Is there a car...

[Mieran]

...that is:

1 - cheap as a VTS to buy
2 - Same performance (0-60 for example not bhp, so 7.7secs)
3 - insurance group not higher than 14 and about the same to insure
4 - good handling
5 - came out of the factory like that so no 2.0 corsa/nova etc
6 - easy to get parts for, cheap to modify and maintain etc
7 - decent mpg (not bigger than a 1.6)
8 - not an import

I had a think about it and I can't think of any.

Does such thing exist? 106 GTI doesn't count obviously. ;)

[stu-n-shell]

4th gen civic. 1.6 non vtec or 1.6 vtec. standard are about 130bhp cheap to mod run ect and nice little cars when done right or there is the coupe version the crx.

[Pieface]

A hatchback or more?

[Bound]

Gah, I wanted to say;

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-240-4294966983-4294967144/advert.action?R=200928337679129&distance=340&postcode=cm2+9ja&channel=CARS&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=1994&vehicleRegLetter=M

or

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-240-4294966983-4294967144/advert.action?R=200917333062974&distance=120&postcode=cm2+9ja&channel=CARS&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=1994&vehicleRegLetter=M

or

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-240-4294966983-4294967144/advert.action?R=200928337833582&distance=54&postcode=cm2+9ja&channel=CARS&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=1994&vehicleRegLetter=L

or (roflcoptah mileage)

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-240-4294966983-4294967144/advert.action?R=200930338422197&distance=24&postcode=cm2+9ja&channel=CARS&make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=1993&vehicleRegLetter=

But then I saw;

non turbo insurance group 15

single turbo insurance group 19

twin turbo is group 20

:/.

Supra isn’t necessarily an import?

[Mieran]

4th gen civic. 1.6 non vtec or 1.6 vtec. standard are about 130bhp cheap to mod run ect and nice little cars when done right

Do you mean the EK4?

[Mieran]

A hatchback or more?

It can be coupe, hatchback, saloon, anything...

[Liam_]

Mieran dude... you need to get yourself a VTS. :D

[Mieran]

Might actually do that in October when I turn 21.

The only thing putting me off and want to get another VTR is the mpg. I'll be starting uni in Sunderland so 30mile trip everyday and not sure if its worth getting a VTS.

[stu-n-shell]

nope dont think so ive only ever known it as the 4th gen or 4g.

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss213/stu36/picture1607mv1.jpg

come as hatch back coupe or saloon. saloons are hard to come by though.

[Ashleyp]

when did supras have good handling?

[Mieran]

Ahh right, the EF series

They were from the 80s, can't really compare them to a VTS and it doesn't comply with rule number 6 lol

6 - easy to get parts for, cheap to modify and maintain etc

[Liam_]

Might actually do that in October when I turn 21.

The only thing putting me off and want to get another VTR is the mpg. I'll be starting uni in Sunderland so 30mile trip everyday and not sure if its worth getting a VTS.

VTS consumption should be fine for that dude - should be cheaper to run than a heavy Veccy surely?

I'm finding mine isn't as bad on fuel as I first thought. Got me back from Essex on 3/4 tank... that's 300+ miles so not bad at all really.

[Ashleyp]

R isnt much more economical than an S i find

R is crap

S is win

answer much? lol

[stu-n-shell]

these are piss easy to get parts for mate and cheap to maintain as you can do alot of the same jobs to them as a sax and they are easy to maintain. when we had ours it needed a new rad,zorst and bonnet pull cable pick it all up for about £50.

[Mieran]

should be cheaper to run than a heavy Veccy surely?
Deffo will be. But I'm working now so can afford it, but I'm looking to quit my job and live of student loans :homme:

Insurance isn't that much different between the two either, its about £100.

[Tontsy]

a suzuki GS 500 . . . problem solved.

cheap insurance
will sit at 100 mph all day long if you wanted, and would still get you over 200 miles to a 10er of fuel.
and if you drop it, there isnt anything to break.

[wigansaxo]

get a 2cv and s it lol

[Liam_]

Deffo will be. But I'm working now so can afford it, but I'm looking to quit my job and live of student loans :homme:

Insurance isn't that much different between the two either, its about £100.

Seriously dude, get it done - you won't regret it. I'm a lowly student and run mine no problem!

Get yourself to a NE meet and go for a spin in one if you want to be sure it's worth it.

[Mieran]

yeah I've thought about it but I'm not sure if I'm going to use the performance the VTS offers so why get one in the first place if you know what I mean.

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Btw this thread got nothing to do with what car I'm getting next, I was just wondering what sort of cars are on the same level as a VTS lol

[Liam_]

A good VTS doesn't seem to go for any more money than a good VTR. Providing insurance is a manageable amount, I'd grab a VTS every time. Much smoother and a joy to drive tbh. :)

The GTI is a nice looking motor, but it's the same car for more money... and only an insurance group less I think?

[Mieran]

VTS ftw then.

Insurance on a VTR is about £550 and VTS is £640 so not a huge difference.

If I do get an S it will have to be a 2000 or older cos of tax, and must be in mauritious blue or wicked red :D

[Liam_]

Bargain that... I dread to think what I'll be paying come renewal time, haha.

Not a bad idea. Should be able to pick a good X plate up for peanuts!

[Karl]

2 groups higher, will be better on fuel, but quicker if you want it to be and about the same as a VTS to buy and better built is a phase one 172.

[Mieran]

2 groups higher, will be better on fuel, but quicker if you want it to be and about the same as a VTS to buy and better built is a phase one 172.

Aren't you the founder of the phase 1 hate group association?

[Karl]

yes, they look shit.

[essexdon]

Always prefered the phase 1 172 to the phase 2. Phase 1 looks more raw.

If you wan a cheaper alternative to a vts and i mean cheap look into a metro gti!

[Mieran]

If you wan a cheaper alternative to a vts and i mean cheap look into a metro gti!

Not looking for cheapness. Just trying to see whats on the same level.

[essexdon]

Dont really know what else to suggest, saxo's are budget motoring which tick many boxes.

[Mieran]

So yeah, we all come to a conclusion that there is no such thing.

Shitroen knew what they were doing.

[J222JRA]

Might actually do that in October when I turn 21.

The only thing putting me off and want to get another VTR is the mpg. I'll be starting uni in Sunderland so 30mile trip everyday and not sure if its worth getting a VTS.

aslong as you dont drive like a cock the vts is quite economical mate :y:

oh and get a red one, there are too many mauritius blue ones popping up for my liking lol

[Tommo87]

5th gen civic eg5 esi or an eg6 vti end of.

Eg5 is 1.6L SOHC VTEC 130bhp
Eg6 is 1.6L DOHC VTEC 160bhp