SQ or SPL? another one for the geeks (webbys slowly turning me into a real man) lol

[Ashleyp]

ok, so aimed mainly at coonper, webby, CSVTR, pred, reevsey, liam.. the usual gang of nerds :)

as you all know after recently buying my new car, ive been a bit of a gay and only installed comps

im really tempted to save weight and not put the soundstream in the car..

instead, im thinking of buying this 4channel (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/alpine-mrpf600-p-6475.html) or this one (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audio-g4500-p-7290.html), and this sub (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/hertz-energy-es2503-p-6340.html)

views? i know this will work well as a low powerd sub, tbh although comps arent amped yet i havnt had the huge need for a sub and amp

am i just being a tart?

other option (few posts down):

sort out comps, just them and a 2 channel, upgrade HU to this (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pioneer-dehp5100ub-p-7307.html)

then possibly go for this amp (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/alpine-mrpm352-p-5518.html)and this sub (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/hertz-energy-es2503d-p-6341.html)

would obv be a LOT lighter than the SS and jbl mono, with only a small sealed box of around 0.75cuft needed

this would give me 300wrms @ 2ohms, which isnt bad tbh.. just need to stop being a tart and make a choice

[DJDannyB]

you know you want to hear the low notes :P
get a sub in there mate :)

[Ashleyp]

rainbows go low enough for now

main question before ordering a 2channel for them is: should i save up more and get a 4 channel and a small SQ sub

[DJDannyB]

hmm if it was me i would probs save for the 4 channel and get a nice sq sub too. But do you think you need a sub or not?? i want to hear these rainbows man

[Ashleyp]

i was running only 150wrms of sub in the old car, and tbh i wanted more, but with the SS ill be running near 1kwrms lol.. around 7x as much

am i seriously being this much of a fanny about my new set up?

i want a sub, but im being gay about weight saving, and dont know if the SS is too much bass lol.. it does weigh a tonne!

if i got a 4 channel and wanted an upgrade, at least i could sell the SQ sub and still have a mono & ss sub to shove in

but 4 channel is a lot more cost and if i get bored, ill have £100 extra amp for no reason

[DJDannyB]

Get a sub mate, you know you want too :) Not like your going to loose much power.. 16v ftw!!!

I recon you will love having a nice sub in there too tbh mate

[Ashleyp]

Get a sub mate, you know you want too :) Not like your going to loose much power.. 16v ftw!!!

I recon you will love having a nice sub in there too tbh mate

yeah sub was always the plan, just SQ or SPL lol, which way to go? if i go SQ, ill buy a 4 channel, if SPL a 2channel,

the decision is which to buy, 4 channel or 2, either way id be happy with the set up i chose, just undecided on which to chose! :(

oh and danny, check your facebook

[DJDannyB]

Yeah erm, well seen as though you have the SS already id stick with that and just set it all up nicely so its not giving you too much bass output.. should sound nice when you set it up how you want it.

Ill check it now..

[Ashleyp]

OK, so doing a bit of research, i could get myself a nice small SQ set up for around £200 - £300 (10 inch subs rated around 300wrms)..

plan: buy a 2 channel to power rainbows, then decide on weather to buy the SQ set up or buy SPL set up, i may be greedy and get both, then interchange depending on how gay im being about having too much bass

either way: money this month is going on the audison mcbain is selling me

and april pay day - http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pioneer-dehp5100ub-p-7307.html

and danny, its an SS, you dont get "nice bass" you get destroyed by its output lol

[DJDannyB]

Sounds like a plan to me, I would go for a nice 2 channel for them rainbows, ive got a jbl gto amp here that my mates lent me, im going to use it to power some spl comps when i get paid :)

that HU looks nice, im after this one...Pioneer DEH-P7000BT

[Ashleyp]

post 1 edited danny, take a look at possible options :)

also, the reason id go for the HU in the link i showed is because its got the best SQ features of any under £200..

theres an audison SRx2 which mcbain is selling me, (tomorrow hopefully) for £130 posted, its obv got SQ as thats what audison is all about, and can give me 80wrms x 2 @ 4ohms, which is a perfect match for the rainbows

[DJDannyB]

yeah looks good that mate, that amp your getting for the rainbows seems perfect tbh.
i like that HU too, i just thought the bluetooth was a cool option, but i may buy that one your getting.. i really like the look of that!

[Ashleyp]

yeah looks good that mate, that amp your getting for the rainbows seems perfect tbh.
i like that HU too, i just thought the bluetooth was a cool option, but i may buy that one your getting.. i really like the look of that!

:hijack:

main reason im going for it, is that you wont find this on any unit under £250

# Graphic Equaliser 7-band, with 5 pre-set EQ curves
# ASL (Automatic Sound Leveliser)
# Advanced Sound Retriever
# Source Level Adjuster (SLA)

[pjm300]

chuck a 8" in there, small enclosure, bit more on the lows

[webby]

stop being a fairy namby pamby tart how does that one sound?

you want to save weight?
does this mean you are stripping out the interior?
if so are you doing trackdays regularly?
do you want a noisy (not because of speakers) rattly car for everyday use.
if you are worried about boot space go sealed with the SS.
pioneer hu's are great just got a p80mp best hu ive ever had.

[Ashleyp]

cheers webby, knew that would be your responce lol.. not heading down the track route now, (not yet anyway, too expensive)

sealed SS? size? would it sound right? hmm

[webby]

cheers webby, knew that would be your responce lol.. not heading down the track route now, (not yet anyway, too expensive)

sealed SS? size? would it sound right? hmm

it would be responsive and drop well because its sealed about 1.25 cuft i would say. but to get the best you need ported.

can you give up 25x13.5x14.5"

that would be the best size for your 10 in a ported enclosure tuned to SS recomendations.

[Ashleyp]

it would be responsive and drop well because its sealed about 1.25 cuft i would say. but to get the best you need ported.

can you give up 25x13.5x14.5"

that would be the best size for your 10 in a ported enclosure tuned to SS recomendations.

not sure if theres room in the saxo boot for that box plus 2 amps?

was told it could be put in a 1.5cuft ported box? dimensions of 16 x 16 x 14 iirc, (including driver displacement)

[webby]

not sure if theres room in the saxo boot for that box plus 2 amps?

was told it could be put in a 1.5cuft ported box? dimensions of 16 x 16 x 14 iirc, (including driver displacement)

you are kidding arnt you?

my current box 40" x 12.75" x 23.5" (bootom) 15.5" (top) wedge. subs firing up and port im fitting amps to the back of the box (vibrations i know).

all under the parcell shelf. oh yeah stealth! maybe?

there is room. lol

[Ashleyp]

hmm, could be done then!

[webby]

oh forgot 1.5 cuft is for high output so number chasing and in a smaller enclosure like that it should be yuned higher 40hz. the box i said is for sq 2cuft tuned to 35hz

[Ashleyp]

ahh i see, would rather have lower tuning tbh, any idea for port dimensions? assuming a slot?

[Ashleyp]

ok, the rainbows play the whole freq range really nicely, very excited about amping them, but still feel ill need something just to hit really low

adding a sub was never an option, it was always going to happen

if i dont go for set up in post 1, then ill get this http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/1921.html

im not selling the 1201 or the SS, because theyre near impossible to find, but im unsure if i want such big bass yet, if i have just a small budget set up for SQ, ill probly get bored after a few months, and then eventually bang in a hardcore set up :)


BUTTTTTTT

with my dad being a builder, so the ability to get materials cheaply, and hes selection of tools means ill be building not one, but two boxes for the SS, both a sealed and ported

to have both will be the only way i can select whats best for me, i think id rather have a sealed tbh, save a bit of space etc. quite excited about getting both built now

[webby]

why?

dont mess about man just get it in and set up.
if you dont wat it really bassey, after the gains are matched, turn them down a bit.

also your rainbows will be fine off the hu power playing full range but after amping them set the hpf to around 80 hz i have found best.

i assume the doors arn't sealed? you dont want them bottoming out.

[Rogue_Shadow]

I would persoanly get the multi channel, it leaves you more flexiable in what you want to do.
If you get a mono block and then wants to run some Comps off it, or another sub. It isn't going to happen unless you buy that multichannel to start with.
Ive got a lovely 5 channel JBL AMP but im only using the Sub channel. This is because my attempt to get my front speakers amped has failed.
I will eventually, even if its not in this car, I have the flexibility to do as I please.

As for weight...I dont think it will effect you as much s you think. It may act as carrying a passenger. But unless your robbing a bank. I dont think you'll be needed to strip out the SS to get better performance

[webby]

nice edit there ashley making me look a bit daft in my response lol.

if materials are cheap and tool are readily available get a load of boxes built. try mad designs 4th and 6th order bandpasses etc.
and different layouts sub up port back. both up. both back

[Ashleyp]

cheers for the responce, i see what you mean with th flexibility of the multi chanel, and that was my thought too.. very unsure on what to do.

i think building two boxes is the next step on the list of things to do, both for the SS, one sealed, and one ported got some dimensions for a wedge shaped box ready (sealed) although im unsure on driver displacement?

webby or coonper, this is where you are needed, the dimensions ive worked out are: 14 (h) x 18 (w) x 14.5 (d1) x 11 (d2) giving a total of 1.86CUFT (inside dimensions) for a sealed box btw

obv already got the ported dimensions

[webby]

I would persoanly get the multi channel, it leaves you more flexiable in what you want to do.
If you get a mono block and then wants to run some Comps off it, or another sub. It isn't going to happen unless you buy that multichannel to start with.
Ive got a lovely 5 channel JBL AMP but im only using the Sub channel. This is because my attempt to get my front speakers amped has failed.
I will eventually, even if its not in this car, I have the flexibility to do as I please.

As for weight...I dont think it will effect you as much s you think. It may act as carrying a passenger. But unless your robbing a bank. I dont think you'll be needed to strip out the SS to get better performance

or another sub?

that is why you wire subs together. aslong as the resistance is alright at
the amp its all good.

running comps off a mono amp never heard that one before.lol

[webby]

driver displacement for the 10 is 0.10 cuft. got it here in the manual.

that box will be too small after port and sub displacement down to about 1.6 cuft i think so you are back into a higher tuned box.

[Ashleyp]

driver displacement for the 10 is 0.10 cuft. got it here in the manual.

that box will be too small after port and sub displacement down to about 1.6 cuft i think so you are back into a higher tuned box.

that was for a sealed box my man :y:

when i build the ported, ill build one to the spec of the dimensions on page 1

[webby]

that was for a sealed box my man :y:

when i build the ported, ill build one to the spec of the dimensions on page 1

ok cool the port needs to a slot port 1.5" wide and 12" lond if you want ashley i can do you a cut sheet?

then its 2cuft tuned to 35hz should sound well on music.
we know how you like the dirty dubstep lows.

btw i got Skream- watch the ride love it.

also found some relativly unkown i quite like it and S.I.A

[Ashleyp]

ok cool the port needs to a slot port 1.5" wide and 12" lond if you want ashley i can do you a cut sheet?

then its 2cuft tuned to 35hz should sound well on music.
we know how you like the dirty dubstep lows.

btw i got Skream- watch the ride love it.

also found some relativly unkown i quite like it and S.I.A

ahh.. i see, nah dont worry about it mate, youve been more than helpful, chatting to my dad now and he said hes going to get some stuff over the weekend and get on with the build (think hes more excited than me tbh)

is it possible to build a slot ported wedge box? or does this mess up the port length, ive got dimensions here for a wedge shape box of 2.26 cuft

glad you like the mixes btw, ive got a few more random ones, ill upload them on sendspace at some point and send you ze links

[webby]

do the port along one of the edges you can get the length from it so the bottom etc.

[Ashleyp]

do the port along one of the edges you can get the length from it so the bottom etc.

ahh i see, makes sence.

ive got 2 sets of dimensions up from the RF box wizard,

wedge shape: - 15(H) x 16(w) x 19(d1) x 13 (d2)

square box - 15(h) x 19(w) x 13.5(d)

[Rogue_Shadow]

sorry starte dtyping and didn't check
I ment if ya get a mono block and want some comps running off it, you Cant
Whereas with the multichannel you have the flexibility

Sorry

[Ashleyp]

sorry starte dtyping and didn't check
I ment if ya get a mono block and want some comps running off it, you Cant
Whereas with the multichannel you have the flexibility

Sorry

im not a noob lol, i know what a mono is

i just struggle at making my mind up & box sizes

[webby]

ahh i see, makes sence.

ive got 2 sets of dimensions up from the RF box wizard,

wedge shape: - 15(H) x 16(w) x 19(d1) x 13 (d2)

square box - 15(h) x 19(w) x 13.5(d)

only 14 inches to the parcel shelf. lol

[Ashleyp]

only 14 inches to the parcel shelf. lol

your taking the piss right? ffs.. back to the drawing board

[Ashleyp]

measuerd up, ive got 15" to the parcel shelf lol ;)

dimensions as follows: (internal) 13.5(h) x 20 (w) x 17.5 (d1) x 11.5 (d2)

one thing though, those will be the internal dimensions, the box will be made with 0.75" wood, so in theory to each peice id add 1.5" to each dimension (to acheive the external size of the box right?) when i type in the external figures to which ive worked out, it comes out with something stupid like 1.64cuft :s very confused

[webby]

your taking the piss right? ffs.. back to the drawing board

wish i was mate. lol

[webby]

measuerd up, ive got 15" to the parcel shelf lol ;)

dimensions as follows: (internal) 13.5(h) x 20 (w) x 17.5 (d1) x 11.5 (d2)

which way you having the sub fire at the hatch?

[Ashleyp]

measuerd up, ive got 15" to the parcel shelf lol ;)

dimensions as follows: (internal) 13.5(h) x 20 (w) x 17.5 (d1) x 11.5 (d2)

one thing though, those will be the internal dimensions, the box will be made with 0.75" wood, so in theory to each peice id add 1.5" to each dimension (to acheive the external size of the box right?) when i type in the external figures to which ive worked out, it comes out with something stupid like 1.64cuft :s very confused

double checked and its just over 15"

will use the previous dimensions as external ones, with 0.75" wood

will have to make the origionally planned 16" width to 19.5" to increase box size internally to 2.21 cuft

[liam_b]

havnt read the hole thread but im pretty sure you no what i would tell you to go for anyway lol spl

but id make 2 boxes sq and spl and see what you like best tbh i dont think you will like the sq box once it in as im sure you would prefer loud low wobble wobble bass lol

[Ashleyp]

which way you having the sub fire at the hatch?

will be firing at the hatch, with the wedge backed into / against the rear seat

havnt read the hole thread but im pretty sure you no what i would tell you to go for anyway lol spl

but id make 2 boxes sq and spl and see what you like best tbh i dont think you will like the sq box once it in as im sure you would prefer loud low wobble wobble bass lol

lol, webby is persuading me that way ;) ive deffo got a ported box in the making though!

adjusted the plans again..

- inside dimensions: 13.5 (h) x 16.5 (w) x 20 (d1) x 14 (d2) = 2.19 cuft

- outside dimensions: 15 (h) x 18 (w) x 21.5 (d1) x 15.5 (d2)

with a box made of 0.75" wood, and a slot port of 12" long and width of 1.5"

does this sound OK webby? been using the http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/box_wizard.asp to work it out

[webby]

yeah sounds ok that. does it put the tuning frequnecy to abot 31-33hz?

most music doesnt drop below 40 remeber.

[Ashleyp]

yeah sounds ok that. does it put the tuning frequnecy to abot 31-33hz?

most music doesnt drop below 40 remeber.

not sure tbh mate, was it you or liam that said a box always plays a few HZ higher than tuned to anyway?

the port length width was reccomended by yourself, id like it around 32 - 35 most likley, a daily driver that hits the sub bass hard ;)

ive got a few decent underground dubstep albums if you want btw? will send over msn or something?

[webby]

yeh dude thats right does peak hight than the actual tuning frequency in most cases. it is 35hz. as you can see by the time it was bloody late and i had a few beers watching liverpool get trounced hahaha.

yeah man send me some d/s i will pm you my addy in a min.

[Ashleyp]

yeh dude thats right does peak hight than the actual tuning frequency in most cases. it is 35hz. as you can see by the time it was bloody late and i had a few beers watching liverpool get trounced hahaha.

yeah man send me some d/s i will pm you my addy in a min.

nice one! guess i owe you for the large ammount of tunes for your help in boxes & making me an SPL fan lol

[webby]

oh yes its the way forward even though it has been around for ages.
sq costs an absolute fortune to do it right, getting dirty lows is as easy as 123.

[Ashleyp]

pissed off now :( lol.. began building the box, about half way through and now realise i only have 15cm between sub and hatch.. SQ problems?

for this reason, considering finishing the box and selling then building one of another spec:

interior dimensions: 13.5 (h) x 35 (w) x 11 (d1) x 5 (d2) = 2.19 cuft

problem i face is: what to do with the port?

http://www.soundstream.com/manuals/2006/sbw/TARTNTULA-T4.pdf

after finding this, and reading it mentions round & square ports?

although i know SQ ports are slot ports.. sooo what type of port? and what dimensions, to tune around 34hz