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don55
25th January 2009, 00:22
hi all, i went to my local park with a few mates today to try my hand at flash work, ona dn off camera.

most of my shots were with 2 off camera flashes (older cheap ones jsut used for remote) and a metz on camera flash.

now although im very happy with how most came out, they werent exactly what i was after, i wanted to darked the back ground much more but didnt have the flash power to get through the narrow app.

most were taken with 2/3 flashes and 1/200sec and f12-f16, any higher and i see nothing.

where am i going wrong, or am i jsut lacking flash to overpower the daylight, what flashes could i use to get a better result ?

here are a few of the best

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3361/3222931185_54987b6b63.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3262/3223859852_8bafbc2ba5.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/3222834241_85ccff2765.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3460/3223848480_41ee2212f7.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/3222797775_280e780eaf.jpg

one a bit different

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3353/3223264467_acf9c7a0b4.jpg
Barry123
25th January 2009, 00:30
a LOT better than the original flash shite you posted

:y:
Barry123
25th January 2009, 00:31
in answer to your questions...

any higher than 200/250 then you'll exceed you max. flash sync speed.

also at f/11 - f/16 you'll be demanding full power out of the flash and that may still not be enough.... get more powerful flashes :y:
don55
25th January 2009, 00:32
a LOT better than the original flash shite you posted

:y:

not sure to what you are referring, but cheers.

i think

answer my question tho bitch
don55
25th January 2009, 00:34
in answer to your questions...

any higher than 200/250 then you'll exceed you max. flash sync speed.

also at f/11 - f/16 you'll be demanding full power out of the flash and that may still not be enough.... get more powerful flashes :y:

think more powerful flashes are the only way forward. but i cant aford any so ill jsut wait till it gets a little darker. unless i can find some old manual ones that are GN50 or somehting
Barry123
25th January 2009, 00:34
oh and if you're using Canon IR to remote flash you can use the high speed sync function so you can exceed the 200/250 sync speed of the camera... but it saps power and isn't all that powerful.

Basically you can flash at up 1/8000 using it :y:
Barry123
25th January 2009, 00:35
think more powerful flashes are the only way forward. but i cant aford any so ill jsut wait till it gets a little darker. unless i can find some old manual ones that are GN50 or somehting

another thing you can do is zoom the flash head to it's maximum to increase its power... provided it still covers the subject then you're sorted :y:

for instance the 580ex isn't actually anymore powerful than the 550ex... it's just it can zoom it's head further so it has a higher flash power equivalence (Guide Number 58 as opposed to the 550's 55)
don55
25th January 2009, 00:36
yer the zoom is a good idea. my metz also does HSS but the otheres dont so no use in using it. dont really think it would help to much, but i can try.
Barry123
25th January 2009, 00:40
yer the zoom is a good idea. my metz also does HSS but the otheres dont so no use in using it. dont really think it would help to much, but i can try.

you'd be surprised man... for instance you can picture a lightbulb filament (make it look like it's just a mild glow) at 1/8000 (depending on aperture of course - but you want to keep it a low f-number anyway). and then use a flash with a filter to illuminate a background... in that instance you could use the HSS
LEE_VTR1
25th January 2009, 00:56
good pics mate, missing my bmx now.
sold it the other day as i dont ride no more
but knowing i cant go for a ride now is annoying me a little.

nice photo of the lhd profile ss cassette too mate like that photo alot
don55
25th January 2009, 01:05
good pics mate, missing my bmx now.
sold it the other day as i dont ride no more
but knowing i cant go for a ride now is annoying me a little.

nice photo of the lhd profile ss cassette too mate like that photo alot

yer its a mates bike, wanted me to shoot a few closeups of it.

here are the rest of the shots from the day

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bradfoster/sets/72157612906090113/
LEE_VTR1
25th January 2009, 10:23
some cool photos in there dude, riders look good too
Dan
25th January 2009, 13:34
They look very good mate
JamesR
25th January 2009, 14:49
they look good mate, ya get like a sense of speed an movement with some of them.
Kenco
25th January 2009, 18:00
look brilliant mate, what camera used?
don55
25th January 2009, 19:50
setup was

canon 30D

tamron 17-50 f2.8

metz 44 AF-4C (on camera)

old sunpack and old viv flash remotley.