VTR for a first car?

[Craddock]

is this dumb? Opinions

[Saxo_theedge]

Abit.

Lack of driving skill and experience. And a nippy car. Could result in a tree

If your a mature driver though i dont think it would be.

[Craddock]

Yeah, I'm mature. Just use it to go work and to the missus's. I learnt in a 1.5 and I controlled it well. I taken driving lessons for ages because I kept putting off my theory or either jacking it up.

Main reason, just want a small first car. Mum saw how much it would be for me to go on her insurance (1.6 Ford Focus) and it was £900. Which isn't bad at all for a 1.6/first car.

Want a black saxo, furio or VTR, so hard to find a local furio though.

[djflipsaxo]

dont see why not, good insurance, tax etc etc
i have a nice one for sale.....

[Mattt-VTR]

My first car was a focus zetec 2.0 ( my dad's car )

And my VTR is my first car that is mine, don't think it is dumb at all, as long as you drive it sensible and plus it ain't excactly a skyline tbf.

[bridgesvtr90]

i have a vtr, first car. no probs

[---RoBsTeRz---]

yea kinda m8, i started off with a furio and then got a vtr after 1 year
best way i think!"!

[Predator_R32]

a definate no from me tbh, just dumb really, insurance costs way too high if your going on your own insurance which you should do to build up your no claims

[Josh250391]

I have a vtr for my first car and have had it for 6months and not one bumb at all. If ya get the chance take it but be careful

[bridgesvtr90]

other than insurance ive enjoyed my vtr, great first car, as long as you dont drive like a tw@ you should be fine

[HollyAnne]

im hoping to get one as a first car :) insurance is just under £1600 but ill pay it all at once with my car crash money :)

xXx

[Mr_X]

i think i would have been to immature if i have a vtr for my 1st car.

[Craddock]

Insurance is like £900 on my mums and i get my No Claims still.

[Dazza1]

Their great cars mate, I would go for it just be mature:y:!

[Liam_]

Cost me £2k for fully comp insurance at 17... never again. If it was me, I'd get a 1.1 for a year or two and make the jump to a VTS.

[Ashleyp]

Abit.

Lack of driving skill and experience. And a nippy car. Could result in a tree

If your a mature driver though i dont think it would be.

agreed

very rare that a 17 year old just passing their test has their head screwed on enough

its face that young people on average cant handle powerful cars

ive seen it a million times on here

"went round a bend, lost control spun 180 hit a tree and bye bye saxo"

[Paul]

I had a VTR as a first car at 17.

Paid 3,650 insurance.

I'm now 19 and still driving a VTR, really good little cars. Paying 1,500 insurance now.

[Marshy]

Cant see any reason why you shouldnt get a VTR for you're first car, the insurance is a little high but not too bad. Myself I had a 1.1 Saxo as my first car, loved it, kept it for nearly four years before getting the Ibiza

[Ashleyp]

i think i would have been to immature if i have a vtr for my 1st car.

same here mate

since buying my vtr ive grown up a LOT

[dispin]

Insurance is like £900 on my mums and i get my No Claims still.

Thats kind of your answer imo. Cheap insurance and you get no claims. I got one for a first car but im 19 in 4 months

[Elliott]

Its a no no mate.
Ive started off with a 1.5D and that does me fine.
Im good at driving, but i can get alot better.

Next car is gonna be a seat ibiza or a golf GTI anyways.

[James_Skylit]

Im getting one for a first car,

is 1.9k insurance for me though, im 18

But i know that im sensible, and not going to misuse the car.

[bridgesvtr90]

agreed

very rare that a 17 year old just passing their test has their head screwed on enough

its face that young people on average cant handle powerful cars

ive seen it a million times on here

"went round a bend, lost control spun 180 hit a tree and bye bye saxo"

i think its not that rare tbh, VTR's arent powerhouses really
also loads of 1.1s etc get written off by new drives

[Ashleyp]

i think its not that rare tbh, VTR's arent powerhouses really
also loads of 1.1s etc get written off by new drives

most young people cant drive well.. thats fact, its backed up by the fact your insurance is higer at a young age than it is when your older

[Liam_]

1.1 drivers always have something to prove in my experience - seem more nutters driving those than VTRs etc.

If you've got the cash then by all means go for it - just keep a level head when you're out driving and don't take unnecessary risks. Had my VTR a year and a half and I'm by no means bored of it.

[HollyAnne]

i would look after a vtr better than i would a 1.1...dont want a scratch on my girly

[Shellz]

I've got one for my first Car!

I'll probably drive like a Granny at first. :P I'm used to learning in a 1.6 207. But the Saxo deffo seams quicker!

[Liam_]

They are very chuckable cars - just have to be sensible and not get carried away. :)

[James_Skylit]

1.1 drivers always have something to prove in my experience - seem more nutters driving those than VTRs etc.



Thats ttue man, one of my mates is an idiot with his 1.0l saxo, trys overtaking in it (Which is scary, you just pray it finds that extra few mph to get past in time)

Sadly hes got 6 points already and is trying to fight the police for his liscense saying your not aloud to hide with a speed gun..

idk.

[Mr_X]

Ashleyp has a good point.

its unquestionable that you will be more likely to crash driving a vtr/s as your first car rather then a 1.1.

[Craddock]

Thats kind of your answer imo. Cheap insurance and you get no claims. I got one for a first car but im 19 in 4 months

Aye, I'm 19 in... 2 months.

[Shellz]

They are very chuckable cars - just have to be sensible and not get carried away. :)

I kind of found that out. Going round a corner, lol!

[grantlowery]

I had a VTR as a first car at 17.

Paid 3,650 insurance.

I'm now 19 and still driving a VTR, really good little cars. Paying 1,500 insurance now.

jesus, im 19, paying 650 for mine.

[James]

I had a VTR as my first car, I bought it when I was 16.. was 17 when I passed my test... I still have it to this day. Gets sold in 10 days though :'(

The only thing I regret is the insurance, first 2 years I got raped for it on my own policy, It's only this year dropped to 800 quid fully comp.

[nicky_boy]

VTR is my first car, love it.
insurance is a bitchhh but just be sensible and its all good! :y:

[Paul]

jesus, im 19, paying 650 for mine.

Your not from the ghetto ;)

[Shellz]

jesus, im 19, paying 650 for mine.

I'll be paying £850 if i go with Bell. Everyone else want like £1,300!

[James]

Your not from the ghetto ;)

Agreed, just read you paid the same as me for the first year.. high five.

What a waste of money :'(

[Ashleyp]

Ashleyp has a good point.

its unquestionable that you will be more likely to crash driving a vtr/s as your first car rather then a 1.1.

exactly

its the whole reason insurance groups exist

group 7 vtr cost more than a group 3 1.1 because its more poweful etc

[James]

exactly

its the whole reason insurance groups exist

group 7 vtr cost more than a group 3 1.1 because its more poweful etc

Insurance groups are bollocks mate lol...

Last year I could get insured on a clio v6 for the same as my vtr.. go figure.

[Mr_X]

Insurance groups are bollocks mate lol...

Last year I could get insured on a clio v6 for the same as my vtr.. go figure.

:S:S:S

[Ashleyp]

Insurance groups are bollocks mate lol...

Last year I could get insured on a clio v6 for the same as my vtr.. go figure.

did the insurance company tell you that directly?

because often online quotes are miles out ;)

either way.. back to the point, vtr as a 1st car isnt "stupid" as such, just not the most sensible option imo

fair enough people have had them and not crashed, but its still known fact that younger drivers cant driver that well, so is best to start with a 1.1 imo

[alex19]

I just can't see justification to playing 3500 quid to insurance your car, that's like 2.5 times what it's worth. Such a waste IMO.

[James]

:S:S:S

exactlly what went through my mind :P,

Do some random insurance quotes on fast cars.. you would be suprised.

[Matt]

Cost me £2k for fully comp insurance at 17... never again. If it was me, I'd get a 1.1 for a year or two and make the jump to a VTS.

Exactly what im doin

[Mr_X]

exactlly what went through my mind :P,

Do some random insurance quotes on fast cars.. you would be suprised.

surprising considering they're notorious for killing you.

[James]

surprising considering they're notorious for killing you.

More the phase 1's than the phase 2's lol.. can't beat a bit of RWD fun though man.

MR2 Turbo.. would love one.

[Paul]

Agreed, just read you paid the same as me for the first year.. high five.

What a waste of money :'(

Hi Fiveeee :afro:

The amount of jailbait attention i got from having a VTR at 17 was amazing though :cool: :wink:

[James]

Hi Fiveeee :afro:

The amount of jailbait attention i got from having a VTR at 17 was amazing though :cool: :wink:

I had a bodykit on mine :fcuk:.. twas the shit back in the day. The little chav girls (underage) loved it.

[Ashleyp]

More the phase 1's than the phase 2's lol.. can't beat a bit of RWD fun though man.

MR2 Turbo.. would love one.

cousins got a jap import mr2, twin turbo iirc

ridiculously fast :P

[JRC1]

Surely a Furio is better for a first car..

1. Lower insurance

2. Alot less common

3. Will get alot more for it than a VTR when you come to sell

[Berg]

i dont think its a bad idea if your not planning on being a dick,

my cheapest quote on a 1.1 was 1400 and the vtr was only 1600 which is why i obviously went for that

then i had one as a second car, payed the same insurance
renewal after 1 year was only 900 at 18

now have a vts and paying 1300 at 19

next year i think im getting a gti-r, looove them

[Ashleyp]

Surely a Furio is better for a first car..

1. Lower insurance

2. Alot less common

3. Will get alot more for it than a VTR when you come to sell

1. agreed

2. dont see why that matters, same shape car, smaller engine :S

3. no, unless in better condition than the R

[JRC1]

1. agreed

2. dont see why that matters, same shape car, smaller engine :S

3. no, unless in better condition than the R

Well when I was searching for a Saxo. 99% of the VTR's had double the mileage of the Furio's and just seemed to be alot more common. I'm probably biased as I have a Furio but I just feel for a first car, due to them being less common, you will claw back more money for the furio when you come to sell than you would a VTR, especially if the VTR has alot of mileage.

[Steve_90]

had my VTR for my first car, learnt in it too. i dont see the problem, insurance was 1200 TPFT for the first year.
all depends on driver though really.

[JC-Furio]

I think you'd personally be fine in it. You can sort of tell the people that are going to act twats in cars. As said, it's not exactly like sticking you with a monster with 300bhp or anything.

End of the day, any car can be potentially dangerous, it's down to the driver. Drive it sensibly, chances are you'll be fine, drive it like a complete cunt and you know what will happen.

[Krys_23]

a definate no from me tbh, just dumb really, insurance costs way too high if your going on your own insurance which you should do to build up your no claims

I agree, Bought mine when i was 16 and it was the biggest mistake of my life.

[Ashleyp]

Well when I was searching for a Saxo. 99% of the VTR's had double the mileage of the Furio's and just seemed to be alot more common. I'm probably biased as I have a Furio but I just feel for a first car, due to them being less common, you will claw back more money for the furio when you come to sell than you would a VTR, especially if the VTR has alot of mileage.

nah, i agree that a furios better 1st car than an R, simply because of same shape, nippy car, cheap to run and good insurance :)

[immense]

VTR is my first car, if you're sensible/mature then you'll be fine. If you think you're invincible, you'll end up six feet under. Good'ay.

[dobbo_1]

if you can afford a vtr get one mate just dont rag it or will probably end up in a ditch

[CampDavid]

A VTR isn't some kind of raging beast, it is no harder to drive than a Furio.

If you twat about in cars you'll inevitabley crash. It'll just happen a bit sooner if you have a quick car

[Stickyjam]

ive got a vtr for my first car for the simple fact of it being a very local find, low mileage for £1k... + im 20 on saturday and wanted a car to last 2 years...

[Pat_Vts]

I'll be paying £850 if i go with Bell. Everyone else want like £1,300!

in full only

monthly see it go up alot

stupid company bell

[Pat_Vts]

had a VTR at 17... payed £580 full comp or something silly under mums name

brilliant fun chuckable car although i had 2 bumps in it both not serious...

decided to treat myself to a saxo VTS... at 18 and paying £1700 full comp to insure this, i would say VTR is good but if your stretching to afford to insure the vtr in the 1st place, i wouldnt really and VTRs arent quick, as said millions of times its the driver...

me being 18 with a VTS i am kinda regretting paying that much to insure it but its in full and been done just im not sure if i would pay that much to insure a saxo again... and i doubt many would pay that to insure a saxo...

however a clio 182 cup im sure most would:P

[rey]

i bought my VTR at 16, been driving it since december last year...

only issue i've had with the thing is running costs.

its down to the driver, you cant just stereotype them all together.

[Prickle]

i dont think its dumb tbh, if i had a chance of a vtr or "s" i would of taking it :) but my 1.1i is fast enough for were i drive etc

[Ash-VTR]

makes me laugh people are warning of getting a vtr!

apart from insurance being expensive, people warning of the vtr's perfromance!

i means its a 9 second 0-60 car, its not really a handful

[alex19]

So basically everyone says,

If your a silly driver, your going to crash. If you take your time to gain experience, your a win.

[Ash-VTR]

hah yeh

[RS125RACER]

same with any vehicle, it only goes as fast as you make it go :)

[alanrichie]

dont see why not, good insurance, tax etc etc
i have a nice one for sale.....

rofl biased reply

give me your monies

[Andy_VT]

i would go for a furio if i was you, abit cheaper then the VTR, lower horsepower, lower insurance group, smaller engine..

[shooorn94]

Depends how sensilbe you feel you are really.

Anything can happen, even the most sensible of people get caught out by pushing themselves to the limits too much.

A 1.1 is fairly nippy for a first car and considerring how unsafe saxo's are it's not too harmful. A furio for a first car is even better if you can afford the insurance and the styling appeals to most.

However the general appeal of the vtr is that it can go faster than a 1.1 or 1.4 which most newer drivers own. But it is still cheap-ish on insurance.

You're asking whether it's silly as a first car, just ask yourself whether you will or won't be tempted by your mates to floor it every so often. If you have this feeling that you will be, look elsewhere for your own safety :y:

[Steve]

is this dumb? Opinions

No, had one for my first car.

Was cheaper to insure than a shitty 1.2 corsa.

Wrote it off after a year then got a VTS.

Depends on YOUR insurance and how good a driver you are and if your going to rag it around like a cunt.

[jacko87]

Don't see why not mate, aslong as you have the money and common sense then you will be fine :y:

[harvey]

ive got a vtr and im 17. ive had no problems im a reasonably safe driver i cba with idiots who cant drive crashing giving us all a bad name

[weeguyno7]

mines is VTR for my first car. going under my mums name, and still 1500!!! WITH her no claims transferred onto it. but i love my VTR so much its unreal. u just need to remember u have quite a bit of power. had mine since january and passed in feb. wouldnt change it for the world.

[Aaron]

i had a vtr as first car.
no problem with me
take your time imo.
learn to feel the car
its not like you HAVE to use the pedal
its just there incase.

[Craddock]

People saying get a furio... there hard to find locally and quite expensive, whereas you could get a VTR for cheaper, and have a lot wide range of choice.

[Jazz]

Great first cars, if you're not a nutter. Not overly powerful but gutsy enough, light and nimble, plus insurance group 7 isn't too excessive depending on where you live etc.

Just that sometimes you get some crazy twats getting them and thinking they're racers, but be sensible and a VTR would make a cracking little first car.

Failing that a Furio or Westie is a good choice to consider.

[tobyk]

At the end of the day

They are about the same performance as a 1.4 16v Mk4 Polo, 1.4 16v Corsa C, 1.4 16v Clio, etc etc

A VTR is not a fast car in the slightest, but handle better than most things people get for their first cars. I can run rings round most things if I want to on proper roads.

Insurance doesn't seem to bad? I'm 19 though and it's my 5th car haha. Just under £600 fully comp.

[Jazz]

Very good insurance price above. I reckon for the money the VTR is perhaps one of the finest first cars for the sensible, fun-seeking driver.

[dispin]

A new driver driving a 1.2 corsa to the limit is the same as driving a vtr to the limit. You will eventually crash...you just might not survive the vtr crash. So the performance is pointless imo, its the driver that makes it dangerous.

[Steve]

At the end of the day

They are about the same performance as a 1.4 16v Mk4 Polo, 1.4 16v Corsa C, 1.4 16v Clio, etc etc



simply not true........

[Jazz]

end of the day, if you drive like a tit you'll crash a 800cc matiz. Be sensible behind the wheel of any car and you're alright. Attitude is paramount here.

[tobyk]

simply not true........

lol ok then

Around a half second difference to 60, i'd call that similar, and within 3-4 mph top speeds, I'd also call that similar.

Are you going to prove me wrong?

[endlesstimes]

just buy one mate worth banging about in it for a bit..

[scottyvtr]

lol ok then

Around a half second difference to 60, i'd call that similar, and within 3-4 mph top speeds, I'd also call that similar.

Are you going to prove me wrong?

pmpl i will though

Polo '02 plate 1.4 Sport (100ps) 3d (05) 10.6 s 116 mph 98 bhp

Saxo 1.6i VTR 3d (99) 9.1 s 120 mph 100 bhp

1.5 secs tbh sssshhhhhh

Edit: renault 1.4 16V Dynamique 3d 10.9 s 114 mph 96 bhp

Edit Edit: corsa 1.4i 16V SXi 3d 11.8 s 107 mph 88 bhp

[tobyk]

pmpl i will though

Polo '02 plate 1.4 Sport (100ps) 3d (05) 10.6 s 116 mph 98 bhp

Saxo 1.6i VTR 3d (99) 9.1 s 120 mph 100 bhp

1.5 secs tbh sssshhhhhh

Edit: renault 1.4 16V Dynamique 3d 10.9 s 114 mph 96 bhp

Edit Edit: corsa 1.4i 16V SXi 3d 11.8 s 107 mph 88 bhp

See, you're wrong

Because I purposely said Mk4 Polo, and Corsa C

The Mk4 Polo 16v is officially 10.2 to 60, but trust me, they are faster than VTRs, and the Corsa C 1.4 16v is around 100 bhp, and around 10s to 60.

And I was actually on about Mk1 VTRs, so again, around 10 seconds to 60.

Noob :p

[jmc]

ive got a vts for my first car, been driving it for bout 6 months now, no accident yet lol. its your right foot that creates accidents not the car!

[scottyvtr]

See, you're wrong

Because I purposely said Mk4 Polo, and Corsa C

The Mk4 Polo 16v is officially 10.2 to 60, but trust me, they are faster than VTRs, and the Corsa C 1.4 16v is around 100 bhp, and around 10s to 60.

And I was actually on about Mk1 VTRs, so again, around 10 seconds to 60.

Noob :p

VTR 9.1 so how are any of those faster to 60???????????

and actually you never said tbh so be clear on what your saying noooooob!!!!!

[A7X_KK]

See, you're wrong

Because I purposely said Mk4 Polo, and Corsa C

The Mk4 Polo 16v is officially 10.2 to 60, but trust me, they are faster than VTRs, and the Corsa C 1.4 16v is around 100 bhp, and around 10s to 60.

And I was actually on about Mk1 VTRs, so again, around 10 seconds to 60.

Noob :p

The Polo's weight alot more than Vtrs, vtr 950kg? polo 1500 kg.?

[dobbo_1]

See, you're wrong

Because I purposely said Mk4 Polo, and Corsa C

The Mk4 Polo 16v is officially 10.2 to 60, but trust me, they are faster than VTRs, and the Corsa C 1.4 16v is around 100 bhp, and around 10s to 60.

And I was actually on about Mk1 VTRs, so again, around 10 seconds to 60.

Noob :p

he is the noob yet you have 70 odd posts lol vtr is quicker than all of them tbh its all about weight, my mate has a mk4 polo 1.4 and he can not keep up to save his life

[jzink]

insurnce will ipe you out

[tobyk]

I shouldn't have to clear myself up here but there we go... Saxo forums I suppose?

1) I think you'll find I did specifically say Mk4 Polo and Corsa C, I can't exactly edit my posts so if you actually read then you'll see I did say.

2) Mk4 Polo 1500kg? LOL! A fucking Golf R32 doesn't even weigh that much!

3) Mk4 Polo 16v = 980 kg and 100 bhp. About 10 seconds to 60.

4) Mk1 VTR (which I didn't initially say, but did later, and is what I meant) is about 10 seconds to 60 as well. The Mk2s are 9.1 (apparently) but Mk1s aren't.

5) I NEVER said they were faster. I said similar.

I think you might just need a pair of glasses.

[tobyk]

he is the noob yet you have 70 odd posts lol vtr is quicker than all of them tbh its all about weight, my mate has a mk4 polo 1.4 and he can not keep up to save his life

8v I guess?

[VtrIrl]

First car vtr aswell..happy man!!!!!!!

[AM4R]

its ok if you dont drive like a twat. Ive got a civic ek3 after i passed and its good. And i learnt in a 1.1 saxo. Same as a vtr performance wise, maybe a tad quicker.

[Jules]

I shouldn't have to clear myself up here but there we go... Saxo forums I suppose?

I think you might just need a pair of glasses.

Why have you come on here pitching for an arguement. There's 3 people on this page, that I can see, that are disagreeing with your clearly wrong statements.

Please dont insult us by saying "saxo forums I suppose" and need a pair of glasses" People are just expressing there opinions.


I drive a VTR and my Mother-in-Law has a Polo, there nothing alike tbh.

[tobyk]

Why have you come on here pitching for an arguement. There's 3 people on this page, that I can see, that are disagreeing with your clearly wrong statements.

Please dont insult us by saying "saxo forums I suppose" and need a pair of glasses" People are just expressing there opinions.


I drive a VTR and my Mother-in-Law has a Polo, there nothing alike tbh.

I haven't come on pitching for an argument. I made a comment that VTRs aren't much faster than certain other cars that people could have for their first cars, and it was picked apart. So I'm just defending myself.

:y:

[xbabii_gurlx]

i wouldt for a first your get to cocky and crash id get a saxo furio 1.4 or 1.1i untill you get use to driving and then get some ncb and then get a vtr better then killing urself lol i have a 1.1i for me first will prob get a vtr in a few years sometimes speed goes to your head

[timmorley123]

I have just got my VTR, its my first car aswell, love it to bits!

http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbumBig.jsp?MemberId=3498402744&PhotoAlbumId=9440878533&PhotoId=9440887244

Oh and here's my racing one, racing in stock hatch next year

http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbumBig.jsp?PageNbr=1&MemberId=3498402744&PhotoAlbumId=9440878533&PhotoId=9440910214

hope you like
tim

[lukowski14]

i turned 17 in August but haven't been in a job since and so haven't got the money to buy the mrk 2 VTR i have wanted for a few years now, pretty certain thats what i want, and yes i'll be a mature driver ( pretty much ) but the insurence is a killer, real concern for me !

[Claire-VTR]

Na i dont think its dumb, as long as you dont act dumb :P

Ive had my VTR for my first car, I got my insurance in my own name and started building my no claims, as long as insurance isnt silly money for you then i dont see why not?

Its a nippy enough wee car at the start but you get used to it, like any other.
Its not really the car you drive but they way you drive, as im sure you know.

Theres a wee fella lives near me, drives like an absolute rare git, he's crashed 1 litre fiestas in as many months, but he'll never learn.

Just behave! :P

[Claire-VTR]

oopps i meant to say he's crashed 2 1litre fiestas in as many months, sorry!

[alanrichie]

See, you're wrong

Because I purposely said Mk4 Polo, and Corsa C

The Mk4 Polo 16v is officially 10.2 to 60, but trust me, they are faster than VTRs, and the Corsa C 1.4 16v is around 100 bhp, and around 10s to 60.

And I was actually on about Mk1 VTRs, so again, around 10 seconds to 60.

Noob :p

oh fucking dear.

[Davekelz]

I had a VTR as a first car at 17.

Paid 3,650 insurance.

I'm now 19 and still driving a VTR, really good little cars. Paying 1,500 insurance now.

Are you being serious mate? I had my VTR as my first car and paid around £1600!

I'd get one, as long as you don't drive like an ass.

[lukowski14]

Are you being serious mate? I had my VTR as my first car and paid around £1600!

I'd get one, as long as you don't drive like an ass.

when was that ? who with ?

[Davekelz]

Quinn-direct mate.

[Ocego_VTR]

if you want to go ditch hunting yes get a vtr, if you want to just cruise around just get a furio for a year.

[dobbo_1]

just because he wants a vtr doesnt mean he will rag it like a little chav

[lukowski14]

Quinn-direct mate.

thats a great quote, cheers !

just because he wants a vtr doesnt mean he will rag it like a little chav

exactly, same with me, i'd hate to hurt my sax !

[Craddock]

I'm not a chav, I ain't going to rag it. Just to get from A to B. Surprised this thread still alive lol.

Think I will be going with a VTR though.

[HG2Tobes]

i got a VTR for me first car....i am 19 though...lol