A RIP Thread - Pretty Sad

[Frosty]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7694793.stm

RIP - Daryl - 19... And his life taken away

Lad i went to school with, Went to dances with... Even closer to his brother.

Never had anything like this happen around here, So its pretty mental!

Friday Night - I seen him fighting but couldnt get near enough to try and stop it, About 7 people through out the night laid into him, He refused an ambulance and pegged it off so the police wouldnt get him.

Saturday - Managed to get 8 miles north to Golspie ( Another small town just up from me ) and 2 boys from the friday night gave him another leathering

He died due to trauma of the head... Why didnt the police take him to hospital? You could tell he needed stitches he needed medical attention, A 19 year old didnt deserve to die in a police cell with Internal Bleeding in the head... How can noone notice that?

:(

Such a shame in my eyes, And im usually not a very warm person

[Danr]

R.I.P. From what you say the police will be fucked.

[AdamW]

So he robbed a church and people beat him up?

[Frosty]

So he robbed a church and people beat him up?

There is no proof saying it was Daryl who robbed the churched and in my eyes, He was a fucking nutter but he wouldnt do that, The story we heard was 2 people were meant to get married and the ex husband smashed the church, Makes more sense than a 19 year old lad who just got a beating in the middle of the street and could barely stand or walk broke into it...

As the couple who were meant to get married in the church, Got married in the other church in Dornoch the same day.

And he got a beating cause he wasnt liked by many people, But even still did anyone deserve that?

[HollyAnne]

RIP :(

that is neglience but will be extreamly hard to prove, police wont be fucked tbh.

[Frosty]

R.I.P. From what you say the police will be fucked.

Thats what we are all thinking, Cause surely you would notice someone getting worse with their conditions? Aint the police meant to check on them etc?

I just cant beleive, He's my age and he's gone... Like nothing else now

Just mental :(

[djrem]

Contact the BBC and keep them up todate with this.

It will make National News and use it as a wave to surf to get the police to admit what they did was wrong.

[AdamW]

So they are now dealing with a man-slaughter case....the 7 or so people who beat him up are fucked......

RIP

[TU-Tuning]

RIP. Police wont be fucked though, someone will probably be made a scapegoat and theyll be an apology but nothing big will happen tbh

[Frosty]

RIP :(

that is neglience but will be extreamly hard to prove, police wont be fucked tbh.

Exactly Holly!

My thoughts are, They knew his record, Trouble maker, Fighting, He was just out of jail a Fortnight.. Lad was well known by the police..

Still doesnt excuse the fact to check on him!

[Garry_T]

R.I.P police are fuckers :n:

[Frosty]

So they are now dealing with a man-slaughter case....the 7 or so people who beat him up are fucked......

RIP

I dont even think any of the seven people have been arrested, Cause i seen a few lads laying into him...

Its fucking pathetic man

[AdamW]

You know any of the lads laying into him?

[Danr]

Have you spoken to the police about the assaults?

[Frosty]

You know any of the lads laying into him?

Aye know them all.... Quite well as well..

But even his brother knows who was laying into him, So im sure he has informed the police as there was 250 people in the middle of the town when it happened, All people we know or know of really..


Police were meant to be contacting me but heard nothing...

[djrem]

Contact the police
Contact the media.

This isnt a "oh look at me" story.
Its a "I need your newspaper and tv influence to get my friend some fucking justice".

[Frosty]

Contact the police
Contact the media.

This isnt a "oh look at me" story.
Its a "I need your newspaper and tv influence to get my friend some fucking justice".

Got a job interview at half 2.... Might take a trip down to the police

As i do agree with you fully

[Danr]

You should be doing all you can to help. Don't wait for them to come to you :)

[Giggz]

RIP, you need to get your side of the story out though from the police slacking.

[smiith]

the police arnt supposed to be able to take anyone into custody untill thay have had any injurys taken care of, they can take them to hospital in the police van/car, but they cant put you in a cell or anything if they think you to need hospital treatment

Get on the blower to the BBC

[HollyAnne]

its all well and good getting on the phone to newspapers, BBC etc....but unless you have £1000 to open a case against them (which would be lost anyway) and there is full evidence that it was negligence on the part of the police (which will be hard to find) then effectively all you will be doing is telling the readers/viewers that he is dead and how he died, and tbh the media will probably put a twist on it anyway...19yr old fighting perfect for stereotyping. The media have understandings with those in authority they arnt going to go against the police.

Sorry to put a downer on it but it wont get you anywhere unless you are extremely lucky.

xXx

[Tupps]

So they are now dealing with a man-slaughter case....the 7 or so people who beat him up are fucked......

RIP

Not always the case....

Lad local to me smacked a 73 year old man and killed him

Loads of people round here smashed the lads house up etc, now him and his family have been moved down south

Infact, i'll find out the latest

[djrem]

its all well and good getting on the phone to newspapers, BBC etc....but unless you have £1000 to open a case against them (which would be lost anyway) and there is full evidence that it was negligence on the part of the police (which will be hard to find) then effectively all you will be doing is telling the readers/viewers that he is dead and how he died, and tbh the media will probably put a twist on it anyway...19yr old fighting perfect for stereotyping. The media have understandings with those in authority they arnt going to go against the police.

Sorry to put a downer on it but it wont get you anywhere unless you are extremely lucky.

xXx

Wrong.

the rules of "Man Bites Dog"

Everyone knows that a 19 year old from the media would be in a fight and would expect a title like "19 year old dies in fight"

This is an exceptional case where the youth has died in a police cell.
Something that should NEVER happen due to rules and legistation put in place.

You cant go to a cell until a doctor/1st aider says its safe too. etc.

The point in telling the BBC isnt to become a 15 min fame celeb.
Its to put the pressure for the police to solicate an independant enquiry.

Someones lost a son, a brother and a friend when there was no need to.

[HollyAnne]

Wrong.

the rules of "Man Bites Dog"

Everyone knows that a 19 year old from the media would be in a fight and would expect a title like "19 year old dies in fight"

This is an exceptional case where the youth has died in a police cell.
Something that should NEVER happen due to rules and legistation put in place.

You cant go to a cell until a doctor/1st aider says its safe too. etc.

The point in telling the BBC isnt to become a 15 min fame celeb.
Its to put the pressure for the police to solicate an independant enquiry.

Someones lost a son, a brother and a friend when there was no need to.

Quick Sociology lesson, I made this as I knew someone would argue lol

I highly doubt the media will put pressure on the police.

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[HollyAnne]

ps sorry for the spelling mistakes

[Danr]

The media don't give a shit about who the police are. There are no understandings.

[Mikey]

the police must of had there reasons to take him in i guess.

poor lad. RIP

[djrem]

Congratulations on utilising different colours on paint.

This is my arguement.

1. Doing nothing.
The police make it out as not their problem. They state that the youth requested to not see a doctor. That the youth chose to rather be in a cell. And that no other judgement was required.
Police at worse get away with it.
If not compensation.


2. Involve the BBC/Media
The media reports the incident.
Experts hear about this and voice their opinions and the facts about custody.
Experts with an Enquiry into the officers taking part in the incident are investigated.
Case against police regarding treatment of individuals in custody goes to court.
Depending on current legisaltion regarding custody of a harmed person in a cell is, the court could find the police guilty of negilgence towards how they acted towards the individual.



Being beaten up twice in one night does make a physical mark.
Its not like "oh he just flopped over and died". This kid would be covered in marks, bruises and cuts.

No Offence but Sociology has fuck all to do with a court case between two parties.
Sociaology is by definition: "the scientific study of society and human behavior."

No one cares about how someone behaves here, what we want is why the police did not follow protocol on holding an individual.

[Matty_Mills]

R.I.P

Get his story out mate!

[HollyAnne]

It clearly does lol the police are up there above everyone else, its little people against big people!

As for the law side of things a post mortem will show what actually killed him, and it will be the injuries he got before going into the cell, therefore the police are not the significant cause and the chain of causation is still in tact and police get off. The charge will be given to the one who caused the injury that caused death he will probably have had the intention to cause a gbh no death, obviously without all facts present i can not give a proper explanation of what it would be.

Law and sociology coincide more than most people think, and its not scientific...(however that can be debated but its not)

The police will not be charged with anything, and as the OP stated he refused medical attention, and he could have done the same at the station and the police couldn't have done anything about it. It is the victims choice to take action regarding any injuries and if he wants nothing done than nothing is done, however doctors could go to court against this blahdy blahdy blah.

I think that's everything....

[djrem]

He refused medical attention at the first incident and ran away.

When he was detained no details were given that he didnt want medical attention.

But - I know from experience - when you are put into custody they have to ask some second person if they agree with thier decision or something.

Normally they ask "any cuts, injuries or stuff we need to know of"
A kid covered in blood should be taken to hospital.
Espcially as the OP described - could barely walk.

My sister is studying Criminology and Socialogy for her Degree.
My close friend Charlotte is studying Criminal and Contract Law in her third year.
I also did Law as part of a HNC.

So i know that if the police can end this out of court, they will. Its cheaper and better for their reputation.

"little against big people"

No. The sole reason to involve the media is to make the nation look at what happened and get rid of this made up barrier.


Please stop trying to involve stuff you learnt at college unless its related.

[HollyAnne]

ok

1) police wont get any charges - not significant cause
2) you can put it in media but its not going to cause any revolutionary outburst.
3) As you have stated no one knows what happened in the police station so no one can comment on that you know from personal experience and I know from the books, but we dont know what happened then.
4) its to expencive and not worth opening a court case for this kind of thing. And I agree with you that the police will end it out of court, if there is even anything found that needs to be ended.

There will be no revolutionary outburst against the police and they will not be charged with negligence.

So please stop trying to make me feel stupid with sarcy comments because the chances are I know just as much as you in the law department as it was only PART of you HNC and you would have covered the basics I covered in AS. O yeh and my aunt is a high court judge who was a barrister and earns £1000 in a half day :) and is also tutoring me so nerrr

love you xxx

[djrem]

Then get her to waive her ridiculous sitting around fee and help this kid who has lost his friend.

No one cares about our bickering.

A kid is dead when he shouldnt be.
Rest in Peace - Daryl, Forever 19

[Matty_Mills]

ok

1) police wont get any charges - not significant cause
2) you can put it in media but its not going to cause any revolutionary outburst.
3) As you have stated no one knows what happened in the police station so no one can comment on that you know from personal experience and I know from the books, but we dont know what happened then.
4) its to expencive and not worth opening a court case for this kind of thing. And I agree with you that the police will end it out of court, if there is even anything found that needs to be ended.

There will be no revolutionary outburst against the police and they will not be charged with negligence.

So please stop trying to make me feel stupid with sarcy comments because the chances are I know just as much as you in the law department as it was only PART of you HNC and you would have covered the basics I covered in AS. O yeh and my aunt is a high court judge who was a barrister and earns £1000 in a half day :) and is also tutoring me so nerrr

love you xxx

Possibly the most stupid phrase i have heard in this thread...

A case is too EXPENSIVE when it involves a 19 year old lad dying??
Erm...

[HollyAnne]

Possibly the most stupid phrase i have heard in this thread...

A case is too EXPENSIVE when it involves a 19 year old lad dying??
Erm...

its to expencive when it wont get you anywhere is what i meant.

Dunno why im defending myself anyway.

Shot down for trying to help

RIP buddy xxx

[djrem]

Shot down for trying to help

"You wont go anywhere with this" isnt helping.


A brazillian guy was shot in the head on the underground.
If no one reported that, it would have been put on the paper work pile too.

[Matty_Mills]

Lol Hayley, you don't need to defend yourself at all :p
just thought it was a silly thing to say.
was digging at the fact that the justice system can at times, be kak.

Think something needs to be done... thats all

Love you x

[HollyAnne]

well your all telling him to waste his money opening courtcases that wont be successful, he can put a story in the paper it will get the local papers but thats all, it wont help because it will not cause un uproar, you are better of just writing an artical on what an amazing guy he was tbh.

[Matty_Mills]

well your all telling him to waste his money opening courtcases that wont be successful, he can put a story in the paper it will get the local papers but thats all, it wont help because it will not cause un uproar, you are better of just writing an artical on what an amazing guy he was tbh.

You know what England is like my lover!!!
A 19 year old dying in a police cell due to negligence will be plastered on every page if the correct people are notified

[HollyAnne]

You know what England is like my lover!!!
A 19 year old dying in a police cell due to negligence will be plastered on every page if the correct people are notified

and if you have the money

[Danr]

you don't have to pay to go into the papers Holly?

Also, have you seen some of the stories in the Sun? I think this is a little more important than the typical... a man has found a crisp shaped like Brian May's guitar.....

[djrem]

I phoned The Sun drunk and told them I was the reason Jodie Marsh will be visiting the Abortion clinic the next day.

I was put through to the "3am" desk or something.

The only people you need to know is the number for 118118.
And ask for "Newsdesk" at each of the big players.

[Darlo-paul]

rem you weren't drunk at all

[HollyAnne]

Maybe but surely its not going to be easy as phoning them and telling them what happend and they post it...im sure they will want facts...which means waiting.

[Danr]

You'd be suprised how little information they need and how quickly they can get the relevant stuff.

[HollyAnne]

and the BBC already know...

[Matty_Mills]

Maybe but surely its not going to be easy as phoning them and telling them what happend and they post it...im sure they will want facts...which means waiting.

Its a good story... they will make the effort if you drop them a line.
i was in the paper in 2005 and i was just hit by a drunk driver...
a 19 yearolds death is far more important than what happened to me so i think this would hit the news!

[Danr]

Its a good story... they will make the effort if you drop them a line.
i was in the paper in 2005 and i was just hit by a drunk driver...
a 19 yearolds death is far more important than what happened to me so i think this would hit the news!

The crisp story i mentioned earlier is more important :P

(iJoke) Love you x

[HollyAnne]

just put that the police will have referred it to the IPCC for a full investigation to take place anyway, so if the police have done anything wrong they will be charged, so no need to go to papers

[HollyAnne]

just put that the police will have referred it to the IPCC for a full investigation to take place anyway, so if the police have done anything wrong they will be charged, so no need to go to papers

stolen of a policy man who was looking at it all lol told me to write that :)

[Frosty]

Congratulations on utilising different colours on paint.

This is my arguement.

1. Doing nothing.
The police make it out as not their problem. They state that the youth requested to not see a doctor. That the youth chose to rather be in a cell. And that no other judgement was required.
Police at worse get away with it.
If not compensation.


2. Involve the BBC/Media
The media reports the incident.
Experts hear about this and voice their opinions and the facts about custody.
Experts with an Enquiry into the officers taking part in the incident are investigated.
Case against police regarding treatment of individuals in custody goes to court.
Depending on current legisaltion regarding custody of a harmed person in a cell is, the court could find the police guilty of negilgence towards how they acted towards the individual.



Being beaten up twice in one night does make a physical mark.
Its not like "oh he just flopped over and died". This kid would be covered in marks, bruises and cuts.

No Offence but Sociology has fuck all to do with a court case between two parties.
Sociaology is by definition: "the scientific study of society and human behavior."

No one cares about how someone behaves here, what we want is why the police did not follow protocol on holding an individual.


Rem... It was so easy to see he had taken a bad beating, Barely could stand all his face was burst open and his wrist, cut's down the right side of his face... So in my eyes he should of been given treatment when taken to the cells no matter if he did runaway from the ambulance

I would as well if some lads were going to give me a right beating!

[Frosty]

and the BBC already know...

BBC already know what? Nothing? Aye fucking exactly

They are saying he died in a cell... End of no reason behind it

Saying he broke into the cathedral like a nutter? The boy could barely walk, Blood all over his face and hands... Who the fuck would break into a cathedral after having your face smashed off the concrete?

The boy, Died due to neglience in my oppinion, The police should of checked up on him, Made sure he was ok... He died due to trauma to the head

YOU FUCKING NOTICE SOMEONE GETTING WORSE WITH TRAUMA TO THE HEAD... YOU DONT LOOK ''SOUND''...

Ive been to the police... Talking to rem about it atm

[trcygrdn]

YOU FUCKING NOTICE SOMEONE GETTING WORSE WITH TRAUMA TO THE HEAD... YOU DONT LOOK ''SOUND''...




He may have looked like he was sleeping. If someone has had a large bleed into thier brain chances are he wouldn't have known about it...he may have just gone to sleep and not woken up. That is not to say that the police are innocent as they should've sought medical help immediately.
xx

[Frosty]

PS: If im a bit agro i do appolgise in advance as i am a bit on edge...

Missed my job interview by half an hour got to go back tomorrow, Probally wont get the job... Fucking raging

[Frosty]

He may have looked like he was sleeping. If someone has had a large bleed into thier brain chances are he wouldn't have known about it...he may have just gone to sleep and not woken up. That is not to say that the police are innocent as they should've sought medical help immediately.
xx

I understand what you mean... But if you were a policeman and a lad arrived, Cuts and bruises all over his face and his wrist etc... Probally even bruising to the stomach when he was kicked...

Would you not atleast have the decency to say ''Right he needs medical attention''... You wouldnt just drop him off in his cell and say night night...

I know daryl was in pain... And i dont care what anyone says, This is why i know he didnt deserve any of this

[HollyAnne]

there is nothing you can do, it will be reviewed but the IPCC and a ful report given, you can make a complaint on http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/ nobody else will review the case at the moment, and even if you do lodge the complaint, they will be investigating it anyway, as any death in custody they investigate.

'As a competent adult, you have an absolute right to consent to or refuse medical treatment'

http://www.wddty.com/03363800371427579367/your-medical-rights-a-guide-to-when-you-can-refuse-treatment-gain-access-to-records-or-ensure-that-your-wishes-are-followed-if-you-are-incapacitated.html

Also as you were not present at the police station you do not know that he did not refuse medical attention.

It will be being reviewed anyway so there is nothing more you can do, going to the police was pointless as police do not investigate themselves.

The best thing you can do is let the IPCC do their job and if the police are responsible they will pay the price.

Good Luck

xXx

[girlracer1597]

PS: If im a bit agro i do appolgise in advance as i am a bit on edge...

Missed my job interview by half an hour got to go back tomorrow, Probally wont get the job... Fucking raging

Just explain why you wernt there and if they hold that against you then their not worth working for.

[trcygrdn]

I understand what you mean... But if you were a policeman and a lad arrived, Cuts and bruises all over his face and his wrist etc... Probally even bruising to the stomach when he was kicked...

Would you not atleast have the decency to say ''Right he needs medical attention''... You wouldnt just drop him off in his cell and say night night...

I know daryl was in pain... And i dont care what anyone says, This is why i know he didnt deserve any of this

I fully understand why you're angry. I think I am being dense...did he refuse medical attention as I can't see this anywhere? If he did refuse treatment then there is absolutely nothing the police can do. If they had forced a doctor on him that would've been assult....but tbh maybe this would've been the more sensible option. To be faced with possible assult complaint or have a dead lad's conscience on your hands...
xx

[Frosty]

I fully understand why you're angry. I think I am being dense...did he refuse medical attention as I can't see this anywhere? If he did refuse treatment then there is absolutely nothing the police can do. If they had forced a doctor on him that would've been assult....but tbh maybe this would've been the more sensible option. To be faced with possible assult complaint or have a dead lad's conscience on your hands...
xx

He refused medical attention in Dornoch ( Friday Night about 11-12pm at night )

He then was involved in a fight in Golspie ( Saturday night ) Where he was then lifted and taken to the cells... Noone is going to know if he asked for the attention or not..

As i said, He had a big bad rep behind him... But even still do you think he deserved to suffer if he did... Which i think he did :(

[djrem]

Robs a good kid and ive known him for months.

Robs said already that there are three incidents.

1. First fight. This is when the police offered medical treatment and Daryl ran off

2. 8 miles later. Another "fight" - more a beating of Daryl by some from the first session.

3. Police arrest Daryl and place him in a cell.


Medical attention is only mentioned once.
The police at incidents 1 and 2 are unlikely to be the same.


Human Rights:

Examples of rights and freedoms which are often thought of as human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and social, cultural and economic rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education.

If they denied him medical attention when placing him in the cell. He was refused his basic human right.

[Frosty]

Robs a good kid and ive known him for months.

Robs said already that there are three incidents.

1. First fight. This is when the police offered medical treatment and Daryl ran off

2. 8 miles later. Another "fight" - more a beating of Daryl by some from the first session.

3. Police arrest Daryl and place him in a cell.


Medical attention is only mentioned once.
The police at incidents 1 and 2 are unlikely to be the same.


Human Rights:

Examples of rights and freedoms which are often thought of as human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and social, cultural and economic rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education.

If they denied him medical attention when placing him in the cell. He was refused his basic human right.

Thanks rem <3!

The police should of been aware from the first instance ''Right this boy has been in a fight'' Its not like he went home he doesnt have a fucking home up here... He obviously went to mates, Then to the pub or something as it was night he got lifted...

So saturday night - Again lifted, Police had him, Doctor or nurse should of been called to examine his conditions, I dont give a fuck if he refused, You can tell if someone is badly beaten up... He barely knew where he was on friday...

What im getting at is... You could tell he was bad enough to need medical treatment, Yet noone helped him?

[Darlo-paul]

Sound like a real bummer sorry to hear of your loss

[trcygrdn]

He refused medical attention in Dornoch ( Friday Night about 11-12pm at night )

He then was involved in a fight in Golspie ( Saturday night ) Where he was then lifted and taken to the cells... Noone is going to know if he asked for the attention or not..

As i said, He had a big bad rep behind him... But even still do you think he deserved to suffer if he did... Which i think he did :(

As you say no-one knows if he refused med attention. Was he in the cells a long time before they realised he had died? They may have been waiting for docs to arrive? The police can sometimes be arseholes but I don't think they would've left him to teach him a lesson as it'd be a case of 'see ya, game over, don't let the door hit you on the way out' for copper(s) involved. I've come accross a few pain in the ass patients' before now but have to treat every person the same as the next....a persons well being and my career outweigh the need to be judgemental. So I don't think any cop that values his/her career would jeopardise it to teach someone a lesson...just a thought.
If it was a bleed in the brain I really doubt he would've suffered...not that that's much of a consolation :hug:
xx

[D8N_LL]

r.i.p dude, sad story

[djrem]

If it was a bleed in the brain I really doubt he would've suffered...not that that's much of a consolation :hug:
xx

but the 48hours preceeding I'd call suffering.

[Frosty]

but the 48hours preceeding I'd call suffering.

Aye...

I guess its just a two way game... Me and rem are on the same boat we beleive what we beleive..

And then others beleive what they beleive.. Which is fine

I just dont think whats happened is right, He's 19 he had been inolved in 2 serious fights, Hes been put in the cells i thought police are meant to check on inmates who are drunk or have been taking drugs?

So why was he different? And if they were waiting for a doctor why didnt they sit with him if he was that bad?

[Krys_23]

Fucking hell.. I drive around Golspie every weekend. Got told it was a 30 year old man, Some crazy shit goes on these days. R.I.P