Question time.

[Mr_X]

Along shot i know, anyone going to be watching this?

views

[Eldridge]

nick griffin's on it isnt he?

[MattySmith]

my dad was saying something about it, might be worth a watch and yeah nick griffins will be on it

[Mr_X]

yep!...

[Heliosphan]

I'll be tuning in without a doubt.

[Dom]

Watching this will make me angry, Hate the BNP and everything they stand for.

[saxo_asa]

Yeh just to see what Nick griffin has to say

[Mr_X]

I think it will either go incredible well or a total fail on NG behalf. It will be good to see how he withstands to all the questioning.

I find it rather interesting tho, BNP are more popular than they ought to be. Which would lead me to suggest that if the major parties had, had a controlled immigration policy then the BNP would have never come about.

[MrHouston]

Will watch it on iplayer, didn't know he was on it thanks for reminder :)

[stinkycheese]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/lshawelu/THATSRACIST.gif

[bullit]

ill be watching and supp0rting nick

[CharlotteBD]

BNP ftw :L

[nicole_]

BNP ftw :L

charlotte nooo :omg: lol

[chris_rolling]

shouldnt be allowed on imo, holocaust denial (which is a criminal offence in many countries), against non-white membership, used to be a proud nazi group before NG, all he has done is tone down the partys image to get more votes, but still with the majority of members being involved with the party before this. he is targeting the white working class preaching that 'immigrants' are taking all our jobs etc, imo i believe that if somone is willing to leave there lives and somtimes families to come to this country to work (99% of all immigrants + including doctors/lawyers) and benefit our economy, working harder than people whose philosophy is "were english, we deserve the work first", then fair play to them. Immigration is the keystone of our economy FACT and anyone supporting the BNP or their ideas is misinformed FACT, dont care what BNP supporters say against that, because all of that is 100% premium fact and common logic. the country hasnt lost its 'identity', the world has. BNP get over it

[23carragold]

will be interesting to see what happens, but hopefull they will be shown up for the nazi racist scum that they are. I detest everything that they stand for and anyone stupid enough to be fooled by their fascist lies. the bnp is a cancer in our society that is growing and needs to be removed.

[Saxoladlesta]

I like how everyone demonstrates against him but nothing is mentioned and no one says a word when terrorists are entertained by this government i.e Sinn Fein.:clapping:

[chris_rolling]

I like how everyone demonstrates against him but nothing is mentioned and no one says a word when terrorists are entertained by this government i.e Sinn Fein.:clapping:

sinn fein are now preaching peace, so we cannot say anything, whilst the taliban are not, so we can act upon that. when the troubles were happening, the SAS/SBS/paras/marines etc were sorting it out. dont really see what sinn fein has to do with anything really. the BNP hate anyone or anything non-white british so will also hate your local indian GP or your chinese resteraunt, branding them a threat against the UK.

[Mr_X]

shouldnt be allowed on imo, holocaust denial (which is a criminal offence in many countries), against non-white membership, used to be a proud nazi group before NG, all he has done is tone down the partys image to get more votes, but still with the majority of members being involved with the party before this. he is targeting the white working class preaching that 'immigrants' are taking all our jobs etc, imo i believe that if somone is willing to leave there lives and somtimes families to come to this country to work (99% of all immigrants + including doctors/lawyers) and benefit our economy, working harder than people whose philosophy is "were english, we deserve the work first", then fair play to them. Immigration is the keystone of our economy FACT and anyone supporting the BNP or their ideas is misinformed FACT, dont care what BNP supporters say against that, because all of that is 100% premium fact and common logic. the country hasnt lost its 'identity', the world has. BNP get over it

could argue it will be a good thing, transparentness

[stinkycheese]

sinn fein are now preaching peace, so we cannot say anything, whilst the taliban are not, so we can act upon that. when the troubles were happening, the SAS/SBS/paras/marines etc were sorting it out. dont really see what sinn fein has to do with anything really. the BNP hate anyone or anything non-white british so will also hate your local indian GP or your chinese resteraunt, branding them a threat against the UK.

check out their website

[Roj]

have been waiting for this for 2 weeks now. should be pretty interesting.

the BNP are just a bunch of racists who pray on people who do not understand the consequences of what they get led to support.

i lol'd when I heard they used a picture of Churchill with a plane in the background to try and support their campaign. funning thing is that war was agains the German National Party haha

[chris_rolling]

could argue it will be a good thing, transparentness

very true. the BNP havent really challenged their resistance in the public eye, deviating around the subject, so will be fun to see them squirm on live tv

[Mr_X]

very true. the BNP havent really challenged their resistance in the public eye, deviating around the subject, so will be fun to see them squirm on live tv

yeah. I will be interest to see how it plans out.

[chris_rolling]

check out their website

they want to end british rule, but so do the scottish national party. the thing is that recently they have spoken out saying that it is alot easier, and more likely to happen if they do it peacefully. there is even talk of them surrendering the majority of there illegal arms

[Roj]

the problem is the people who they want support from arent educated enough to see through the lies and bullshit. thats why its dangerous to put them on tv

[chris_rolling]

Now
Welcome to the British National Party

Welcome to the temporary website of the British National Party. We have had to take our normal website offline due to the enormous amount of ordinary people, just like you, visiting our website.

Are you sick and tired of being treated like a second-class citizen in your own country? Are you angered by rising crime, corruption, immigration and media lies? Have you had enough of being called a ‘racist’ because you are proud to be British? Are you sickened by the politicians stealing your money in fiddled expenses whilst you struggling to pay the bills? Have you had enough of watching foreigners come here and take our jobs and housing? Are you disgusted that the super-rich banks have been bailed out but unemployed people and pensioners get hardly anything?

Then
When asked in 1993 if the BNP was racist, its deputy leader Richard Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes". Founder John Tyndall proclaimed that "Mein Kampf is my bible".

cant really see much change there...

[Dom]

The people that support the BNP are cunts. The people that support the BNP moan about British Jobs for British workers but they forgot to put in that they are unemployed scum scrounging off the government and getting false benefits.

If the British want the jobs available they should apply for them, not sit back and get benefits, and then moan about it afterwards.. BNP are so pathetic, If I had my way I would bring back hanging and hang all the bastards that support the BNP.. Nick Griffin is the New Hitler, you must be either a corsa owner or fucking dumb not to realise.

Vote Conservative or Labour. Fuck the rest.

[chris_rolling]

Vote Conservative or Labour. Fuck the rest.

:y: thread/

[Mr_X]

The people that support the BNP are cunts

prejudice much?


im not a bnp supporter, more tory.

[Bickerton]

Sad when a party is winning votes purely upon the grounds they will reduce the amount of people of foreign decent British citizens.

What are their other main policies, can any of their supporters sell this party to me with them?

[scottyvtr]

i agree in what the BBC said about it earlier ............. they have views and supporters so they should be aloud to be heard wrightly or wrongly


otherwise its a case of the PC brigade winning the day

[chris_rolling]

and the BNP arnt prejudice?

[Mr_X]

Sad when a party is winning votes purely upon the grounds they will reduce the amount of people of foreign decent British citizens.

What are their other main policies, can any of their supporters sell this party to me with them?

i would hope this will be discussed, but it will end up in a heated unproductive row,

[Mr_X]

and the BNP arnt prejudice?

my point ;)

[scottyvtr]

and the BNP arnt prejudice?

think Mr_X was meaning Domleydon with what he said lol

[Bickerton]

i would hope this will be discussed, but it will end up in a heated unproductive row,

Yup!

Will watch it on the bbci player tomorrow, wanna see how blinkered he is in the interview

[Mr_X]

think Mr_X was meaning Domleydon with what he said lol

:y: yeah lol

[PSPDan]

I will be watching. Glad that he is getting the chance to put his points across, assuming he has any worth putting across.

Pretty sure the show will be a farce though and every time he opens his mouth he will be shouted down and called racist.

[chris_rolling]

think Mr_X was meaning Domleydon with what he said lol

i knew that lol, just didnt know if he was reppin the BNP with the comment, so was retorting that anyone who supports the BNP cannot contradict people calling them names, and being prejudice against them. now realise that Mr_X opposes the BNP

[Mr_X]

I will be watching. Glad that he is getting the chance to put his points across, assuming he has any worth putting across.

Pretty sure the show will be a farce though and every time he opens his mouth he will be shouted down and called racist.

i know it will happen, will just ruin it and be counter-productive. I think let him speak and dig his own grave.

a win for bbc

[chris_rolling]

anyone from the BNP want to respond? ;)
promise we wont bite :hug:

[Jazz]

will be watching indeed, hope the twat gets flamed properly. Its easy to remember that our forfathers had their limbs blown off in WW2 to get rid of nazi's.. and here we're giving airtime to one on TV. How funny.

[Bickerton]

will be watching indeed, hope the twat gets flamed properly. Its easy to remember that our forfathers had their limbs blown off in WW2 to get rid of nazi's.. and here we're giving airtime to one on TV. How funny.

Not nazi's similar beliefs tho

[Jazz]

Not nazi's similar beliefs tho

Similar in his goals though, regarless of how he tries to dress it up. Same mentallity.

[Dom]

If the BNP ever gets into power, It will fuck the world up, Just imagine what sort of wars they would start with Poland and Iran etc.

Fascist bastards.

[Bickerton]

Similar in his goals though, regarless of how he tries to dress it up. Same mentallity.

Indeed, but two different things, very comparable but different nevertheless

[Jazz]

Indeed, but two different things, very comparable but different nevertheless

Same shit different logo tbh.

"Nazi Party
Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

BNP
The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist.

Nazi Party
Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

BNP
It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."

Not entirely the same but similar enough in their aims

[chris_rolling]

Same shit different logo tbh.

"Nazi Party
Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

BNP
The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist.
."

Not entirely the same but similar enough in their aims

As mentioned, various members have said that mein kampf is their bible, and have not attacked the accusation of being an 'openly nazi party'. they ARE nazi sympathisers. a load of there members have got serious criminal convictions. could you see any rational government party recruiting criminals?

[Heliosphan]

A large proportion of people that voted for the BNP and support the BNP are upset middle class people sick to death with the government's total failure in controlling immigration. It really is time you got your head out of the sand if you think people who vote BNP are all idiots.

Also, If you want to see who the real fascist bigots are, take a look at the protesters outside (and inside) the BBC studios. Seeing as Griffin is a democratically elected MEP that's an attack on democracy and free speech.

Whatever happens on the show, it's a victory for the BNP and Griffin knows that.

[PSPDan]

The crazy woman being dragged across the floor in protest on the news just then made me lol.

[SneakyVTR]

Question Time will probably have the highest viewing figures in the programmes history tonight!

[Heliosphan]

If the BNP ever gets into power, It will fuck the world up, Just imagine what sort of wars they would start with Poland and Iran etc.

Fascist bastards.


You mean like the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

The BNP would pull our forces out tomorrow if they were in power.

[Mr_X]

lol, i can see this will be a waste of time.

[Mr_X]

i would like to have an opinion on the immigration but i dont have the facts on the case tbh.

LOL @ the protesters, ironic.

[PSPDan]

lol, i can see this will be a waste of time.

+1...

I can't sit here and type about hating the man personally because I've never actually been able to listen to his views or policies properly.

[Saxoladlesta]

sinn fein are now preaching peace, so we cannot say anything.

Glad to see that now they are preaching peace it is ok to sit around the same table as Gerry Adams & Matin McGuinness?maybe once the taliban start preaching peace it'll be ok to invite Bin Laden over?


Not a BNP fan just funny how people get so worked up about him being on a TV show.

[Heliosphan]

The people that support the BNP are cunts. The people that support the BNP moan about British Jobs for British workers but they forgot to put in that they are unemployed scum scrounging off the government and getting false benefits.

If the British want the jobs available they should apply for them, not sit back and get benefits, and then moan about it afterwards.. BNP are so pathetic, If I had my way I would bring back hanging and hang all the bastards that support the BNP.. Nick Griffin is the New Hitler, you must be either a corsa owner or fucking dumb not to realise.

Vote Conservative or Labour. Fuck the rest.


You've been brainwashed.

Of course we have more white people claiming benefits that immigrants. That's because more white people live here you idiot. You obviously aren't aware that as a % of peoples the highest proportion of people claiming benefits are immigrants. Good job I came, you've learned something right?

[chris_rolling]

You mean like the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

The BNP would pull our forces out tomorrow if they were in power.

lol you really believe that? im in the application process to be an officer in the marines, and its obvious that no political party could pull out of afganistan in the next few years. the place is in the shit to say the least, and the taliban have major influence in pakistan and are spreading to india. there is alot more work to be done, and i dont believe that the BNP know better than the majority of the coilition forces, who realise that contrary to some public opinion, we need to stay there. there just making bullshit up to get naive voters so that they can gain power and concentrate on there 'real aims'. end of the day, the BNP will never, (seriously never) get any majority vote in Uk elections, and will never have the chance to carry out their sick policies. :y:

[chris_rolling]

You've been brainwashed.

Of course we have more white people claiming benefits that immigrants. That's because more white people live here you idiot. You obviously aren't aware that as a % of peoples the highest proportion of people claiming benefits are immigrants. Good job I came, you've learned something right?

you serious? lmao maybe some immigrants gain benefits, but you know why? because their families have been murdered in their country/theve been threatened with execution in their country/they are trying to get on their feet to start a career or buisness etc, whilst the majority of white british are on benefits because they are f'in lazy cretins.

anyway, was just listening to the radio and apparently he gets creamed in the question section lol cant wait!

[Mango_Wes]

I am with BNP ...

[Heliosphan]

you serious? lmao maybe some immigrants gain benefits, but you know why? because their families have been murdered in their country/theve been threatened with execution in their country/they are trying to get on their feet to start a career or buisness etc, whilst the majority of white british are on benefits because they are f'in lazy cretins.

anyway, was just listening to the radio and apparently he gets creamed in the question section lol cant wait!


You're deluded mate.

I couldn't give a stuff what happens in their own countries. How is that our problem? We don't owe anyone a living or has Britain suddenly become a refugee dumping ground?

If people are out of work then that's something the government needs to address in terms of return to work schemes and basically review the benefits system etc.

[Mango_Wes]

You're deluded mate.

I couldn't give a stuff what happens in their own countries. How is that our problem? We don't owe anyone a living or has Britain suddenly become a refugee dumping ground?

If people are out of work then that's something the government needs to address in terms of return to work schemes and basically review the benefits system etc.

Your 110% correct Helio.

I like the plans Nick wants to inplace on the UK.

I cant wait to see it tonight.

[PSPDan]

To be fair I wouldn't mind the fact they seek refuge here as much if other countries helped too. But they are all happy to send them to Britain.

[Mango_Wes]

To be fair I wouldn't mind the fact they seek refuge here as much if other countries helped too. But they are all happy to send them to Britain.


Thast one of the things Nick wants to fix Dan, Hes fed up with all of them ending up here.

Hence the 'IF they pass another safe country on the way here they will be denied entry'

whats wrong with that?

Thats 100% fair?

If they passed 3-4 other places they can seek refuge in. Then they wont be able to enter the UK.


There for, making it some one else's problem for a change.

[Sophia_Bush]

well he has gone off on some not related and got booed so far

[Dom]

Oh wow, Nick Griffin went really low on Jack Straw, If I was Jack Straw I would break NG's legs.

EDIT: All we need now is Jeremy Kyle to come out with a Microphone, this has turned into a P.R. stunt.

[Mr_X]

bored/

[Sophia_Bush]

has to be they are totally laying into the twat now. Everything they asked the cunt he deviates does not answer and keeps smirking at whatever anyone says. He looks like he got poked in the eye with some jizzz

[smiith]

hes getting totaly merked

[Mr_X]

has to be they are totally laying into the twat now. Everything they asked the cunt he deviates does not answer and keeps smirking at whatever anyone says. He looks like he got poked in the eye with some jizzz

lol, yeah.


starting to get v.pissed of tbh,

[Sophia_Bush]

yeah mr x dam right they are just ripping him

[sparky771]

it is quite funny to be honest haha

[PSPDan]

Well his rant about Islam got a clap... Not a complete waste of time turning up then.

[Steve_90]

Should have got Peter Griffin instead.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j27/step90/PeterGriffin.png

[Mr_X]

Should have got Peter Griffin instead.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j27/step90/PeterGriffin.png

looks the same too. lol

all i can say......

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0806/giant-tool-demotivational-poster-1213803729.jpg

[Steve_90]

On a serious note, Britain needs a government that can actually control immigration and not get taken advantage of like it does, and that includes English born people on the dole and draining the system.
Race doesn't even come into it.

[Sophia_Bush]

dont you feel it is a bit of a farce in the grand scheme of things? Most / All questions asked he has dodged/not answered/deviated from the point.

Policians doesnt matter which ones you get in power next election will be who will do the best of a bad job

edit - steve agree mate but plenty more problems on top of that aswell :(

[Steve_90]

dont you feel it is a bit of a farce in the grand scheme of things? Most / All questions asked he has dodged/not answered/deviated from the point.

Policians doesnt matter which ones you get in power next election will be who will do the best of a bad job

Especially Jack Straw. He just tells a story for every answer hoping no one will realise.

[PSPDan]

Especially Jack Straw. He just tells a story for every answer hoping no one will realise.

Exactly.

Jack Straw is dodging more questions than Griffin.

[Mr_X]

dont you feel it is a bit of a farce in the grand scheme of things? Most / All questions asked he has dodged/not answered/deviated from the point.

Policians doesnt matter which ones you get in power next election will be who will do the best of a bad job

LOL As normal.


Im not sure the uk can cope with a higher population. I know where i live, the roads are chock a block, housing is fooking expensive as there is a shortage, not enough jobs. etc etc.

straw pisses me off to

[Sophia_Bush]

typical politicians for you there

[AXracing]

I found the anti BNP people were being idiots. There are many bad points about the BNP and just about any other party. But just sitting there screaming and repeating the same thing over and over again. I was actually really impressed with the guy from the BNP that he stayed calm and was open to talk. I absolutely hate pro white junk and so will not vote for them but to be honest the BNP make a lot of very good points.

Any one fancy starting a party with me? I am thinking the bring back group b rallying party. What do you think?

[speedyvtr]

Watching this will make me angry, Hate the BNP and everything they stand for.

have been waiting for this for 2 weeks now. should be pretty interesting.

the BNP are just a bunch of racists who pray on people who do not understand the consequences of what they get led to support.

i lol'd when I heard they used a picture of Churchill with a plane in the background to try and support their campaign. funning thing is that war was agains the German National Party haha

i agree there is no need for racism its out of order.

[Ashleyp]

this will be on iplayer? ive missed it

but its a must watch

[sparky771]

I found the anti BNP people were being idiots. There are many bad points about the BNP and just about any other party. But just sitting there screaming and repeating the same thing over and over again. I was actually really impressed with the guy from the BNP that he stayed calm and was open to talk. I absolutely hate pro white junk and so will not vote for them but to be honest the BNP make a lot of very good points.

Any one fancy starting a party with me? I am thinking the bring back group b rallying party. What do you think?

well it couldn't make the country any worse having a load of citreon entusiats running it haha ;)

[AXracing]

I find it rather interesting tho, BNP are more popular than they ought to be. Which would lead me to suggest that if the major parties had, had a controlled immigration policy then the BNP would have never come about.

Very well said :y:

[SneakyVTR]

I have to admit though as much as I stand against many of the values the BNP as I do have to agree with a few of them. People branding Nick Griffin as a racist although true, not allowing him to speak was both naive and against the "democracy" that everyone stands for.

[CurtSD]

If you ask someone what would you do if you could go back in time, a common answer is go back and kill hitler so how the fuck is this guy still alive?

Just amazes me how people can support this guy when he is following the path to power that hitler used exactly.

[Steve_90]

I found the anti BNP people were being idiots. There are many bad points about the BNP and just about any other party. But just sitting there screaming and repeating the same thing over and over again. I was actually really impressed with the guy from the BNP that he stayed calm and was open to talk. I absolutely hate pro white junk and so will not vote for them but to be honest the BNP make a lot of very good points.

Any one fancy starting a party with me? I am thinking the bring back group b rallying party. What do you think?

I think his only good points are to do with controlling immigration but what he wants to do about it is too extreme.

Tbh politics is fucked. All leaders are liers and murderes, not trying to sound like a hippy but its true.

[23carragold]

Wow...what a show and how unbelievably satisfying it was to truly show to the masses what a racist, shambolic, fascist party the bnp is. Dick griffin continuously evaded all the questions and the TRUTH about his racist values and ideals, never gave a straight answer and tried to shrug it off by "smiling and laughing"...which looked like someone was tweaking his ballsack..

I digress...the bnp will ALWAYS be a racist and pathetic party, and ANYONE stupid enough to believe his pathetic pack of racist lies should really take a good look at themselves. There is no room for any of his policies here in britain, and the failure of the elite parties has led people to vote for the bnp in "rebellion", which is a danger we cannot ignore.

I really do hope people have seen how pathetic dick griffin really is, and the bnp will never get what they want, power. Pathetic and racist, they are a cancer.

[Ashleyp]

Just amazes me how people can support this guy when he is following the path to power that hitler used exactly.

hitlet techinally never did anything wrong to get into power

nor did he unveil policies until he was in power though ;)

and he did a lot of good for germany before he went psyco

(im not a fan of hitler btw, just often facts are missed out of stuff)

[Steve_90]

If you ask someone what would you do if you could go back in time, a common answer is go back and kill hitler so how the fuck is this guy still alive?

Just amazes me how people can support this guy when he is following the path to power that hitler used exactly.

Not that I support Griffin or the BNP at all, but I wouldn't compare his "path to power" exactly the same as Hitler's. He has extreme views but not violent ones.

[Bound]

Start pissed me off, just boo-ing him, pissed me off, wanted to hear what he said, instead of interrupting him, he was shaking too, and laughing nervously, also, attacking him personally was stupid.

I think the Islamic & Sharia law ‘Islamification’ is true, I don't want Shariah law, what he said about Islam treating women as second class citizen, being stoned for adultery when raped, and promoting conversion through forceful means is wrong, and Nick Griffin is right about this, I don't want that.

I have Islamic friends, and if they asked me I'd say the same, the rest of what he says is bullshit, if interesting.

[chris_rolling]

ive been told im deluded, but i agree that immigration needs to be addressed, but you are deluded as you believe that the BNP offer a logical way of solving that. all political parties know there is a problem but 9 out of 10 are trying to find a logical, democratic way of addressing that. the BNP ARE a racist party, they do want britain to become a 99% white country, and anyone who discusses their "policies" as being a good way of solving the problems of this country is a total bellend. he's mates with the KKK ffs! he IS a holocaust denier, so a question to any BNP fans, do you think all ethnic minoroties should leave the country? do you deny the holocaust? and do you think Hitler 'went a bit too far'? if you do, then you are technically a nazi :y:

[Steve_90]

all political parties know there is a problem but 9 out of 10 are trying to find a logical, democratic way of addressing that.

Taking there fucking time addressing it. They're quick enough to go to war and ship how many thousands of soldiers to the middle east but when it comes to controlling who's coming in, they're stumped.

[AXracing]

To all the anti people who have posted. If you forget the pro white side as this is totally unacceptable in most people eyes including myself. But look at just the basic core policies of the BNP.

British Jobs for British Workers

British Homes for British Families

Stop Immigration and Put British People First

Say NO to a federal Europe, Keep Britain Free

Bring British Soldiers Home from Afghanistan

Put British Workers Before the Banks

Promote British Culture, Traditions and Heritage

A Future for British Children

Do you really think every single one of these is a bad thing? As even though I am not a BNP fan I can not honestly say I disagree with all of these. Some I think are quite good and quite important. Being purely impulsive and against all the BNP stands for is not a good reaction. Dislike then for there bad side but there good points you should try get the party you support to adopt. Or they will just gain more and more support.

[Dom]

hitlet techinally never did anything wrong to get into power

nor did he unveil policies until he was in power though ;)

and he did a lot of good for germany before he went psyco

(im not a fan of hitler btw, just often facts are missed out of stuff)

Didn't he burn down the Riechstag and order his SS to kill a few top politicians to take power?

[Ashleyp]

To all the anti people who have posted. If you forget the pro white side as this is totally unacceptable in most people eyes including myself. But look at just the basic core policies of the BNP.

British Jobs for British Workers

British Homes for British Families

Stop Immigration and Put British People First

Say NO to a federal Europe, Keep Britain Free

Bring British Soldiers Home from Afghanistan

Put British Workers Before the Banks

Promote British Culture, Traditions and Heritage

A Future for British Children

Do you really think every single one of these is a bad thing? As even though I am not a BNP fan I can not honestly say I disagree with all of these. Some I think are quite good and quite important. Being purely impulsive and against all the BNP stands for is not a good reaction. Dislike then for there bad side but there good points you should try get the party you support to adopt. Or they will just gain more and more support.

theyre all euphemism's though...

by doing all of that, it'd ruin britain..

you make money by exporting goods, if you cant sell because your keeping yourself to yourself, the country would colapse

most british people are too lazy to get off their arses and work

society needs to change alot. the BNP do not help this

and imo it shouldnt matter what colour, race or background your from - best man for the job should always get priority

[Ashleyp]

Didn't he burn down the Riechstag and order his SS to kill a few top politicians to take power?

meh i think so. i cant remember, been a while since i studied it

but up until then, he got voted in / put in to cover for others

[chris_rolling]

so how do you suggest we control the borders then? gun squads? gassing all trucks, lorries and trains coming into britain? because thats what the BNP would idolise. we NEED immigration, and we will allways have it, but it is a very difficult situation to filter through bogus student visas, people who ignore their visa dates, and people who belt themselves to the bottom of high speed trains. what the BNP would do would to decapitate the influx of all of the foreign skilled workers, students, and labourers, and that would kill britain. their is a reason why we have the third largest defence budget in the world, and why we are still one of the major members (including having the power of vito) in the UN. none of Dick griffins plans would ever ever work or be implicated, end of, and i think the majority of sax-p would agree with me on that

[Mr_X]

British Jobs for British Workers

British Homes for British Families

Stop Immigration and Put British People First

Say NO to a federal Europe, Keep Britain Free

Bring British Soldiers Home from Afghanistan

Put British Workers Before the Banks

Promote British Culture, Traditions and Heritage

A Future for British Children


i know of a lot countries that have similar policies. The BNP would destroy britain tho, as most people are aware they cannot be taken seriously. I blame labour tbh. lol

Its such a difficult area and needs to be approached with caution, i can understand why you would want britian to keep tradition and culture as you would any other place. Thats why i like visiting other countries so much, it all interesting.

Although i talk about this, what is britain now? if you would believe the media, a bunch of sponging tennage mothers etc...


IMO racism shouldnt come into it.

[Bound]

meh i think so. i cant remember, been a while since i studied it

but up until then, he got voted in / put in to cover for others

He used violence, and stirred racial hatred, he started fights and riots, he played social groups, the SS assassinated people, beat people up, scared people into submission.

[chris_rolling]

the funny thing is, some people cant see through the propaganda on the website or broadcasts. they acctually believe that hes telling the truth. its laughable

[Dom]

Personally this BNP shit is blown out of proportion, they have less than a million voters, fair enough I hate the whole party, what they stand for, and how they go about doing things but wow, 1 million voters out of a population of 60 million, I think I will be dead by the time they get enough voters to win a general election, they will just be another party for people to waste there vote on like the Liberal Democrats.

Personally, I would still vote labour no matter how much they fucked up, Conservative are a bit too green, and due to I own a Saxo, If the Tory's get into power, I will need a full time job to put a car on the road, or I will resort back the the BMX. Labour, fair enough its still expensive, but for the next few years I couldn't give a shit due to I will be a Uni student scrounging every penny I can get from the government :y:

[PSPDan]

The only person on the panel who made sense was the American. Mega lulz.

[Mr_X]

Personally this BNP shit is blown out of proportion, they have less than a million voters, fair enough I hate the whole party, what they stand for, and how they go about doing things but wow, 1 million voters out of a population of 60 million, I think I will be dead by the time they get enough voters to win a general election, they will just be another party for people to waste there vote on like the Liberal Democrats.

Personally, I would still vote labour no matter how much they fucked up, Conservative are a bit too green, and due to I own a Saxo, If the Tory's get into power, I will need a full time job to put a car on the road, or I will resort back the the BMX. Labour, fair enough its still expensive, but for the next few years I couldn't give a shit due to I will be a Uni student scrounging every penny I can get from the government :y:

not everyone can vote, i.e. under 18's. also a lot of people who can vote DONT
srls

[AXracing]

theyre all euphemism's though...
Very true but not all are. I am happy for the UK to use MPH, drive on the left, measure in inches, use lb as weights, allow people to modify cars engine, brakes and so on even though its all against the EU. I am also happy to put strong restitution on unskilled workers coming in to the country. I would be happy for the government to put money towards UK people working or being trained rather than to them for just being sat at home doing nothing and that sort of thing

[Ashleyp]

Very true but not all are. I am happy for the UK to use MPH, drive on the left, measure in inches, use lb as weights, allow people to modify cars engine, brakes and so on even though its all against the EU. I am also happy to put strong restitution on unskilled workers coming in to the country. I would be happy for the government to put money towards UK people working or being trained rather than to them for just being sat at home doing nothing and that sort of thing

all very minor things in terms of world politics

[AXracing]

i know of a lot countries that have similar policies. The BNP would destroy britain tho, as most people are aware they cannot be taken seriously. I blame labour tbh. lol

Its such a difficult area and needs to be approached with caution, i can understand why you would want britian to keep tradition and culture as you would any other place. Thats why i like visiting other countries so much, it all interesting.

Although i talk about this, what is britain now? if you would believe the media, a bunch of sponging tennage mothers etc...


IMO racism shouldnt come into it.

Agree :)

[chris_rolling]

I would be happy for the government to put money towards UK people working or being trained rather than to them for just being sat at home doing nothing and that sort of thing

so the reason there not working is because they have no money? didnt realise that...

[Mr_X]

so the reason there not working is because they have no money? didnt realise that...

sorry i dont understand

[AXracing]

so the reason there not working is because they have no money? didnt realise that...

lol where did you get that from? Often people are not working or are working very little is because they are better off that way. There are plenty of people who are professionally unemployed. You can get to a point where if you work a day or two a week that it eats away at your benefits and you make no more than you did if you did not work at all. There is no encouragement for many people to work or get further education. I am not convinced this is the best way for it to be are you?

[Mr_X]

lol where did you get that from? Often people are not working or are working very little is because they are better off that way. There are plenty of people who are professionally unemployed. You can get to a point where if you work a day or two a week that it eats away at your benefits and you make no more than you did if you did not work at all. There is no encouragement for many people to work or get further education. I am not convinced this is the best way for it to be are you?

agreed :y:

i remember a quote not to long ago, if you are on benefits and work, you could as little as 4p in the extra pound you earn,.

[chris_rolling]

oh my fail lol got a bit over exited and heated. thought you were saying that the reason people werent working is because they had no finantial support to do so, but obviously some people just cant be arsed to work, was reading too quickly sorry

[Mr_X]

oh my fail lol got a bit over exited and heated. thought you were saying that the reason people werent working is because they had no finantial support to do so, but obviously some people just cant be arsed to work, was reading too quickly sorry

my parents cant be arsed to work, get no benefits tho. lol

[chris_rolling]

but alot of people who cant be arsed to work do get benefits and so are therefore less likely to work. if your living without any work, but are getting a steady salary from the government because you cannot support yourselves or family, then why would you want to have to wake up at 8am to do a factory shift or similar job to get a bit more than if your on your arse watching jeremy kyle, sucks ass imho

[Mr_X]

but alot of people who cant be arsed to work do get benefits and so are therefore less likely to work. if your living without any work, but are getting a steady salary from the government because you cannot support yourselves or family, then why would you want to have to wake up at 8am to do a factory shift or similar job to get a bit more than if your on your arse watching jeremy kyle, sucks ass imho

agreed.

i support, supporting people who need support.

I fear a number of people who get support dont need support but need a job.

call me dave has a policy on this.

[kennysevenfold]

BNP is the way forward tbh :p

[Heliosphan]

I don't think it was a particularly good show to be honest. Not many different topics were actually debated.

I thought the audience and panel were far more interested in bullying Nick and attacking him throughout. I counted over 20 allegations against him even though he was only allowed to answer about 5 of them. He wasn't allowed to explain the KKK involvement fully and was shouted down when he started to say something about the holocaust being to do with "figures". He also seemed quite nervous, although who wouldn't be in that sort of hostile environment.

I thought the audience was interesting. Afro-carribeans, Pakistanis, Jewish, Indian etc. All people who were determined to be outraged and absolutely guaranteed to hate everything Griffin had to say. In short, hand-picked by the BBC.

I actually thought Griffin made some excellent points on immigration and absolutely destroyed the lad in the audience who asked Nick why he thinks Islam is a "cruel and wicked faith". No comeback from anyone whatsoever on that one, not even from the utterly repulsive Asian lady on the panel.

I thought Jack Straw was a total disgrace and showed what a useless government Labour actually are. Dodged more questions than Nick and gave very few straight answers. How disgusting can it be that people issued with visas etc are not counted out again on expiry? Think about that for a second. In other words, Labour can't control immigration because they don't even have a fucking policy on immigration!

The BNP will always get my vote until the current government (and subsequent governments) stop pandering to Islam and do something about immigration and the many problems that stem from it.

[Saxo_theedge]

Got to agree with some of your points Heliosphan ^^

I dont support the BNP, as i dont stand for all their values, however it was obvious the bbc didnt give him a fair chance, he was ganged up on by the panel, and the audience was full of mixed race and immirgrants, i think there was one old guy at the back who was for bnp. Everytime he made a point he would just get ganged up on and never really get a fair chance to say anything.

However the conservative representative did make some good points imo, regaring immgration. For example its nothing to do with skin colour or race, more about what they can offer this country and capping the amount that come in.

[Heliosphan]

He used violence, and stirred racial hatred, he started fights and riots, he played social groups, the SS assassinated people, beat people up, scared people into submission.



Sounds a bit like the left-wing hate mob outside the BBC studios last night who continually seek to wreck any meeting etc that involves the BNP.

Probably the same bunch of disgusting individuals who posted the personal details of BNP members on the internet.

[hellonpluto]

hitlet techinally never did anything wrong to get into power


WHAT??!"£!"$!"

Stormtroopers killing people who opposed and hitler was basically given power by hindenburg in 1933.

Plus, ever heard of the night of the long knives in 1934 to kill off the rest of the opposition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

You didn't do history did you or watch program after program about the Nazis on yesterday and discovery channels?

[23carragold]

I don't think it was a particularly good show to be honest. Not many different topics were actually debated.

I thought the audience and panel were far more interested in bullying Nick and attacking him throughout. I counted over 20 allegations against him even though he was only allowed to answer about 5 of them. He wasn't allowed to explain the KKK involvement fully and was shouted down when he started to say something about the holocaust being to do with "figures". He also seemed quite nervous, although who wouldn't be in that sort of hostile environment.

I thought the audience was interesting. Afro-carribeans, Pakistanis, Jewish, Indian etc. All people who were determined to be outraged and absolutely guaranteed to hate everything Griffin had to say. In short, hand-picked by the BBC.


I actually thought Griffin made some excellent points on immigration and absolutely destroyed the lad in the audience who asked Nick why he thinks Islam is a "cruel and wicked faith". No comeback from anyone whatsoever on that one, not even from the utterly repulsive Asian lady on the panel.

I thought Jack Straw was a total disgrace and showed what a useless government Labour actually are. Dodged more questions than Nick and gave very few straight answers. How disgusting can it be that people issued with visas etc are not counted out again on expiry? Think about that for a second. In other words, Labour can't control immigration because they don't even have a fucking policy on immigration!

The BNP will always get my vote until the current government (and subsequent governments) stop pandering to Islam and do something about immigration and the many problems that stem from it.



The problem with what he said about Islam is he demonises it. I am a proud muslim and NONE of that utter tripe he said i follow or condone, nor do alot of us. That "sharia" law i would never want implemented, it is an extremist and wrong view condoned by complete idiots who shame islam for the peaceful religion that it is.

Islam is not the problem, nor will it ever be.

It is racist bigots like him that should never get into power, using something outdated and wrong, against us. You say there wasn't a comeback, there was. Another asian man said to him why are you attacking the muslims? He quoted a similar sounding passage from the bible, which when you take out of context and demonise, makes it a powerful tool to slander and deface christianity. So don't attack my religion or what i stand for, because i will always be a proud muslim, proud to live here and be born here.

[WheresMeNuts]

Religion causes more problems in the world than anything else.....FACT:wall:

[Steve_90]

Religion causes more problems in the world than anything else.....FACT:wall:

What makes that even worse is the fact its all a lie.

[Carlvtr88]

shouldnt be allowed on imo, holocaust denial (which is a criminal offence in many countries), against non-white membership, used to be a proud nazi group before NG, all he has done is tone down the partys image to get more votes, but still with the majority of members being involved with the party before this. he is targeting the white working class preaching that 'immigrants' are taking all our jobs etc, imo i believe that if somone is willing to leave there lives and somtimes families to come to this country to work (99% of all immigrants + including doctors/lawyers) and benefit our economy, working harder than people whose philosophy is "were english, we deserve the work first", then fair play to them. Immigration is the keystone of our economy FACT and anyone supporting the BNP or their ideas is misinformed FACT, dont care what BNP supporters say against that, because all of that is 100% premium fact and common logic. the country hasnt lost its 'identity', the world has. BNP get over it

Mate, I mean no disrespect by this and I value you have your opinion BUT... Come to Birmingham in your saxo for a month and have a drive around,,, see how many foreign folk cut you up ... you will soon change your mind mate ... and thats not an attempt at being racist its a down right fact im not saying all foreign people but majoirity of them....They drive differently in there country and think they can drive the same round here in UK.... its ok for people who live out of the way in nice areas to say yeah i think its good for the country etc ...but for example .. if your a builder or something with a business and have been running it successfully for years ... then suddenly your forced to cut your prices by like 50 % .. it nocks the original businesses out of the picture... and where do you end up.. On your arse with a failing business... thats what people get annoyed at and i see why . makes sense

[Bound]

Sounds a bit like the left-wing hate mob outside the BBC studios last night who continually seek to wreck any meeting etc that involves the BNP.

Probably the same bunch of disgusting individuals who posted the personal details of BNP members on the internet.

People who attack the BNP blindly without knowing the facts are sheep, I am not a BNP sympathizer, But people think it's so black and white, but as AXracing highlighted earlier, it is not.

If those points raised here;
British Jobs for British Workers

British Homes for British Families

Stop Immigration and Put British People First

Say NO to a federal Europe, Keep Britain Free

Bring British Soldiers Home from Afghanistan

Put British Workers Before the Banks

Promote British Culture, Traditions and Heritage

A Future for British Children
Were enforced, and that was their policies, They would be elected.

It's the controversy, and racism behind the scenes, I think it's too late for them to change their tune, Nick has tried to seem more balanced, sincerely or not, but their extremist views of old will hold them back, he made a good point on Islam last night.

However, I did find myself cringing at the "My grandfather was an RAF pilot, whilst Jack Straw's was in prison".

Still, direct hit :p.

[stinkycheese]

good points raised by RichardBound, AXracing and Heliosphan. I am in no way racist however i do think that other parties should extract some of the BNP's ideas. Immigration, Politcal correctness and the whole EU predicament is a joke tbh.

[Stevie-J]

I agree with Nick Griffin too, sorry, but Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, Inner London and other major cities have now become overrun with immigrants and foreigners, and they dont like white people either. I have lived in Handsworth Birmingham for a while, and I was victimised and called "White filth", "White Honky we dont want you in our town" etc
They are more "racist" than we are.
The Govt and a lot of members on here who dont live in these ghetto districts just turn a blind eye to it, but all you anti BNP people on here spouting all your anti BNP crap - just you go and live in the heavily ethnic areas of Bradford, Birmingham etc, and try getting a job here etc when you have no skills, then come back and preach to me about how bad the BNP is.
Totally one sided this whole debate, and the QT show was a farce, with a deliberately anti BNP audience chosen.
And Yes I did vote BNP at the last Euro Election, with the main reason being Immigration policy. And yes, I was rubbished and ridiculed by the do gooders who pander to the immigrants, and the immigrants themselves. But, the fact remains that 1 million voters out of about 30 million who are elligible to vote, voted for Nick, and this put him up to Euro MEP status. This country will fight back, whether the anti BNP like it or not. There is a lot of pent up anger about immigration and political correctness in this country, and one day, the pot's gonna boil over into a civil war, because a lot of folk are rightly sick of it.

[JamesR]

I agree with almost all of his views, except some of the totally outragious ones.

[CampDavid]

There are actually people on here who think that non-white brits should be kicked out of the country. That we shouldn't have anything to do with those crazy foreigners in europe (who are we going to trade with, Iceland???) and that disabled people are a waste of resources.

Some people on here need to have a serious word with themselves.

[CampDavid]

Mate, I mean no disrespect by this and I value you have your opinion BUT... Come to Birmingham in your saxo for a month and have a drive around,,, see how many foreign folk cut you up ... you will soon change your mind mate ... and thats not an attempt at being racist its a down right fact im not saying all foreign people but majoirity of them....They drive differently in there country and think they can drive the same round here in UK.... its ok for people who live out of the way in nice areas to say yeah i think its good for the country etc ...but for example .. if your a builder or something with a business and have been running it successfully for years ... then suddenly your forced to cut your prices by like 50 % .. it nocks the original businesses out of the picture... and where do you end up.. On your arse with a failing business... thats what people get annoyed at and i see why . makes sense

Yeah... we should kcik people out coz they dont drive like us... ffs

[CampDavid]

I agree with Nick Griffin too, sorry, but Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, Inner London and other major cities have now become overrun with immigrants and foreigners, and they dont like white people either. I have lived in Handsworth Birmingham for a while, and I was victimised and called "White filth", "White Honky we dont want you in our town" etc
They are more "racist" than we are.
The Govt and a lot of members on here who dont live in these ghetto districts just turn a blind eye to it, but all you anti BNP people on here spouting all your anti BNP crap - just you go and live in the heavily ethnic areas of Bradford, Birmingham etc, and try getting a job here etc when you have no skills, then come back and preach to me about how bad the BNP is.
Totally one sided this whole debate, and the QT show was a farce, with a deliberately anti BNP audience chosen.
And Yes I did vote BNP at the last Euro Election, with the main reason being Immigration policy. And yes, I was rubbished and ridiculed by the do gooders who pander to the immigrants, and the immigrants themselves. But, the fact remains that 1 million voters out of about 30 million who are elligible to vote, voted for Nick, and this put him up to Euro MEP status. This country will fight back, whether the anti BNP like it or not. There is a lot of pent up anger about immigration and political correctness in this country, and one day, the pot's gonna boil over into a civil war, because a lot of folk are rightly sick of it.

The BNP were actually founded in Kingstanding in Birmingham, the race riots around there can be fucking hateful. That's not a great reason to get a Nazi party in though.

I lived in Handsworth for a year when I was 19. Never had an issue with anyone there.

[Stevie-J]

The BNP were actually founded in Kingstanding in Birmingham, the race riots around there can be fucking hateful. That's not a great reason to get a Nazi party in though.

I lived in Handsworth for a year when I was 19. Never had an issue with anyone there.

So you enjoyed living in Handsworth then? Honestly?
Why did you leave after a year then if you loved Handsworth so much?

It doesnt matter what you say to me, I am not ashamed to be a white patriot, and hate seeing our major towns and cities being turned into third world slums, taken over by foreigners, many of whom cant even be bothered to learn to speak English. They are only intenet on turning the areas they take over into their own cultures - not ours, hence all the temples, mosques etc that they are allowed by this Govt to put up.
Would the Pakistanis allow the Brits to go there, take over their towns and cities and build Christian churches there, and make the children learn English at school, and learn Christianity?

[CampDavid]

So you enjoyed living in Handsworth then? Honestly?
Why did you leave after a year then if you loved Handsworth so much?

It doesnt matter what you say to me, I am not ashamed to be a white patriot, and hate seeing our major towns and cities being turned into third world slums, taken over by foreigners, many of whom cant even be bothered to learn to speak English. They are only intenet on turning the areas they take over into their own cultures - not ours, hence all the temples, mosques etc that they are allowed by this Govt to put up.
Would the Pakistanis allow the Brits to go there, take over their towns and cities and build Christian churches there, and make the children learn English at school, and learn Christianity?

I left because I bought a house in Great Barr. I then left again and moved with work. I didn't leave because of all those nasty non white people.

Churches, English schools, people who can't speek English in foreign countries? Have a google mate. There are loads in Pakistan, India etc, etc. I have a couple of chaps from my company living out in India at the moment, running companies. It happens all the time. Historically it's the reason we're powerful.

[stinkycheese]

I left because I bought a house in Great Barr. I then left again and moved with work. I didn't leave because of all those nasty non white people.

Churches, English schools, people who can't speek English in foreign countries? Have a google mate. There are loads in Pakistan, India etc, etc. I have a couple of chaps from my company living out in India at the moment, running companies. It happens all the time. Historically it's the reason we're powerful.

They are running companies, not on the dole.

The UK is the only place that just lets you in and starts giving you handouts.

[CampDavid]

They are running companies, not on the dole.

The UK is the only place that just lets you in and starts giving you handouts.

There's a bit of a difference betweeen changing the benifits policy and descriminating against people because of their skin colour

[stinkycheese]

There's a bit of a difference betweeen changing the benifits policy and descriminating against people because of their skin colour

we're talking about people not intergrating and contributing to the society.

[CampDavid]

we're talking about people not intergrating and contributing to the society.

The BNP believe in "Forced Repatriation".

I also don't see what skin colour or nationality have to do with contributing to society. There are plenty of people who don't contribute, a lot of them are "ethnically british"

[claff]

im quite worried because the more politicians (like jack straw) just continue to talk shit and dodge questions, in effect TALKING a hell of a load but actually saying very little. the more they do that the more chance BNP has of winning... the more people interupt him, say hes a racist etc. the more griffin will become the underdog and gain support. believe it or not most people dont actualy give a flying fuck about racism, i certainly dont. the fact that no-one from labour accepts is that the government has failed to control immigration and thats why people are voting for the BNP... the BNP has become the "fuck you labour/conservative and all politicians" vote. if policitians (like jack straw again) keep being wankers and dodging all difficult questions pretending like theres not a problem with the country, believe me there WILL be a problem.

BNP, like the nazi party before, feed off of how bad the people at the top of the government are... and last night we just got shown that they were so bad, so PATHETIC, the only thing they could do was slag the BNP off all night. and BNP are laughing all the way to the bank cuz they know people arent happy with how the country is run. i think they picked up a few more "fuck you labour" votes last night.

[Mr_X]

i do agree, mainstream mp's are doing themselves no favours.

[stinkycheese]

The BNP believe in "Forced Repatriation".

I also don't see what skin colour or nationality have to do with contributing to society. There are plenty of people who don't contribute, a lot of them are "ethnically british"

Skin colour has fuck all to do with it. The benifits system is shit and there are lots of ''ethnically british'' people abusing it. However, the percentage of immigrants, (whether they are white, black or green is irrelevent) relying on benifits is very high also.

Why should we be letting people into our country if they are unable to contribute?

[Carlvtr88]

I agree with Nick Griffin too, sorry, but Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, Inner London and other major cities have now become overrun with immigrants and foreigners, and they dont like white people either. I have lived in Handsworth Birmingham for a while, and I was victimised and called "White filth", "White Honky we dont want you in our town" etc
They are more "racist" than we are.
The Govt and a lot of members on here who dont live in these ghetto districts just turn a blind eye to it, but all you anti BNP people on here spouting all your anti BNP crap - just you go and live in the heavily ethnic areas of Bradford, Birmingham etc, and try getting a job here etc when you have no skills, then come back and preach to me about how bad the BNP is.
Totally one sided this whole debate, and the QT show was a farce, with a deliberately anti BNP audience chosen.
And Yes I did vote BNP at the last Euro Election, with the main reason being Immigration policy. And yes, I was rubbished and ridiculed by the do gooders who pander to the immigrants, and the immigrants themselves. But, the fact remains that 1 million voters out of about 30 million who are elligible to vote, voted for Nick, and this put him up to Euro MEP status. This country will fight back, whether the anti BNP like it or not. There is a lot of pent up anger about immigration and political correctness in this country, and one day, the pot's gonna boil over into a civil war, because a lot of folk are rightly sick of it.

really enjoyed reading that... its so true.. im from B'ham too mate.. i feel your pain.. what you said is so true ...thats the thing, ive been to windsor for work and went the pubs on the night... what a totally pleasant night .no trouble or nothin. try that in Brum .. it just a totally different atmosphere in some places.. what was it ... something like 60 per cent of the people locked up in a year were foreign ... ? something like that

[Stevie-J]

I get the BNP Newsletters via email as I am a BNP member, and Nick is laughing his head off, he got what he wanted last night, and the BNP was overwhelmed with messages of support for Nick today, and a load more applications to join the party.
Here are the emails:

Fellow British Patriot

"The man's got guts!" "At last, someone saying exactly what we all feel". "The hand-picked audience in the studio hated what Nick had to say, but we loved it". "I've never seen such political bullying on TV in my life." "When he pointed out how all the others are racist against the English, we were all cheering".

Just a few of the responses to the long-awaited BBC Question Time with Nick Griffin tonight. It was never going to be easy: Central London is the most 'enriched' and 'diverse' part of Britain, the BBC audience selection process is clearly guaranteed to 'weed out' politically incorrect guests, and the other panellists shared one aim: to rough up Nick Griffin.

As it is, no-one who saw Jack Straw turn ashen-faced when Nick responded to his 'Nazi' smear by pointing out that "my father served in the RAF during the Second World War - yours spent it in prison for refusing to fight Adolf Hitler." Time and time again Nick gave as good as he got.

Most of all though, this wasn't a proper Question Time at all. The usual format was done away with for the first time in 30 years as the BBC over-compensated for allowing us on by setting things up for a televised lynching.

There was nothing about current affairs at all; no postal strike, nothing about the announcement that Tony Blair is about to be appointed EU President, nothing about the continued slaughter of young British soldiers in Afghanistan, nothing about the latest stages of the banking crisis and the scandal of the Government propping up corrupt banks while imposing savage cuts on essential services. On all those subjects and many more, the BNP's nationalist position offers a real alternative to the three old internationalist parties.

But the only non-BNP/immigration question was about a Daily Mail article on the death of Stephen Gately, and even that was a trap - which Chairman Nick Griffin avoided with both ease and principle.

Where does it leave the BNP? On this day alone our website has had in the region of 15 million 'hits' and over 2,000 new registrations for future membership before QT even started! Millions were shocked by the violence of the leftist mob sponsored by - among other MPs - Peter Hain and David Cameron.

With millions more people beginning to grasp the extent to which the three old parties are essentially the same, while the British National Party is really different. With millions of people knowing that in just a couple of killer soundbites in the middle of the programme, Nick Griffin summed up exactly how they, and all their friends and neighbours, feel about the mess that Lib-Lab-Con have made of our poor country.

They will also have noted very well that Nick Griffin and Bonny Greer clearly got on well, and that Nick listened with respect and answered with consideration even hostile questions from members of ethnic minorities in the audience; the hostility tonight wasn't from Nick towards anyone on account of their ethnicity or religion, it was from the representatives of the failed old parties towards the new kid on the block.

When the details of all the personal attacks against Nick Griffin are long forgotten, people will remember him standing up bravely to a barrage of hate to say things on behalf of the Silent Majority that have never been said on the flagship programme of British politics before. "Nick Griffin - he speaks for us".

and:



Fellow British Patriot,

Whilst dealing with an avalanche of media interviews today in Essex I took time out to shoot a video update on post-QT news events.

Throughout today a flood of public sympathy has been deluging our telephone and email systems. The BBC, Lib-Lab-Con and the media have truly turned the BNP into the obvious opposition to the political elite. The media have slammed the BNP in recent times for pretending to be the victims of political and media bias - thanks to the huge own goal of a stage-managed Question Time ambush they have, without a shadow of doubt, turned the BNP into the victims of British politics and the only party that is not afraid to say what everyone actually thinks.

[AXracing]

Agree totally with claff. Its a worrying point to be at where the country is being run so badly that extremists such as the BNP can get so mush support. But sadly its not just the UK one of the far more prominent examples is some of the radical Islamic groups as people have already mentioned. You tend to see one such radical group can grow off another. Just look at the not to distant history in Ireland. It is all very worrying stuff.

[claff]

The problem with what he said about Islam is he demonises it. I am a proud muslim and NONE of that utter tripe he said i follow or condone, nor do alot of us. That "sharia" law i would never want implemented, it is an extremist and wrong view condoned by complete idiots who shame islam for the peaceful religion that it is.

Islam is not the problem, nor will it ever be.

It is racist bigots like him that should never get into power, using something outdated and wrong, against us. You say there wasn't a comeback, there was. Another asian man said to him why are you attacking the muslims? He quoted a similar sounding passage from the bible, which when you take out of context and demonise, makes it a powerful tool to slander and deface christianity. So don't attack my religion or what i stand for, because i will always be a proud muslim, proud to live here and be born here. Howabout you go to an islamic country where its illegal for a woman to show her face and illegal for women to have any power. Theyre basically second class citizens over there. They can do that in their country all they want but we dont want it here, the same way as they dont want our culture either. Only difference is we're supposed to tiptoe around and give them special treatment, or we're racist. Bollocks to that

no-one ever said all muslims are bad people, but it just doesnt fit in in this country.

[Stevie-J]

Howabout you go to an islamic country where its illegal for a woman to show her face and illegal for women to have any power. Theyre basically second class citizens over there. They can do that in their country all they want but we dont want it here, the same way as they dont want our culture either. Only difference is we're supposed to tiptoe around and give them special treatment, or we're racist. Bollocks to that

no-one ever said all muslims are bad people, but it just doesnt fit in in this country.

+1, My thoughts entirely. If the muslims want to live here - they should live by our rules, not theirs, or else they should go somewhere else and do it.

[Barry123]

missed the actual programme having a looky on iplayer at the moment...

now, personally I think the audience are a bit too jumpy... I'd rather listen to what he has to say then vilified, than the opposite. gonna read the thread toooooo

[bullit]

g00d thread chaps, s0me great p0ints

[bullit]

im watching this n0w.

basically it c0mes d0wn t0 the general public n0t that their racist but are just sick 0f the immigrati0n numbers, hence will v0te the bnp cause they want s0meting d0ne ab0ut it as n00ne else seems t0 give a shit

[Stevie-J]

Most white people are concerned about immigration but many are too frightened to say anything about it - to me, that is like oppression - where people are too scared to speak out against the foreign invasion of this country.
Many white people are also brainwashed into thinking that foreign takeover is inevitable and to be accepted, well its not acceptable, and good on Nick to lead the only party that wants to keep England English, and to uphold our traditions and laws.
And whats more - I couldnt give a stuff if someone comes on afterwards and tells me I'm a cunt, as they've done it before on this site, and I havent been bothered in the slightest. We all need to wake up and see the big picture.

[Jazz]

Was chatting to a good mate this morning after last nights program. My mate is Muslim, so I asked what he made of Griffin's comments about women being treated as second class citizens, and getting stoned for adulary etc etc, given that nobody in the panal really made a comeback from what Griffin said. My mate was actually amused.

After talking I actually learned a thing or two and it backs up my suspicions that a lot of what Nick Griffin says about Islam is utter sh!te.

What he does is read parts of verses completely out of context and takes everything on face value without bothering to find out what it actually means. You can do exactly the same with any religious scripture.

Funnily enough, Islam was the religion that actually introduced women's rights in the middle east. Before Islam came about, women were treated as slaves or property. Their personal consent about anything concerning themselves was unimporant. They had no independance, could not own their own property and could not inherit anything in Pagan Arabia. Also, the birth of a daughter was seen as humiliation and a failure to the family, and baby girls were often burried alive. The practice of killing female children was uncontrolled as it was so acceptable.

Islam put a stop to that. With the advent of Islam came the verse from the Quran condemning those who practiced female infanticide:

"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people... Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."

(Basically its saying whatever of the two choices he picks, it is evil- which I bloody well agree with!)

"And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do)
shall be questioned. For what sin she was killed?"- Again, this is a direct challenge to the rigid customs of that time, and had many Eastern pagan leaders furious at this. Here was a teaching instructing women to be treated with humility. And lets not forget while this doesn't sound so impressive today, back then all over Africa, Asia and even Europe, women were treated like shit.

Also, "You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness...." and this one, "And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah (God) brings through it a great deal of good."

The Prophet himself apparantly married a wealthy and successful business woman who managed her father's vast business empire and had many men working beneath her. Doesn't sound like 2nd class citizens to me. Wonder why nobody said this to Griffin while he was sprouting his stupid shizzle.

[23carragold]

Howabout you go to an islamic country where its illegal for a woman to show her face and illegal for women to have any power. Theyre basically second class citizens over there. They can do that in their country all they want but we dont want it here, the same way as they dont want our culture either. Only difference is we're supposed to tiptoe around and give them special treatment, or we're racist. Bollocks to that

no-one ever said all muslims are bad people, but it just doesnt fit in in this country.

I wonder where you got your informed information from? I have been to Saudi Arabia, one of the worlds largest muslim nations and women are treated with the utmost respect. I have seen it firsthand, whereas you have got your "info" from the utter tripe written by the tabloids or bnp themselves.

Islam is a peaceful religion, it always will be. Thankyou Jazz for actually seeing through the pathetic lies and simple mindedness of nick griffins bnp

It is the extremists, the racists and the igorant who put this country to shame.

[Bound]

Was chatting to a good mate this morning after last nights program. My mate is Muslim, so I asked what he made of Griffin's comments about women being treated as second class citizens, and getting stoned for adulary etc etc, given that nobody in the panal really made a comeback from what Griffin said. My mate was actually amused.

After talking I actually learned a thing or two and it backs up my suspicions that a lot of what Nick Griffin says about Islam is utter sh!te.

What he does is read parts of verses completely out of context and takes everything on face value without bothering to find out what it actually means. You can do exactly the same with any religious scripture.

Funnily enough, Islam was the religion that actually introduced women's rights in the middle east. Before Islam came about, women were treated as slaves or property. Their personal consent about anything concerning themselves was unimporant. They had no independance, could not own their own property and could not inherit anything in Pagan Arabia. Also, the birth of a daughter was seen as humiliation and a failure to the family, and baby girls were often burried alive. The practice of killing female children was uncontrolled as it was so acceptable.

Islam put a stop to that. With the advent of Islam came the verse from the Quran condemning those who practiced female infanticide:

"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people... Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."

(Basically its saying whatever of the two choices he picks, it is evil- which I bloody well agree with!)

"And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do)
shall be questioned. For what sin she was killed?"- Again, this is a direct challenge to the rigid customs of that time, and had many Eastern pagan leaders furious at this. Here was a teaching instructing women to be treated with humility. And lets not forget while this doesn't sound so impressive today, back then all over Africa, Asia and even Europe, women were treated like shit.

Also, "You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness...." and this one, "And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah (God) brings through it a great deal of good."

The Prophet himself apparantly married a wealthy and successful business woman who managed her father's vast business empire and had many men working beneath her. Doesn't sound like 2nd class citizens to me. Wonder why nobody said this to Griffin while he was sprouting his stupid shizzle.

This doesn't change the fact that female Muslims are forced to wear headscarf’s, and are stoned for adultery, rape or otherwise.

You haven't challenged the points, you've just put across points which demonstrate the good things Islam have done for women, Nick Griffin said himself last night, "Their not all bad, and have done some good things, and have some good points".

But the points he raised are true, contentious, and outrageous.

[23carragold]

This doesn't change the fact that female Muslims are forced to wear headscarf’s, and are stoned for adultery, rape or otherwise.

You haven't challenged the points, you've just put across points which demonstrate the good things Islam have done for women, Nick Griffin said himself last night, "Their not all bad, and have done some good things, and have some good points".

But the points he raised are true, contentious, and outrageous.


They are not forced to wear headscarves, it is a personal choice. The stoning etc is the extremism of sharia law, which is not advocated by the majority of us muslims, who do not agree with it at all. Please do not tar us all with the same brush.

[AXracing]

Was chatting to a good mate this morning after last nights program. My mate is Muslim, so I asked what he made of Griffin's comments about women being treated as second class citizens, and getting stoned for adulary etc etc, given that nobody in the panal really made a comeback from what Griffin said. My mate was actually amused.

After talking I actually learned a thing or two and it backs up my suspicions that a lot of what Nick Griffin says about Islam is utter sh!te.

What he does is read parts of verses completely out of context and takes everything on face value without bothering to find out what it actually means. You can do exactly the same with any religious scripture.

Funnily enough, Islam was the religion that actually introduced women's rights in the middle east. Before Islam came about, women were treated as slaves or property. Their personal consent about anything concerning themselves was unimporant. They had no independance, could not own their own property and could not inherit anything in Pagan Arabia. Also, the birth of a daughter was seen as humiliation and a failure to the family, and baby girls were often burried alive. The practice of killing female children was uncontrolled as it was so acceptable.

Islam put a stop to that. With the advent of Islam came the verse from the Quran condemning those who practiced female infanticide:

"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people... Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."

(Basically its saying whatever of the two choices he picks, it is evil- which I bloody well agree with!)

"And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do)
shall be questioned. For what sin she was killed?"- Again, this is a direct challenge to the rigid customs of that time, and had many Eastern pagan leaders furious at this. Here was a teaching instructing women to be treated with humility. And lets not forget while this doesn't sound so impressive today, back then all over Africa, Asia and even Europe, women were treated like shit.

Also, "You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness...." and this one, "And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah (God) brings through it a great deal of good."

The Prophet himself apparantly married a wealthy and successful business woman who managed her father's vast business empire and had many men working beneath her. Doesn't sound like 2nd class citizens to me. Wonder why nobody said this to Griffin while he was sprouting his stupid shizzle.

I have a few friends who are Muslims and I can say every one see it differently. I know women who are not allowed to show there face and are not allowed to be in the same room as me without a escort. One of my friends turned round to me a few years ago and totally unprompted called me something along the lines of “the worst of gods creations and I would burn in hell for eternity” They said it in quite a displeased and aggressive tone. I did ask later why they said this and it was because I was not Muslim and her fellow worshippers did not want her to spend time with me. I can go on but there is most definitely oppression out there. But on the flip side I know some people that call them self Muslims and you would never know unless you asked them. They have totally embraced the British way of life but still retain there faith and there history. Its like many things there are good and bad sides.

[Jazz]

This doesn't change the fact that female Muslims are forced to wear headscarf’s, and are stoned for adultery, rape or otherwise.
.

1) Forced to wear headscrafts? All a myth mate, actually they're not. In the words of Karen Armstrong (Islam: A Short History, 2000):

"The Quran prescribes some degree of segregation and veiling for the Prophet's wives, but there is nothing in the Quran that requires the veiling of all women or their seclusion in a separate part of the house. Muslims adopted these customs some 3 or 4 generations after the Prophet's death, copying the Greek Christians of Byzantium, who had long veiled and segregated their women in this manner."

Go to egypt, syria, turkey, all these muslim countries you get modern Muslim women shopping in malls not wearing it. Its a country/cultural thing, NOT a religios thing. A mistake everyone (including the media) makes.

2) Rape/ adultary is seen as one of the biggest sins. In christianity its no different. And it isn't only women in Islam who would get stoned, it applies to men too. Proof? Verse 24-2 says: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them".
A man in Iran was stoned to death a few years back for being found guilty of rape.

And Christianity echoes the same: Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Same perspective, different book.

Hope that answers yours (and Nick Griffins) issues..?

[Bound]

They are not forced to wear headscarves, it is a personal choice. The stoning etc is the extremism of sharia law, which is not advocated by the majority of us muslims, who do not agree with it at all. Please do not tar us all with the same brush.

Countries under Sharia law like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabi, Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq (prior to 2003), Egypt.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/70/Woman_wearing_Niqab.JPG/454px-Woman_wearing_Niqab.JPG

(although this is technically a Niqāb).

I'm not a fan personally.

It is the law that you HAVE to wear that in countries governed by Sharia law.

Stoning is also the death penalty in these countries.

It still happens. Fact, these are laws.

[Bound]

1) Forced to wear headscrafts? All a myth mate, actually they're not. In the words of Karen Armstrong (Islam: A Short History, 2000):

"The Quran prescribes some degree of segregation and veiling for the Prophet's wives, but there is nothing in the Quran that requires the veiling of all women or their seclusion in a separate part of the house. Muslims adopted these customs some 3 or 4 generations after the Prophet's death, copying the Greek Christians of Byzantium, who had long veiled and segregated their women in this manner."

Go to egypt, syria, turkey, all these muslim countries you get modern Muslim women shopping in malls not wearing it. Its a country/cultural thing, NOT a religios thing. A mistake everyone (including the media) makes.

2) Rape/ adultary is seen as one of the biggest sins. In christianity its no different. And it isn't only women in Islam who would get stoned, it applies to men too. Proof? Verse 24-2 says: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them".
A man in Iran was stoned to death a few years back for being found guilty of rape.

And Christianity echoes the same: Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Same perspective, different book.

Hope that answers yours (and Nick Griffins) issues..?

Uhm, I'm not a BNP supporter, or would ever vote for the BNP, thanks.

However, it annoys me that people are so ignorant, if someone says the BNP are bad, other people will just agree, because they are sheep, without knowing the facts, like I said before, AXracing highlighted some of the good things about the BNP, they have some good policies on illegal immigration, controlled immigration, British jobs for British people etc, denying another party is very single minded, and is the opposite of freedom, censorship, freedom of speech, and most importantly, a democracy.

It is different in Christianity, mainly because they are not stoned to death. But there are more than just two religions in the world, it's not just Islam and Christianity, I think a lot of people forget that, and so what, even if Christianity had done something, it doesn't make it right, or right for now, (e.g. witch burnings), but that hasn't happened for 300 years, Islam should of accepted this change too.

Also, like I said the Niqāb is not a preference, it is law under Sharia governed countries.

[Ryyy]

^ Maybe going ever so slightly off topic about the laws of Sharia?!

Anyway, I think the show last night, or the way Griffin was acting, was a shambles.

He obviously has nothing to show behind his policy promises and was thwarted on QT pretty darn quick. He seems a level below.

People that vote the BNP just because they think that if they do so, Britain will become an all-white, all-british pure nation are mis-informed.

BNP have not been around all that long at all, and have nothing to show besides looking like a Nazi like, racism encouraging half-arsed party.

[Barry123]

I thought the audience was interesting. Afro-carribeans, Pakistanis, Jewish, Indian etc. All people who were determined to be outraged and absolutely guaranteed to hate everything Griffin had to say. In short, hand-picked by the BBC.

I actually thought Griffin made some excellent points on immigration and absolutely destroyed the lad in the audience who asked Nick why he thinks Islam is a "cruel and wicked faith". No comeback from anyone whatsoever on that one, not even from the utterly repulsive Asian lady on the panel.

tbh Helios, I watch Question Time weekly and it's usually a pretty mixed bunch of people that participate - and whenever a comment regarding the BNP is made is usually greeted with boo's and jeer's... I wouldn't say it's anything different this time around in terms of the participants.

Now you know what I think of the BNP, I think Nick is a bit of a nutter, one or two good policys but a lot of otherwise very very worrying ideals pulled through from it's Tyndall days, not I suspect, by Griffin but certainly the organisation as a whole is wayyyy off the mark.

A large proportion of people that voted for the BNP and support the BNP are upset middle class people sick to death with the government's total failure in controlling immigration. It really is time you got your head out of the sand if you think people who vote BNP are all idiots.

Also, If you want to see who the real fascist bigots are, take a look at the protesters outside (and inside) the BBC studios. Seeing as Griffin is a democratically elected MEP that's an attack on democracy and free speech.

Whatever happens on the show, it's a victory for the BNP and Griffin knows that.

I think the demographic, certainly from the elected councillors are from the working class areas man... I still don't think that all the BNP votes came from voters suddenly feel like they'd found an alternative vote, I think for a good proportion of the electorate, people were riled by the MPs expenses at the time and that spilled over - a media storm takes over, and people may jump the band wagon or simply see an alternative party that suits them that they weren't aware of before.

Mate, I mean no disrespect by this and I value you have your opinion BUT... Come to Birmingham in your saxo for a month and have a drive around,,, see how many foreign folk cut you up ... you will soon change your mind mate ... and thats not an attempt at being racist its a down right fact im not saying all foreign people but majoirity of them....They drive differently in there country and think they can drive the same round here in UK.... its ok for people who live out of the way in nice areas to say yeah i think its good for the country etc ...but for example .. if your a builder or something with a business and have been running it successfully for years ... then suddenly your forced to cut your prices by like 50 % .. it nocks the original businesses out of the picture... and where do you end up.. On your arse with a failing business... thats what people get annoyed at and i see why . makes sense

I lived in Birmingham for a year, Selly Oak, working in Hall Green. I really didn't see the problems, not that were any, I know the riots were just down the road from where I worked and they were messy to say the least. But within the working environment you had a complete mix of people and it worked fantastically... bonus that we got to celebrate something every few week with shit loads of food and parties. The biggest celebration was for Christmas(!!!) with a meal and everyone took part. Anyone who thinks that because a few do or say some dickish things, that all of them are is seriously mistaken. Kicking off about someones driving is possibly the crappest reason I've seen on this whole area...

So you enjoyed living in Handsworth then? Honestly?
Why did you leave after a year then if you loved Handsworth so much?

It doesnt matter what you say to me, I am not ashamed to be a white patriot, and hate seeing our major towns and cities being turned into third world slums, taken over by foreigners, many of whom cant even be bothered to learn to speak English. They are only intenet on turning the areas they take over into their own cultures - not ours, hence all the temples, mosques etc that they are allowed by this Govt to put up.
Would the Pakistanis allow the Brits to go there, take over their towns and cities and build Christian churches there, and make the children learn English at school, and learn Christianity?

My father was offered a promotion where he'd be based in India... as his offspring, my sister and I would be put in an 'American School' and we'd be in a British/European/American neighbourhood. It happens everywhere I'm afraid mate, get over it otherwise it'll just gobble you up and this is all you'll ever unrelenting moan about.

They are running companies, not on the dole.

The UK is the only place that just lets you in and starts giving you handouts.

stinky... this is false man. Have you been through a customs desk recently...? forking hell I was behind a woman who was being asked a zillion questions by customs in Belgium, 10 bloody mins that i wasted in wrong queue. Trust me the doors are not 'wide open' as you suspect... Illegal immigrants are a very real problem though.

really enjoyed reading that... its so true.. im from B'ham too mate.. i feel your pain.. what you said is so true ...thats the thing, ive been to windsor for work and went the pubs on the night... what a totally pleasant night .no trouble or nothin. try that in Brum .. it just a totally different atmosphere in some places.. what was it ... something like 60 per cent of the people locked up in a year were foreign ... ? something like that

again I disagree... I've been out on Broad St countless times, it's been fine.


I'm off to get pissed.

[Jazz]

Countries under Sharia law like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabi, Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq (prior to 2003), Egypt.


(although this is technically a Niqāb).

I'm not a fan personally.

It is the law that you HAVE to wear that in countries governed by Sharia law.

Stoning is also the death penalty in these countries.

It still happens. Fact, these are laws.

My mate is a young successful doctor in pakistan, and is a member of the more "hooked-up" society. Muslim and everything. but his wife wears skirts, they go out to clubs in the major cities and do everything. She has never been near a headscarf since she wore it at school lol, too busy showing off her blonde highlights.

Women are advised to as these countries have traditionally been doing this for years. And some leaders feel the need to impose it.

As said, nothing in the Quran states they HAVE to wear it.

The only real difference between the attitudes of Islam and that of Christianity is that the Church has modernised and adapted to modern life (or at least what we westerners accept as modern life) while the Islamic world hasn't done as much. Some fundamental traditionalist Muslims need to realise that what were laws and rules back then aren't always fully fitting in a modern context. Which is why the Church no longer kills you for commiting adultery like it would have done years ago.

Its not the religion thats the problem. Its the mentality of those who practice it (a small minority I must add). Thats where the differences occur. The core values of the Church and Islam are actually startlingly similar when you actually research into them (not that surprising actually given that they both spring from Abraham wayyy back, along with Judaism.)

The modernist Islamic world is actually a really nice place to be and visit. think Dubai, UAE, Turkey, Tunisia... some of the top holiday destinations.

[Bound]

My mate is a young successful doctor in pakistan, and is a member of the more "hooked-up" society. Muslim and everything. but his wife wears skirts, they go out to clubs in the major cities and do everything. She has never been near a headscarf since she wore it at school lol, too busy showing off her blonde highlights.

Women are advised to as these countries have traditionally been doing this for years. And some leaders feel the need to impose it.

As said, nothing in the Quran states they HAVE to wear it.

The only real difference between the attitudes of Islam and that of Christianity is that the Church has modernised and adapted to modern life (or at least what we westerners accept as modern life) while the Islamic world hasn't done as much. Some fundamental traditionalist Muslims need to realise that what were laws and rules back then aren't always fully fitting in a modern context. Which is why the Church no longer kills you for commiting adultery like it would have done years ago.

Its not the religion thats the problem. Its the mentality of those who practice it (a small minority I must add). Thats where the differences occur. The core values of the Church and Islam are actually startlingly similar when you actually research into them (not that surprising actually given that they both spring from Abraham wayyy back, along with Judaism.)

I agree with you mate, this has been my opinion all along, I do not doubt Nick Griffin is racist, but I won't deny him the chance to say his piece, to prevent him, and silence him is not democratic.

Frankly, that's all that needs to be said, above everything else, democracy must be paramount.

[23carragold]

1) Forced to wear headscrafts? All a myth mate, actually they're not. In the words of Karen Armstrong (Islam: A Short History, 2000):

"The Quran prescribes some degree of segregation and veiling for the Prophet's wives, but there is nothing in the Quran that requires the veiling of all women or their seclusion in a separate part of the house. Muslims adopted these customs some 3 or 4 generations after the Prophet's death, copying the Greek Christians of Byzantium, who had long veiled and segregated their women in this manner."

Go to egypt, syria, turkey, all these muslim countries you get modern Muslim women shopping in malls not wearing it. Its a country/cultural thing, NOT a religios thing. A mistake everyone (including the media) makes.

2) Rape/ adultary is seen as one of the biggest sins. In christianity its no different. And it isn't only women in Islam who would get stoned, it applies to men too. Proof? Verse 24-2 says: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them".
A man in Iran was stoned to death a few years back for being found guilty of rape.

And Christianity echoes the same: Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Same perspective, different book.

Hope that answers yours (and Nick Griffins) issues..?


brilliantly put

[23carragold]

Countries under Sharia law like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabi, Nigeria, Sudan, Iraq (prior to 2003), Egypt.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/70/Woman_wearing_Niqab.JPG/454px-Woman_wearing_Niqab.JPG

(although this is technically a Niqāb).

I'm not a fan personally.

It is the law that you HAVE to wear that in countries governed by Sharia law.

Stoning is also the death penalty in these countries.

It still happens. Fact, these are laws.

Yes i agree with you, it is the law of the COUNTRY that decides to implement an archaic and wrong law. They have interpreted Islam in the incorrect way, the same way the extremists and the racists do.

But i reiterate, it is not in the Quran that you have to wear it, that is where the distinction lies.

[WheresMeNuts]

What makes that even worse is the fact its all a lie.

It's a FACT,Unless you are living on another planet.Do a little History & you will see I'm not a Liar & your just SSSSSSStupid to even suggest I was telling porkies :zainy:

[PSPDan]

To be fair I went to Egypt in July and when we were out of the resorts and in the towns and surrounding villages is was evident to me that women were pretty much second class citizens. I'm not really all for challenging people's religious beliefs but as Griffin said if said beliefs don't fit in with our society then they shouldn't be here. And I'm not a racist and have no problem with muslims and the like.

[Jazz]

Grew up in south london for 11 years where ethnic-minorities were everywhere.
Thing is I've grown up with Muslims all my life, and have seen what moderate peacful people they are- they would invite me and the fam into their homes, share thier culture, food and would always be there to lend a hand if ever we needed it. True friends tbh... hate-preachers disgust them just as much as they did to me.

None were on befits either iirc, in fact a few owned some of the finest restaurants I've ever stepped in.

[23carragold]

My mate is a young successful doctor in pakistan, and is a member of the more "hooked-up" society. Muslim and everything. but his wife wears skirts, they go out to clubs in the major cities and do everything. She has never been near a headscarf since she wore it at school lol, too busy showing off her blonde highlights.

Women are advised to as these countries have traditionally been doing this for years. And some leaders feel the need to impose it.

As said, nothing in the Quran states they HAVE to wear it.

The only real difference between the attitudes of Islam and that of Christianity is that the Church has modernised and adapted to modern life (or at least what we westerners accept as modern life) while the Islamic world hasn't done as much. Some fundamental traditionalist Muslims need to realise that what were laws and rules back then aren't always fully fitting in a modern context. Which is why the Church no longer kills you for commiting adultery like it would have done years ago.

Its not the religion thats the problem. Its the mentality of those who practice it (a small minority I must add). Thats where the differences occur. The core values of the Church and Islam are actually startlingly similar when you actually research into them (not that surprising actually given that they both spring from Abraham wayyy back, along with Judaism.)

The modernist Islamic world is actually a really nice place to be and visit. think Dubai, UAE, Turkey, Tunisia... some of the top holiday destinations.


Pakistan isn't actually under sharia law btw, i think that was a sweeping statement merely because the country itself is mainly muslim. I know this, as my family are pakistani and never have heard of it being implemented let alone in force.

[Jazz]

Pakistan isn't actually under sharia law btw, i think that was a sweeping statement merely because the country itself is mainly muslim. I know this, as my family are pakistani and never have heard of it being implemented let alone in force.

My mate lives in Karachi and bloody hell he has some stories to tell lol- apparantly its become properly modernised. Way he makes it sound makes me want to go visit there. Just all that political unrest and whatnot. :n:

[23carragold]

My mate lives in Karachi and bloody hell he has some stories to tell lol- apparantly its become properly modernised. Way he makes it sound makes me want to go visit there. Just all that political unrest and whatnot. :n:

Trust me it is! Alot of the central areas are being modernised, and it is becoming more and more westernised, which in my opinion can only be a good thing. Its just the extremist idiots that are ruining the stability of the country atm. tbh, extremists are just as bad and cancerous as the racists.