Sharia law in the UK

[VtsTom]

Religious and secular groups have criticised the Archbishop of Canterbury after he said the adoption of elements of Islamic sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable".

Dr Rowan Williams said there was a place for finding a "constructive accommodation" in areas such as marriage - allowing Muslim women to avoid western divorce proceedings.

But his comments have been criticised by Christian and secular groups, while a spokesman for Prime Minister Gordon Brown insisted British law would be based on British values, and sharia law would be no justification for acting against national law.

Mr Brown's spokesman said: "Our general position is that sharia law cannot be used as a justification for committing breaches of English law, nor should the principles of sharia law be included in a civil court for resolving contractual disputes.

"If there are specific instances like stamp duty, where changes can be made in a way that's consistent with British law and British values, in a way to accommodate the values of fundamental Muslims, that is something the Government would look at."

He added: "There is always going to be a debate about this issue. In general terms, if there are specific instances that can be looked at on a case-by-case basis, that is something we can look at. But the Prime Minister believes British law should apply in this country, based on British values."

Alistair McBay, spokesman for the National Secular Society said: "In a plural society, all citizens are equal under the law and the Archbishop's comments directly undermines this.
"We have segregated schools, segregated scout groups and even segregated toilets for Muslims, and now the Archbishop says we should have different laws, it's madness. On the one hand religious groups say they want to integrate, but actually they want to segregate."

Stephen Green, national director of Christian Voice said: "This is a Christian country with Christian laws. If Muslims want to live under sharia law then they are free to emigrate to a country where sharia law is already in operation. Any accommodation with sharia law does nothing to help social cohesion. Christian law has been eroded by secularism and this country was founded on Christian values."

Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said Dr Williams' comments were "muddled and unhelpful".


What's peoples views on this?

Atheism ftw!

[jay_c]

dont know that that article says because cba to read it! lol but i say christian country christian laws :)

[saxowebby]

this is england were onaboput not bloody india or pakistan etc.

you come to england you live by the english way of life. dont like it well f**k off is all i can say. sorry but im fed up of the the muslims/indians etc trying to own britain


im not racist just a true brit

[pjsaunders06]

english land = english laws tbh

[jay_c]

this is england were onaboput not loody india or pakistan etc.

you come to england you live by the english way of life. dont like it well f**k off is all i can say. sorry but im fed up of the the muslims trying to own britain

im not racist at all but totally agree! :y:

[kristel10589]

this is england were onaboput not loody india or pakistan etc.

you come to england you live by the english way of life. dont like it well f**k off is all i can say. sorry but im fed up of the the muslims trying to own britain

Yep i completely agree.

[girlracer1597]

this is england were onaboput not loody india or pakistan etc.

you come to england you live by the english way of life. dont like it well f**k off is all i can say. sorry but im fed up of the the muslims trying to own britain

agree:y:

[Lee_P]

can someone explain what that sahira law is

[Mieran]

this is england were onaboput not loody india

Indians are not Muslim, educate your self ;)

[pjsaunders06]

can someone explain what that sahira law is

to stone people to death, cut their hands off etc etc

[Lee_P]

but im confused are they saying we should do that?

[saxowebby]

but im confused are they saying we should do that?

yes they want there law to come into power over here

[Lee_P]

what and fuck off our laws

[kristel10589]

but im confused are they saying we should do that?

Basically muslims want to bring their law over here

[VtsTom]

to stone people to death, cut their hands off etc etc

Lol.

Just a quick wiki search, tbh, you really have to go quite deep into religion to get a grasp of it.

Wiki says:

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة transliteration: Šarī`ah) is the body of Islamic religious law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islamic principles of jurisprudence and for Muslims living outside the domain. Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.

There is no strictly static codified set of laws of sharia. Sharia is more of a system of how law ought to serve humanity, a consensus of the unified spirit. Based on the Qur'an (the religious text of Islam), hadith (sayings and doings of Muhammad), (sayings and doings of the early followers of Muhammad), ijma (consensus), qiyas (analogy) and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.

Before the 19th century, legal theory was considered the domain of the traditional legal schools of thought. Most Sunni Muslims follow Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Shafii, while most Shia Muslims follow Twelvers.[1] Islamic law is now the most widely used religious law, and one of the three most common legal systems in the world, alongside civil law and common law.

[smiith]

some may find this racist....

but if they wana live here, they can follow our laws

also, talk our facking language.

if they dont have a trade/qualification, and wernt born in this coutry, chuck em out

i also disagree with giving them money when they are deported.

[pjsaunders06]

what and fuck off our laws

they want them included, tbh i think they should stay well clear. Soon this country is going to flip, if you went to their country and said they should abide your laws they would kill you

[kristel10589]

some may find this racist....

but if they wana live here, they can follow our laws

also, talk our facking language.

if they dont have a trade/qualification, and wernt born in this coutry, chuck em out

i also disagree with giving them money when they are deported.

i disagree with giving them money full stop lol. Just to think a percentage of my wage goes to immigrants :rage:

[pjsaunders06]

Lol.

Just a quick wiki search, tbh, you really have to go quite deep into religion to get a grasp of it.

Wiki says:

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة transliteration: Šarī`ah) is the body of Islamic religious law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islamic principles of jurisprudence and for Muslims living outside the domain. Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.

There is no strictly static codified set of laws of sharia. Sharia is more of a system of how law ought to serve humanity, a consensus of the unified spirit. Based on the Qur'an (the religious text of Islam), hadith (sayings and doings of Muhammad), (sayings and doings of the early followers of Muhammad), ijma (consensus), qiyas (analogy) and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.

Before the 19th century, legal theory was considered the domain of the traditional legal schools of thought. Most Sunni Muslims follow Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki or Shafii, while most Shia Muslims follow Twelvers.[1] Islamic law is now the most widely used religious law, and one of the three most common legal systems in the world, alongside civil law and common law.

what is wrong with our laws then

you are not allowed to kill someone or to steal etc etc, is it really to hard for them to understand

[jay_c]

they want them included, tbh i think they should stay well clear. Soon this country is going to flip, if you went to their country and said they should abide your laws they would kill you
totally agree. half of the fucking country cant speak english nowadays and all illegals get money for themselves and their families when they are deported! or if they are deoprted! this country...LABOUR is a fucking joke!

[pjsaunders06]

i disagree with giving them money full stop lol. Just to think a percentage of my wage goes to immigrants :rage:

tbh all our wages are wasted, not only on immigrants, but the nhs, useless wars etc etc there is so much wrong with this country :n:

[saxowebby]

B.N.P FTW thats who i am voting for next

[kristel10589]

tbh all our wages are wasted, not only on immigrants, but the nhs, useless wars etc etc there is so much wrong with this country :n:

That's why most people emigrate to places where they are wanted i'e Australia

[pjsaunders06]

B.N.P FTW thats who i am voting for next

tbh it is not all immigrants, some come here and work put monies in a pot etc etc. Its just the select few which dont do fook all and threathen to blow us up, i think we should be like australia. But what makes me mad is when i watch crimewatch, you count how many english people are on there and how many foreign. Its a joke :n:

[saxowebby]

australia dont take no shit. no immigrants etc. and the laws are strict. just how britain should be

[jay-vtr]

england - english people - english law - jobs for english people

we seem to be scared to make a stand and deport and stop people coming to this country for the fear of seeming to be racist

[kristel10589]

england - english people - english law - jobs for english people

we seem to be scared to make a stand and deport and stop people coming to this country for the fear of seeming to be racist

if they call standing up for your country racist then i must be

[saxowebby]

90% of indians, pakis polish etc or great people and i get along with them fine. just the small minority who thing they can own britain and slave off the doll do nothing also immigrants does my head in

[saxowebby]

england - english people - english law - jobs for english people

we seem to be scared to make a stand and deport and stop people coming to this country for the fear of seeming to be racist

thats all they use if we say anything it racist, when we told them they couldent have a super mosque in dudley we said no they said it was raacism.

theyre more racist than us.

[kristel10589]

90% of indians, pakis polish etc or great people and i get along with them fine. just the small minority who thing they can own britain and slave off the doll do nothing also immigrants does my head in

Me too. Can't stand it tbh. I can't blame them tho. If i had the opportunity then i'd take it. It's just the government being too soft

[pjsaunders06]

thats all they use if we say anything it racist, when we told them they couldent have a super mosque in dudley we said no they said it was raacism.

theyre more racist than us.

very true, the racism card is used to much

[J-Reid]

people i live near bradford ! feel sorry for me haha, ! I get well mad wen i go into town, its like spot the white man !

[kristel10589]

people i live near bradford ! feel sorry for me haha, ! I get well mad wen i go into town, its like spot the white man !

Most of the country is like it now tbh. Although some parts are worse than others

[pjsaunders06]

people i live near bradford ! feel sorry for me haha, ! I get well mad wen i go into town, its like spot the white man !

now hold on mate dont go to far, like its been said 90% of immigrants are law abiding citizens :y:

[kristel10589]

now hold on mate dont go to far, like its been said 90% of immigrants are law abiding citizens :y:

Which law is that lol

[VtsTom]

Can we try not to turn this into a Racism thread. Its about introducing a law into our country which will directly effect us.

Dont know the ins and outs but alot of Muslims want Sharia law because they believe it will cut down crime and bring upon world peace - aparently

[pjsaunders06]

Which law is that lol

Sharia law lmao

[Lee_P]

maybe if we knew exactly what it ment

[jay-vtr]

They hide behind the racism card, but one day this country will implode... how long do you reckon our country will put up with gun crime, human trafficking, drug dealing, and rape... Im not saying all of this is commited by immigrants but it is somewhat close to 99.9%
People search ages for jobs and the jobs they apply for are stolen by polish people happy to work for £20 a day so they can send it back to poland and buy a 5bedroom detatched house.
This country is on its way towards a civil war, give it 10 years and we will be the minority and the immigrants will have really taken control. In my town we now have about 7 polish shops (with signs in the window [STRICTLY POLISH ONLY]) also we have shops for czechs and restaurants and coffee shops etc.
Half of the immigrants i see are still talking there own language and dont work AT ALL. None of them are of any use to us. even if they do work the money that is meant to build our economy gets sent back to Poland and is fueling a massive boom in their country.

Doesn't make any sense... It's our country and they are fucking it up royally

[VtsTom]

Go buy a Qur'an and prepare for ALOT of B.S

[Lee_P]

this thread will be locked soon

[pjsaunders06]

i am so surpised it made it to page 3 tbh lol

[kristel10589]

Can we try not to turn this into a Racism thread. Its about introducing a law into our country which will directly effect us.

Dont know the ins and outs but alot of Muslims want Sharia law because they believe it will cut down crime and bring upon world peace - aparently

I'm not racist. I don't have a problem with skin colour. I do however have a problem with the immigration law and the way most immigrants think they can behave in our country

[jay-vtr]

They want the law to come into force to help their intigration... which means they want more people here.... there law is shit, sharia law will mean one law for pakis and a totally different law to english.... pshhhhhttttt

[Scott]

Unfortunately there are to many narrow minded uneducated idiots on this site for any sort of intelligent conversation to come from this kind of thread.