but cant remember wot came 1st.
They probably didnt put the saxo VTS in because the 106GTI and saxo VTS are pretty much the same car, same engine, same chasis, both weight near the 900KG mark. Would have been no point having both cars on.

One thing i have definatly noticed is that 106GTI's are a lot more expensive to buy than Saxo VTS's, most probably down to that half leather interior. But they both are quite rare cars to see on the road in my opinion. lol unlike VTR's

[WestyVTR]

Peugeot own approx. 80% of citreon so its not suprising the 106gti & VTS are very very simalar, the gbox is sightly clser on the gi ut thats prity much it!

how bout, GTI Vs VTS, and XSI Vs VTR???? then winners Vs winners???

my mate (andy for those of you at the bristol cruise remember Mr pular man?) had a 106gentry this is a 1.6 8v same as VTR it eats GTI's.... easy! just with a zorst, manifold, ind. kit & 106rally gearbox...

case closed i think tho the engines are the same full stop...

[samholt]

xsi the same as a vtr?????

[SaxoAL]

ermm blacktop I think yes

[Scott]

xsi 1.4 8v from memory, the rally is the same engine as the blacktop vtr except different cam, gearbox and inlet manifold

[SaxoAL]

quickie engine is the same as westie I think.
isnt there an xsi 1.6?

[Scott]

just had a look, it would appear up to around 97 models were the 1.4 and then there was a 1.6 so both rightsmileys/smiley4.gifsmileys/smiley14.gif