Saxo Handling

[Barton1806]

Wanting to lower my vtr bout 60mm

If I just buy springs and lower the torsion bar what will it handle like. Or do I have to buy coilover to get handle better.

Also anyone have an idea of a good set of tyres that are also quite cheap.

cheers

[titchster]

Just springs and lowering the bars will make it handle better. Adding dampers will make it even better.

Good set of tyres IMO, is Toyo Proxes T1R. :y:

[TU-Tuning]

Or Eagle F1s

[jeffchiz]

it's best to lower it 40 mm with new dampers and lower strut brace any lower than 40 then the dampers will wear out quite quick

[Aron]

all depnds on what equipment you are using. No need for coilovers unless the car will be used for track use and you are goin to be adjusting all settings allot

[Steve]

dont need coilovers unless wanting to run hard springs and be low.

For driving around on the streets just need springs imo

[Aron]

coilovers arent just for hard springs or low. you could run soft springs up high. They just give you the adjustment needed if you want to try different set ups.

[Mochachino]

Im down 60mm on the front with spax 60mm springs and bilstein inserts. It seems to handle ok and grip is amazing with the Goodyear Eagle F1's.

Though going that low messes all the geometry up, so really it dosent handle that well, but can still grip amazing.

I havnt pushed a saxo with a really good set up before to be able to test the handling out before so i cant compare, but only go by what ive read.

The rear of my car is standard just lowered, and it feel really saggy and soft, horrible feeling tbh.

[Steve]

coilovers arent just for hard springs or low. you could run soft springs up high. They just give you the adjustment needed if you want to try different set ups.

With my comment about coilovers this was refering to your track post.

why would you want soft springs, on a track car with coilovers?

Only so low you can go when running harder springs, 240mm free length seems ideal. But if wanting to go harder again on the same length spring the car will sit higher. And you cant really get a shorter spring as then it will move around on the strut and IMO un safe.

Like i said.

dont need coilovers unless wanting to run hard springs and be low.

^IMO

[Aron]

yea im not saying you want soft springs im just saying you can use anything on them.

personly i dont really see much point of coilovers on a saxo unless you are going for pure look with being low or using it as a track car

[Slammed_Posi_Vtr]

I wouldn't lower it 60mm on the front if you are after decent handling matey, 35mm - 40mm for the best results.

[Steve]

yea im not saying you want soft springs im just saying you can use anything on them.

personly i dont really see much point of coilovers on a saxo unless you are going for pure look with being low or using it as a track car

i know what your saying :hug:

[Aron]

i am glad we cam to an understanding! lol :hug:

[Steve]

fpmsl....

[KamRacing]

coilovers can help when you want to go low as you can run a second helper spring to stop the spring detaching from the spring cup when the wheel is fully extended.

[dannyboy2005]

I was down 40MM all the way round, 195 tyres, lower and upper brace. AWSUME HANDLING

Then i bought some new Kuhmo's for the front. Go round any round about flat out and you'll still go round.

Any lower then 45mm iirc, the body of the car wont felx, thus not allowing the weight of the car to 'push' down on the tyre to make contact.

Invest in a brace.

[Aron]

you dont want the car to flex. weight will transfer if the car is set up right to allow best tyre contact

[sparky771]

so is it safe to say 60mm is too low

Would i be right in sayin:

60mm or lower = Looks

50mm = Bit or both looks and performance

40mm or higher = Performance

[dannyboy2005]

so is it safe to say 60mm is too low

Would i be right in sayin:

60mm or lower = Looks

50mm = Bit or both looks and performance

40mm or higher = Performance

Thats right, 35 - 45 is the 'Performance' height.

I mean, it will be a FIRM ride down at 60mm, no lean at all but plenty of understeer.

Do a search, i've asked this question before and thought the lower the better. But after reading nemourous threads on forums and looking into it, it all makes sence.

The best thread i read was bout allowing the tyre to 'Compress' and the chassie to flex very slightly, and using different springs with different dampers, what they dop and how they react etc. Its on Sax-P somewhere.

[titchster]

Car's will still handle if they're lowered 60mm.

Mine feels (and did with just springs) as planted, and can take corners just as quickly, and in all honesty, doesn't feel a great deal different, to my old car which was 40mm.

[Steve]

so is it safe to say 60mm is too low

Would i be right in sayin:

60mm or lower = Looks

50mm = Bit or both looks and performance

40mm or higher = Performance

depends on what basis you look at it really.

40mm on standard shocks.

70mm on psf dampers with coilovers and 21mm torsion bars would then out handle 40mm :afro:

[Aron]

on a track 60mm will be fine if you use the right equipment. people are down very low and handle brilliant.

[AXracing]

Unless you are a accomplished driver and can lap consistently flat out having adjustment will not help, if anything it will get you in more trouble. You are far better off with just a known good setup.

Optimal ride hight will depend on the track and if your jumping curbs. Generally for flat track work 50mm will be ok. For the road around 30 40 mm is a safer bet. For really bumpy stuff even higher than standard will likely be used. As long as you have enough travel that your not bottoming out its far more important how well the suspension is balanced than how low you are.

Rear suspension is far more important on these cars than you may imagine. Be warned against going to hard on the front especially with no LSD.

Also be warned about what people may tell you is a “good” setup. There is no insult intended but most people don't know what a good setup is. There is where tuners that are successful race teams in there own right come in as they know what there talking about.

[sparky771]

http://www.jiperformance.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16783

I was looking into buying this kit? Is it any good and worth the money?

[Aron]

personly i rate the spax stuff as a basic kit. good quality and do work well. they will get slated alot but they are good for the price. check the apex kit out from kamracing aswell as they are very good for the money

[AlexB]

out of the 2 aron i prefer the apex (for those who dont know ive had both)

but between the 2 there isnt much difference tbh