Just how fast is the VTS?

[Chico999]

As above

I drive a 1.4 SX just now and want to know if it is a major upgrade!

Could you name a couple of cars that it could keep up with.

Not top speed obviously!

[Marcos]

my 1.1 forte :P

[Kwijibo_VTR]

Well you won't be far off doubling the power of your 1.4 if you go for a VTS....as long as it aint been thrashed!

[jpsaxo]

Do you know how quick a type R is?

If so then mines quicker... That should give you some kind of idea of how quick you can tune them to with relative ease...

[pepper953]

And Double The Insurance Too ,no Doubt

[Steve]

prefered my VTR tbh, VTS got to be a decent driver to drive it at its potential then its fast ;) but cant beat the VTR for being nippy around town, the VTS just doesnt have the fun factor as much as the VTR does, cos you can feel the power lower down the revs. But it does leave a VTR once you get into higher revs.

[vts_broadley]

iv had a 1.1 then had a vtr and now have a bts and yes there is alot of difference. i have beat alot of cars in my vts including tyre r's. very good cars and look great when have suitable mods.

[Chico999]

the VTS just doesnt have the fun factor as much as the VTR does, cos you can feel the power lower down the revs. But it does leave a VTR once you get into higher revs.

So your saying that athe VTR would win off the line?
Find that hard to believe!

Sorta engine does a Type R have?

[dan_87]

prefered my VTR tbh, VTS got to be a decent driver to drive it at its potential then its fast ;) but cant beat the VTR for being nippy around town, the VTS just doesnt have the fun factor as much as the VTR does, cos you can feel the power lower down the revs. But it does leave a VTR once you get into higher revs.

Did you really prefer your vtr, cause thinkin of gettin a vts or doin a conversion on my vtr, but i really like my vtr so can't decide wot to do. Might just play around with mt r see if i can get some extra power from it. Really not sure....

[vts_broadley]

vts alot powerfull that the vtr.the vtr is only 98bhp wer vts is 120 bhp.wiv not much money spent on it u can get upto bout 140 bhp.i have. wud recommend to any1 to get vts after ownign a vtr.feel the difference.

[Steve]

So your saying that athe VTR would win off the line?
Find that hard to believe!

Sorta engine does a Type R have?

in 1st gear if the VTS isnt on the ball yeah, sure a few people will agree with me, joesnow got beat off the line by richies vtr the other day, there isnt much in it waht so ever, top end yeah tahts a different ball game.

Go get a VTS stick a VTR along side it, sure you will be suprised.
People expect a VTS to totally blitz a VTR it just doesnt happen.

[Steve]

Did you really prefer your vtr, cause thinkin of gettin a vts or doin a conversion on my vtr, but i really like my vtr so can't decide wot to do. Might just play around with mt r see if i can get some extra power from it. Really not sure....

yeah deffo, VTR used less fuel, less tax less to insure by a long shot, and was more fun round country lanes etc. VTS is only fun when having a go at faster cars.

Dont get me wrong i love my VTS but found it more fun in the VTR.

[Chico999]

Cool guys thanks for the advice!

Think am gonna go for the vts like.
Found a nice one that i'm buying next month.

[Hopcraft]

yeah deffo, VTR used less fuel, less tax less to insure by a long shot, and was more fun round country lanes etc. VTS is only fun when having a go at faster cars.

Dont get me wrong i love my VTS but found it more fun in the VTR.

glad to hear an honest opinion !

[Karl]

.........are you kidding I have kept my VTS for 16 months, I sold my VTR after 5 it had absolutely no fun factor about it whatsoever.

[stoney_182]

yeah deffo, VTR used less fuel, less tax less to insure by a long shot, and was more fun round country lanes etc. VTS is only fun when having a go at faster cars.

Dont get me wrong i love my VTS but found it more fun in the VTR.

not what you would expect to hear from a vts driver :P

[GroomGTI]

I had a cammed vtr just got an engine conversion to the vts. ;)

[Goldsax]

all tho pick up is not as good in a 1.4...in my SX i got 125....and have yt to beat it in my vtr....lol....onli had 121 in her :(.....not that i go that fast on a public road :P....so a VTS engine imo is just better pic up.....

[Morgan_VTR]

hes not saying the R would win at all, re read the post!

Hes saying its more fun to drive.

Go for a S conversion mate! Then cam and get silly BHP, thats what I intend to do after having my R for a few years :)

[Morgan_VTR]

.........are you kidding I have kept my VTS for 16 months, I sold my VTR after 5 it had absolutely no fun factor about it whatsoever.

Im taking it your quite old, and when you got you R you had had better cars before.
As for me being a wee 17 year old, the VTR is super. I dont "rag"/"tharsh" my car all the time buts its just fun to drive, nippy, excellent around corners and looks sexy as :) (I am aware they all look pretty much the same :P)

point Im making is, get a VTS from a 1.4 imo, if you can afford it. You wont appreciate the upgrade to a VTR as much as a VTS.

:y:

[dannygti]

i disagree with steve vts, i went from a mk1 vtr to a s2 106 gti and the difference was amazing, it revs more, the engine sounds better and the gti has more torque.

[Steve]

glad to hear an honest opinion !

thank you :p

not what you would expect to hear from a vts driver :P

lmao i still beat VTR,s but off the line till you get into high revs the VTR keeps up. You will always pull away from a VTR, of if the VTR gets the run on you off a roundabout your fucked until you hit high end :homme:

hes not saying the R would win at all, re read the post!

Hes saying its more fun to drive.

Go for a S conversion mate! Then cam and get silly BHP, thats what I intend to do after having my R for a few years :)

Yeah thats exactly what i am saying, with the VTS your constantly looking at the fuel gauge :homme:

Depends what you want, if you want a good handling nippy car for corners etc then the VTR, straight line few non tight bends and dont care about fuel get a VTS :afro:

point Im making is, get a VTS from a 1.4 imo, if you can afford it. You wont appreciate the upgrade to a VTR as much as a VTS.
if i was doing a conversion i would put a VTS engine in.

[Steve]

i disagree with steve vts, i went from a mk1 vtr to a s2 106 gti and the difference was amazing, it revs more, the engine sounds better and the gti has more torque.

i never said it had less torque or anything, so your saying a VTR will beat a VTS then??? cos thats teh opposite of what i said :homme: (saying in a joking voice before anyone crys lmao)

I agree you notice the difference, but in country lanes when you cant loose a VTR (am not the worlds greatest driver but am hardly shite) you start to think is teh VTS worth it.

Am pretty sure joesnow can back me up considering he was getting beat by a VTR till he hit 3rd gear the other ngiht :homme:

Just to clear up, VTS will beat a VTR...... Dont know what it is, the VTR was just more fun, for the driving a do. Which is private country road driving, with very tight corners ;)

Really depends what you are after, if your a speed freak then a VTS, low end power for tight corners a VTR i rekon.

[dannygti]

i never said it had less torque or anything, so your saying a VTR will beat a VTS then??? cos thats teh opposite of what i said :homme: (saying in a joking voice before anyone crys lmao)

I agree you notice the difference, but in country lanes when you cant loose a VTR (am not the worlds greatest driver but am hardly shite) you start to think is teh VTS worth it.

Just to clear up, VTS will beat a VTR...... Dont know what it is, the VTR was just more fun, for the driving a do. Which is private country road driving, with very tight corners ;)


sorry i didnt put it very well, i meant my gti is a lot more fun than my old vtr.
i didnt mean i was disagreeing with you saying it was faster.

[Steve]

sorry i didnt put it very well, i meant my gti is a lot more fun than my old vtr.
i didnt mean i was disagreeing with you saying it was faster.

lol :hug:

[dan_87]

Now my heads fucked, can't decide wot to do vts conversion or stick with the vtr and save all the hassle of a conversion, and just play with ma vtr engine??????

[Steve]

Now my heads fucked, can't decide wot to do vts conversion or stick with the vtr and save all the hassle of a conversion, and just play with ma vtr engine??????

i wouldnt do a vtr to a vts conversion yeah a 1.4. i would just sell the VTR and get a VTS.

Have a drive of a VTS see what you think, and way up if the use of fuel is really worth it for the driving you do.

Dont get me wrong the VTS is great fun really good fun when you feel the power kick in, but for nipping around town its not worth it, really isnt.

Saying that i am 19 with a shit job, sure if i was earning a decent wage i wouldnt give a shit about the petrol.

[dan_87]

My mate has a 106 gti which i love but i do alot of drivin to work and back, and am only an apprentice so moneys not that good really. Might just wait till get better money then and just fuck about with the old vtr for a year or so.....

[Karl]

Im taking it your quite old, and when you got you R you had had better cars before.
As for me being a wee 17 year old, the VTR is super. I dont "rag"/"tharsh" my car all the time buts its just fun to drive, nippy, excellent around corners and looks sexy as :) (I am aware they all look pretty much the same :P)

point Im making is, get a VTS from a 1.4 imo, if you can afford it. You wont appreciate the upgrade to a VTR as much as a VTS.

:y:

im 20,
I had a VTR and VTS @ 18.

[dannygti]

im 20,
I had a VTR and VTS @ 18.

lol im the same,20 with a vtr and a gti at the age of 18;)

if your thinking of doing a converstion then ask yourself what you want the car for?then think how much power you want and if you want a lot of power then get the vts engine as the potential is greater.:y:

[Karl]

vts isnt much worse with fuel,
its just tax and insurance.
in my case, im glad I forked out extra for the S,
the VTR just didnt have the grin factor I was after.

[Mr_X]

vts is way more fun, and in a different league in terms of performance. altho im only getting 25 mpg, where as my vtr was more like 35mpg. also if your young the insurance is sky high

[lavo-vts]

a vts beats a vtr in anyway which way you choose to look at it. thats the whole point in citreon makin them

[Mr_suv]

mines doin pretty well i can keep up with a mates vts but he nails me on top end , were having a wee race and i wouldnt say he got past me that quick vtr is alot more practical but the s is more fun im not sure wat they are like to drive tho i imagine they would be fun!

[joshap1]

the s is more fun im not sure wat they are like to drive tho i imagine they would be fun!

they are fun! :y:

[marksvts]

I dont find that my vts is heavy on the petrol at all, unless u nail it in which case it will start to drink it. I can happily cruise around at 30mph in the s and not use much petrol at all. As for how quick they are? I can beat my mates 253bhp Nissan 200sx and my other mates Corsa redtop. All in all I find the vts is quite a car.

[stormin]

The VTS is def the better car all round, but will say i have had no probs beating a VTR at all and especially of the mark not been beat by one yet.
It also goes on the driver of the car, had a go in my mates VTR around about some country lanes and have to say i felt better in my VTS as the power there when needed granted i have spent months tweeking my car to perfection.
Def the VTS for me, more fun and def more power it all in the drivers capabilities , more risks then more fun as long as you dont kill yourself in the process.

[smiith]

i disagree with steve vts, i went from a mk1 vtr to a s2 106 gti and the difference was amazing, it revs more, the engine sounds better and the gti has more torque.

mk1 vtr = 90bhp aswell, instead of the 98, so your gaining 30bhp on your old car, but tbh, iv driven my mates 106 gti, and putting it into the corners, i preferd the VTR, i think it went in and pulled out alot better than the gti.

maybe because the gti/vts will understear if you put your foot down coming out

[craig-d]

i used to drive a 1.4 furio and between that and a vtr i dont think there was much difference but the vts to me is a hell of a lot faster

[rushy_23]

i disagree with steve vts, i went from a mk1 vtr to a s2 106 gti and the difference was amazing, it revs more, the engine sounds better and the gti has more torque.

Like Danny said, I had a VTR and above 4000rpm its a whole difference story.
Sounds silly but in the hands of a reckless driver it could be dangerous.

Strip it, and the story just gets worse. Its no Jap Turbo car, but thats not what its about.
They can be potentially very quick upto 100mph for a small hatch.

[Jagztorious]

haha.. this convo has just turned into VTR vs VTS! ... where's the love people! THEY ARE BOTH CITREON! ONE BIG FAMILY!! :hug:

[jonny13_vtr]

bollocks! anything for an argument lol ;)

[BoJay]

i went from a standard vtr to vts with breathin mods, and the difference was stupid....vts felt like a supercar when i first got it...

[eoey]

no experience driving a vtr tbh but i have breathing mods and i can beat a type r civic

the fun factor is huge and you suprise alot of people tbh

[rushy_23]

i went from a standard vtr to vts with breathin mods, and the difference was stupid....vts felt like a supercar when i first got it...

Ok what were you smoking that day mate!

[Steve]

mines doin pretty well i can keep up with a mates vts but he nails me on top end , were having a wee race and i wouldnt say he got past me that quick vtr is alot more practical but the s is more fun im not sure wat they are like to drive tho i imagine they would be fun!

thats what i was trying to say the VTR is more practical imo

[Andy72]

is anyone old enough to remember when Evo was actually quite good and not just about supercars etc. It was round about the same time as the saxo came out and the VTR and VTS were the new kids on the block.

Evo tested both, around a track on the road etc. The result was that the VTR was the more balanced car. It handled well, you could get lift off oversteer quite easily and didnt need thrashing to get to the power. The VTs was obviously faster, but they just prefered the VTR.

Its the same scenario with the pug 205 gti, the 1600 is the better balanced car, the 1900 is just too front end heavy and doesnt have the same spriteleness about it.

Nothing wrong with either cars, it all depends what you want from it. Im an old fart so VTS insurance isnt really an issue for me anymore, but i went for the VTR for my sprinting etc.

[BoJay]

Ok what were you smoking that day mate!
the only thing that smoked that day was a civic type r

the vtr is a nice little car...but the vts in my experience is a more expensive car to run but is better all round car

[rushy_23]

He must not of been trying hard enough! I keep up with them now but the amount
of weight removed to keep level is a joke. Rather be in a comfy type R that
goes as quick as a GTi or VTS :p Nah there still slightly quicker even if it is stripped!

Fair play too you if you did!

[Karl]

in all honesty there isnt much difference in actual running costs,
its just insurance is the main factor.

The VTR is fun to chuck around in the twisties much like a VTS..
it just doesnt have the oomph to back up the good handling like a VTS has ;)

[Paul_Collins]

Cant compare a VTR with a VTS.

[Andy72]

Cant compare a VTR with a VTS.

why not? more power doesnt always = faster car

[Hanuman]

vts could beat a type r, just like how a vtr could beat a vts

[Hanuman]

exactly what type r are most people on about as there is alot of standard vts or vts with 25+bhp air filters that allow them to beat "type r's"

[craig-d]

At the end of the day it doesnt matter what power you have under your right foot its how you use that power and if your capable of handling it

[thedon2008]

all tho pick up is not as good in a 1.4...in my SX i got 125....and have yt to beat it in my vtr....lol....onli had 121 in her :(.....not that i go that fast on a public road :P....so a VTS engine imo is just better pic up.....


not that im a speeder or anything:P but if uve only had 121 in ur vtr ur obviously not driving it right!!

[saxoaee]

well put it this way i had a l reg corsa 1.5 td which i ran to 202,000 miles then i got my VTR and that was very quick for me but for some reason it beats all the other VTR's so whats with that? my corsa wasnt slow but the VTR just seems such a fast lil car that im happy with that and plus i am 18 so insurance is an issue aswell..but do those the VTS's drink alot more fuel than the VTR?

[Toad]

VTR's average fuel consumption is around 38 mpg. The VTS's average fuel consumption is around 35. So there's not massive difference.

The 16v lump produces more power than the 8v, hence giving the VTS faster acelleration and also a greater top speed. The VTR in no area whatsoever, is as quick as the VTS. End of story.

[VTR-Chris-VTR]

VTR's average fuel consumption is around 38 mpg. The VTS's average fuel consumption is around 35. So there's not massive difference.

The 16v lump produces more power than the 8v, hence giving the VTS faster acelleration and also a greater top speed. The VTR in no area whatsoever, is as quick as the VTS. End of story.

The petrol on the VTS my bro had went stupidly quick, though only when you give it the beans :p

Yeh when i first got into a VTS i was so amazed with how quick they were, it just launches, then after driving a VTS then i get back into my VTR well lol.......do i need to explain, think you no what i mean

Though a VTS is just as quick as a VTR on lower rpm, its just soon as u hit over around 4,500rpm you really see the difference

Though u can feel more bottom end power from the 8v :y: well i reckon anyway

[Toad]

Well yes, 8v typically produce max torque much lower in the rpm range than the 16v. This is even more so for a 16v running higher lift / duration camshafts than stock. If I went racing any car, let a lone VTRs, when driving between 2000 and 5000 rpm, I would lose miserably.

[Jagztorious]

god i love this thread!

[Steve]

it is a good thread tbh, depends how you drive to wether its worth it, as said similar issue with the 205gti the 1.6 was always more favoured than the 1.9.