Turbo Conversion

[davesvts]

Whats peoples opinions on having a turbo conversion. Are they worth the money and do u start gettin an endless list of probs when they are done?

Also i live in essex. Is the closest conversion place carworx in hertfordshire?


thanks

[Sax1lora]

i say go for it!!, come on..... its a turbo!!!!!!!!smileys/smiley4.gif

[andydurbs]

dont bother i did some research was going to do it to my vts, but for what its worth i did not bother, not even close to being worth it!

[Scott]

erm hows it not worth it, if you want a great handling very fast small light hatch that hands much more exotic machinery its ass then go for it.

If you think its going to be cheap, dont

[Dan]

Do a search on tubro conversions mate at the top of the page and there should be loadsa information about them. smileys/smiley2.gif

[andydurbs]

ok i have a friend who's vts non turbo is pushing 180+ at the flywheel 0-60 timed at 6.2 (needs more traction) top speed 145 mph (vtr box) now go look at simo's stats 0-60 just over 6 top speed 141 mph, my friends vts has had about £2000 of engine work, and its really reliable, that why i would not waste my money on a vts turbo conversion......the only benifit for like £5000 is a dump valve noise.....wow

[saxoash]

ok i have a friend who's vts non turbo is pushing 180+ at the flywheel 0-60 timed at 6.2 (needs more traction) top speed 145 mph (vtr box) now go look at simo's stats 0-60 just over 6 top speed 141 mph, my friends vts has had about £2000 of engine work, and its really reliable, that why i would not waste my money on a vts turbo conversion......the only benifit for like £5000 is a dump valve noise.....wow

proff?

[Dan]

180 bhp with a n/a engine I dont think so?! whats he had done?

[andydurbs]

just get your sax to about 170bhp-180bhp not much will keep up mine is running about 150 bhp thats 157.39 bhp per ton a new type r civic is 197 bhp thats 163.62 bhp per ton, get it to the 180 (188.87 bhp per ton) mark and even impreza's like the rb5 (173.27 bhp per ton) wont keep up, obviously off the line being 4 wheel drive they will do you. anything more bhp and you wasting tyres and loosing performance, you can over do it!

[tgazvtr]

has it got bodies on it to have 180bhp?

[andydurbs]

throttle bodies, cams etc.... you can get a vts to 170 with just super chip cams cda filter boost valve manifold and system and the odd tuning, my saxo was 160 bhp before the chip was taken out and thats not even with cams.

[Dan]

It must have, unless he's talking in max power terms or has one of those electric superchargers lol

[Dan]

throttle bodies, cams etc.... you can get a vts to 170 with just super chip cams cda filter boost valve manifold and system and the odd tuning, my saxo was 160 bhp before the chip was taken out and thats not even with cams.

No way a vts will run close to 170 bhp without throttle bodies. cams,superchip, bmc, boost valve and full exhaust and manifold will not see that power at all.

One, superchips are shit and are no where near as good as a standard ecu remap or a dastek and the boost valves are shit too.

160 without cams, your talking shite mate.

[andydurbs]

well i dont need anyone's advice to disprove it i have the car to prove it. as for a turbo in a saxo, what a waste if you have a brain and your sensible it wont take much to change your mind.

[Scott]

sorry but your talking rubbish, first of all how did you hit 160 bhp at the fly, did you have the engine out and dyno'd? didnt think so. Second of all hitting that sort of power without cams is impossible.

Simos made 181 at the wheels not a made up fly figure, and if your going to try and say it made those figures at the wheels i may very well laugh myself silly.

[andydurbs]

its been on well lanes rolling road at 158 bhp and i agree that superchips are shit hence i no longer have one in my vts, what work has your sax had to disprove mine? alot of vts/gti came out the factory over 125 bhp they said 125 bhp to keep insurance down do you research before you mouth off.

[Clouds_mate]

can you please point me into the direction of this information please, Maybe a interesting read

[Dan]

Do you have a print out that can proove this?

[Scott]

how on earth can they measure 158bhp at the fly without removing the engine? its guess work and rolling roadscan be made to read whatever.

My car hasnt had tuning, its the hundreds of others that have, no one has ever hti figures so high without cams, in fact the highest i have heard with normal 285's on single throttle body is 160 at the fly

[andydurbs]

i do not know previous owner had it, one of the reason why i bought the car, then got adviced to loose the chip by latz owner of ex grass hoppers in leigh, so we are guessing the sax is running at 150 bhp with out the chip, going to put a cda filter on and find a decent chip and let well lane set it up again. should with the new chip or engine management system and cda filter run close to 165 bhp which i wont go over because i will hvae to start messing with bottom end if i try go any further.

[DICO_VTS]

just get your sax to about 170bhp-180bhp not much will keep up mine is running about 150 bhp thats 157.39 bhp per ton a new type r civic is 197 bhp thats 163.62 bhp per ton, get it to the 180 (188.87 bhp per ton) mark and even impreza's like the rb5 (173.27 bhp per ton) wont keep up, obviously off the line being 4 wheel drive they will do you. anything more bhp and you wasting tyres and loosing performance, you can over do it!

To celebrate the return of Richard Burns to the Subaru WRC team, Subaru built 444 special edition cars. Since Richard's WRC car number was #5, they cleverly named the car RB5.
RB5!!!!!!!!!!!????? its a standard wrx!!! the only difference is that there all grey have a bit of extra plastic here and there and red writing on the seats and side of the car!!!!! wow.....

get the turbo on the sax, if you enjoy playin about with cars and have the funds.....do it!!!!!

[Scott]

dude your living in dream land. Ok for example keirs old vts.

BMC, 285 cams, manifold, exhaust and remapped made 160 at the fly. thats the most i have ever heard anyones make.

And even with that the fly figure was calculated not by removing the engine.

and you would be best to stop using fly wheel figures they mean fuck all, its at the wheels power where it matters, after all thats whats moving the car. And just for your info simos is running over 200 at the fly, 181 at the wheels.

[Clouds_mate]

how was the date? smileys/smiley17.gif

[DICO_VTS]

smileys/hijack.gif smileys/smiley29.gif

[andydurbs]

SCOTT DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MOUTH OFF I AM AN ENGINEER BY TRADE SIMPLE CALCS CAN GIVE YOU BHP AT FLY AS FOR COMPUTERS ITS EASY!

LOOK IT UP

[tgazvtr]

yup most people get 160 from a full exhaust system, btb manifold, cams, bmc and a re-map, this is the spec im going to build one to smileys/smiley17.gif

[boz]

turbo the sax, it totally transforms the car. the power to weight ratio is awesome too! mines getting it done very soon smileys/smiley2.gif

[Simo]

ok i have a friend who's vts non turbo is pushing 180+ at the flywheel 0-60 timed at 6.2 (needs more traction) top speed 145 mph (vtr box) now go look at simo's stats 0-60 just over 6 top speed 141 mph, my friends vts has had about £2000 of engine work, and its really reliable, that why i would not waste my money on a vts turbo conversion......the only benifit for like £5000 is a dump valve noise.....wow

<snigger>

The dump valve noise isn't a benefit. It's an annoying side effect smileys/smiley2.gif

I'm a big fan of normally aspirated tuning, as the throttle response at low revs is much better.

The TU engine reponds very well to boost and the results can be very impressive. I can see I'm going to have to do some upto date times and replace those shown on my stats page... they are over 18 months old now smileys/smiley17.gif

Considering the times other cars were putting down at the day those figures were recorded, I was very impressed with my cars performance, running only 0.5bar of boost, low compression and 17" rims.

If you could get a non-charged TU lump upto 180'ish at the WHEELS, I'd be impressed, but I know its not going to happen.

I'm an engineer too BTW.. whoopie doo smileys/zainy.gif

[boz]

smileys/smiley2.gif smileys/smiley17.gif Me too

[Scott]

SCOTT DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MOUTH OFF I AM AN ENGINEER BY TRADE SIMPLE CALCS CAN GIVE YOU BHP AT FLY AS FOR COMPUTERS ITS EASY!

LOOK IT UP

some engineer you are, im not an engineer and even i know that it will vary from car to car, think you need to look it up.

[DICO_VTS]

smileys/smiley18.gif and theres a nice left jab by scott!

[andydurbs]

i never said it did not scott, there is standard calca for bhp lost from the flywheel to the the wheels i i.e through the box/running gear, to give a rough idea. most rolling road software will have more detailed calcs for each manufacture or similar running gear its not 100% garaunteed but we are not calculating for nasa just bhp..........oh and there is alot of engineers out there wide variety i am a design specialist engineer calculate and design re-inforced concrete structures.

whoopie doo

[Scott]

LMBO! © sax-p so what was the figure used? citreon quoe 23% other independent testing has shown 18%, change of gearboxes and clutches etc....

still boils down to you cant measure an engines power at the flywheel without taking it out of the car and testing it, fact.

[unplugged]

try this (http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/) and click on evo........ 180 bhp saxo.... dont know if its at the wheels though but they can get another 20 bhp more to make it close to 200 and its not a turbo

[DICO_VTS]

hes come back with a good right left combo smileys/boxing.gif .......but yet again scott is more than a match a good uppercut there!!!!

[andydurbs]

how old r u dico_vts grow up mate me and scott are fine with out the commentry!

[tgazvtr]

lol dico,

guess what im and engineer too smileys/smiley17.gif

[DICO_VTS]

older than you!!! im an engineer also who works for bentley motors (if your gonna use the im an engineer line) and ive never heard of such a load of bullshit in all may life! dont tell me to grow up you little shite!

[tgazvtr]

wow wow wow, calm down dear its only a forum smileys/smiley17.gif

dico you posh get working for bently, i somtimes do work in the factory for bently

[andydurbs]

i repeat grow up dico.............little shite.....kick your head in mate so i would zip it.....more than happy to meet you, i come on her because i get bored at work and its good to get info off and give advice not childish remarks

"hes come back with a good right left combo .......but yet again scott is more than a match a good uppercut there!!!!"

[tgazvtr]

please stop we do not need this sort of behavior on this forum. smileys/smiley7.gif

[Scott]

lets play nice guys.

And i wondered how long it would be before the LAD motorsport website would come up its evenmore of a crock of shit.

[boz]

calm down lads.... its just light harted banter mate. its called having a laugh. no need to become violent! smileys/smiley17.gif

[boz]

LOL with the 180bhp conversions!!!! smileys/smiley3.gif remember the kid at the hotel the night before FCS, with his 180bhp pug 106gti?????? smileys/smiley2.gif that was one of LAD finest, suposedly smileys/smiley17.gif

[grantsmith1985]

Boz when you looking at rolling yours out with the lovely turbo on it?

[boz]

turbos are on their way smileys/smiley2.gif smileys/smiley2.gif then its just a case of getting the time off to have the conversion done smileys/smiley2.gif should be in the next few months (weeks hopefully) smileys/smiley2.gif smileys/smiley4.gif

[tgazvtr]

lol at the lad conversion, i was waiting for that to come into the thread. smileys/smiley17.gif

[Scott]

lol yeah he was a belter that guy did he not say it was running nearer 190 or something because the new enclosed filter added an extra 10bhp or something LMFBO! © sax-p

[grantsmith1985]

Cant wait to see that Boz. Tell em not to send you away again so you can do it sooner, lol.

[boz]

LOL, thats what im hoping too!! smileys/smiley2.gif

Scott: thats right, i was hoping he was going to offer simo a race smileys/smiley3.gif , looked for him on the track and the 0 - 60 run but never saw him! if my car had 190bhp, you wouldnt be able to get me off the track!!!!! it was a nice car, but i doubted the power he said it had. smileys/smiley17.gif

[Ratty]

andydurbs you obviously didnt learn the last time you spouted random figures like 160bhp which you thought was at the wheels then fly, do you know your elbow from your arse?

the highest NA powerd 16v lump kicked about 180bhp at fly which was floatlites, setup at GMC using 300+degree cam, custom short ratio gearbox (which would give the impression the power was higher depending on the gear ratios) full custom exhaust inc manifold, ported and polished head, thorttle bodies and running omex management.

if that only got 180bhp and you claim 165? why did he bother spending the extra £4k on the bodies, engine management and gearbox?

quote wheel figs, thats where it matters.

[Ratty]

anyhow, get a turbo, the torque it creates is immense (cracking kick) get them to take you out in one if your still not sure but cant go wrong (the car can though smileys/happy.gif )

[Dan]

LMFBO! © sax-p! © sax-p! @ this thread.

Boz - yeah the guy with the gti did say it was running 190bhp! LOL

I think its funny as fuck when ppl shout out figures that are complete bollocks!

Looking forward to seeing the turbo boz, you keeping the vtr engine then?

Oh and Andy stop trying to be a hardman, your telling Dico to grow up but here's you saying ' i'll meet you anywhere mate'. Think you need to grow up myself mate.

[tgazvtr]

also dico has got a much faster car than most of us here smileys/smiley17.gif

[boz]

yep, keeping the vtr motor for now smileys/smiley2.gif
keeping it under wraps for now. will be over to see you when i get it done,shouldbe good smileys/smiley17.gif take you out for a spin smileys/smiley2.gif

[starkie]

boz> you going Carworx to have it fitted? Cant wait for spec! What you hoping for?

[DICO_VTS]

meet me hey............ smileys/happy.gif ha ha what were you thinking, on the football pitch at 3:30... and i need to grow up!? smileys/smiley24.gif

[Dan]

LMBO! © sax-p! @ dico.

[boz]

going to carworx. not sure what the spec will be, got a few things planned to go with the conversion smileys/smiley2.gif

[Dan]

Nice one boz, good to see things are moving forward. Yeah definitley take me for a spin lol. smileys/smiley2.gif

[boz]

will do matey smileys/smiley4.gif

[JamieB]

was a good laugh reading this thread! cheered up my boring day

good luck with the turbo conversion boz, hope everything goes well for you!! smileys/smiley20.gif

i saw the red 106 gti from fcs go up the 0-60 sprint bit. i think i was with simo, suie, possibly damo not 100% sure, but for 190bhp, didnt go that quick. sure it did it in over 7 secs!! found some pics of it to ...

/members/Jamie1100cc/179D9_Pug_106_Gti.JPG

/members/Jamie1100cc/DDD63_Pug_106_Gti_Rear.JPG

the car looked nice, sounded good, but i dont believe it was running 190bhp

[boz]

LOL thats it.
cheers bud smileys/smiley2.gif

[DICO_VTS]

The beats! smileys/smiley5.gif

[JamieB]

the bloke who owned the car was quite scary looking (the bloke with the blad head and black vest on in the second pic on the right of the car) but when we got chatting to him, he was an alright chap!

[DICO_VTS]

he lost his hair due to the speed of his 190bhp car!

[Scott]

that pic was right after i snorted at the single throttle body and open filter lol

[DICO_VTS]

tut tut scott your so harsh!!! smileys/smiley2.gif

[Dan]

In the 2nd pic it also looks like he has a mohican hair cut with the guy stood behind him lol

[SaxoAL]

Scott, I remember that snort. Was right in my ear if I remember correctly! smileys/smiley14.gif

That bloke and his mate joined us in the bit of the pub they opened up for us too didnt he?!

[RIBstaff]

not sure about twin zausts smileys/smiley5.gif engine bay looks sweet

[boz]

LOL i noticed the hair too dan LMAO