I don't get it.

[AXracing]

How you are over 7 times more likely to be shot in the UK with such few guns and its very tight gun controls than in Switzerland where they have the highest concentration of guns in the world. I mean its not uncommon to see people walking downs the high street or doing there shopping over there with a full automatic assault rifle in toe.

Is England just full of homicidal nutters or something?

[craig180]

The suggestion is guns are used/viewed differently in the different countries

[AXracing]

Makes sense I guess. In swizerland guns are part of life and respect for them is taught at a very young age.

[AlexR]

Over here it's gangland culture that causes the problem.

[charlie53]

Makes sense I guess. In swizerland guns are part of life and respect for them is tough at a very young age.I think you mean taught.

[craig180]

Over here it's gangland culture that causes the problem.

Over here it's the yank culture that all the pretenders want to be part of that causes the problem

[stevie_m]

Over here it's gangland culture that causes the problem.

+1 def agree with you there

[AXracing]

Gang culture would explain the high number of stabbing in the UK as well. Cant see more gun and knife legislation working then. Just need the Police to have enough funds and will to sort the mess out.

Thanks for the spelling fix Charlie

[AlexR]

I watched a documentary on gun crime on bbc one a while back and it was shocking. One of the gangsters(younger than me) was being tailed by undercovers, he obviously noticed someone was following him, he fired 5 shots into the undercover car hitting the officer inside it, that's in the middle of london on a busy street!
It's really not a safe place up there! I drive through south london very late at night and it's not a nice place.

[pjm300]

Over here it's gangland culture that causes the problem.

guns dont kill people, rabbits do

[VtsTom]

I still think its down to parenting

[craig180]

guns dont kill people, rabbits do

*wabbits ;)

[pjm300]

*wabbits ;)

i saw a documentary on bbc 2

[JamesR]

Ashamed to say it, but there is often shootings / stabbings in Liverpool. Not as bad as it used to be mind.

[AlexR]

http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_430xN.26360270.jpg

C'est tout

[JamesR]

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C'est tout

All i can say is. WHERE CAN I GET THE 2 RABBITS! :panic:

[Olly]

theres less crime there as the person your about to pull a gun on is most likely to have one aswell, so more risk.

Whereas here anyone with a gun in that situation gets bowed down to. Shit really!

[JamesR]

theres less crime there as the person your about to pull a gun on is most likely to have one aswell, so more risk.

Whereas here anyone with a gun gets bowed down to. Shit really!

Agree tbh

Also if you lived in america, would you burgal someones house, knowing that they could be armed to the teeth? And knowing that they could legally kill you?

The laws over here are stupid, tbh if someone was burglaring my house i would either do them serious harm or kill them. Would proabably get done though, which is why its stupid.

[bridgesvtr90]

I still think its down to parenting

mmmm...im gonna disagee, think in some cases yes the parents dont help. but kids from surburan homes with good parents get into drugs and all that goes with it, seen it a few times.

[goodall3518]

its mainly concerned with gang culture, de-stigmitisation of carrying a weapon, youth culture, etc etc....
do this kind of thing at uni.

things are beginning to change but it will take a while. its just this generations weapon of choice. previous one was plain fists, and i dont think im mistaken in saying itl change back again.

[CurtSD]

Blame the media, anyone watch bowling for collinbine (wrong spelling). Compared gun crime between USA and Canada was interesting watch tbf Canadians had like double the guns or something stupid but hardly any gun related crimes or murders.

[bridgesvtr90]

its mainly concerned with gang culture, de-stigmitisation of carrying a weapon, youth culture, etc etc....
do this kind of thing at uni.

things are beginning to change but it will take a while. its just this generations weapon of choice. previous one was plain fists, and i dont think im mistaken in saying itl change back again.

true. can see the mentality, the simple way of thinking.

kid thinks "ive got a gun, im hard, no one can fuk with me"

[AXracing]

theres less crime there as the person your about to pull a gun on is most likely to have one aswell, so more risk.

Whereas here anyone with a gun in that situation gets bowed down to. Shit really!

Agree. I just looked it up and the vast majority of gun crime in the UK is from illegally held guns.

The Australian model also fits your theory. In Australia some nut had two guns he illegal got hold of and went on a killing spree in 1996. After that the government almost over night decided to change there laws from some of the most lax to one of the strictest in the world. It ended with less than 5% of Australia able to own guns legally. The ironic part is that gun crime did not reduce but rather significantly increased every year since.

[Olly]

Agree. I just looked it up and the vast majority of gun crime in the UK is from illegally held guns.

The Australian model also fits your theory. In Australia some nut had two guns he illegal got hold of and went on a killing spree in 1996. After that the government almost over night decided to change there laws from some of the most lax to one of the strictest in the world. It ended with less than 5% of Australia able to own guns legally. The ironic part is that gun crime did not reduce but rather significantly increased every year since.

Good research there! crime is so easy in this country, for the people that commit it, probably easier than earning a proper living, something has to change really.

[goodall3518]

its more the label of something you cant have.

if they are told carrying guns is illegal, they will carry them more, as it holds danger, thrills, excitement.

legalise them and they would have to find another way to prove their "masculinity".

i.e. fists.