Focus ST/RS

[Viper]

bonjour ladies

whats the difference between the engines on the ST and the RS?

cheearse

[leeroybrown]

rs is 2.0 turbo.. basically a mondeo engine with a turbo

st 2.5 turbo old volvo engine

[leeroybrown]

And there was the ST170 which is a 2.0 na

[Rob_Furio7]

rs is 2.0 turbo.. basically a mondeo engine with a turbo

st 2.5 turbo old volvo engine

lol loveable fords

[leeroybrown]

Dont get me wrong the old volvo engine is dream...I;d love one

[Matt67]

about 500cc? i think

[Viper]

so the ST is faster than the RS?! i thought it was the other way round :panic:

cheers son

[CHIP]

about 500cc? i think

I hope your joking lol. As Leeroy said :y: Although my dad's driven afew ST170's and says for what they are, they're slow. Which mus have dissapointed him as he's a Ford man through and through.

[leeroybrown]

Both pretty much the same although the st I think is more tuneable

[Viper]

so whats the point of the RS then?! lol

i take it ur on about the current RS, not the new shape one, yeah?

[bullit]

because the st didnt exist when the rs came out ;)

[CHIP]

Yea, he's on about the current RS. Which was out before the ST. That's the point of it lol. Hopefully the new one is going to look better than the ST and be abit more exclusive. Anyone got any info regarding that sort of stuff?

[Cal]

www.google.com

Regards,
Simo

[Andy_K]

New RS looks like a beefed up version of the ST. Saw a couple on Sunday. Looks really nice, apart from in the slightly dodgy green colour they now come in.

[Viper]

thankyou children

seen a picture of a new RS on pistonheads in blue. looks gorgeous. and i agree it looks like an ST on steroids

[yorkie]

there it a 400bhp st model forgot what its called tho.....

[LeeM]

original focus rs is 2.0 4 cyl turbo 200ish bhp
original st is 2.0 4 cyl na with 170bhp.
new focus rs is 2.5 5 cyl turbo 300bhp i think
new focus st is 2.5 5 cyl turbo with 240bhp i think

[leeroybrown]

Yorkie your telling fibs lol

[yorkie]

tony got one was talking to him at the weekend its sum tuning companys limted ed

[JoshB]

original focus rs is 2.0 4 cyl turbo 200ish bhp
original st is 2.0 4 cyl na with 170bhp.
new focus rs is 2.5 5 cyl turbo 300bhp i think
new focus st is 2.5 5 cyl turbo with 240bhp i think

Close, original RS 212, latest ST 222

[LeeM]

Close, original RS 212, latest ST 222

wah close enough for me, was just of the top of my head im not really a ford fan

[d4r3n]

focus st 170 aint even worth driving imo, the old rs feels more quicker then the current st but the new rs looks mad

[ne_jam]

yea yorkie theres a german company that does em wolf somthing or other

[Jazz]

You can get a dealer approved Mountune performance package for the Focus ST, bumps power up to 256bhp, costs £1120.

Edit- WOLF tuning does a package for the ST, 300bhp and 295 ft lb torque.

[leeroybrown]

And so do red code

[Jamie]

Wolf is now known as Code red iirc

The new RS is a tuned ST lump with LSD; 300bhp
Old 2.0 Turbo as said a Mondy lol 212bhp although most were around 230+ as std
ST = Volvo lump, 2.5 5cyl Turbo 225bhp some were around 230+ as std

The Std ST vs Std old RS St would nab it unless it was a lemon lol, id expect a std ST to get spit roasted by the 09plater lol

ST DS race plus Vs Montune gear times are here, DSCI is what 99% of stoc run and its quicker then Race+ they are around 270Bhp Ds race plus is a std car mapped Montune is Mapped K+N filter & bigger intercooler.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/Funkmeister/MountuneVsDSRacev2.jpg
Btw

just because im a slag

Richard Meaden from Evo mag said about there long term tuned ST;

In third gear the ST gets from 30-50mph in just 2.1sec, and from 50-70mph in 2.4sec. In fourth gear it dispatches 50-70mph in 3.0secs dead and 80-100mph in 4.6sec. This is especially impressive when you consider a Mitsubishi Evo X takes 3.3 and 5.2sec for the same increments, while an Impreza STI takes a tardy 5.0 and 5.4sec
respectively. Quite simply a Subarishi driver wouldn't see the ST for dust in a battle of in-gear roll-on grunt.

Taken off ST-OC x

[David]

tony got one was talking to him at the weekend its sum tuning companys limted ed

LAD motorsport iirc

[leeroybrown]

HA HA

LAD my good god!

Jamie Jamie Jamie

Give me a go of your car

[Jamie]

Lee, as i wont be attending FCS i think Trax will be where you can give her a go mate :)

Mine should hopefully be quicker then a DS car though as i have some more components lol

Defo need to upgrade my intercooler and buy a down pipe asapppp,

One thing i kinda dont like about the car is the pops, if im running a little late at 7 in the morning and just tap the
acclerator as you do BANG really loud people must hate me by now lolz.

[Jazz]

In third gear the ST gets from 30-50mph in just 2.1sec, and from 50-70mph in 2.4sec. In fourth gear it dispatches 50-70mph in 3.0secs dead and 80-100mph in 4.6sec. This is especially impressive when you consider a Mitsubishi Evo X takes 3.3 and 5.2sec for the same increments, while an Impreza STI takes a tardy 5.0 and 5.4sec
respectively. Quite simply a Subarishi driver wouldn't see the ST for dust in a battle of in-gear roll-on grunt.

Taken off ST-OC x

Yeah but what power is this ST running? Can't be standard. Had a look on Evo.co.uk long termers and couldn't find it...

[Jamie]

Yeah but what power is this ST running? Can't be standard. Had a look on Evo.co.uk long termers and couldn't find it...

Its the Montune ST il try and locate it thats the 260 ps x

[Jazz]

Its the Montune ST il try and locate it thats the 260 ps x

Ahh right. Thats mighty impressive figures for the Mountune model :y:

[Jamie]

Hmm i cant seem to find a link i think it might have been in an issue of the mag i will enquire with the person who posted on SToc and see lol

[Heliosphan]

Those figures for the STI look way out.

Performance Car tested the Subaru in November last year and in STANDARD form it posted (30-50) in 2.9 seconds (3rd gear) and 1.9 seconds (2nd gear).

Like with any figures, you can make them work to your advantage if you try hard enough. Not saying your car is slow by any means but I'd go with the Subaru anyday.

How do the 0-60 times compare Jamie ?

[Jamie]

Well i havent timed it but my god does this thing move since the mods.

It was fairly quick as std but now im yet to meet a car quicker. (not saying its untouchable) its around 290bhp hoping for 300bhp if i hit rollers.

And just for the record ive played with scoobs and i was best with just DS at the time. &&&& my mum owns one so i know how quick they can be..

[Jazz]

Well i havent timed it but my god does this thing move since the mods.

It was fairly quick as std but now im yet to meet a car quicker. (not saying its untouchable) its around 290bhp hoping for 300bhp if i hit rollers.

And just for the record ive played with scoobs and i was best with just DS at the time. &&&& my mum owns one so i know how quick they can be..

How effective is it at getting the power down? Is it a mission off the line?

[Jamie]

How effective is it at getting the power down? Is it a mission off the line?

On any road other then a dry one yeh lol its a mission, nah tbf its bad but it can be done if your gentle :P

But when you do get that road omg, anyway i dont race it around however when i give it some in gear its so quick,

I really love this car, usually after a yr i get shot but i actually want to keep it?

[MR_N]

a bit off topic but id like to point out that the 09 rs looks stunning if anyone has seen one, if you aint look down:
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/2009-Ford-Focus-RS-09-800.jpg

[Jazz]

On any road other then a dry one yeh lol its a mission, nah tbf its bad but it can be done if your gentle :P

But when you do get that road omg, anyway i dont race it around however when i give it some in gear its so quick,

I really love this car, usually after a yr i get shot but i actually want to keep it?

Good stuff, I imagined it would be a bit of a beast off the mark with that mammoth power.. But once you're rolling yeah must be mad.

Clutch must take a beating :P (or is it uprated?)

[Jamie]

Good stuff, I imagined it would be a bit of a beast off the mark with that mammoth power.. But once you're rolling yeah must be mad.

Clutch must take a beating :P (or is it uprated?)

Clutch takes it like a bitch lol,

I havent had no slipping so its all good, when it does then il have to upgrade i guess lolz

[Ocego_VTR]

Focus ST's are quick those results look really good but jaime your comparing a stnd evo and scooby against a modified focus st put the same sort of gains on a Evo or Scoob and itll just leave the ST for dead.

[Jamie]

Focus ST's are quick those results look really good but jaime your comparing a stnd evo and scooby against a modified focus st put the same sort of gains on a Evo or Scoob and itll just leave the ST for dead.

Hmm how to word without looking like im arguing lol...

Ok tbf whats the bhp of a std STI now days?

Parkers example may not be the best?; 05-07 plate - 2.5l WRX STi Type UK 276 bhp & the 08 plates are 300hpssss.

If compared to the WRX 226BHP id say thats more of a std scoob tbh and more a match to the FWD ST 225bhp,

I was just showing how quick the ST is vs its bigger rivals with just a remap. Thats what those figres are.. DS race+ on std car.

I have a few more goodies then just the map.

The STI is the tuned version of a WRX as you know :)

Im sure a 276-300bhp std STI tuned with 1k can beat a 300bhp modded ST but it starts off as a tuned quick motor if you get me.

(Btw i love scoobs and have grown up around them and i still want one one day)

love x

[leeroybrown]

And so would a wrx 1k spent on it lol

[Jamie]

And so would a wrx 1k spent on it lol

Depends on whats bought i guess, i could have gone turbo rather then the stuff i got,.

No second hand ones about like there are for scoobs..

Erm lets say not including upgrading turbo or intercoolers or anything extreme,

Infact say exactly what ive done.

Decat,Exhaust,DV,Pannel filter,Remap & lowering (not full system so no downpipe yet)

What hp would a 226hp Rex get?

[Jazz]

Depends on whats bought i guess, i could have gone turbo rather then the stuff i got,.

No second hand ones about like there are for scoobs..

Erm lets say not including upgrading turbo or intercoolers or anything extreme,

Infact say exactly what ive done.

Decat,Exhaust,DV,Pannel filter,Remap & lowering (not full system so no downpipe yet)

What hp would a 226hp Rex get?

Hmm... I'd say around 270-280bhp from a base WRX? Sounds about right Leeroy?

[leeroybrown]

280 300...with no silly dump valve...standones can take up to 400bhp..Depending on who maps it and which wrx you use as some of the older ones come with vf trubos and would easily go over 300

Could do all that and buy the car cheaper then you could get a ST for

[Jazz]

280 300...with no silly dump valve...standones can take up to 400bhp..Depending on who maps it and which wrx you use as some of the older ones come with vf trubos and would easily go over 300

Could do all that and buy the car cheaper then you could get a ST for

Yeah if they have the VF series Turbo in that case I'd expect them to clear 300 with the right mapping..

[leeroybrown]

Just need a frp as they already come with yellow 440 injectors which come in a classic STI

[Jamie]

280 300...with no silly dump valve...standones can take up to 400bhp..Depending on who maps it and which wrx you use as some of the older ones come with vf trubos and would easily go over 300

Could do all that and buy the car cheaper then you could get a ST for

Tbh thats what i was going to do until insurance quote what a joke.

7K for insurance on a REX or buy a Focus ST in orange (my fav obs lol) and insure it for 2k and get it faster..
also 11k for the M3 i wanted.. the car was only 15k lol

No doubt if these cars wernt stupid silly insurance id have one but jesus christ how about no lol

[Jazz]

Tbh thats what i was going to do until insurance quote what a joke.

7K for insurance on a REX or buy a Focus ST in orange (my fav obs lol) and insure it for 2k and get it faster..
also 11k for the M3 i wanted.. the car was only 15k lol

No doubt if these cars wernt stupid silly insurance id have one but jesus christ how about no lol

Yeah insurance on the Scoobs is a bit of a pain, I guess its because the insurance companies know what will happen to them when the lads get their hands on them lol..

7k on a rex is mental, still can't understand.. I'm not even 21 yet and I was getting in the region of 3.3k quotes, and 2.7k on a classic Turbo.

[leeroybrown]

ha ha Unlike I paid under a 1k when I was 24

[craig180]

That green RS that Mr_N posted needs a black roof. Fact.

Of the Classic RS and new ST I would still rather have teh RS for it's exclusivity.

[craig180]

ha ha Unlike I paid under a 1k when I was 24

Is that because your insurers asked for a picture of you for reference and thought you were in your 40's ?

:p

[leeroybrown]

Just need to know where yo shop around and who to go with

Greenliight
A Plan

All do better insurance for one

[Mikey]

old Rs looks better than the focus ST,

sorry jamie lad.

[Graeme]

I'd have a old RS anyday

Really like the look of them

[Jamie]

old Rs looks better than the focus ST,

sorry jamie lad.

Thats cool id blow most Focus Rs away :P

[thadogg]

Love the old RS, hopefully one will replace my FST.

[Jamie]

Love the old RS, hopefully one will replace my FST.

They are nice but old now, i have a thing for new cars or they have to be very old for me to bother lol

11k for a decent old one with loads of miles doesnt exactly make me think yeh great rock on, id sooner blow it on a Escort cossie lol

Rs500 or Escort Cossie Now that is something worth bothering with ;)

Again insurance says no Lolz

So many better cars out there.. Insurance companys = wank

[Ocego_VTR]

Don't get me wrong i love the new focus st's but how many scoobys are standard these days,

As said before in other threads 270 -320 bhp will blow the socks off many supposedly fast cars.

I sit and dream of having a 450bhp 2.5 hawkeye STI, thinking how many so called supercars could touch it off the line.

[Jamie]

Don't get me wrong i love the new focus st's but how many scoobys are standard these days,

As said before in other threads 270 -320 bhp will blow the socks off many supposedly fast cars.

I sit and dream of having a 450bhp 2.5 hawkeye STI, thinking how many so called supercars could touch it off the line.

No doubt on the 1st of feb i will see at the pod the differences as im off to a inter-forum shootout :)

(wont be running my car)

Btw id love a 450bhp hawkeye lol