SH*T!!

[Jimbo]

Right, decided to drop my saxo 40mm.

Got myself a nice Spax VSX kit and went about getting it fitted, A family friend who has a back street garage said he would do it. I told him it had a torsion bar and that i had got a full kit not just springs.

I should have walked away when he said "so its got four springs and four shocks?". I then told him it had a torsion bar and that they work by 2 bars and a set of dampers, NO coilsprings involved. He still didn't really belive me but i went with him anyway as i had some detailed instructions from badger motorsport (Thanks Scott)

Well the job took 2 DAYS! and while doing the torsion bar neither of the torsion bars would come out with a slide hammer. So he gave up and put the up-rater dampers on the standard fucking torsion bar settings!

So now i have a saxo lowered 40 on the front and about 10-15 on the bacl. IT LOOKS WANK!. So he lubed it up and said come back next week. AM I FUCK. I know more than he does about torsion bars, i'm sure he will find a way of ballsing it up this time.

I'm really considering doing the back myself over the weekend(if i can find a slide hammer that is!). Has anyone else done theirs them selves? I think i could manage it!

Just look at it, looks like an f'ing hotrod smileys/smiley19.gif smileys/smiley19.gif

Before:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/saxojimbo/000_0552.jpg

After:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/saxojimbo/000_0741.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/saxojimbo/000_0740.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/saxojimbo/000_0742.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/saxojimbo/000_0739.jpg

The front looks ok but the back looks so crap!

SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!

[wideboy]

Buy a membership and read the How-To mate!

Might help a load!

If not - I would just try a different garage, make sure you don't have any wires crossed this time though

[Jimbo]

Well i dont have paypal, or a credit card so i can't buy it right now, which is wheni need to sort this out! lol

what you mean "wires crossed"?

[wideboy]

I should have walked away when he said "so its got four springs and four shocks?".

I then told him it had a torsion bar and that they work by 2 bars and a set of dampers, NO coilsprings involved.

He still didn't really belive me but i went with him anyway as i had some detailed instructions from badger motorsport (Thanks Scott)

Well the job took 2 DAYS!

Figure of speech mate, you know - when two people engage in a conversation and theres a fuck-up along the way....

[wideboy]

Send a cheque in the post to Si, you dont have to have paypal

[Jimbo]

Lol, well not just yet. You're like one of those guys trying to sell you somthing!

If i slide out the tortion bars and move them one spline is that roughly the right drop for -40 and also how much is -50 in splines (Don't bother saying how i should do all the mesuring and not my splines because i've heard all that before and its not an option lol)

Thanks

[wideboy]

...and no offence, but you sound like a fish out of water.

Your torsion bar is something not to be fucked with mate - if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it!

You'll need more than just a slide hammer to tackle it

[Scott]

you need to read the guide because you dont know what your doing. The badger guide tells you how to do it right, if you just remove the bars and turn them around you wont do anything to the ride height, what you have described isnt even the splines method.

Also putting new shocks on wont have lowered the back at all.

I dont get why you dont trust the guy, torsion bars can be an absolute night mare to remove, especially with a slide hammer, it took us nearly 7 hours to remove mine when i had the vtr and we eventually dropped the whole axle off and beat the bars out

[Scott]

ps unless you have put a vts engine in there get the vts badges and 16v badges to fuck

[Jimbo]

lol i know i need more than a slide hammer, i know exactly what to do and it could have been done today! but he didnt persivere (can't spell) in getting the torsion bar outand turning it one spline anti-clockwise drivers side and one spine clock-wise passenger side.

I'm not an idiot who doesn't have a clue, i've been learning mechanics for about a year now and know what im doing with most things.

I just can't be doing with all the messing about and expense when i could tackle this myself, if i took my time and read through what im doing a few times i can do this (providing i havea slide hammer to screw into the tortion bar and pull it out, while knocking the rear arm the opposite way to stop it from coming of with the torsion bar)

Don't mean to sound like im biting and taking offence to wha you just said, i just need to know if anyone else has done this them selves, not to be told not to bother and go and get it done professionaly because i can't be doing with the expense. I may have to go and get it done by a specialist, but i want to give it a go myself before because i can't be doing with yet more expense smileys/smiley13.gif

Thanks for your suggestions, and you're right in saying that they're not to be fucked with! Bloody awkward French!!!

[Jimbo]

Also putting new shocks on wont have lowered the back at all.



Thats what i tryed to tell him!!

I'm just going by the mutiple instrustions i have read telling me what to do. he didnt even know that a torsion bar didn't involve springs. thats why i think he doesn't know what he's doing.

[Jimbo]

ps unless you have put a vts engine in there get the vts badges and 16v badges to fuck

It didnt have any badges on the bump strips when i got it, and the furio ones look shit so i took them off, and replaced them with what you see there.

I don't need you telling me this as i know! i'm looking into getting different badges on there and removing the 16v ones anyway.

[Scott]

lol i know i need more than a slide hammer, i know exactly what to do and it could have been done today! but he didnt persivere (can't spell) in getting the torsion bar outand turning it one spline anti-clockwise drivers side and one spine clock-wise passenger side.


you have just proved again you dont know what you are doing. That is NOT the spline method and nor will it lower the. In fact it wont do anything at all. You NEED to remove the bars adjust the arms and then reinstert them EXACTLY as it says on the guide. You can also spin the bars one million times it wont matter, just reinsert them what ever way they fit.

The splines method you dont even remove the bars you knock the arms off and them fanny around trying to refit them.

Im not trying to offend you or put you down, but you need to read the guide and do it as it says there is no two ways about it.

[GregseaVTR]

he's helping you out mate, Just listen to him.

You may know what your doing you may not, but it isn't worth risking f**king your saxo up for a while is it, and forking out more to get it fixed.

help is here for a reason http://www.badgermotorsport.co.uk/lowering.htm

Dan

[Jimbo]

No, i understand you're not trying to put me down, i assumed this was how you do it because this is how far we got....

Providing he had of persiveired (can't spell again) in getting the torsion bar out, we would of got onto the next step. Have a little read of the "Lowering the rear torsion bar" section in the haynes modifying manual. This says:

"One at a time (drivers side first)remove the torsion bar, turn it snti-clockwise one spline and re-insert it."

Can you see what i mean? i basicaly described what it says there.

[Jimbo]

yeah, i am listening Dan, and he obviously knows what he's doing, and i'm greatful that he's helping me.

I'm just explaning myself as we go along

[Sean]

Fuck the haynes manual method, the badger guide is how to do it properly, trailing arms stay put.

[Dan]

I'd listen to scott mate. smileys/smiley2.gif

[saxx]

who takes there car to a garage where the bloke doesnt sound like he has a clue!!!!

as for havin a go.....if u fuck it up how u gunna fix it? personally id go find another garage

[Jimbo]

i just need to know if anyone else has done this them selves, not to be told not to bother and go and get it done professionaly because i can't be doing with the expense.

[Jimbo]

Looks like i will have to take it back and we will have to give it another go. I'll have to tell them that from talking to people on here who have done this countless times that it's really stubborn. They just thought the whole lot was seized and that it will never come out, so their solution was to put the up-rated dampers on and that would lower it 40 smileys/smiley5.gif

Just has to be done, even if it means taking the whole rear suspension assembly off as Scott said.

Think i'll say that they want to bear in mind that they really should have done it the first time when they're pricing it up. They're family friends anyway (thats why i took it there saxx... otherwise i would have gone to a specialist)

[Scott]

another option before dropping the rear off is to remove the washer and botl at the opposite end, using a hefty entension bar and a large hammer and hammer the bar out. Just the same really but instead of pulling it out your pushing from the other side smileys/smiley14.gif They can be an absolute pissing nightmare

[Jimbo]

as i have found out lol, Fitted my new cituning show cage today so im in a better mood smileys/smiley17.gif