VTS BHP Query

[LewDacris]

Following reading this thread which basicly says it's 120bhp at the flywheel - http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137127 Anyone got evidence it's from the fly?
I had to look into this, gave citroen a call who assured me the BHP is taken at the wheels.

Gave Parkers a email too asking where there BHP figures were taken from - the fly or the wheels. The reply is below:

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Hi - thanks for the email. All BHP figures are quoted at the wheels, as is with all manufacturers.

Regards

Parker's


Saxo VTS Facts & Figures from Parkers link showing 120 BHP ATW - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=17754

Just thought i'd put this forward!!

Anyone got evidence that it's from the fly?

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[pjsaunders06]

well mine is 118 at the wheels and 132 at the fly, i was always told it was fly also the rr place will went to said it was :y:

[LewDacris]

Cool mate, just wanting to know every ones thoughts on this as it seems strange different places are saying different things!!!!
What have you done to your VTS, manifold/exhaust/air filter etc???

Obviously engines lose bhp as they get older (not running as they did when new or not being maintained as they should etc).

So a VTS that should be 120bhp could be below that when taken on the RR.

[Barry123]

manufactured always quote power at the fly.
If its in the spec list its defo at the fly :)

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[pjsaunders06]

Cool mate, just wanting to know every ones thoughts on this as it seems strange different places are saying different things!!!!
What have you done to your VTS, manifold/exhaust/air filter etc???

Obviously engines lose bhp as they get older (not running as they did when new or not being maintained as they should etc).

So a VTS that should be 120bhp could be below that when taken on the RR.

i have ashley exhuast full system, decat and open pipercross induction :y:
it is defo fly mate google it :y:

no car is the same tbh, every engine is different. Some come out the factory more than standard some come less

[LewDacris]

Ye I know no car is the same etc.

Just strange why Citroen would say it's ATW though? May have to call them and question them about it.

I remember my mate taking his standard Civic Jordan on the RR and it was 158bhp ATW, they are 157bhp standard on the spec list!?!?!

[pjsaunders06]

Ye I know no car is the same etc.

Just strange why Citroen would say it's ATW though? May have to call them and question them about it.

I remember my mate taking his standard Civic Jordan on the RR and it was 158bhp ATW, they are 157bhp standard on the spec list!?!?!

well tbh i went to citroen and asked for some xsara brakes to do conversion, i said i need everything

he went you need the discs "ummmm............yes"

you need the cailpers "yes also i need to speak to a mechanic not a monkey please :y:"

they know as much as kwik fit tbh

[LewDacris]

they know as much as kwik fit tbh


LOL, ye I have had similar problems with them too.

I'll have to let parkers.co.uk know that they don't know what they're talking about either.

[stevo67]

Not strictly True about engines losing BHP as they get older some produce more BHP because they loosen up.


Steve.

[andywiddss1]

its 120 at flywheel mate end of story

[khj100]

Hi - thanks for the email. All BHP figures are quoted at the wheels, as is with all manufacturers.

Regards

Parker's

LOL. Just what sort of advice you don't need from supposed experts!

[asap_legend]

its 120 at flywheel mate end of story

yeh its at the flywheel, mine was only something like 105 at the wheels, now its 138 :p

[LewDacris]

its 120 at flywheel mate end of story

It's all fine and well saying that and i'm not saying your wrong but where's the proof?