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WestyVTR
7th September 2009, 17:33
"" Cosworth will power three new teams next season, ending a three-year F1 hiatus ""

:hug::drink::y:

Legendary engine builders Cosworth will return to Formula One racing next season after a three-year absence, having agreed three-year supply deals with 2010 newcomers Campos Grand Prix, Manor Grand Prix and Team US. Their last appearance was with Williams and Toro Rosso at the 2006 Brazilian Grand Prix, which marked the end of a 38-year run of F1 involvement.

Originally the brainchild of British engineers Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth, Cosworth was set-up in a small London workshop in 1958. The pair, convinced their future paths lay in designing engines for racing cars, began working on the development of a Ford 105E unit almost immediately. Success followed and in 1960, Jim Clark drove to victory in a Cosworth-powered Lotus 18 in a Formula Junior race held at Goodwood.

The win would be the first of many for the engine builders and as their reputation grew, the company expanded and relocated to Northampton in the mid-sixties. In 1966, Duckworth signed a contract with Ford to develop a new three-litre Formula One engine. The agreement spawned the legendary DFV (Double Four Valve) engine and marked the beginning of a relationship which would last for almost four decades.

Duckworth’s DFV was a quantum leap forward in terms of engine design and remains the most successful in the history of Formula One racing. The first unit was delivered to Lotus in time for the 1967 Dutch Grand Prix and fittingly it was Jim Clark who drove it to a historic victory on its maiden outing.

The same engine, in different guises, would go on to win a total of 155 Grands Prix over the next 15 years. Emerson Fittipaldi, Jackie Stewart, James Hunt and Nelson Piquet were just some of the names who took titles in the 1970s driving Cosworth-powered cars. Success wasn’t solely reserved for Formula One racing. In the seventies, the DFX version dominated the Indy/Cart series in the US, clinching a total of 10 championships and 151 wins during a 14-year reign.

Cosworth had supplanted the DFV with a new engine, the HB, by the late 1980s. This new design won 11 races between 1989 and 1993, before being replaced by the Zetec V8 F1, which powered Michael Schumacher to his first title for Benetton in 1994. When Benetton switched to Renault power the following year, Cosworth began supplying the Ford-supported Sauber team.

Another switch in 1996 saw Cosworth designing a new V10 engine for the Stewart Grand Prix team, run by three-time world champion Jackie Stewart. A three-year partnership followed, with steady progress resulting in Johnny Herbert’s victory in the 1999 European Grand Prix. In 2000, Ford bought Stewart, and Cosworth - by then already owned by the car manufacturer - continued to supply engines to the rechristened Jaguar team, alongside several other customer teams.

Ford departed Formula One racing at the end of 2004 and Cosworth once more came under new ownership. In 2005, both Red Bull and Minardi were powered by the company’s V10 engines, whilst in 2006 Cosworth supplied Williams with a newly-designed V8 and provided Red Bull’s sister team Toro Rosso with the older, rev-limited V10. The V8 proved an immediate hit, with Nico Rosberg scoring a fastest lap in Bahrain, and the engine received much praise - particularly for its ability to regularly rev to the magical 20,000 rpm mark.

However, it wasn’t enough to stop an inevitable Williams-Toyota deal for 2007. Toro Rosso also called time on their Cosworth contract and when the then Spyker team sealed a Ferrari deal it effectively ended Cosworth’s run of almost four decades in F1 racing. However, it didn’t stop the company retaining close ties with the FIA, whose ongoing efforts to bring down costs have included offering new teams a sensibly -priced, fixed-cost engine option. A new chapter in Cosworth’s F1 history has begun.

Sparco_Tom
7th September 2009, 17:36
tis good to hear they will be back

stevie_m
7th September 2009, 17:40
good news but i wonder who will be taking up the places of the teams who are quitting

jdizzy
7th September 2009, 17:56
good news man. :) cosworth engines = build quality

WestyVTR
8th September 2009, 10:12
cosworth are teh best engine builder in the world end of discussion... agreed ??

the issue will be the roockie teams trying to keep up with experience of farrari mclaren etc....

i cant belive farari have poached team india driver!

Jordysport
8th September 2009, 10:28
old news, but good news.

pjm300
8th September 2009, 10:29
good news man. :) cosworth engines = build quality

cos honda, bmw and mercedes make shit engines yeah?

cj_99
8th September 2009, 10:29
good news but i wonder who will be taking up the places of the teams who are quitting

They've already named some teams that are entering next year heres a run down.

McLaren-Mercedes
Scuderia Ferrari
Renault F1 Team
Toyota Racing
Scuderia Toro Rosso
Williams
Force India F1 Team
Brawn GP
Campos Meta Team
Team USF1
Manor Grand Prix

Jordysport
8th September 2009, 10:29
even better news is that Prodrive will probably going into F1 branded as Astin martin.

pjm300
8th September 2009, 10:30
even better news is that Prodrive will probably going into F1 branded as Astin martin.

they didnt get picked

WestyVTR
8th September 2009, 10:32
i thought prodrive pulled out??

baker556
8th September 2009, 10:44
good news !

WestyVTR
8th September 2009, 10:53
cos honda, bmw and mercedes make shit engines yeah?

Cosworth and Rolls Royce are kings of engine building you must conceed!

car giants like Ford used to bring specialists in....! Ford make good engines as do the above but come on Cosworth... :fcuk:

CampDavid
8th September 2009, 11:02
Cosworth and Rolls Royce are kings of engine building you must conceed!

car giants like Ford used to bring specialists in....! Ford make good engines as do the above but come on Cosworth... :fcuk:

Hardly. Cosworth died a few years back, no one from the DFV days (which was, historicly, very important and a great lump) is there anymore, it's a new company effectively.

Rolls Royce? That push rod V8 is 40+ years old and it's a pretty unrefined old Hector. The Phantom uses a BMW derived lump, it only shres the capacity with the old thing.

The best engines today come straight out of Ferrari, BMWs M Sport devision and Porsche. Chevrolet could stake a claim, having made 100,000,000 small blocks (they have actually made 100m engines, that's not an exageration) but tbh the europeans do it better

CampDavid
8th September 2009, 11:04
The V8 proved an immediate hit, with Nico Rosberg scoring a fastest lap in Bahrain, and the engine received much praise - particularly for its ability to regularly rev to the magical 20,000 rpm mark.

In Brazil 2006 they were trying to become the only team ever to run a whole race weekend with a 20k rev limit, sadly both the drivers binned it. The 2006 V8 was an awesome lump and only politics kept it from being used by a lot of teams in 2007

Danr
8th September 2009, 11:04
Still waiting for my call from Ferrari to go drive for them next year.... keep your fingers crossed guyz!

bensvarups
8th September 2009, 11:20
Cosworth certainly don't build the best F1 engines!

It's good to hear they are coming back to F1 for these teams. We need manufacturers in F1.

WestyVTR
8th September 2009, 13:51
Hardly. Cosworth died a few years back, no one from the DFV days (which was, historicly, very important and a great lump) is there anymore, it's a new company effectively.

Rolls Royce? That push rod V8 is 40+ years old and it's a pretty unrefined old Hector. The Phantom uses a BMW derived lump, it only shres the capacity with the old thing.

The best engines today come straight out of Ferrari, BMWs M Sport devision and Porsche. Chevrolet could stake a claim, having made 100,000,000 small blocks (they have actually made 100m engines, that's not an exageration) but tbh the europeans do it better

interesting and good knowledge ! :drink:

cosworth are heavey drinkers! "The (2006) Cosworth engine uses clearly more fuel than the current engines," Head is quoted as saying by Auto Motor und Sport. "The cars will have to carry 15 kilograms more (fuel) for a race distance


Rolls-Royce/Snecma Olympus engines was capable of travelling twice the speed of sound - Concorde -

djmartin
8th September 2009, 13:59
cos honda, bmw and mercedes make shit engines yeah?

yeh ok lol BMW have the most awards since some engine awards thingy was presented back in 1999. in 2005 by then they already attained 36 awards for engines. and it looks like they will do it again this year with there new diesel engine pushing out over 300bhp.

honda has the Vtech which was a break through for perfomance hence why the honda s2000 can hit 9k on its revs.

and mercs AMG engines kick the shit out of most cars out there.


so clearly you need to do your homework lols.

djmartin
8th September 2009, 14:00
Still waiting for my call from Ferrari to go drive for them next year.... keep your fingers crossed guyz!

dint know they needed a new driver for there scalextric championships ;)

pjm300
8th September 2009, 14:39
yeh ok lol BMW have the most awards since some engine awards thingy was presented back in 1999. in 2005 by then they already attained 36 awards for engines. and it looks like they will do it again this year with there new diesel engine pushing out over 300bhp.

honda has the Vtech which was a break through for perfomance hence why the honda s2000 can hit 9k on its revs.

and mercs AMG engines kick the shit out of most cars out there.


so clearly you need to do your homework lols.

you need to learn how to read

Jordysport
8th September 2009, 14:57
they didnt get picked

No i didn't mean this year,lol should of said that, can't wait for them anyway as the did awsome in Lemans.

djmartin
8th September 2009, 15:19
you need to learn how to read

ah yeh me see good call mate.

my bad.

but least I have answerd something if anyone tries to say something bad about those engines haha.

because they aint :).

cosworth engines though have been around for ages.

nigel mansell, the late earnen senner (spl)
they both ran with cossy engines iirc.

WestyVTR
9th September 2009, 09:29
ah yeh me see good call mate.

my bad.

but least I have answerd something if anyone tries to say something bad about those engines haha.

because they aint :).

cosworth engines though have been around for ages.

nigel mansell, the late earnen senner (spl)
they both ran with cossy engines iirc.

nothing bad at all with those engines... they are solid units, imo cosworth will come up with a few suprises....

CampDavid
9th September 2009, 09:42
interesting and good knowledge ! :drink:

cosworth are heavey drinkers! "The (2006) Cosworth engine uses clearly more fuel than the current engines," Head is quoted as saying by Auto Motor und Sport. "The cars will have to carry 15 kilograms more (fuel) for a race distance


Rolls-Royce/Snecma Olympus engines was capable of travelling twice the speed of sound - Concorde -

The Rolls Royce efforts in Concorde are made by a completely seperate company, RR engineering and RR cars haven't been the same company for years and years. If you want to talk about the Aero engines though the Concorde engines were good, however the Merlin 27 litre changed the war. It gave the spitfire the power it needed and was even fitted to the P51 Mustang by the Americans. No exageration to say it changed the war.

At the other end of the aero scale the Pratt & Whitney J58-P4 is still the daddy. Weighing in at 2 and a half tons it requires two V8 buick engines just to get it going. It then consumes a more than a ton of fuel every 5 minutes. The result is 32,500lb of thrust, meaning that the two engines bolted onto the wings of the Lockhead SR71 can chugg allong at 2200mph, in fact 2500mph would have been easily possible with that much shove. Over double the speed of the concorde. Not bad for the 1960s and nothing today comes close to being as quick.

ukgaz
9th September 2009, 10:08
mmmm cosworth technology in a saxo, that would be nice :D shame its never gonna happen

WestyVTR
9th September 2009, 10:16
The Rolls Royce efforts in Concorde are made by a completely seperate company, RR engineering and RR cars haven't been the same company for years and years. If you want to talk about the Aero engines though the Concorde engines were good, however the Merlin 27 litre changed the war. It gave the spitfire the power it needed and was even fitted to the P51 Mustang by the Americans. No exageration to say it changed the war.

At the other end of the aero scale the Pratt & Whitney J58-P4 is still the daddy. Weighing in at 2 and a half tons it requires two V8 buick engines just to get it going. It then consumes a more than a ton of fuel every 5 minutes. The result is 32,500lb of thrust, meaning that the two engines bolted onto the wings of the Lockhead SR71 can chugg allong at 2200mph, in fact 2500mph would have been easily possible with that much shove. Over double the speed of the concorde. Not bad for the 1960s and nothing today comes close to being as quick.

the spitfire engine came from the schider tropy winner "R" engine! teh dam thing couldnt run for more than 15 minutes before it went pop! v12 27litre, PV12 ran approx 1000bhp iirc?! It was developed and named Merlin i think that engine had 750bhp but ws reliable, well enough to win the war... lol

WestyVTR
9th September 2009, 10:17
mmmm cosworth technology in a saxo, that would be nice :D shame its never gonna happen

the guy who dos all work on my car has a cossie lump in his transit van ! :y:

pjm300
9th September 2009, 10:22
taz was in the process of putting a cossie lump in his ax.

dunno how far he is with that

WestyVTR
9th September 2009, 11:26
was he putting it inteh boot? what lump was it?

The transit had a chevvy rear axel when cossie lump was put in originally.. its got an 02 transit axcel now iirc.

CampDavid
9th September 2009, 11:42
There is a red, wide arch P2 106 with a cossie drive train knocking about

jpsaxo
9th September 2009, 12:03
There is a red, wide arch P2 106 with a cossie drive train knocking about

Heres a couple of pics Dave

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/jpsaxo/47_1_b.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/jpsaxo/a6_1_b.jpg

pjm300
9th September 2009, 12:04
stunning :D

WestyVTR
9th September 2009, 12:11
yep seen that must handle like a pig though it has indipendant susp.