helpppp

[xclairex]

some of you may have seen my thread about the electrics on my 306, having big problems at the moment which i thought was sorted

The heaters stopped working a few weeks back had a mess about with the relay and got them working again, then i found a melted fuse in the footwell but the metal off the fuse was still in the fuse box then when i eventually got the relay out half of it was burnt, i replaced the fuse and the relay and the same thing has happened again with the fuse but the relay is fine the heaters are still working as the metal is still there in the fuse box, the fuse is the correct amp but no one seems to have any ideas why this is happening, im just worried incase it goes bang :panic:

any ideas

Thanks in advance :hug:

[zonedemon]

where was the relay? unlike fuses relays take alot of abuse before they pop and could be a few reasons 1 being old and needed changing or maybe water got into it? yes inside car fuse boxes do get wet, but if its just a fuse gone this time maybe its wrong ampage dont go by what people tell you just go up a amp like if its 5 go up 5 to 10 if it pops try 15 if its ur heating it may use a 20 anyways or 30 if the same fuse uses alot of things like windows etc when it does go u know why??

[xclairex]

it was 1 of 3 relays above the fuse box and i read the manual and it said 30amp should be used for air con and ventilation so thats what was used

[zonedemon]

u sure u have air con? if ur not sure goto front of car and see how man fans u have on the radiator if 2 yes if just the 1 then no, dont worry about the relay and fuses go maybe u got a cheap fuse lol

[xclairex]

yeah ive got air con, got an air con button lol so if i replace the fuse it shouldnt happen again?

[littleracer]

yeah ive got air con, got an air con button lol so if i replace the fuse it shouldnt happen again?

it might if you didnt rectify the original fault.
the fuse blew for a reason,you got to find the reason,could be a blower motor,put another fuse in and try it,if it blows you defo got a prob.

[xclairex]

ok thanks for that :)

[littleracer]

ok thanks for that :)

ok,if ya need anymore help just ask,hehe

[xclairex]

will do cheers :)

[zonedemon]

but saying that u could have just strained the fuse by using everything at once that the fuse uses, people at volvo etc dont assume a driver is gonna put all 4 of his windows down at the same time and up again but doing so can cause the fuse to blow even if its the right fuse now i could be wrong but a 306 is pretty much a saxo in wiring and saxos with air con use 3 different fuses each shared with alot of things so u could just be blowing a fuse when ur running ur high beams and cd player with fag lighter on power assited steering and heated windows all at once, ad thats just a few things when the fuse does go what else do u lose or better yet which fuse is it as theres none listed as 30 for heating 5A 25A and 5A again just dont want you to panic and assume theres something major wrong with ur car when there probley is a good reason its blowing as u said its only done it twice how lng b4 it blew again after u changed it?

[xclairex]

it says in my manual is should be 30a, it was about 3 days and it went again, changed it again last night and its still in 1 piece for now lol

[stevo67]

Check the earths you might be getting a voltage surge,plus did you make sure the relay you replaced was the correct relay not just in amps but the correct 1?


Steve.

[littleracer]

but saying that u could have just strained the fuse by using everything at once that the fuse uses, people at volvo etc dont assume a driver is gonna put all 4 of his windows down at the same time and up again but doing so can cause the fuse to blow even if its the right fuse now i could be wrong but a 306 is pretty much a saxo in wiring and saxos with air con use 3 different fuses each shared with alot of things so u could just be blowing a fuse when ur running ur high beams and cd player with fag lighter on power assited steering and heated windows all at once, ad thats just a few things when the fuse does go what else do u lose or better yet which fuse is it as theres none listed as 30 for heating 5A 25A and 5A again just dont want you to panic and assume theres something major wrong with ur car when there probley is a good reason its blowing as u said its only done it twice how lng b4 it blew again after u changed it?

that is a load of crock
fuse doesnt run everything in the car,only the thing its fusing.
how can you have a fuse to run more then one thing?

if i put me cigerate lighter on and then stick me gogs on i dont expect the ciggie lighter fuse to blow do i?
also power steering pump isnt fused i dont think,not 100 % though.
if you put different ancilleries on then the only reason a fuse will blow is becuase that particualr ancillary has a fault or shorted or just took too much current.
things on different circuits cant cause other fuses on different circuits to blow.
;)

[littleracer]

it says in my manual is should be 30a, it was about 3 days and it went again, changed it again last night and its still in 1 piece for now lol

whe it blew can you remembr what you turned on?
if it was a heater fan then your fan motor maybon its way.could have built up dirt and causing a high resistance (electricly).

[xclairex]

whe it blew can you remembr what you turned on?
if it was a heater fan then your fan motor maybon its way.could have built up dirt and causing a high resistance (electricly).

To be honest i didnt realise the fuse had blew at the time, i couldnt get the relay out and so i was without heaters for about a week the 1st time, i did have a dump valve fitted the other week and it started draining my battery cause it was constantly live so my mate wired it to a plug thats only on when the ignition is on but im not sure what the plug is for :panic: ill get someone to check it and see what its for, it could be that ?

[littleracer]

To be honest i didnt realise the fuse had blew at the time, i couldnt get the relay out and so i was without heaters for about a week the 1st time, i did have a dump valve fitted the other week and it started draining my battery cause it was constantly live so my mate wired it to a plug thats only on when the ignition is on but im not sure what the plug is for :panic: ill get someone to check it and see what its for, it could be that ?

a dump valve?does your car have a turbo and there certainly shouldnt be any electrical cables to a dump valve?

what was it he fitted?

could trace the wires see were they go to and that may tell you.

[pug306_ok]

Might possibly be a D-Turbo.

[xclairex]

found this picture on google and ive circled the plug to which the dump valve is connected to

and yeah its a td :)

[littleracer]

cant see the picture clearly.

dump valves dont have electrical wires though.

[xclairex]

well this one does, and all the other ones ive seen advertised do too
heres a link from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-PEUGEOT-307-406-306-407-TURBO-DIESEL-DUMP-VALVE_W0QQitemZ380039075415QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m380039075415&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

edit just got this off google http://njsr.org/pics/albums/userpics/10163/DumperDT.jpg mine is set up the same but mine has a vacuum on it which is where the wires are from

[littleracer]

well this one does, and all the other ones ive seen advertised do too
heres a link from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-PEUGEOT-307-406-306-407-TURBO-DIESEL-DUMP-VALVE_W0QQitemZ380039075415QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m380039075415&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

ok iam totally confused as i know next to nothing about diesels.
still dont know why a dump valve needs an electrical connection.

how many wires come off it?
3/4?

[xclairex]

2 from the micro switch to the vacum and 1 to the battery

[littleracer]

well this one does, and all the other ones ive seen advertised do too
heres a link from ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-PEUGEOT-307-406-306-407-TURBO-DIESEL-DUMP-VALVE_W0QQitemZ380039075415QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m380039075415&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

edit just got this off google http://njsr.org/pics/albums/userpics/10163/DumperDT.jpg mine is set up the same but mine has a vacuum on it which is where the wires are from

ok so you got a switch that has an electrical wires on it that goes to the dump vavle,its a solenoid operated i take it.
so the switch is mounted under the clutch pedal so when you put your foot on the clutch it opens the dump valve and the pressure is sent to atmosphere.
what a weird set-up.
so just ask the person who installed it what wires did he connect it to in the car,if he doesnt know ask him to find out via manual or wiring diagram.
i cant see why that would blow a fuse unless one of the wires he installed shorted to earth or something.

[pug306_ok]

mmmmmmmmm TSCHH!!!!

[xclairex]

the switch is on the throttle so when you let off the throttle it dumps

[littleracer]

the switch is on the throttle so when you let off the throttle it dumps

ahh right.
as i said ask th person who installed it and get them to tell you what wires they connected to.

[xclairex]

will do thanks for the help :) ill update soon

[littleracer]

will do thanks for the help :) ill update soon

please do keep updated,will be very interesting

[zonedemon]

because littleracer 1 fuse doesnt run 1 thing they run multipul things and yeah they can blow at anytime thats why shops and garages sell fuses doesnt damn mean theres a bad earth, if it had a bad earth it would pop everytime she turned her heating on, then again she wouldnt get a response from her heating with a bad earth in the 1st place

[littleracer]

because littleracer 1 fuse doesnt run 1 thing they run multipul things and yeah they can blow at anytime thats why shops and garages sell fuses doesnt damn mean theres a bad earth, if it had a bad earth it would pop everytime she turned her heating on, then again she wouldnt get a response from her heating with a bad earth in the 1st place

so give me an example of one fuse running multiple things pmsfl.
it can only run one thing otherwise you would just have one big fuse to run everything,and yes i have seen a 500amp fuse fuse before you say anything.
so whizz kid why do cars have multi fuses if one would do lol.
and yes of course shops are going to sell fuses as they do blow ya know ;)
ROFL.

[littleracer]

because littleracer 1 fuse doesnt run 1 thing they run multipul things and yeah they can blow at anytime thats why shops and garages sell fuses doesnt damn mean theres a bad earth, if it had a bad earth it would pop everytime she turned her heating on, then again she wouldnt get a response from her heating with a bad earth in the 1st place

also show me were i said anything about earths?

a wiring diagram will be sufficiant to show a fuse running to different systems.
ie cigie lighter/indicators or elecy windows and ecu managment lol.
prove yaself and totally redeem yaself

[zonedemon]

ok fuse f4 i think runs foglights, heating, cig lighter funny enough and 3-4 other things would need to get my manual out, most the fuses run 4-5 things and more some fuses run some of the same componants like 1 fuse will run the heating while another fuse will run the heater switches so before u do try being smart with me look up a fuse diagram btw i have a 306 car manual so i can just look up what shes/he connect the dump valve to

[littleracer]

[QUOTE=zonedemon;2269743]ok fuse f4 i think runs foglights, heating, cig lighter funny enough and 3-4 other things would need to get my manual out, most the fuses run 4-5 things and more some fuses run some of the same componants like 1 fuse will run the heating while another fuse will run the heater switches so before u do try being smart with me look up a fuse diagram btw i have a 306 car manual so i can just look up what shes/he connect the dump valve to[/QUOTE

hold on you said one fuse runs cd player,fogs heater,high beams,power assisted steering,heated windows,cigie lighter.
which you know isnt true dont you.
also the manufacture is going to take into account the amount of current draw is on that fuse ;).

[littleracer]

but saying that u could have just strained the fuse by using everything at once that the fuse uses, people at volvo etc dont assume a driver is gonna put all 4 of his windows down at the same time and up again but doing so can cause the fuse to blow even if its the right fuse now i could be wrong but a 306 is pretty much a saxo in wiring and saxos with air con use 3 different fuses each shared with alot of things so u could just be blowing a fuse when ur running ur high beams and cd player with fag lighter on power assited steering and heated windows all at once, ad thats just a few things when the fuse does go what else do u lose or better yet which fuse is it as theres none listed as 30 for heating 5A 25A and 5A again just dont want you to panic and assume theres something major wrong with ur car when there probley is a good reason its blowing as u said its only done it twice how lng b4 it blew again after u changed it?

so which story you going with PMSFL.;)

[zonedemon]

no i was explaining that a fuse runs alot of things and u cant put it down to the heating blowing the fuse it could have been anything the fuse runs, that was me explaining if u run 2 much at once it can short the fuse out, didnt say all that ran from 1 fuse

[zonedemon]

exactly 3 diff fuses all of which use the heating also connec tto the cd player on 1 fuse on another its a fog lights and cig lighter so on... check what i say before u say 1 fuse when obviously i said 3

[littleracer]

no i was explaining that a fuse runs alot of things and u cant put it down to the heating blowing the fuse it could have been anything the fuse runs, that was me explaining if u run 2 much at once it can short the fuse out, didnt say all that ran from 1 fuse

ok fuses can run mutliple things...but normally on the auxillary/internal loom and they will be low current.

big things /cureent will have there own fuses.
you should be able to put every single thing on the car has and it shouldnt blow anything unless theres a problem,fuses are rated for a reason,si if a motor gets stuck or something shorts itl blow.
if everything is working fine then you could have your stereo writte up,fogs,main lights on,air con on and heater and the rear windscreen heater plus wipers and hazards and nothing should blow.

[littleracer]

exactly 3 diff fuses all of which use the heating also connec tto the cd player on 1 fuse on another its a fog lights and cig lighter so on... check what i say before u say 1 fuse when obviously i said 3

i know what i meant just couldnt get it wrote down.
look above thats what i meant.;)

[zonedemon]

we can keep this arguing going but ur starting to look dumb so to put it simple each fuse is connected to 1 or more things some of those componants can also be connected to a diff fuse like heating aircon has 3 fuses to work with each fuse runs a diff part of the heating and each of those fuses are running more then 4 things so u cant say its the heating coz all 3 would blow, it could be a faulty cig lighter or maybe she/he bought a dodgy cd player

[xclairex]

pahhh this is confusing i know the heating/ventilation is run off 2 different fuses according to the manual 1 says ventilation and air con and the other is ventilation windows or something

[zonedemon]

for all we know shes wired that dump valve into her ecu or inter cooler which would i tho blow a fuse under the bonnet tho?

[xclairex]

now now children stop argueing :P

and its she ;)

[littleracer]

pahhh this is confusing i know the heating/ventilation is run off 2 different fuses according to the manual 1 says ventilation and air con and the other is ventilation windows or something

vent windows will be eleccy windows.

the heating/vent will be the heater fan etc.

[zonedemon]

claire when the fuse goes u wouldnt just lose ur heating what else do u lose any dash lights or anything?

[xclairex]

the blowers all together and the air con

[littleracer]

we can keep this arguing going but ur starting to look dumb so to put it simple each fuse is connected to 1 or more things some of those componants can also be connected to a diff fuse like heating aircon has 3 fuses to work with each fuse runs a diff part of the heating and each of those fuses are running more then 4 things so u cant say its the heating coz all 3 would blow, it could be a faulty cig lighter or maybe she/he bought a dodgy cd player

look dumb?hahaha read what i highlighted from YOUR post then read what i put.

[littleracer]

sits back and watches with a big amuzed smile :P

[zonedemon]

but something else would have gone also like power steering, audio system hmm a few things did u try ur demister after it blew ? im trying to guess what fuse went

[zonedemon]

smile littleracer but ur looking dumb mate each fuse does run more then 1 thing when u gonna learn that?

[xclairex]

nothing else went that i noticed, the demister meaning the rear screen heater ? if so ive had a problem with that since i had the car, it works but also works the passenger side window motor. i.e when the heater button is on the passenger window goes up and just keeps clicking until switched off

[zonedemon]

then hun thats the reason why maybe u got wires crossed u might want to check that coz it may lead to a new window motor or worse fry ur electrics, but i would have that seen to

[xclairex]

Ive never used it since i worked out what is does lol scared incase something goes pop :panic: ill have to get it looked at asap

Also ive just checked the fuse and its still in one piece :)

Thanks for the help everyone :hug:

[littleracer]

you are looking dumb as your not reading what iam saying.;) read VERY carefully what i have put as you are looking a right faggot.

also nothing will go bang or blow up,as thats what the fuse is for,which is why it has blown.

[littleracer]

Ive never used it since i worked out what is does lol scared incase something goes pop :panic: ill have to get it looked at asap

Also ive just checked the fuse and its still in one piece :)

Thanks for the help everyone :hug:

what ever the wire powers may just have overloaded a couple of times,if its still ok just driver it and be happy,if it blows again then report back with what wire its traced to.
nothing will blow up or cathc fire as that is what the fuse is stopping,its not a bad thing a fuse has blown lol

[xclairex]

what ever the wire powers may just have overloaded a couple of times,if its still ok just driver it and be happy,if it blows again then report back with what wire its traced to.
nothing will blow up or cathc fire as that is what the fuse is stopping,its not a bad thing a fuse has blown lol

found out the wire is traced to the plug powering the petrol pump, which will probably not have anything to do with it lol

[stormV12]

get the heater checked out.
im a sparky and the problem 99 out of 100 times is never a fuse.(in any scenario car,house,whatever)
once the relay is replaced that shouldnt go wrong again,(which it hasnt,which is good) generally they just get old and knackered after a while and die....

id get the heater checked if it keeps blowing fuses.
and make sure all connections are healthy and the fuse is in correctly

hope that helps

[littleracer]

found out the wire is traced to the plug powering the petrol pump, which will probably not have anything to do with it lol

ok so its obviouisly not that.
just keep driving and see if it happens again,if it does probs the motor in the heater.
drive and be happy hun :P

[xclairex]

ok so its obviouisly not that.
just keep driving and see if it happens again,if it does probs the motor in the heater.
drive and be happy hun :P


Thank yooo :P

[littleracer]

Thank yooo :P

no problemoooo ;) :P