Spec me a car for 8-10k

[Clouds_mate]

Hello,

As some of you are aware i was going to buy dannys TT 2 month ago. But due to changing jobs that wasnt possible. I'm now back in the situtation of where i can change it now. Ideally it will be in May as thats when my insurance is up.

I have around 8-10k to spend,
I'm 21
I have 2 years NCB

I need some ideas of what to get. For that money i could get a TT or an S3 but its going to be an old one. I kinda want a newish car 06-07.

I was set on something abit classy and stylish like an A4, S3, TT, BMW but to get a car like that its an old model, along with high service costs.

Been thinking of an Fiesta ST as they are in my budget, come with like 5-10k on the clock, all the extras the saxo doesnt have and is a newish car 56 plate.

Ive done some insurance quotes for different cars....

Saxo - £500
Fiesta ST - £600
Golf 25th An - £1100
Golf R32 - £1400
CTR - £1100
Focus RS - £1000
Audi A4 - £900
Audi TT - £1500
Audi S3 - £1350


Give me some ideas and input on buying a newish car etc.

Thanks

[leeroybrown]

Probs get a 54,55, at push a 56 CTR or Leon Cupra R.

[Clouds_mate]

05-06 CTR's go for around 13k Lee

[TU-Tuning]

I wouldnt say the ST was in the same class ass the others mentioned in terms of how classy it is, its just a modern day Saxo VTS its not suave. Its also underpowered and common. Id personally go for an Audi option

[David]

Not sure what the Skoda VRS' go for, but they look quite nice...

[Vinny_VSX]

You might not be interested mate. But I got a brand new C2 VTS with a few bells and whistles for 9k. Yes that is nearly 2.5k off the list price ;)

[Japman]

megan 225,they are comming down
few on pistonheads
within your price range

[CampDavid]

VRs is great, but not got the Leckie look

I shall ponder this during my wander accross the city now

[Clouds_mate]

Dont like the VRS, so thats a no go at all.

Im would be buying an old classy car though thats my only problem. Guy at work drives a T reg Audi A4. he still tells people 'got an A4' - But its a shitbox. I dont want to be that person

[-Jason-]

Older focus rs gorgeous car.

Or ibiza or leon cupra

Or golf r32 they are nice to depends what you want/need it for?

[Japman]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/342623.htm

225 for you

[Clouds_mate]

R32 is out of my budget but i can i actually want to sleep with.

Car is used to go to and from work everyday. I never use it on an evening or weekend. Well i dont my saxo. Maybe thats because i hate it and dont have the bottle to drive it anywhere in case it breaks lol.

Will get a quote on 225 now..

[Karl]

Focus RS...would rock.

[Robb]

Dont get a Fezza.

[leeroybrown]

When buying a 225 it has to be either a trophy (limited edition) cup or a f1(limited edition) the standard ones are absolute shit

[Raz]

ever considered a Leon Cupra?

[Japman]

think this is more you leckie

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/446009.htm

this suits da leckster imo and cheap

[leeroybrown]

10k will only get you a high mileage phs1 focus RS and they are treibble

[Japman]

Woudnt bother iwth focus,they are everywhere around here
get somthing different ;)

225 FTW

[-Jason-]

Thats quite nice

[Clouds_mate]

Insurance would be around 1.2k for the 225

[Chris]

*cough* See my Sig *cough*

[leeroybrown]

Chris

I think your a sales man for Vauxhall secretly am sure of it lol

[Japman]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/421747.htm

this is the cupage

1k over price but worth it

[leeroybrown]

Awesome cars only 500 trophys made.

Brillaint brembos they rip your face off

Excellent handling but retaining good ride quality.

All the toys

And easy remapped to 270 bhp

[Japman]

me and leeroy have made the discsion for you leckman

225 all the way lad

[leeroybrown]

i like big butts and i just dont care.....Meggy has a lardy backside!

[Chris]

Chris

I think your a sales man for Vauxhall secretly am sure of it lol

Whys that?? It's my car I'm selling??

[Karl]

think this is more you leckie

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/446009.htm

this suits da leckster imo and cheap

........wow, how to ruin a 225.

....Leck Clio 197 Cup BRAAAAND new '08 plate, 13k.

[leeroybrown]

I no i no.......your always recommend an astra turbo lol

[Mieran]

Mazda RX8 :cool:

[Amiee]

Have you thought about Audi A3? there nice cars (not sure how much they are going for atm though, but not as big as the A4)

[matthewslee]

i may be able to help you find a dicent priced skoda or vw
as are lass sells both pm me when you know what ya going for and i will get some prices together :y:
this is where she works
http://www.hayselden-cars.co.uk/ ;)

[Japman]

seat ibiza FR disel power,they go well

[Karl]

True that Japman, I like the diesel Seat range.

[leeroybrown]

Yeah but come one

Driving a diesel is like being a homosexual...more acceptable these days but still wrong

[Clouds_mate]

I do like clio 172 and 182 but they are like 1.3k to insure for me, i have no idea why so much.

[leeroybrown]

get the ulitmate clio a trophy... honestly you will not be disappointed

[Clouds_mate]

does my fucking head in thinking about new cars. So many to choose from. I duno how tupps can change them so much. Its too stressful lol.

[Japman]

tupps in strange

serious

In all honest id ither get a clio truphy thing or 225 cup

[Clouds_mate]

Insurance is like 1.3k tho. I always pay my insurance in 1 go.

Mmmmm

[leeroybrown]

worth it all day every day for that car

Best front wheel driving hot hatch

[Danr]

Seat Ibiza fr tdi? Cupra looks etc. and lovely cars. Will get good performance and good MPG. Insurance should be decent and they do look quite funky.

You may be able to get a mk5 golf gt tdi as well. A guy at work has one and it's pretty nice.

Would you consider a celica?

[saxodan]

get a shit box and use the cash to invest in a house

[Karl]

Can pick up a tidy 172 Leck all day long for less than 5k......
I paid 5,3k in the end for a 30,000 mile 172 Cup. :)

Keep your eye out, keep seeing cheap 182 Cups floating about.

[Clouds_mate]

Can pick up a tidy 172 Leck all day long for less than 5k......
I paid 5,3k in the end for a 30,000 mile 172 Cup. :)

Keep your eye out, keep seeing cheap 182 Cups floating about.

The price difference on the insurance for the 172 and 182 is £2. Seriously lol.

I do like them and becasue they are so much in my budget by like 4k i can get the insurance too.

Could be a time to go test drive a few.

[Hanuman]

stay away from the megane, its awfull if it wasnt fast it WOULDNT be acceptable, if it was a 1.4 with the bodykit of the sport would you still think it looks good? if so your a hmo, the interior is terrible look at all that cheap looking grey plastic its like an old ford ka.

much rather get a leon cupra r surely the last of the other model were 05?

dont get an older audi as itl be 7year old by the time you get it then by the time your paying off your loan (if you get one) itl be even older

[Japman]

megane is fast,ive been in one

[Karl]

Leck ~ my insurance was dearer for a 172 cup as its the most "dangerous" out of the lot of them.
most bhp per tonne, no abs, no traction control.
worked out about 80 quid more than a standard 182 (did declare my exhaustage though.)

[Clouds_mate]

Im looking at clios and they seem to be like 5-6k for a 182. is that right or am i looking at write offs?

[Karl]

182's normally go for 6,5k+ if you look at good condition FSH with decent mileage for their age.

[Karl]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/450585.htm
if thats not a Cat D / C, thats a fecking bargain!

Edit: Also filthy cheap http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/449839.htm

[leeroybrown]

6.5k is normally for a higher mileage one... can get a cup for 7k but if you want all the toys then it will 7.5kish for a decent coloured 182

[leeroybrown]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/449839.htm

[Clouds_mate]

Yeh looked at both of them. Cant believe how cheap they are. I was really impressed when Lee took me out in his/Cals 182.

[Japman]

that is mint imo

seems to cheap though

[leeroybrown]

just shows what a few decent mods can do... changes the car massively... i miss mine so much am going back to one

[Hanuman]

2005 55 Reg SAAB 9-3 1.9TiD Vector
search them 6-8k for FULL Leather interior and the higher class ones look sporty and classy i rekon ? good mpg and reliability? just an outsider as you said you wanted class not outright speed like hte 172 or megane?

[Karl]

I have no idea,
im sure induction kits make no difference to whatever car really.
and my car came with an exhaust.
my 172 Cup feels smoother through the revs than the 182 i drove which was completely standard,

You know the kick at 2,5 and 5 (VVT or whatever it is)
this apparently gets smoothed out if you have an exhaust,filter?

172/182 are quite classy little cars,
Mine doesnt look as awful as my stripped out Saxo in the carpark next to Beemers and Audis :P

[Clouds_mate]

well insurance is up in May. I might work flat out at work doing over time till June 19th. Thats the day my overtime forms go in and the day i go on holiday. So will be relaxing after working 2 full months with long days. Go on holiday and come back and buy the car.

Or just buy it next month.

Might go down to the garage today or Thursday and try get a test drive sorted.


Which you recken? 172 or 182?

[Karl]

I think if you want the full toys and leather etc (more class, more you.) Id look for a cheap FF 182 with both cup packs.

......if you want to save some money, lack a little comfort but still go just as quick ;) ;)
172 Cup.

[Japman]

182 if your going to get one

[Cal]

Join the Clio club Leckeh, all the cool kids are doing it. Apart from Lee he's just a pretender

172 Cup ftw mate and get a really decent system and filter, coilovers etc with the spare £$£$£. You'll be happy with it I promise.

Soullie makes a good point about the luxury too; 182 FF with Cup packs in Liquid yellow would be just about perfect.

[leeroybrown]

I have no idea,
im sure induction kits make no difference to whatever car really.
and my car came with an exhaust.
my 172 Cup feels smoother through the revs than the 182 i drove which was completely standard,

You know the kick at 2,5 and 5 (VVT or whatever it is)
this apparently gets smoothed out if you have an exhaust,filter?

172/182 are quite classy little cars,
Mine doesnt look as awful as my stripped out Saxo in the carpark next to Beemers and Audis

I totally disagree..... induction kit made mine wild.. honestly so much different.

VVT kicks in at 1.5 techincally and when it gets to 5k it went mental and Callum will confirm that

182 all the way

[Tupps]

182 Cup for the win

[Karl]

yeah my 5k VVT kick is certainly still there, floored it in 2nd the other day, slightly damp,
nothing...nothing.....*5k*spin of zee wheels.....

[Cal]

The kick is still very much alive... Didn't drive it standard so wouldn't know.

[Robb]

do they only do them cups in 'wacky' colours, or can you get black ones?

[Karl]

182 Cup for the win

Alot of people on ClioSport debate the 182 cup as a waste of time...
only 20kg lighter than a regular 182.

What you want is a poor mans 172 Cup ;) 80kg saved.


172 Cups are blue or silver Robb,
182 Cups are racing blue or orange.

You can get a black 182 Full fat (ie leather etc) but with cup packs (sus, spoiler, splitter, anthracite wheels)

[Japman]

Burnt oranage colour

[Clouds_mate]

I would want all the toys so which one?

[Karl]

182 Full Fat with both cup packs.

[Cal]

In liquid yellow...

[Karl]

........Also rare as fuck, only something like 9 left isnt there!?

[Karl]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/388698.htm
That is what you'd need to impress Robb.

Black 182 FF with both cup packs. ;)

[Tupps]

Full Fat is the one you want mate, I've only ever been in a cup (Lee's) and that was a lovely car

[Clouds_mate]

182 FF with both packs.

How much?

[Cal]

Really??? There's one round my way. Its gorgeous on a sunny day

[Clouds_mate]

hate the 182 wheels. really do

[Karl]

182 FF with both packs.

How much?

Looking at around 7,5k upwards for what would be a minter...I should imagine.

Where as if you went for a slightly older (51 - 03 plate) 172 FF, youd be looking at a decent one for 5k.
Alot of money for what potentially is the same car minus a better mani / backbox.

I hate the 182 wheels also,
Cals seen the light and bought some turini's

[leeroybrown]

Can get racing blue in a FF cup to

What you want to look for his a FF with both cup packs and recaros only 75 mabe less had these in as optional extras

[Cal]

Budget for some trophy turini's like me then boyo. Got mine for £350 second hand although they are quite hard to come by

[Karl]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=313493
thats a beauty.

[Clouds_mate]

Budget for some trophy turini's like me then boyo. Got mine for £350 second hand although they are quite hard to come by

Yeh i kno, i saw you mention before about how hard to come by.

Unless Craig wants to sell me his? Cheers mate.

[Karl]

Mine wont fit ;)
different offset boss.
172 Cup has a wider wheelbase. ;)

...so yeah, yours for 700?

[Cal]

If it is a 182 you get you will have to get Trophy wheels as the offset and width are different to the 172 Cup ones. Also if you want the Renault centre cap like me you cannot just buy aftermarket Speedline ones as the centre cap fitment is different. So its basically Trophy wheels or nothing mate

[Karl]

Buy a 172 Cup.
Will go just as well as Cals.
Has the wheels you want.
and WILL save you dollar?!

Edit: Cal, show us a pic of yours with the CF splitter.

[Clouds_mate]

Shit head.

How do i go about a test drive? just turn up and say i want a go or what? lol

[Clouds_mate]

also what type of fuel returns are you getting? How big is the tank and what you get from full tank?

[Cal]

Cant mate data cable is broke ftl

[Karl]

Haveto use 97 RON or above.
VPower ftw.

On a motorway @ 70mph, i return 42mpg.
My Weekly average (bearing in mind, im stuck in traffic on way to work alot. and the times I take it out I hammer it...) 32mpg.

Its better than my VTS on fuel, tax will be cheaper in the future too ( than a VTS )
Can stick about 46 quids worth of VPower in at 1.15 a litre.

[Clouds_mate]

So its about a 45lt tank? how many miles to a tank?

[AdamW]

Use the 8-10k for a deposit on a house or flat.......get on that ladder.

Work hard and ask work for company car.....

[Karl]

Pffffffft, stop asking Crazy questions.
I put 20 quid in a time and get about 130 - 150 miles back.

[Clouds_mate]

So about £40 to 300 miles.

Same as my saxo.

[Karl]

Probably, I was amazed it was better on fuel than my Saxo. :)
Goes a wee bit better too ;)

[Clouds_mate]

How much you pay for yours craig?

[rushy_23]

Dont know if you have decided on a car yet matey but for that price range
and your needs Id really really look into a EP3 Type R.

Yea yea theres all these threads about "my cammed VTS thats stripped to
the barest minimum which isnt a nice daily driver will keep up with a standard
Civic Type R thats better built and has rear seats and comfy interior blah blah"

But tbh what would a cammed type R be like? Yea will sh1t all over a VTS.

There great cars which you know, strong engine, not too shabby interior, very
good suspension, tidy exterior. And very rapid (VTEC exists and you all know it lol)


YOu cant really beat a jap car, Germans are too fat!


Dont know if you have ruled out a Type R mate but really would consider it. Its more
grown up than Clio, saxos and that too. Yes there common, but so is an E46 M3. But
they are still fantastic cars right.

Rant over..

[Karl]

CTR are nice cars, Rush, agreed. but they arent the be all and end all because they have VTEC.
My Clio is quicker in all honesty :)
Craig paid £5,300 for a 30,000 mile Cambelt done (£900 at local renault stealers :O)
Clio 172 Cup on a 52 plate with 8 month tax and 9 month MOT.

[Cal]

Cant take anything away from Honda quality, but both Cup's are quicker standard...

[leeroybrown]

Mine wont fit
different offset boss.
172 Cup has a wider wheelbase.

...so yeah, yours for 700?
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172 wheels do fit a 182.... it when you lower the 182 it catches the arch

full tank at a push i got 350 miles

AT the 182 is much faster around the top gear track then most hot hatches.. doubt that will have any involvement in the decision making lol

[Karl]

CampDavid, say something to inspire Leckie to buy a Clio. :P

[Graeme]

ST you know know it makes sence

half the cost to insure than the 197, faster than your saxo, comfy as fook and you can get one with 3k on the clock within your price range

[rushy_23]

CTR are nice cars, Rush, agreed. but they arent the be all and end all because they have VTEC.
My Clio is quicker in all honesty :)
Craig paid £5,300 for a 30,000 mile Cambelt done (£900 at local renault stealers :O)
Clio 172 Cup on a 52 plate with 8 month tax and 9 month MOT.

Cant fault a 2.0 16V Clio. Never been in one but I know there quick.

I didnt actually say the EP3 was faster, me personally I feel its the better all round
car especially on the image factor.

Id personally love a Trophy (really really badly). Could of had one if I didnt get
the damn GTi. BUT, end of the day its still a young lads hot hatch.

Type R seem and looks more grown up, practical, but still quick on todays roads.

[Tupps]

So about £40 to 300 miles.

Same as my saxo.

I very much doubt you'll get that

[rushy_23]

Ford Build quality sucks bit time! Im sorry but its the biggest let down to some of there cars.
Fiesta ZS MK5. Great all rounder with the most unless interior and plastics ever..

[Cal]

Fiesta ST would be gutless imo

[Karl]

Type R seem and looks more grown up, practical, but still quick on todays roads.

Im agreeing, the CTR is a better car.
Here theres just as much / if not more young boys decking it about in CTR's than Clio Sports.

Fiesta ST's are nice motors, id have a white one with blue stripes.
But kick myself everytime that clio pisses on my bonfire.

[rushy_23]

Your probably right matey. But tbh Id feel more comfortable pulling up to work in a shirt and
tie in a EP3 over a Clio.

This goes back to why I feel like a cock in the 106. Rather get the train

0 to Work in business class!

[Hanuman]

[QUOTE=rushy_23;2030449]Dont know if you have decided on a car yet matey but for that price range
and your needs Id really really look into a EP3 Type R.

Yea yea theres all these threads about "my cammed VTS thats stripped to
the barest minimum which isnt a nice daily driver will keep up with a standard
Civic Type R thats better built and has rear seats and comfy interior blah blah"

But tbh what would a cammed type R be like? Yea will sh1t all over a VTS.

There great cars which you know, strong engine, not too shabby interior, very
good suspension, tidy exterior. And very rapid (VTEC exists and you all know it lol)


YOu cant really beat a jap car, Germans are too fat!

so the new civic is a small slim car ? lol

[Graeme]

Fiesta ST would be gutless imo

why would it?

rushy you cant comment on build qualty as you drive a 106 that would crumble like a can on impact :P

[Karl]

haha, totally agree with the above,
thats one of the reasons I had to sell zee Saxo.
Looked a right plank with a Loud as fuck piper exhaust, no rear seats, buckets and harnessses....
"Alright sir."

[Karl]

rushy you cant comment on build qualty as you drive a 106 that would crumble like a can on impact :P

Sure he can,
he knows what it is to want. :D

[Clouds_mate]

Im also a victim of getting out of a saxo in shirt and tie next to some very nice cars. I feel like aboy.

[leeroybrown]

CTR doesnt have the fell of the clio

As gay Tiff says its nimble nimble nimble

makes you smile when you drive it

You dont get that feel in a CTR twat wagon

[sampotter]

Got an interview tomoz and im sure ill be feeling exactly the same
Hopefully they won't see me pull up but what car do they really expect me to be driving at 18

[Clouds_mate]

Got an interview tomoz and im sure ill be feeling exactly the same
Hopefully they won't see me pull up but what car do they really expect me to be driving at 18

When i went for an interview in nov i parked about 5mins away and walked to it as it was a small carpark lol

[saxodan]

Im also a victim of getting out of a saxo in shirt and tie next to some very nice cars. I feel like aboy.

if thats the case you will feel the same in any small hatchback sporty or not, in a couple of years time it will have the same stigma

better of paying a bit more on fuel and having something like the TT or a nice BMW

sometihng more "grown up" and respectible

[sampotter]

When i went for an interview in nov i parked about 5mins away and walked to it as it was a small carpark lol

Good idea, will def be doing that now

[Cal]

How can I say the ST would be gutless?? 148bhp in a car thar weighs gross 1590 kg?? Not 100% certain on that weight but thats what crops up on searches. To put it in perspective a 182 Cup weighs 1070kg and a 172 Cup even less than that with more bhp to start.

I understand about the image thing, but I don't give a toss really as I love driving it too much.

[Nathan]

what about a civic Type R In Grey, look subtle, still very quick.

One on ebay for 7.7k ono 31k fsh ect

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[rushy_23]

why would it?

rushy you cant comment on build qualty as you drive a 106 that would crumble like a can on impact :P

I got a ZS too technically mate, the missus car. Drive it all the time now.
106 interior build quality is miles ahead of the ZS! And the ZS is the newer
shape car.

Seats are stupidly uncomfortable. Plastic trim has fallen off in places. Steering
wheel color rubs off, seat trim is cack, dials look like there from the ELC, carpet
is beginning to rip.

The body panels may be heaver than a 106 if thats what you mean but build
"quality" is nowhere near!

[leeroybrown]

Hence why the newer fiesta have come on leaps and bounds from previous years

[rushy_23]

so the new civic is a small slim car ? lol

Compare it to the new Mk5 Golf and Im sure the Golf is the lard arse..


IMO the Civic was one of the last cars to concern itself in keeping weight nice while having
a rapid engine.

Its only Renault now that concentrate on that with there Cup models.

[leeroybrown]

Its only Renault now that concentrate on that with there Cup models.

Hence why clio is better to drive

Twat wagons CTR thats all they are.....

Dont get me wrong for the price they are good.... i found them boring to drive, have to rag its arse to get it to go anywhere and when cornering hard found it very twitchy

[rushy_23]

Hence why the newer fiesta have come on leaps and bounds from previous years

The newer fiestas may be slightly better but Ive been in an ST and was NOT
impressed by perforance. Seats were loads better but still the plastics are very
cheap and tacky.

If I can honestly say my standard GTi interior was better which was a design
created in the 2000ish era then thats a real shame tbh.

ST may be an okay car to look at, but there is so much better out there for
the money. My personal opinion but Im sure lots of people agree.


People say oh there better than Saxos, but thats cause you owned a shit example
of a Saxo! Saxo isnt the best built car, but its a great drivers car. Not a good
all rounder at all. ST is a better all rounder but plain Jane on big wheels and
striped up like a Zebra.

[leeroybrown]

ha ha nice

no i meant in quality and toys its come along way sence the zetec s

[rushy_23]

Im not saying the EP3 is the be all and end all matey. Im sure the Clios are a better car
performance wise.

But on paper the figures look good (not clio beating) and its a great all rounder.

If you benchmark only performance then thats half the story.

[Cal]

Agree with Rush, I know mine has stripes lol but at least it goes. Id feel a twat behind the wheel of a stripey 150bhp tank

[Graeme]

might just be me but every 106 gti iv been in the dash looks like somthing out of the 50's and i would say there even more plastic than the ST

best advise i can give you leckie is just test drive a few cars so you can see what you like and really want

[Karl]

Fiesta ST are on similar performance figures to a standard VTS.
theyre not slow guys.

[rushy_23]

I know all the ST owners are going to find where I live now and stab me.

But my 106 is the same as a Saxo. And comparing the ST back to back with the 106.
I felt it was far superior (this was when it was pretty much stock interior wise too)

Even the owner of the ST was pretty blown away! Which imo says it all. The 106 isnt
in the same league as some of these cars mentioned previous. So ST imo just got
bitch slapped.

Great modern all rounder, but it should be much more.

[leeroybrown]

i will be honest if you want something new and nippy ST is fine

I can easily say i have had a bit play with a ST back in the day of the vts, and it was aint quicker at all

[rushy_23]

might just be me but every 106 gti iv been in the dash looks like somthing out of the 50's and i would say there even more plastic than the ST

best advise i can give you leckie is just test drive a few cars so you can see what you like and really want

Dash may look shit but its works Mr Graeme.

Its the quality I on about mate, quality and build is better on the Pug. May look
better on the Fiesta but its not any better.

And remember the GTi was released in 96 so that was a design over 10 years ago!


EDIT: not going to rant on about it no more as its off topic! I know what you mean matey but end of the
day the facts are there! Sorry to go on. Still love me?

[Cal]

Would agree again with Rush... had a play with one in my old GTi and would agree.

[rushy_23]

No bullshit, the owner was gob smacked. He said the engine didnt seem half as revy in
his ST. I actually felt bad for him afterwards lol.

[Graeme]

EDIT: not going to rant on about it no more as its off topic! I know what you mean matey but end of the
day the facts are there! Sorry to go on. Still love me?

haha as always :P

Mr graeme LMBO that made me lol

[Hanuman]

people who slate the fiesta st as slow do my nut in,,, they didnt make it fast for the simple reason they wanted it to appeal to more people (the general public) and not limit it only to performance minded people as then they would have to compete against alot of other models. people who say its slow for a 2ltr as anyone drove the golf gtis they aint fast and one has a turbo so thats even MORE dissapointing (98-04 shape?)

its the equivelant of polos and lupo gtis they aint been designed to compete against the older brothers of performance the (newer) golf gtis and r32s..

[Jazz]

Clio Cup is an awesome little car- a good mate in London has one and it's full of character. I almost, almost brought one before I decided on my Honda. However, a question of image arises. Basically, its just a more modern, fancy Saxo VTS, which isn't a bad thing as I used to have a VTS and swear by them. But it's still a bit of a 'boy's' car if you get what I mean. I don't doubt their ability for a second, in fact on tight inner-city routes I'd go as far as to say they might even have an edge on my Accord as they are still so small and nimble. But then an EP3 Civic Type-R has a slightly more grown up image, pretty much identical performance (on fifth gear it did beat the Clio 172 Cup round the track) and better build quality. One of the things that put me off the Clio was that owners kept on complaining of failed coil-packs and electrical problems.

But aside from the inevitable high insurance, for bangs-per-buck the Clios are fabulous. :)

EDIT- and people saying ST's are slow need to take a reality check. Just because its not as nippy as some of your cars doesn't mean that its slow. A small hatch doing 0-60 in 7.9s is perfrctly respectable. Its just that the Clio came out before and is noticably quicker, many people thought Ford should have sold the Fiesta with at least 180+bhp to be in the same ballpark, especially since the older clio set the benchmark.

[rushy_23]

people who slate the fiesta st as slow do my nut in,,, they didnt make it fast for the simple reason they wanted it to appeal to more people (the general public) and not limit it only to performance minded people as then they would have to compete against alot of other models. people who say its slow for a 2ltr as anyone drove the golf gtis they aint fast and one has a turbo so thats even MORE dissapointing (98-04 shape?)

its the equivelant of polos and lupo gtis they aint been designed to compete against the older brothers of performance the (newer) golf gtis and r32s..

Problem is people who buy them go on like there stupidly fast. Well the typical
Hero type people! (not you Grayham!)

Again, I never said they were stupidly quick, but the owner who sat in mine who
though his was amazingly quick was taken back. I new what to expect when I
sat in his car (but tbh still I was like wtf). But he thought he knew what mine
would be like in comparison.

[Cal]

On another note; running cost wise the CTR is group 17 while the Clio is only 16.

Im nearly 24 but couldn't care less about the image as its just great to drive. I actually think the lines of a Clio are smooth and subtle if you compare it to say the new Corsa VXR.

[ashleybvts]

Prefer 172/182, Thats what im getting next once ive sold mine...... hint hint...:P

[rushy_23]

As long as Im not going to work then I agree with this statement:

Im nearly 24 but couldn't care less about the image as its just great to drive


Well until I have another homo bitch fit aka "I wanna sell my car"


Thats a pretty huge HINT HINT you left there mate lol.

[CampDavid]

How about an Elise/VX220?

[Jazz]

On another note; running cost wise the CTR is group 18 while the Clio is only 16.

Im nearly 24 but couldn't care less about the image as its just great to drive. I actually think the lines of a Clio are smooth and subtle if you compare it to say the new Corsa VXR.

Very true about image, good point, and yes the Clio is a fantastic looking car. Depends on what he is after in a car... he said the suit-and tie thing with the saxo was an issue. Would it also be in a Clio? Obviously the Clio has a better image than Saxo, but still something to consider. CTR is group 17 iirc.

[Hanuman]

i dsagree, maybe a YOUNG owner whos gone from a 1.1 saxo or clio would claim its "fast" who wouldnt all lads love to brag about the performance of a car if its faster than a prev

but then again as if people who own vtrs aint renound for claiming there cars super (considering it aint) its just the way it is

[rushy_23]

Ive "heard" that the elise is quite impractical as a daily driver?

Guessing that would be the same as the Vx220? Wouldnt mind either tbh.

Well an exige tbh:

ttp://www.harewoodhill.co.uk/videos/Kevin-Dewane_Exige_wnn.jpg


But price tag is gay. Can you get an elise for between 8 and 10k?

[Cal]

You're right mate. Group 17. Dunno where I got that from :oops:

[craigy_87]

How about an Elise/VX220?

was watching discovery turbo today an the program i was watchin they were fixing up a write off vx220 an it ended up looking amazing, i didnt really like them before but it was gorgeous

[Jazz]

I've heard Elises go wrong every 10 minutes. But then their chassis can shit on many cars costing 10x as much. Daily driver? Never. Track-car? Winner :P

[rushy_23]

i dsagree, maybe a YOUNG owner whos gone from a 1.1 saxo or clio would claim its "fast" who wouldnt all lads love to brag about the performance of a car if its faster than a prev

Nah man you older people are the worst! Cause of there age there chavs in
disguise.

Give a 30 year old a quick car and he feels like he has a 12" dingdong ready
for a gang bang with Lucy Pinder and Michelle Marsh.

Again from experiance of older drivers on the M6 trying to get me to bomb it
in my little Peugeot. Poor thing.

[Hanuman]

guy in my streeet in his 30s had a clio 172, then a clio 172 cup.. then a 182 cup... then got a vx220 which hes sold and iv just noticed hes gone back to a 182 cup

[Graeme]

vx220s are pretty nice but my mates got one and he said as a daily driver its wank as cost him a bomb in fuel

civic type r'sare quite cheap nowadays

[CampDavid]

vx220s are pretty nice but my mates got one and he said as a daily driver its wank as cost him a bomb in fuel

civic type r'sare quite cheap nowadays

Must be driving it flat out everywhere. A VX should do about 40mpg on a run

[Jazz]

You're right mate. Group 17. Dunno where I got that from :oops:

Easy mistake- Problem is that CTR's are very expensive to insure, even for a group 17. Again image might play a part here. When I got quotes, I actually found my Accord to be cheaper than a Clio Cup (by about 100) and also a CTR (by about 250 lol?!). Which is odd since the Accord is both more powerful and quicker than a CTR. :wacko:

[Hanuman]

i think thats because they see most young lads in slower cars (theyv probably owned years ago) and seeing them thinking its the bees knees so they just like to show off and go vrooooom see you later you wish you had this power..

i was on the motorway doing a good speed and a crappy clapped up 106 (chavved up and even had the pointed chav cap on ) wouldnt move over at all and was holding traffic up tailing well behind me as he was slowing down then coulnt keep up, yet he literally weaved in and out of the lanes thinking he was on a rally, soon as he moved over it was by by to him, he seemed to think his car was fast and putn people at danger the way he was weaving in and out

[Hanuman]

tell you what i went in my mates accord type r 02 reg.

it looked really good for a saloon, interior was mint with big buckets and a mahhhhhooooooosive rear spoiler which kinda gets in ur way like when driving... but fk meeeeeee it was 10times quicker 0-60 than i imaged if anything id say its faster 0-60times than top end speed as it didnt have much grunt when he took it for a proper blast and actually had a play with a focus st 06 shape which kinda teared the accord up, not alot but you could really tell the integ didnt have the 3+gear power to get anywhere near it

[Graeme]

Must be driving it flat out everywhere. A VX should do about 40mpg on a run

you would be right lol

[BenHCFC88]

Audi S3 defo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Karl]

uppitysi has a phase 1 Elise and uses it as a daily driver I believe.
.....tad fast too.
Has cams, map, exhaust, filter etc ;)
right nice car.

[Hanuman]

anyone seen the new reg Volvo S40 it looks fkn mint i rekon compared to all the other new shaped cars it looks smooth suble and shhweeeeeeeet

[Karl]

I like the new Volvo's,
look like sharks....

EDIT: Bought a Clio yet Leck?

[Ruddy]

Got to page 4 and couldnt be arsed with reading the rest.

Listen to your E-bro........

GOLF TDI REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMAP 51mpg ftw.

White diesel biofuel £25 a full tank (460 miles + :detective:)

Oh yeah and loads of torque bhp and cool looking car like your e-stalker best friend in the worldsss.

[thadogg]

The ST is a good all rounder, and IMO should be more powerfull.
Ford made it 150BHP to get it in insurance group 13.
Also 1590KG is the gross vehicle weight, an ST's kerb weight is 1137KG.

Ford have also just released power upgrades for the ST's that can be retrofitted, and give it 165 iirc or 185BHP.
A decent exhaust and filter will see 170-175bhp and remap could see 180bhp, as the standard exhaust and filter or very restrictive.

[Jazz]

tell you what i went in my mates accord type r 02 reg.

it looked really good for a saloon, interior was mint with big buckets and a mahhhhhooooooosive rear spoiler which kinda gets in ur way like when driving... but fk meeeeeee it was 10times quicker 0-60 than i imaged if anything id say its faster 0-60times than top end speed as it didnt have much grunt when he took it for a proper blast and actually had a play with a focus st 06 shape which kinda teared the accord up, not alot but you could really tell the integ didnt have the 3+gear power to get anywhere near it

A Focus ST is quicker into three figuers, agreed. Evo magazine timed the Accord 0-60 in 6.1, a ATR owners club member got his standard one to 60 in 5.8 with some crazy 6k launch and slipping the clutch. Top end the 2.5 Duratec Turbo in the Focus is understandably a bit quicker. Not much in it mind...

[Ruddy]

How about an Elise/VX220?

:detective:

Kid talks sense.........

Even if he is gay.

[Ruddy]

On another note; running cost wise the CTR is group 17 while the Clio is only 16.

Im nearly 24 but couldn't care less about the image as its just great to drive. I actually think the lines of a Clio are smooth and subtle if you compare it to say the new Corsa VXR.

Pics of cockar new shoes please mate :)

[Karl]

His datacable is broken Rudanovski.

[leeroybrown]

just look at his photoshop

[Karl]

tbh ~ this thread has one main meaning,
Clio Sports rock.

[Hanuman]

A Focus ST is quicker into three figuers, agreed. Evo magazine timed the Accord 0-60 in 6.1, a ATR owners club member got his standard one to 60 in 5.8 with some crazy 6k launch and slipping the clutch. Top end the 2.5 Duratec Turbo in the Focus is understandably a bit quicker. Not much in it mind...

yea i was just saying though tbh for the size of it i expected it to be slow off the mark but a 50+mph monster but its the oposite i was really dissapointed with its performance when driving 50+mph its so flat unless you drop it a gear when your cruising yet i was veryyyyy impressed with the 0-60

as the saying goes the vtec is a beast when driving it correctly but if your not the lack of torque ie just a normal motorway drive then wanting to plant your foot is pretty poor

[Cal]

They not on yet Rudd, awaiting tyres. I sent you a pic the other day fresh from the powder coaters...

Centre caps and Cup badges should arrive tomorrow, so gotta paint them up sharpish. Should be all sorted by the weekend mate I'll send you a few snaps. Of the car too :homme:

[Karl]

I saw a 182 Cup just like yours the other day Cal (RB with stripes), made me wanna sell up.

[Cal]

I saw a 182 Cup just like yours the other day Cal (RB with stripes), made me wanna sell up.Don't be silly mate yours is sweet as.

[Karl]

One thing that I dont like is that yours has silver(y) headlamps?
where as mine are black.

...Just how I like my men.

[Clouds_mate]

Just had a liquid lunch. Sat near window. 6 fiesta ST's went passed so they are out of the window now.

Going to go down to the dealer near me tonight as they have both a 182 and 172 in.

[Karl]

If theyre anything like my local stealers,
theyll tell you to come back in 2 days for a test McDrive.

[Clouds_mate]

Well i will go back in 2 days then lol

[Chris]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/450362.htm

[leeroybrown]

looks like a barge that chris lol

[Chris]

looks like a barge that chris lol

A luxury, fast, good handling, non barge looking barge!! :y:

[leeroybrown]

coupe just says gay

[Jamie]

Id have CTR over Clio.

Clio is just a faster better built Sax.

Clio is nice if you still want to own a newer saxo :P

[leeroybrown]

if you want a bread van own a ctr lol

[Jamie]

Id love a bread van fresh sarnies every day :P

[Clouds_mate]

Test drive booked for 6.30 on a 182 FF.

[CampDavid]

Trophy is really worh hunting out in my opinion.

Can get a brand new 197 for £12700 if you can stretch a bit

1 series/3 series/Z3 also pimpy enough

[Karl]

Test drive booked for 6.30 on a 182 FF.

does it have the cup packs?

[Clouds_mate]

Yes both.

I will speak to the guy about a 197 tonight see what he says.

[Karl]

the guy at my local renault, was a bellfluff,
said the 182 is so much more pokey than a 172, and a 197 even more pokey than the 182.
I think he just learnt that 197 is more than 182, didnt take weight etc into consideration.

[Clouds_mate]

have no intention of buying from them im only going so i can have a play in the car

[jonezy]

toyota celica gt4 mate.

[Danr]

Didn't you always want a mk4 golf anni?

[Clouds_mate]

Yeh i did, Hard to come by around here. Ive got like a month of test drives till i buy so guna try source one somewhere in Yorkshire

[Danr]

Do it mate, IMO alot cooler than most of the posts in here.

[Mystic]

Honda S2000, nice fast summer car insurance might sting a little though :err:

[Japman]

dont you like big Bms leck


What about a nice chunky 5 serious

[Clouds_mate]

5 serious lol.

I do like my big cars. I have no idea i really dont. A 182 is top of the cards atm.

[Jacko]

A cup? serious?

[Clouds_mate]

182 Full fat with both cup packs

[leeroybrown]

extra special if it has recaros

[Jacko]

not sure what that means.....

[leeroybrown]

recaros = good seats

[Japman]

have to agree with brown there

[Paul_Collins]

Hello,

As some of you are aware i was going to buy dannys TT 2 month ago. But due to changing jobs that wasnt possible. I'm now back in the situtation of where i can change it now. Ideally it will be in May as thats when my insurance is up.

I have around 8-10k to spend,
I'm 21
I have 2 years NCB

I need some ideas of what to get. For that money i could get a TT or an S3 but its going to be an old one. I kinda want a newish car 06-07.

I was set on something abit classy and stylish like an A4, S3, TT, BMW but to get a car like that its an old model, along with high service costs.

Been thinking of an Fiesta ST as they are in my budget, come with like 5-10k on the clock, all the extras the saxo doesnt have and is a newish car 56 plate.

Ive done some insurance quotes for different cars....

Saxo - £500
Fiesta ST - £600
Golf 25th An - £1100
Golf R32 - £1400
CTR - £1100
Focus RS - £1000
Audi A4 - £900
Audi TT - £1500
Audi S3 - £1350


Give me some ideas and input on buying a newish car etc.

Thanks

Havnt read all the thread, but it has to be a S2000 tbh

[Cal]

S2000 is great. But this is something he has to live with everyday. Not just rudeboying it throught Wakey on a weekend with the top down ;) 2 seats not good...

[CampDavid]

BMW 530i Sport would be perfect, like an M5 but he bills are quite reasonable

[CampDavid]

S2000 is great. But this is something he has to live with everyday. Not just rudeboying it throught Wakey on a weekend with the top down ;) 2 seats not good...

I can't remember the last time I drove with more than 2 in the car.

Maybe I have no friends?

[Japman]

camp loves his bmws ;)

[Clouds_mate]

Got quote for a 330 for 1k what they like?

[CampDavid]

Got quote for a 330 for 1k what they like?

Great. The 325i is possibley better value and the 330d is very fast too.

330i generally come spec'd up to the tits with Harmon Kardon stereos etc. Reliable too

[Japman]

the 330D is very impressive

same engine ast he 530D and that goes really well,its what the police use

can you get a 330ci D

If so that would be great

[Cal]

330i generally come spec'd up to the tits with Harmon Kardon stereos etc. Reliable tooKarmon Hardon... :P Im 23 ffs lol

[CampDavid]

the 330D is very impressive

same engine ast he 530D and that goes really well,its what the police use

can you get a 330ci D

If so that would be great


You can and it is.

You are correct, I do like my BMWs, they all drive really well, which puts them ahead of Audi and Mercedes in my book

[Chris]

Got quote for a 330 for 1k what they like?

Petrol or Diesel?

[CampDavid]

Karmon Hardon... :P Im 23 ffs lol


I have no idea what you're banging on about, err, brother

[Cal]

Nevermind. My childish humour is wasted here... :homme:

[Japman]

cal wake up you fag

get the 330ci D then

good on juice etc,and goes well

[CampDavid]

Leckie is young, doesn't do many miles and the derv is a bit more +fuel system bills can be nasty.

The petrol is very, very solid and hence the one I'd choose

[Clouds_mate]

Quote was for the Petrol one lads.

Just looking at the garages site im going tonight. Prices seem very high for the cars, I wouldnt mind chopping mine so i didnt have the hassle of selling.

Isit it easy to get a good deal at a garage?

[Hanuman]

tell you what the new 5 series bmws 3-3.5ds FKN SHIFT, iv seen one fly off the lights at a stupid speed and another on the motorway on a stupidly steep hill pull out and overtake someone from 70mph-95ish within a split second. they seem rapidddddddd and looK UNREAL for style..

[Crunkers]

Cousin has the 330ci and its a cracking car. Very pacey, still doesn't beat his last car...Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged

[Jazz]

Depends on the seller and how hard you're prepared to haggle. Most garages offer crappy p/x on your car.

[Ruddy]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/378462.htm

Ill pick you up on saturday morning to view it.

No need to thank me.

x

[Chris]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/378462.htm

Ill pick you up on saturday morning to view it.

No need to thank me.

x

That's nice that Rud :y:

Chris :)

[Ruddy]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/438274.htm

:detective:

[Raz]

i prefer the black golf ruddy :y: but both very nice cars :)

[AM4R]

How about a DC2 or DC5?

[Craig]

Lcr end of :p

Although i would recommend a s3

[Ruddy]

By the end of the year my car should be a replica of the silver one! ;)

[Clouds_mate]

Like the Silver golf.

Tegs are like 3k on insurance for me, not sure why. Can get insured on a M3 cheaper then a DC5 lol

[Craig]

found u a bargain...

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167128

Same colour as mine..

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=161588

Plenty on there Dan,

[danzman1991]

Its gotta be a Golf, Some kinda Beemer or a Cupra..

[Hanuman]

tell you what save up and get the 5 SERIES 3.5 DIESEL, 268BHP, and 40MPG what a beut only 35 for an 07 plate ur laughing

[Hanuman]

there aint a price on that cupra though ?

[Craig]

there is
all within the 8k-10k

Another one with leather interior..

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156905

[danzman1991]

"£7,495 for quick sale."

[Clouds_mate]

Always like leon's deffo a car to add to my test drive list for this month.

[AM4R]

thats a bugger for Tegs! My vote would be a 5 series then. Can get a 2.0 but with a m3 kit, mmmmm

[Craig]

Always like leon's deffo a car to add to my test drive list for this month.

If u can make it to the meet that 180 has planned can have a spy at mine.

[Clouds_mate]

Cant go to the meet mate, im at a lesbien wedding lol

[Craig]

haha, wil have to sort out some other time

[samcook]

Can get a 2.0 but with a m3 kit, mmmmm

and look a twat when you see a real m3

[Clouds_mate]

the m3 will come on my 25th bday. mark my words lol

[DaxVTR]

personally i'd have the Focus RS you hardly ever see any about they look imo better then there rival's and go just as well if not better and amazing handling and your in an elite little club, CTR's are nice cars but i see far to many of them about :\

[leeroybrown]

buy an rs if your want the car to do the driving and not you

the diff is absolute shit for road use

[DaxVTR]

buy an rs if your want the car to do the driving and not you

the diff is absolute shit for road use

pah, put them on a track and it all makes sence and they are beautifulll

[leeroybrown]

It is Leckie we are talking about here........prefers drink to tracks

[Clouds_mate]

^ agreed.

[Karl]

How was the test drive?