Busted Starter Motor?

[r3d_fac3d]

Hi just wondering what could be rong with my car. my car ran out of petrol so i went a filled it up it taken ageeees to try and start it up and b4 i manged to get it to start up after about 15 mins of truning the ignition all of a sudden the normal noise u get when turning ur ignition turned into a grinding noise ans then soon after it turned into just silence and no movement and no my battery isnt flat. any answers plz? rep will be left!

[bushy]

sounds like fuel pump

[r3d_fac3d]

sure? cos now the car doesnt make a single movement or sound when i turn ignition to start up engine :S but its does bump start.

[gonnacatchalunker]

yeah defo starter motor, either get a decent one from scrappy or ebay, or spend bout £80 on a new one!! bit of a ball ache to fit but nothin specialist!!

[r3d_fac3d]

thats gay :( lol swear it had a new one not long ago wen i bought it. ty

[r3d_fac3d]

this is a video of what happens when i turn my ignition:

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mov000013gpas5.flv

This noise seem to be coming from under around where your install the graffiths quick shift on that gear link and doesnt seem to be turning anything just a grinding spinning freely sound. i duno if that is where the start motor is. I would maybe understand a lil more why this happened if someone could tell me how that start motor works e.g. what its connected to and how does it turn the engine etc.. ty

btw it going silent turned out to be my battery evn tho it wasnt flat i just charged it up some more and it made the grinding sound again

[renagademaster4]

bump start the car and go a spin for 20 minss then go home turn it off n try start it

[renagademaster4]

after watching the vid it sounds like the starter Solenoid is sticking , give it a whack with a hammer and try again , or while turning it over thump it into gear it sumtimes free's it

[r3d_fac3d]

bump start the car and go a spin for 20 minss then go home turn it off n try start it

i would bump start it if my mate was here AND if it wasnt declaired of road :( police alot round here so :( ile try tht hammer thing :P but i dont know where the start motor is and if i need axel stand to find it then i cnt :P

[r3d_fac3d]

oh and also i duno if u alredy new but if i put it in gear and turn the ignition it makes the same noise and the engine doesnt jolt. it seem like it not connected to anything :s i just tryed that wacking it into gear thing and it did nothing :P

[stevo67]

Starter motor is located at the rear of the engine about 1/2 way down under the inlet manifold.Need to jack the car up for easier access.


Steve.

[r3d_fac3d]

:bump: bummmp :) rep for any help :) thanks

[fordy_vtr]

what is the problem mate is that the coil in the starter motor has completly gone! that needs to be changed! then it should run like a dreem! but go to a scappy to get it mate!
u will save loads of money! but another problem maybe the ignition wire mayb lose off the starter motor! so cheak that first!

good luck my friend!

[r3d_fac3d]

well its prbz bust then cos it happened over like 10 seconds from perfectly starting up to it going like tht. i ran out of petrol on the car completley, its been running on fumes for a longgg time and when it finally ran out while it was started up. then i put some petrol in and just held the igntion for a while trying to fill the pipes etc :S thats when it ended. but thanks! i will check the wires when i can before buying one! strange thing is it had a brand new one on im sure of it :S repped!

[fordy_vtr]

yer check mate! something like this happened 2 my mates 106! all tha was wrong was a lose wire! sorted it in 5 mins!

[r3d_fac3d]

will do but if it was a loose wire wud it be moving/making a sound at all?

[fordy_vtr]

urmm wll my mates wasnt! well i cudnt hear it over the exhaust noise lol

but i was just looking over it and the wire was off the motor so i just soldered it back on!

if when u turn the key there is no noise being made then it is probs the wire!

[r3d_fac3d]

this is a video of what happens when i turn my ignition:

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mov000013gpas5.flv

This noise seem to be coming from under around where your install the graffiths quick shift on that gear link and doesnt seem to be turning anything just a grinding spinning freely sound. i duno if that is where the start motor is. I would maybe understand a lil more why this happened if someone could tell me how that start motor works e.g. what its connected to and how does it turn the engine etc.. ty

btw it going silent turned out to be my battery evn tho it wasnt flat i just charged it up some more and it made the grinding sound again

Watch the video :y:

[fordy_vtr]

forget wa i said! lol
the wires are fine!

but the stating motor cogs are gone!
if u notice when u turn the key and let it go the cogs still grind for a few seconds!
so best thing to do is replace the starting motor! but cheak there isnt anything blocking it up! also if u buy 1 either get 1 from the scrappy or just get a reconditioned 1!

[r3d_fac3d]

yea it sound like cogs grinding, what is the motor connected to? i could be tht the motot is fine and the other cog on the part its attched to is fucked?

[fordy_vtr]

well its conected to a dynamo! and i think the altinator! i am not quite sure!

best thing to do is to just get under your car and have a good look! once you find the starting motor you will be able to recognise most other parts!

[Uzi]

check ur bolts dude have u got all three in? and tite coz mine had this problem and there was only 1 bolt holdin it in?

[r3d_fac3d]

i will check mate thanks! if ther are missing you know what bolts i need? also do you know the easyest way to get to the stater motor? could you get to it on full lock left though the drivers side wheel arch?

[lcheater]

I would say your starter motor has gone. If you think about it, trying to start the car for 15 mins means A LOT of use of the starter motor (they get VERY hot after a while). Something inside has probably burned out or something. If you are going to fix this yourself you will need to take the starter motor out to replace it, but before you do, the easiest way to confirm the diagnosis is to connect it to a battery once you have taken it out to see if it turns over (bearing in mind it may appear to work OK with no resistance on the cog).

[r3d_fac3d]

well the starter motor was new and it wasnt 15 mins constant, it was like over a period of 15 mins for like15-20 seconds of holding the ignition well ile check that too :) come to think of it it kinda happened when my mate thought it was funny to try turning the ignition while in first gear, then it started to grind :S

[Uzi]

did u check ur bolts?

[r3d_fac3d]

i havent got round to it yet mate. i will wait til my mate coems round so we btoh can have a proper look at it :y: