Saxo race series

[saxotourdecorse]

Apart from saxmax does anyone no of any series/cahmpionships/races etc that a saxo (vts) can compete in. and if so against what competition ? just interested to no.
the top gear episode where they race a bmw in an enduro at silverstone looks so much fun :y:

[Peejous]

Do you have any idea how much it costs?

[Ben_L]

probably just a race day that...

[VTEC-Saxo]

to enter a saxo for a season its a rediculas price tag

[saxotourdecorse]

dont no about cost = probs alot but im not looking to compete im just interested to no.

[JamesR]

what is the tiltops or treetops series or something? cant remember what its called, whats that?

[GMPDevelopments]

You can race a vtr in 750mc stock hatch! car's cost from £4500 up to £12,000 andrace entry's for a season cost £2000

www.750mc.co.uk
www.gmpmotorsport.co.uk
www.gmpdevelopments.co.uk

Gary

[Mochachino]

what is the tiltops or treetops series or something? cant remember what its called, whats that?

tintops

http://www.tintops.org.uk/
http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-stock-hatch.php

[saxotourdecorse]

that stock hatch looks a right laff, and cheap

[saxotourdecorse]

http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-hot-hatch.php - that looks cool, my fastest lap at oulton international is 20 seconds of the lap record with standard brakes - but i am buying some on the weekend:) as far as i can see it only costs 150 ish to enter and you need racing licenses etc or am i completely wrong. how do you get licenses etc?

[evans1089]

myself and a mate went to an official yorkshire or something rally group at a pub. people there have spent 10s of thousands on their cars, especially tyres and the event fees...

not really worth it seeing as you need so much experience and qualifications and then money to even get a cara up to the standard to come anywhere near 10th lol.. and 1st prizes are still like crap...

so unless your loaded.. i wouldnt bother tbh

[Mochachino]

youd need more than a show cage aswell.

[saxotourdecorse]

not interested in rallying as i dont think i am skillful enough,lol and it costs alot more.

[saxotourdecorse]

youd need more than a show cage aswell.

lol i no but my mate has got a saxmax race car so will have the 1 out of that :) got harnesses and seats etc

[Mochachino]

lol i no but my mate has got a saxmax race car so will have the 1 out of that :) got harnesses and seats etc

maybe he can point u in the right direction then for entering and prices and the mebership question u have ;)

[saxotourdecorse]

membership is 75 im just thinking about how to get licenses etc. anyone no?

[dobbo_1]

lol i no but my mate has got a saxmax race car so will have the 1 out of that :) got harnesses and seats etc

just dont mount them on your c piller like in your other thread :homme:

[saxotourdecorse]

i have checked with demons and there is nothin wrong in doing that. thanks for the useful comments like always. anyway back to the point - anyone no how racing licensing work

[Mochachino]

lol why ask for advice in the other thread if your gonna ignore it?

[saxotourdecorse]

lol why ask for advice in the other thread if your gonna ignore it?

because i posted it last night and i have been demon tweeks today to buy brake fluid and i asked them, but i do take your advice and i think i am gonna change it anyway. but they said anyway of them 2 ways is fine as they are original seatbelt fixings .........
:y:

[Ryan]

stock hatch is a VTR engine.

Not a lad 16v btw.

For a modified car most things are hillclimbs and sprints 9superlibre class iirc)

And stock hatch racers like pannel banging, ive been advised against building/buying a car for it due to this.

I might be looking at the castle combe saloon series mind (nick abused me to do so)

[Ryan]

membership is 75 im just thinking about how to get licenses etc. anyone no?

start by doing ARDS

[Ryan]

http://www.750mc.co.uk/F-hot-hatch.php - that looks cool, my fastest lap at oulton international is 20 seconds of the lap record with standard brakes - but i am buying some on the weekend:) as far as i can see it only costs 150 ish to enter and you need racing licenses etc or am i completely wrong. how do you get licenses etc?

20 seconds down you would be very lucky to be within the % rule of the fastest driver some series have.

Especially when you consider you have more power than a stock hatch car ;)

[saxotourdecorse]

the 'hot hatch' series looks good ryan not the 'stock' one. yours would be very competitve i imagine as it would be in class 'b' 1400-1600 cc

[saxotourdecorse]

im talkin about hot hatch series ryan not stock

[Ryan]

the 'hot hatch' series looks good ryan not the 'stock' one. yours would be very competitve i imagine as it would be in class 'b' 1400-1600 cc

Dont have the spare shells at the moment to go pannel bashing though :D

[Ryan]

im talkin about hot hatch series ryan not stock

my apologies, but 20seconds is still ALOT of time. As I said some series operate a % time, so if you are 10% slower than a 1.30lap for example you are not allowed to race

[saxotourdecorse]

i cant imagine it bein like that in the 'hot' hatch category considering the pictures have type r's and new focuses on there. the stock ones are like old shity xr2i's so they will be like that. and the fastest lap at oulton has been done by a very high tuned type r so to be 20 secs of with standard brakes is a good achievement

[saxotourdecorse]

lap time is 1.57 aswell i think so not a short lap dude

[Ryan]

i cant imagine it bein like that in the 'hot' hatch category considering the pictures have type r's and new focuses on there. the stock ones are like old shity xr2i's so they will be like that. and the fastest lap at oulton has been done by a very high tuned type r so to be 20 secs of with standard brakes is a good achievement

LOL its racing, in tintops there is ALWAYS pannel bashing! I dont think ive seen a series at brands where there isnt dents in several cars from late dives into corners etc....

20 seconds on a 2min lap is ALOT belive me. Hence why I said look into more about the cut off times :P

For example im 3 seconds off a 55second lap at brands, and thats still considerable time.

[saxotourdecorse]

dont get me wrong i no 20 secs is alot of time - laped after 8 laps - i no, but i am only 19 so not alot of experience, on budget tyres and standard brakes. theres panel bashing in touring cars :) its all good. i would be out front anyway in the class b category :) very cheap entry to. saxos run in class b not class a so you wouldnt need to do a 157 to be comptitive in ya class

[Ryan]

dont get me wrong i no 20 secs is alot of time - laped after 8 laps - i no, but i am only 19 so not alot of experience, on budget tyres and standard brakes. theres panel bashing in touring cars :) its all good. i would be out front anyway in the class b category :) very cheap entry to. saxos run in class b not class a so you wouldnt need to do a 157 to be comptitive in ya class

age means naff all, when you take into account saxmaxers run respectable lap times and are all under 17 :P

A competitive season isnt as easy or cheap as you think, you would be very nieve to think so tbh. Speaking to several drivers from multiple series at brands etc.. you miss out so many things in your price estimate you dont expect.

[saxotourdecorse]

lol i no entry is only 150 tho as far as i can see. saxmax run 90 brake dont have to be to talented to keep it on the road. (find braking points at 60 is alot easier than when you are doing 100 but i take ya point. how much would you expect to spend then? im sure you could get sponsorship etc

[Ryan]

lol i no entry is only 150 tho as far as i can see. saxmax run 90 brake dont have to be to talented to keep it on the road. (find braking points at 60 is alot easier than when you are doing 100 but i take ya point. how much would you expect to spend then? im sure you could get sponsorship etc


Erm try braking points when you have 1 car either side of you trying to turn in and not being able to have a racing line. You really cannot compair power, its RACING not just track time.

I have alot of respect for some of the saxmax lot, they run quite respectable times despite the series having alot of door to door racing. You cant just pick a line and braking point with 1 car infront of you, 1 on the side and 1 on your rear bumper, it doesnt work like that.

You have costs of fuel, petrol, accomodation, work on the cars from technical problems, travel expenses, damage to the car etc etc...

[saxotourdecorse]

still not alot compared to most series though. would be alot of fun, but like you say you would probably go through about 4 shells a series.

[saxotourdecorse]

any other series? like i said at start of thread that enduro on top gear looked well good.
how much to enter etc? anyone no

[Ryan]

any other series? like i said at start of thread that enduro on top gear looked well good.
how much to enter etc? anyone no

you know aswell that alot of series you cant just bung a car in.

it has to meet certain regulations, and be passed to race by officials???

[saxotourdecorse]

ye i no like f.i.a. seats/cages etc, and gotta meet regs. i would love to bung mine in the btcc for a meet, with paul radisich and john cleland the legends. that top gear enduro semmed to a be a free for all in terms of makes allowed to race

[dannygti]

i can do very low 2minute.
i think if a few plans go ahead ill be looking at around a less than 2 minute lap at oulton full..

all these stock hatch/hot hatch etc are very expensive to be involved with.

ive been ofered to race in the westfield sportscar championship but cannot do it due to funds...(oh and i would get a FREE car in that deal)

[dobbo_1]

i have checked with demons and there is nothin wrong in doing that. thanks for the useful comments like always. anyway back to the point - anyone no how racing licensing work


have you ever seen a saxo rear ended the pillers will just fold in and one side of your belt will go slack and as for being 20 seconds off join up if you are that good will cost you alot more than you think though

[saxotourdecorse]

have you ever seen a saxo rear ended the pillers will just fold in and one side of your belt will go slack and as for being 20 seconds off join up if you are that good will cost you alot more than you think though

itll fold if ya get hit from the side on the other pillar. and like i say 20 secs of a tuned type r is good going. quite alot of people on here have trackslags that have never touched a track... anyway back to the point. it would all depend on how many crashes you had and how well the car went

[Ryan]

itll fold if ya get hit from the side on the other pillar. and like i say 20 secs of a tuned type r is good going. quite alot of people on here have trackslags that have never touched a track... anyway back to the point. it would all depend on how many crashes you had and how well the car went

seriously 20 seconds off isnt good atall.

stop trying to blow your own trumpet and take a step back, and realise that competitive motorsport isnt the thing you can just walk into and be quick as you seem to have made yourself believe it to be

[saxotourdecorse]

i wouldnt be racing in that class anyway. i would be racing against vts's and vtr's and other stuff in the 'b' class 1400-1600 and that would b fun

[Ryan]

i wouldnt be racing in that class anyway. i would be racing against vts's and vtr's and other stuff in the 'b' class 1400-1600 and that would b fun

look at the class B lap times, they are not far off class A. its not just about power etc.. its about the driver....

I very much doubt you will be as fast as people with alot of race experience from some of the comments you have made so far.

[saxotourdecorse]

lol can you tell a persons driving style from a forum . can you give me the lotto numbers for tonight? doesnt matter about experience its about talent, and alot to do with the car regardless of what people on here say. like i said before its easy to be a good driver in a vtr/s but when you actually drive a fast car things change a little, (life off oversteer round druids doesnt happen in a vtr peeps) or a saxmax car

[Ryan]

lol can you tell a persons driving style from a forum . can you give me the lotto numbers for tonight? doesnt matter about experience its about talent, and alot to do with the car regardless of what people on here say. like i said before its easy to be a good driver in a vtr/s but when you actually drive a fast car things change a little, (life off oversteer round druids doesnt happen in a vtr peeps) or a saxmax car

its very easy to tell, usually when someone bangs on about how fast they are its because they are trying to prove to everyone a point. People like this on track are generally the ones who cause problems because they are to scared of their egos getting dented.

Lift of oversteer happens in any saxo you idiot. If you seriously think your saxo is high spec you really would get mullered on a track.

I know a saxmax racer who used to be on here, i can guarentee he will be faster than you, for a start he admits he isnt the best (or most talented driver in the world) and has respect for the track. You seem to be quite disrespectful of people who are in a compeitive form of motorsport (most with years of karting behind them) and think you can just waltz onto a track in a racing situation and tear them appart, yet in reality you will just end up endangering yourself and others

You seem to have it into your head that a vts on track is miles ahead of a vtr, when you can run the same suspension, and brakes on them which would give them the same handeling characteristics.

[dannygti]

experience means everything in proffesional motorsport... thats why mr hamilton didnt get into F1 until he was in his 20's. and his world championship came in his second year.

i gurantee that if you let my buddy drive YOUR own car round a track for a couple of laps, it would take you the rest of the day to get close.... thats what experience can do.


im not trying to put you down what so ever, its not as simple as jumping in a competative car and coming in the top 10.

[saxotourdecorse]

my point is it depends on what your up against. so the car DOES matter. my spec vts would no way be overtaken by a vtr. and trust me people who i no with ALOT of experience than me have tried. and you cant just assume that because your ego is so big ryan everyone else is of a lesser ability. i have had lots of track tuition as my dads mate owns easytrack so i have had alot of tuition. i also havent done many boring laps of amateur brands as you have. just dont judge untill you know someone. just because i dont run in 'saxo' circles doesnt mean you can judge dude. i have probably had alot more experience at 19 than you have had in the however many years you have been lapping the 3 bends of brands.

[saxotourdecorse]

anyone who has read the whole thread think ryan is a bit arrogant and has a big e-ego lol just a thought

[dannygti]

so tell us dude, what experience do you have.

your very naieve to think you wouldnt get overtaken by a vtr. there are plenty of charged vtr that would quite easily pass you. there are many well setup cars like ex stock hatch. i even think the saxmax guys would be quicker than you judging by your oulton lap times.

personally, i dont think ryans is floating his ego, he's trying to give you a reality check :y:

[saxotourdecorse]

every thread ryan chimes in on it turns into an e-war. a didint say a charged wouldnt but i would catch it when it has blown up. i said i have had lots of free instruction and i can keep up with alot of 'faster' stuff than a vtr on track. i dont want an e-war but ryan went off the point everytime to make an argument. read the thread

[dannygti]

every thread ryan chimes in on it turns into an e-war. a didint say a charged wouldnt but i would catch it when it has blown up. i said i have had lots of free instruction and i can keep up with alot of 'faster' stuff than a vtr on track. i dont want an e-war but ryan went off the point everytime to make an argument. read the thread

i think you may have looked at ryans post from the wrong angle?

i can keep up and pass MANY different types of car in my car, exiges/350z/m3's etc etc but it doesnt mean i can do well in a race series.. and free instruction is good but it doesnt make you the stig, it teaches you the basics.

if you think you are quick then get yourself into a kart and start where everyone in racing starts from. if you have plenty of money to spend i can probably point you in the direction of a good stock hatch car.... then go racing.

[saxotourdecorse]

i was only interested like i said. i didnt want an e-war with ryan and my useless driving ability.

[KamRacing]

don't build the car and then work out what you are eligable for. Find a race series you want to enter and then get the rules - then build the car

there are lots of race series out there that a saxo can be built for with varying requirements to be competitive.

You seriously need to look at the budget side of things though. Running a car for a season in any series never works out cheap.

First though take the ARDS test as a starting point

[saxotourdecorse]

how much to run a saxo u think? thats what i wanted to no really

[dannygti]

impossible to say.
maintenance will be impossible to work out. crashes/tyres/fuel/transport etc.

[Scribbles]

If you think lesser power cars wont keep up with you with a more talented driver you'll be in for a shock. I've no doubt that a professional driver could lap track quicker in a 1.1 than you could in a VTS purely because they'll maintain much higher corner speeds.

[KamRacing]

costs to get your NAtional B racing license are approx

Medical £50
MSA Go Racing Pack £55
ARDS Test £300-400
think you have to pay for the license once you've passed too

That doesn't include any tuition either

If that seems steep then just wait till you start racing :D

[KamRacing]

every thread ryan chimes in on it turns into an e-war. a didint say a charged wouldnt but i would catch it when it has blown up. i said i have had lots of free instruction and i can keep up with alot of 'faster' stuff than a vtr on track. i dont want an e-war but ryan went off the point everytime to make an argument. read the thread

Ryan is talking sense. Trackdays and racing are completely different. Now I do endurance karting and its totally different to a relaxed fast drive round a circuit on a trackday.
Realistically for a decent championship you are looking at £2k for entry fees, fuel maybe £500 for a season, young driver - three or four sets of tyres for the first season, race helmet £300, race overalls, £300
Then you need to prepare your car. Say you have the car to start, you will need between £600 and £2k for a cage to be bought and fitted, bucket seats and harness's £500 upwards, suspension £1-3k for something decent, brakes - you can start with a good set of race pads for £100, transponder and little items add say £500.

Thats probably for a basic class.
To put a higher class cost, my chassis and suspension have probably cost in the region of £7-8k

Trackdays start to sound cheap.

[Ryan]

i was only interested like i said. i didnt want an e-war with ryan and my useless driving ability.

Its because you refuse to listen, and have repeatedly made comments about drivers in race series who have liceneces and who compete in motorsport allready.

When you make comments that any fool can drive a saxmax car you clearly make yourself look like a fool, when everyone who knows about motorsport knows its alot different driving a car on a track than it is driving a car on a track with 3 of you going for the same lane. You keep slating vtrs, yet you would know 'having lots of track tuition' that its not about how much power a car has in reality its how well it deals with the bends, how it can carry the speed and thus momentum from corner to corner. ;)

You refuse to listen to anyone on anything, as was proven in your little rant over the elise, going posting it in general chat because people made valid points which you neglgeted to think about asking it in the technical sections. If you dont want people to have an opinion thats not agreeing with you or challenging, yet just lick your arse dont bother posting :homme:

[Ryan]

anyone who has read the whole thread think ryan is a bit arrogant and has a big e-ego lol just a thought


personally, i dont think ryans is floating his ego, he's trying to give you a reality check :y:

Ryan is talking sense. Trackdays and racing are completely different.

;););)

[GMPDevelopments]

If you have a look at the 750mc website you will notice that the Hot Hatch championship is no longer running!!

[laurenceharding]

only if you have deep pockets:y: