vtr to vts

[eggtrade]

Hmm bought a black 03 vtr a week or two ago and thinking of selling it already. Could get a vts for £200/year more insurance. Insurance was the main reason I got vtr as I thought vts would be way too much.

+ it's not that fast really. Nippy enough but I want something rapid.

When you guys stepped up to vts from vtr did you notice a BIG difference?!

Excited now at the prospect of gtin a vts :panic:

[aaronrook20]

http://www.bebo.com/VTS-ROOKIE pics of my old and new car


i had a 1.6 8v 106 was same as a vtr, bought a vts and that thing is rapid big difference mate so glad i bought 1 :y: :y: :y:

insurance costs me 785 ish a year my 3rd yr, 2 yr ncb, 20yr old

[Dez]

Hi bud

im a similar boat to you, but i have decided to do a 16v conversion instead as i cannot find a decent vts with low mileage for a grand or less ( this is what my conversion is costing ) there is def a difference at top end performance as i have seen being in 2x vts's now compared to my VTR.

also 0-60 the vts is slightly quicker then the VTR but as they say " every little helps "

[darkslag72]

get vts dude, manifold decat filter ull have quite a nippy car then

[aaronrook20]

Hi bud

im a similar boat to you, but i have decided to do a 16v conversion instead as i cannot find a decent vts with low mileage for a grand or less ( this is what my conversion is costing ) there is def a difference at top end performance as i have seen being in 2x vts's now compared to my VTR.

also 0-60 the vts is slightly quicker then the VTR but as they say " every little helps "

slighty quicker pft much quicker is more like it really

[saxokid100]

Just get vts matey!! you will luv it....:y:

[d4r3n]

also 0-60 the vts is slightly quicker then the VTR but as they say " every little helps "


what a couple of seconds nearly is only slightly lmao !!!
yeah get a vts or a transplant be much happier mate.

daz.

[Dez]

what a couple of seconds nearly is only slightly lmao !!!
yeah get a vts or a transplant be much happier mate.

daz.

i agree thats why im doing the S conversion:y:

[AlexN]

yea bid difference tbh the vts is much quicker than the R, has put many smiles on my face since.

[Luke]

Massive difference if you ask me.

The VTR is torquey is the low rev range, but hit 3,500rpm in the S and it flys. The car is really quick for the engine thats in it.

[mcchriswood]

eggtrde how old are you though. If young say 17 or 18 and DO decide to pay the extra insurance for a VTS with the money you have from selling your R REMEMBER the insurance will still be the same next year. Maybe slightly different but not all that. I think yes get a VTS but....if young stick with the VTR until you get couple of no claims and then you will be better insurance wise. And if 17 with a VTR you will have a quicker car than alot of people your age anyway.

[eggtrade]

Hey thanks for comments/advice guys.

Im 22 but it's my first car so 0 yrs ncb. Got a quote on my new vtr of £750 fully comp, then thought what the hell I'll see how much it'd b for a vts, thinking it would be ludacrous, but it came out at £900ish fully comp which is sweeeeeet.

It's gonna be hard parting with my vtr though even though i've only had it a week. In love with it already! Would have my vtr over a woman ne day! (but would have a vts over several women!)

It was an uber-bargain when I got it though so stand to make a bit of profit on it.

[furiomike]

Massive difference if you ask me.

The VTR is torquey is the low rev range, but hit 3,500rpm in the S and it flys. The car is really quick for the engine thats in it.

tbh my vtr steps it up at about 4k revs as well.

the vts is undoubtedly quicker, but i think the 7.6 or whatever to 60 is a little optimistic ;) and even if its not, its 1.5s quicker than a later vtr.

im just happy enough knowing im saving hundreds, if not a grand or more in petrol and insurance each year. plus, girls dont know the bloody difference.

[b0t13]

tbh my vtr steps it up at about 4k revs as well.

the vts is undoubtedly quicker, but i think the 7.6 or whatever to 60 is a little optimistic ;) and even if its not, its 1.5s quicker than a later vtr.

im just happy enough knowing im saving hundreds, if not a grand or more in petrol and insurance each year. plus, girls dont know the bloody difference.

lol 7.6 is underestimated imo, im sure there quicker!

and a shit load quicker than vtrs etc..

[furiomike]

lol 7.6 is underestimated imo, im sure there quicker!

and a shit load quicker than vtrs etc..
maybe right yeah. only about 20bhp per tonne and even less torque increase ;)

they do drive differently though so its personal preference, although its obvious which is quicker. only one of em can get 40mpg though :A: lol

[VtsTom]

If you like the shell of your vtr and really dont want to get rid of it, buy a JP4 16v lump, whip the head of, get a nice set of catcam 708s, rebuild the head, change the water and oil pump. Buy a Standalone ecu and fit that to your vtr with a decent gear box (xsi - gti/vts) Then you can add the usual 16v breathing mods with a decent map on the standalone you may be looking at 160bhp...

You will have ALOT of scope for progression with something like KMS or OMEX.

Bonus being that you basicaly have a new engine, you will be changing the head gasket, oil, filters etc along with belts, and pumps. Bottom end is near on bullet proof if treated well so you dont have to worry about that.

[b0t13]

maybe right yeah. only about 20bhp per tonne and even less torque increase ;)

they do drive differently though so its personal preference, although its obvious which is quicker. only one of em can get 40mpg though :A: lol

who wants 40mpg when u own a vts ;),

22bhp actually ;) and it delivers the power alot better plus a better gearbox to put the power down

[Karl]

I wouldnt expect the VTS to be "rapid" as such, will be quite a let down if you buy one thinking it will be this.

[DaxVTR]

Hmm 1st and second gear i didnt think there was a massive diffence when in my mates GTI, but when it hits 3rd gear unlike the VTR it just carry's on pulling nicely

[eggtrade]

If you like the shell of your vtr and really dont want to get rid of it, buy a JP4 16v lump, whip the head of, get a nice set of catcam 708s, rebuild the head, change the water and oil pump. Buy a Standalone ecu and fit that to your vtr with a decent gear box (xsi - gti/vts) Then you can add the usual 16v breathing mods with a decent map on the standalone you may be looking at 160bhp...

You will have ALOT of scope for progression with something like KMS or OMEX.

Bonus being that you basicaly have a new engine, you will be changing the head gasket, oil, filters etc along with belts, and pumps. Bottom end is near on bullet proof if treated well so you dont have to worry about that.

Would do this but from what I can tell you never see the money back that you spend.... in fact it can often devalue a car.

May aswell just sell up and get a vts in good nick :fcuk:

[eggtrade]

I wouldnt expect the VTS to be "rapid" as such, will be quite a let down if you buy one thinking it will be this.

LOL yeh by rapid i mean relativeley rapid, considering i've only ever driven my parents 2.0L vectra, a mazda 3, and my vtr, which are all similarish speeds.

[furiomike]

who wants 40mpg when u own a vts ;),

22bhp actually ;) and it delivers the power alot better plus a better gearbox to put the power down
well ok, but the vtr is about 15kg lighter, which is like a big mac meal or something. are you sure it delivers the power better? the vtr is still very useful below 4k revs and im not so sure if a vts is. other 16v cars ive had have been shite below 4k thats all. i agree the vts gearbox is more agressive when it comes to acceleration though. and i want/need 40mpg! lol

[DaxVTR]

well ok, but the vtr is about 15kg lighter, which is like a big mac meal or something. are you sure it delivers the power better? the vtr is still very useful below 4k revs and im not so sure if a vts is. other 16v cars ive had have been shite below 4k thats all. i agree the vts gearbox is more agressive when it comes to acceleration though. and i want/need 40mpg! lol

pulled against my mates 106 GTI in 2nd gear... hes just a lil bit ahead until like 4k then pulls harder away

[mattknight1984]

I own both, a 2001 VTR and a 2002 VTS.

They arent even in the same league. Yeah, the VTR is a good car and I was happy with it, but wish I'd had the VTS all along.

The figures dont mean much, on 20-odd bhp more etc - but its not all about figures - the S definately pulls a hell of a lot more, through all gears where as the VTR runs out of puff.

Depends what you want it for. VTR gives good economy and is nippy, but its not quick. VTS - not so great on petrol if you drive it hard, but its worth it. And with normal city driving, MPG isnt bad either.

[ryhornvtr]

A vts will rape a vtr in all gears and they have more torque. Anyone that thinks different is either in denial of having the slower car, have never driven a vts or genueinly dont know the difference. Ive had/got both so know the vts is better all round.

[mattknight1984]

Exactly - you'll find on here the people that say there isnt much in it havent driven both to compare, usually furio/VTR owners. I can understand where they are coming from by basing it on figures alone but as I said, its not all about BHP figures...

[furiomike]

im not in denial. i know my vtr is about 2 secs quicker to 60 than my furio and i know a vts would be about 3.5 secs quicker than a furio. its just i like the feel of the way a vtr drives as well as having the other benifits.

[d4r3n]

A vts will rape a vtr in all gears and they have more torque. Anyone that thinks different is either in denial of having the slower car, have never driven a vts or genueinly dont know the difference. Ive had/got both so know the vts is better all round.

thats seams true to me aswell drove plenty or vtrs and i own a vts and the s pulls better in every gear imo, 2 diffrent leagues

[mattknight1984]

im not in denial. i know my vtr is about 2 secs quicker to 60 than my furio and i know a vts would be about 3.5 secs quicker than a furio. its just i like the feel of the way a vtr drives as well as having the other benifits.

Figures again though, and its not just 0-60, what about 0-100 times? Im sure the VTR and furio would take much longer...

[Jazz]

Quite true that the VTS is a lot quicker than the R, and can be compared to modern compact hot-hatches on performance (ST Fiesta for example). Prepare to be impressed. ;)

[carlos45]

just had a 106 Gti engine put in my VTR, a BIG difference if you ask me ;)

[eggtrade]

Wow...started quite a debate here.

Thanks for all your input. Yeh defo decided i'm getting an S and am sure I will notice a big difference...just gotta sell my vtr now. Do you reckon £3100 is a reasonable price for a black 03 vtr with 50k, 6months MOT, no tax, and part service history in generally good nick?