My Clio Sport 172 *29th December, Page 7

[Hopcraft]

Well after owning the Vtr for a year, i thought it was time for a change, was a great car to me and enjoyed it a lot.

Was looking for a Vts straight away but after looking at insurance quotes i found a Clio 172 to be cheaper so thought id treat myself and here is what i got:

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Planning to lower -40mm on springs in the very near future and then at a later date get some coilovers. Also rims need a refurb so may get another colour. Then finally i may get a yozzasport stealt zaust.

[dsh85]

looks nice mate, been tempted by one of these many times!

[Anders0n]

You got the leather interior?

[Hopcraft]

Dsh85, its very tempting and they are very rewarding, lol.

Yes mate Full Fat.

Can't be doing with no abs or c/c.

[Sharky-VTR]

Love the clio's!!!!used to have a williams clio as my first car(many moons ago)
like the 172:y:

[Shellz]

Nice! :D

[DevilDamo]

Stupid car and colour :p

Nah looks nice mate :)

[Ryan]

lol another clio cunt :P

and in rare silver.

Hope you were grinning like i was today when you picked up the keys. I love my lots allready.

[shooorn94]

Nice one Hopcraft :y: Personally don't like the wheels on the clio now always looked plastic-y to me :wacko:

But sounds like you've got the plans sorted :A:

[NeV_M3]

That looks super mate, I love the clios, and your plans sound good :y: only downfall is the interior for me (but im still Very jealous :P)

[Luke]

Nice mate, this will be a Clio site soon ;)

I can't even afford to insure one of these.

[Scattle]

Very smart mate, looks great.

[Peejous]

Nice clean 172 mate :y:

[LEE_VTR1]

not another gay Clio! saxp needs a change from saxp to cliostvxrnotasaxoforumperience.com

looks nice mate rare silver aswell with all the extras nice :y: do like these

[Dan]

Very nice matey, any plans?

[Clouds_mate]

Welcome to Clio-p.

Hi.

[Karl]

They dont make 172 FF they're just a "172."

Needs cup spoiler and splitter so she looks like a fast one ;)

Looks lovely mate.

[Luke]

Just wondering when Cliosport and Saxperience are merging? ;)

[Karl]

When you convert Luke mate!

[Luke]

When you convert Luke mate!

You'll be waiting a while ;)

Insurance for me on a 172 is £2,000 FC....3yrs NCB too.

[Peejous]

Sucks to be you. Try a different company.

[Karl]

That is shocking!
I dont even pay that much!

[Luke]

Tell me about it, I ain't gonna spam Hopcrafts thread though after this.

It's strange - a VTS is £1,200 FC for me, a VTR is £800 FC but then Clio whacks right up. I don't think there is much lower tbh..

[Clouds_mate]

My Clio is the same price to insure as an R32.

Work that one out lol

[Yates]

i want to race karl at trax

[Peejous]

Cant Yates, he's not taking his car

[Hopcraft]

chears for the comments..

Well a Clio Sport is a good upgrade from the saxo tbh, and its french, so thats why many people are changing :)

And to the comment that said about the interior, the seats are amazing, so comfy.

Dan R Plans are stated :o Will wack a photoshop up soon, looks good :)

All the insurance comments, PAH,, i pay 1150 FC 1yncb and just turned twenny, rather good me thinks.

[Ferg]

Very nice mate ...

I'll be cashing in on this Clio ownership soon enough.

[Hopcraft]

good choice matey, although i would have like to owned a vts for a couple of weeks to see the differences from a VTR.

[Ferg]

Very true .... I had a 1.1 before my VTS so was a big step up. But growing up beckons and I dont think I can turn up to work after uni in a loud as feck VTS. That's when Clio powaaaaar comes into play ... fun, but grown up.

[Hopcraft]

Another reason i got the clio, because i want to have a car for a long while now rather than a year, and i know im still young but fuck having a saxo at 23/24, no offence to anyone :O

[Hopcraft]

Had a little play in Photoshop today as i was bored, here are my results, hopefully this time next year it should look like this.. need some coilovers but cant afford them at the moment, so only springs for now.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/hop_vtr/cliopshop.jpg

[Karl]

Begging for a cup spoiler that is.

Whos your insurance company?

[Hopcraft]

cup spoiler :s hardly much difference is there

im with bell mate, was with admiral before, 2 best companys tbh.

[Dan]

Will be awesome if it ends up like that

[Elliott]

Will be awesome if it ends up like that

2nd that!

[guppy88]

glad your happy with it. looks a clean one. heres how mine is currently looking

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/guppy88/IMG_0166.jpg

[grantlowery]

glad your happy with it. looks a clean one. heres how mine is currently looking

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/guppy88/IMG_0166.jpg

I like that alot.

[Karl]

quite a big difference if you ask me about the spoiler,
as its much more prominent and sticks out more.

[kingy041290]

veryy nice

[Hopcraft]

oh i see the difference now that guppy has posted, i will look into getting one.

love yours gups.

[singa_2007]

looks very clean nice car

[Morgan_VTR]

Sweet mate! Sad to see you got rid of the 8v... was a nice clean and most standard example!

Photoshop looks cracking too :y:

[Predator_R32]

do it mate, looks spot on, white and silver work well :y:

[Mattt-VTR]

I do like your car, apart from the back, but that's the same with all clio's!

But it does look a beast in the rear-view mirror!!

:y:

Get some more pics up

[dsh85]

hmm ive never been over convinced about white on silver! its always been a bit of a no no im my eyes!

but fee; free to prove me wrong ;)
they can always go anthracite etc at the end of the day of it dosent work

[Hopcraft]

As some one's bumped this, ill say there has been an update.

Got it lowered a couple of week's ago, -40mm on springs, hard as fuck, but look's so much better.

Also in the midst of a group buy on coilover's so hopefully get those sorted in the new year.

Also got a new panel filter from K-tec Racing's own brand, and it's a ton better, for 36 quid. Fuel economy is better (begger's beleive, but true) and feels much smoother as these two litre's have a lumpy idle.

Will get photo's tomorrow or monday of it nice and clean.

And dsh; white's out the window and going for anthracite 2118's, when fund's allow after coily's :)

[Hopcraft]

As said in the last post, here are the picture's of how it look's now..

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[Shellz]

Looking good! :D

[Jackman]

that looks bloody lovely mate.

[Wayne]

Looks very nice buddy:y: spot on lowered:) have you rotary'd the clio yet with any 3m?

[Jackman]

glad your happy with it. looks a clean one. heres how mine is currently looking

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/guppy88/IMG_0166.jpg

Sell it to me Guppy.

[Hopcraft]

Chears for comments.

Looks very nice buddy:y: spot on lowered:) have you rotary'd the clio yet with any 3m?

No i havn't mate, ive only got my own cleaning products, only use rotory and 3m stuff at work.

Will buy one and some polish in due corse.

[tom6122]

Nice car and good colour choice!

[Ferg]

Very nice indeed matey ... Looking so clean!

[CaldzieVTR]

sooo clean mate

as said above looks spot on too sits perfectly

[Steve_90]

looks nice that mate.

[Hopcraft]

Chears for the comment's.

Hopefully im going lower :p

[Craig_6]

cars sitting really nice the way it is ! dont think it needs to go any lower

[Cal]

Just finished helping my mate refurb these, same style but smaller than the 172 rims.

Think they'd look sweet in the same colour on yours minus the yellow...

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[MattySmith]

at clio looks smart dude

[rushy_23]

Do still have a soft spot for the Clio Sport models. Keep it up matey.

[Jimmy-Boy]

Very good car there mate, sits just right imo. My mate has one identicle great motors!!!

[Hopcraft]

It does sit right...ish, but im still going lower, without doubt. Not by much, but i can't live on these Apex springs.

Some FK coilovers will be here after christmas without doubt, just been skint due to cam belt and various other things that have to come first.

Yes Cal, im definally going to get some darker wheels, was thinking of refurb/spray but want a different style, and 2118's are the only way to go.

But at the moment im stuck with it like this after the brand new rad decided to piss itself. Hopefully Angelworks will get it sorted asap.

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[mirrorman]

nice looking motor.

[Hopcraft]

Havn't really updated but i added a new small number plate to the front which makes it look a lot cleaner. Also got some coilovers ordered so should fit them soon-ish. Then going to get an exhaust at some point too.

Also had it on the rollers afer i got matched inlets. 167bhp before, then 175bhp after. Very good mod.

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Here's some night pictures i took the other night, note the car isn't that clean, but still looks good ;)

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[Clouds_mate]

Alike. Still considering selling my car and getting a 172 or 182.

[Ferg]

Very nice indeed matey ... Silver on Silver looks ace!

[Berg]

good photos mate

car looks really nice

come and take some night shots of my car pleeasse! lol

[Hopcraft]

Alike. Still considering selling my car and getting a 172 or 182.

Go for the 182 ff imo.

Although yours is very nice, i'd rather have a nearly nice a car and have a big lump in my back pocket.

Very nice indeed matey ... Silver on Silver looks ace!

Chears dude.

[Dan]

Looks great matey, my bro's got matched inlets on his ph1 172

[Luke]

Like it mate, nice and simple.

[Hopcraft]

Chears, yeah fantastic mod dan, considering clio sport engine are shite for tuning, matched inlets are near best mod for their money i'd say.

Tuning a clio sport, is nothing compared to a saxo. Only need breathing mods on a saxo and you get a good 10-15 bhp.

Coilovers coming Tuesday :)

[platty]

lovely car... the only regret i have is not getting a cup.. dont need all the luxuries.

[Hopcraft]

No regret in not getting cup, kinda regret not getting a 182 though.

Need my ABS imo.

[Graeme]

looks very clean mate

Should of got a 182 cup I still have the joys of cc and abs ;)

[Hopcraft]

I wish, don't have the poundage at 20.

[Adz]

man it looks lush, wish i was old enough to have one of these :(

Looking at a 182 next i hope:)

Adz

[Hopcraft]

man it looks lush, wish i was old enough to have one of these :(

Looking at a 182 next i hope:)

Adz

You probably are old enough. I was looking out for a vts after my r, turned out that to insure this was 500 quid cheaper, so bobs your uncle, lol.

[Adz]

You probably are old enough. I was looking out for a vts after my r, turned out that to insure this was 500 quid cheaper, so bobs your uncle, lol.


lol, nah, im 17, no years claims,

my car just looks like a vts ;)

its a westcoast :)

Adz

[Shellz]

Looks well!! :y:

[PSPDan]

Really like that a lot mate :)

[olly_vts]

the 172 looks the nuts! really nice car mate

[Hopcraft]

Well after the West Mids rolling road meet at Leamington, i headed over to birmingham to get my coilovers fitted by a well respected member from Cliosport.net.

The front still needs to go down a touch, but ill be getting 4 x toyo proxes' all round then ill get a full geometry to set camber heights toe etc.

But here's how it looks at the moment.

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Also bought a clio cup spoiler at the weekend so will get that sprayed up at work and get it fitted.

[J222JRA]

thats really nice mate. Very smart.

[Peejous]

Camber on the fronts looks nearly as bad as mine lol.

Where you getting it set up?

[Peejous]

Camber on the fronts looks nearly as bad as mine lol.

Where you getting it set up?

[Hopcraft]

Camber on the fronts looks nearly as bad as mine lol.

Where you getting it set up?

Yeah the trolley jacks were sagging and threw the camber out i guess.

Will be taking it to Jamsport in Northampton, top lads there, and only 10 mins away.

[Hopcraft]

As the weather was s**te on sunday i thought i'd wax my car, something I HATE doing. But was bored. So Maxi suds'd it, then miricle dried, then srp'd and finally Nattys paste wax.

Also fitted a cup spoiler that i got a month or two ago, but only just had time this week to use the spray booth and oven at work to get it icelandic (body colour).

And also took my car to Jamsport two or three weeks back to get it geom'd after i got my V-maxx coilovers fitted. Got them to wind it down a bit since the last time i put up pictures..still want to go lower on the front though.

Sorry for the barn pic's, but the weather didn't perk up.

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Also got a stealth exhaust, but im toying with taking it off, as its doing my head in already.

Also toying with selling up and getting a vts, and save some wedge..any one interested !? :)

[deanomx206]

should of had my gold vts ;)

[Hopcraft]

I should have indeed, but cant be bothered to loose shed loads of money selling private, would rather px.

[Hopcraft]

Replaced the rear shocks as they fook, bottom of the shock came off the bush, dodgy shit, also lowered the front a bit more and gave it a dash of water and soap..

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to...

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[MR_N]

My best mate has a 172 that looks the same as yours but without the coilovers. Love his car and when we take it out. Alot of power for a hot hatch but very nice inside. Id hate to be a sheep and follow suit but i really want one next, either in this siver or a blue. Nice car mate.

[Hopcraft]

To be honest with you, its the best upgrade from a vtr, if you dont get an vts.

Insurance is great too and MPG.

I only pay 698 fully comp and im 21.

Yeah its fairly nippy too.

[Matt_e]

where did you get the front plate from?

[Hopcraft]

http://www.fancyplates.com/

Go to show plates and you can do which ever you want, although they are illegal. I still havn't been pulled/fined for it.

[MR_N]

To be honest with you, its the best upgrade from a vtr, if you dont get an vts.

Insurance is great too and MPG.

I only pay 698 fully comp and im 21.

Yeah its fairly nippy too.

Yeah im 20 in a few months so cant afford insurance yet. will be getting one at 21 though. just going to spend a bit of cash on the vtr atm making it nice :)

[Hopcraft]

Yeah im 20 in a few months so cant afford insurance yet. will be getting one at 21 though. just going to spend a bit of cash on the vtr atm making it nice :)

I paid a grand last year when i was 20 ! so its all affordable.

[Berg]

makes me wanna get a clio now

looking cleeeean!

[MARTYN19588]

nice car. little low for my liking tho. who you insured with? im £920 fully comp with bell and im 21

[danzman1991]

Looking good mate :y:

[Rob-6]

looks really good like the wheels

[Hopcraft]

makes me wanna get a clio now
looking cleeeean!

Do it mate, good cars.

nice car. little low for my liking tho. who you insured with? im £920 fully comp with bell and im 21

Im with Bell too.

4 yrs driving 2 yr ncb.

[MARTYN19588]

hmmm. iv only got coming up for 3 years driving tho and 3 years no claims

[Hopcraft]

Couple i took on a abandoned airfield close to me and some from Trax carpark ;)

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TRAX

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[Hopcraft]

Couple more for you Clio lovers ;)

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[Aron]

looking very good mate. such good condition. need to sort mine out. not beeing cleaned since Trax :( poor cup

[Hopcraft]

looking very good mate. such good condition. need to sort mine out. not beeing cleaned since Trax :( poor cup

Saying that i just put my pictures up from Trax in the events section, some of yours there ;)

T'is pretty good nick to be fair, clicked on to 80k this weekend too.

[shooorn94]

Looking good as usual hopcraft! :y:

In regards to this abandoned airfield, do you happen to remember the location perchance? ;)

[Hopcraft]

Looking good as usual hopcraft! :y:

In regards to this abandoned airfield, do you happen to remember the location perchance? ;)

Chipping Warden. Half way between Daventry and Banbury.

[b-christie]

You'll be waiting a while ;)

Insurance for me on a 172 is £2,000 FC....3yrs NCB too.

llf i was only 520 on my old evo fully comp but i was 25 with 5yrs no claims and still kept my saxo vtr wich i converted to a vts i got rid of the evo as it was far to expencive to fix a driveshaft was 450 bucks and it drank feul like it was goin out of fasion so im now driving my baby the saxo ive owned for 5 great yrs and i still love it i cant part with her lol

[Ryan]

dont look very fishy to me, is it a cheap bolt on attachment?

[Hopcraft]

Sigma 10-20 Ryan.

Not quite a fisheye, no. Wide-angle, doesn't sound quite so appealing though ;)

[Hopcraft]

Well I haven't updated this in a while, and shit loads has happened in-between times. But anyway, driving to Bordeaux on friday for two weeks in the sun, so a good 1400 mile round trip, going to be fun.

Heres the new rimz, OZ F1's from the Ph1 Clio Sport, powder coated anthracite and wrapped in 120 pounds worth (camskill) of Toyo T1-R's, bargain.

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[Lacey_106]

Looks the nuts! Makes me miss mine even more :(

That road trip will be immense!! Pics!

[Wayne]

Looks awesome on new wheels:y: best colour choice for wheels:)

[coffs_vtr]

thats lovely mate, whats it lowered on?

[sn3ddon]

they wheels are sexual ;)

[Hopcraft]

Well this progress thread was a shambles, but to be fair documenting a non saxo on a saxo site is going to be a shambles anyway.

If anyone is interested a full progress thread was made on Cliosport.net

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?472048-My-Iceberg-172-Thread

Anyway, last few pictures, and it's currently being put back to standard, cup spoiler is off and sold and putting standard wheels exhaust and suspension on this weekend.

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[chris205]

I didn't realise it was you with that username ;)

[Hopcraft]

I didn't realise it was you with that username ;)

Lol, Yeah sadly used to be apart of the Saxo community ;)

[Hopcraft]

Well it never did sell, god knows why, cracking car to be honest.

Sold the Cup spoiler for a tidy amount and also put my standard exhaust back on and sold the Ktec Stealth.

Here it is as of the other day.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5281/5280290692_2d850ed527_b.jpg

I'm sure it will be a good upgrade for some one on here. Only wanting a measly 2.4k

[KamRacing]

not a bad price for a great car. They are surprisingly better to drive and more frugal on fuel than the saxo.

[Hopcraft]

I know it's my own car, but i worked for a company that buy cars and pick them up. NOTHING, will come close to spec and speed for the money. Yet it still doesn't shift, i blame insurance to be honest. IMO the target market for this car is 19-27 year old ish, yet insurance companies make it difficult for the lower end of that age bracket to buy one.

Talking about fuel, when i first bought it in 2008, and petrol was at a normal price under 100p i was getting better mpg than my VTR.

Can average a good 45mpg on a run, and 35 mpg around town.

Can ramble for ages, but if anyone suggests any car i will fight the corner for the Cliosport.

[tmile09]

is the insurance high on that? id love on meself the vtr just isnt quick enough

[BrianMc]

gorgeous mate :) personally i much preferred it with the original wheels u had on it

[Pat_Vts]

172s are good for the £££ the new saxo VTS's for sure! :)

id own one of them personally :)

[Hopcraft]

is the insurance high on that? id love on meself the vtr just isnt quick enough

Group 16.

Although cheaper to insure one of these than a VTS (in my case). And a whole load better, IMO.

gorgeous mate :) personally i much preferred it with the original wheels u had on it

Really ? I much prefer these. They are 15's instead of the orginal 16's, so A LOT cheaper on tyres.

172s are good for the £££ the new saxo VTS's for sure! :)

id own one of them personally :)

Completely agree, but to no avail :(

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Looks tasty on the F1's buddy. Shame it hasn't gone yet :n: