VTS vs 306 GTI-6

[WiseyVTR]

looking at getting a new car in the next 5-6 months i have a VTR now but want some thing with a bit more "go" but dont know want one to get! the insurance is pretty much the same give or take a £100. running cost arent that much of a problem because i dont need it to get to work so it will be more of a "weekend" car and will only be doing up to 5000 miles a year.
im also looking at a car that is tune-able at you can get a good few bhp more out of them.

whats the reliability of these cars like is there anything to look out for except the usual stuff.

so what would you get (i know its a saxo site) but think theres a few people on here with 306s but could be wrong :P

[bbewekim]

diesel :p save on fuel... and large gains just from remap :).

[dannygti]

id have gti 6 in standard form as its much better in every way imo. but if you are going to tune it then vts as it has huge potential depending on your wallet size.

[Karl]

there is a fair bit more go in a standard GTi6 than a VTS.

[Jackman]

Id also go for the GTi-6.....Engine.

Rallye ftw.

[Jazz]

Depends on what you prefer mate. I've heard that acceleration up to legal speeds is pretty much identical in both, although obviously the extra 45ish bhp on the Pug will help into three figures. VTS- 130bhp per tonne, GTi-6- 139bhp per tonne. I'd also expect the Pug to have a small edge in handling by what I've heard.

[WiseyVTR]

id have gti 6 in standard form as its much better in every way imo. but if you are going to tune it then vts as it has huge potential depending on your wallet size.


will probably have about £1000-£2000+ but no more than £3000. i have heard that, that would get a vts to about 150 -170 bhp but not got an idea about a gti.
this might sound stupid but here i go :oops: could you not get more out of a gti easier because it is bigger :geek:

Depends on what you prefer mate. I've heard that acceleration up to legal speeds is pretty much identical in both, although obviously the extra 45ish bhp on the Pug will help into three figures. VTS- 130bhp per tonne, GTi-6- 139bhp per tonne. I'd also expect the Pug to have a small edge in handling by what I've heard.


i like acceleration .am not really in to going fast in a straight line im more into 1/4 miles and track . thats what i find wrong with the vtr IMO its fun in 1st -2nd but it doesnt really go in any other gears

[nazz1]

try something different

go for the 306

[dannygti]

will probably have about £1000-£2000+ but no more than £3000. i have heard that, that would get a vts to about 150 -170 bhp but not got an idea about a gti.
this might sound stupid but here i go :oops: could you not get more out of a gti easier because it is bigger :geek:




i like acceleration .am not really in to going fast in a straight line im more into 1/4 miles and track . thats what i find wrong with the vtr IMO its fun in 1st -2nd but it doesnt really go in any other gears


if thats what you want the car for then id go vts, as soon as you get the handleing sorted and the brakes and tyres you have a track weapon strait away.....trust me.

with regards to tuning the bigger engine, it depends,
it depends on how well developed the engine is to start with and it potential. the xu engine from the 306 gti is a very strong good engine but is more costly to get good power from as the standard engine is pretty well designed and will cost more to get power from than say the tu engine from the vts.
simple breathing mods on a vts can raise the power from 120- 145ish if your lucky but is very cheap to get there, as with the 306 you would most likely need cams to gain that power.id say on a budget go for vts.:y:

[matt-88]

I had a 6, I liked it alot, but clio valvers kept up and 106 gti's.
6's have the slight edge all the way thru, but a 106 gti with cams would do a 6. Get a vts, drop it, air and exhaust, cams. Perfect.

[Jackman]

I had a 6, I liked it alot, but clio valvers kept up and 106 gti's.
6's have the slight edge all the way thru, but a 106 gti with cams would do a 6. Get a vts, drop it, air and exhaust, cams. Perfect.

Or get a 306 Rallye and do the same and my god you will have fun.

[matt-88]

jackman that is a very good point. I agree with that man!!!!

[endlesstimes]

I'd go for a VTS mate imo they look much better than the 306! And will be alot more cost effective to achieve power gains..

[matt-88]

expalin how it would be more cost effective. Im not sure ild agree.

[Jackman]

306 Standard with is about 167bhp?

Put the normal breathing most on and you should be over 170bhp.

Then you can send your standard cams to Kent to be re profiled or just buy a set of mild cams.

as i heard the GTi-6 Ecu can adapt itself to mild mods. how true that is im not sure.

But that would be a pretty quick car.

[AlexR]

VTS for chucking about and track action.
GTi6 for better high speed acceleration, more solidity, refinement etc.

[matt-88]

To be fair ive had both and i would rather keep my little vts because there just as keep. just not top end, but were in britan now adays can you get top end??

NO WHERE.

[endlesstimes]

expalin how it would be more cost effective. Im not sure ild agree.

Kind of like what he said below:

"with regards to tuning the bigger engine, it depends,
it depends on how well developed the engine is to start with and it potential. the xu engine from the 306 gti is a very strong good engine but is more costly to get good power from as the standard engine is pretty well designed and will cost more to get power from than say the tu engine from the vts.
simple breathing mods on a vts can raise the power from 120- 145ish if your lucky but is very cheap to get there, as with the 306 you would most likely need cams to gain that power.id say on a budget go for vts."

[Tupps]

VTS for chucking about and track action.
GTi6 for better high speed acceleration, more solidity, refinement etc.

Very well said

[craigy_87]

got myself a gti-6 recently after owning my vtr, low down acceleration aint amazing compared to the vts but anything was better than my vtr lol
waiting till next year for another no claims comes through before i cam it etc

[saxokid100]

Ide go for the vts!!...

[WiseyVTR]

looks like i will be going for a vts then :fcuk: because i like the way that a saxo drives and IMO i think VTs look better anyway :clapping:

cheers for your comments :y:

[KamRacing]

they are similar acceleration wise and certainly at higher speeds the extra capacity in the 306 gives it the edge

looking to spend some cash on engine mods.. check this vid and it'll convince you to go the 306
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNJkb_lfgMA
not sure why there is a frog there but listen to that engine note

[WiseyVTR]

they are similar acceleration wise and certainly at higher speeds the extra capacity in the 306 gives it the edge

looking to spend some cash on engine mods.. check this vid and it'll convince you to go the 306
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNJkb_lfgMA
not sure why there is a frog there but listen to that engine note

sound nice but that must of had a few £0000s put into that imo i wouldnt put anymore than £3000 tops into an engine. i dont think £3000 would get me far with a 306 (from what iv heard anyway)

[KamRacing]

it will get you further than on a VTS especially as it starts with a 40bhp advantage.

Tbs on the Gti 6 would work very well indeed. Add cams and you are over 200bhp

Spend 10k on an engine and you'll be pushing on 300bhp like the Maxi in the vid :y:

[thethorne]

get a vts, i do really like the gti-6 and the way it goes but a vts with mods is the way forward small nimble car thats goes like f***

[craigy_87]

always liked this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUSymvjHDRA

[_THE_STIG_]

both standard the vts kills the gti6 off the mark to 60 but gti6 are a much more powerfull car and a bit bigger aswell

[dannygti]

both standard the vts kills the gti6 off the mark to 60 but gti6 are a much more powerfull car and a bit bigger aswell

have you driven thses cars side by side?

i would hardly say the vts kills it off the line.
i would say they are very even up to 60mph then the "6" has an advantage.

[_THE_STIG_]

danny gti the vts is a second quicker 0-60 which dosent sound alot but is head to head and then i agree the "6" would have the advantage

[jamie_k]

you gotta change up into 3rd for 0-60 in a gti6 so its not necessarily slower acceleration

[Tom_latchford]

get a vts there gr8 cars