17cm Componants, which ones?

[Mochachino]

Not sure which to get, now im after some half decent ones.

Budget is around £120 mark.

Il be using them in the front doors, along with the smaller speakers in the rear, and depending on how it all sounds, possibly 6/8" subs in the rear quarters aswell or another set of 17cm componants.

From what i remember these are good makes, so ive picked these ones out. Anyother suggestions aswell please.

Rainbow SLX265 (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/rainbow-slx265.html)

Hertz Energy ESK 165.3 (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/hertz-energy-esk-165-3.html)

[Ashleyp]

no point having 2 sets of 17cm comps

best possibly set up is 17cm comps up front (or 3way comps)

and a sub in the boot

[Mochachino]

Ok, il just have the 17cm up front then to start off with.

Which ones would u reccomend?

[Ashleyp]

is the £120 just for comps?

remember, if your spending that much on speakers, the full system will be relativly expensive.

[Mochachino]

Well whats a full system to you lol

I really dont want a sub becouse of the weight etc.

So basically i want a decent setup which delivers bass without drowning out the mid and treble and without using a sub in its enclosure.

yeh £120 for the comps

anything up to £140 really.

[Phsyco_Paff]

Front and rear components amped and set up propley sounds best

remember buying and fitting is only 30% compleat running the right amp for the job and setting it up propley is what matters :y:

you could make 40 quid speakers sound better than 100 quid ones if the 40 quid ones was set up better than 100 quid ones

P.s DO NOT BUY 6X9'S

[Mochachino]

Front and rear components amped and set up propley sounds best

remember buying and fitting is only 30% compleat running the right amp for the job and setting it up propley is what matters :y:

you could make 40 quid speakers sound better than 100 quid ones if the 40 quid ones was set up better than 100 quid ones

P.s DO NOT BUY 6X9'S

Aye i know the basics such as 6x9s lol.

Just been readin on talk audio that £60 componants setup properly with soundproofing etc can sound better than unprepared £300 ones etc.

Im planning on fitting the 17cm ones first direct to the headunit, then the next purchase will be an amp for them.

Also wireing aswell.

[Phsyco_Paff]

Aye i know the basics such as 6x9s lol.

Just been readin on talk audio that £60 componants setup properly with soundproofing etc can sound better than unprepared £300 ones etc.

Im planning on fitting the 17cm ones first direct to the headunit, then the next purchase will be an amp for them.

Also wireing aswell.

Ok that will do for now you'll need a good quality 4 channel amp 17 cm in front as you said and 13 cm speakers in back

Make sure your wireing kit is a gooden and the power cable is the rite gadge

[Mochachino]

cheers mate. Any advice on which set of components to get?

[Ashleyp]

theres no point having 13cm speakers in the back

uprated 10cm coaxials are OK, ive experimented, when theyre there, you dont notice the sound. however take them away and you notice theyre gone. (sounds weird i know)

they add a little rear fill to the car, without noticeable dragging the staging backwards.

danny. if i were to make a "full system" on your specs, it'd be:

headunit (i see youve just bought one on FB)
17cm comps (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/hertz-dieci-dsk-165.html) up front (although id prefer a 13cm set up)
amplifier (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audison-srx-2.html) for 17cm comps
10cm coaxials (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/jbl-gt5-402.html) in the rear quarters.
a nice SQ sounding 10" (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/hertz-energy-es250-3d.html) or even 8" (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/jl-audio-8w3v3.html) sub
amp for sub (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/alpine-mrp-m352.html)
small sealed box for sub
sound deadening (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/second-skin-damplifier-pro-trunk-kit.html) in front doors & boot
wiring kit (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/celsus-cnk4d-4awg-dual-amp.html)

all of that could easily work out to over £1000 on a "low budget" set up.

but, seeing as you have quite similar tastes to me as to how your audio should sound. something i considerd when trying to sort a system for my vts was

13cm comps (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/rainbow-slx230-deluxe.html) up front (in your case 17cm)
a nice spec 4 channel amp (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audison-srx-3.html)
and small 8" (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/jl-audio-8w3v3.html) 0r 10" (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/hertz-energy-es250-3d.html) sub

adding a small sub wont add noticeable weight. ive driven with my old 10" sub which weighd 15kg (pretty heavy for a sub) and i didnt even notice that, that was in a box weighing upto 5kg too

just remember danny. you dont have to buy all in one go, a good system is best built up over time, working from the front to the back of the car.

please note: this isnt the "best" set up out there for the price. there may be better products. but these are probably the one's id go for if i was in this situation

as you can see, a sub doesnt have to cost the earth, those subs mentioned above produce around 150 - 350wrms (run off those amps) which sounds like nothing to the un-educated. but it's a very nice ammount imo. i ran an old sub on 120wrms and it was more than enough for me.

id go for the 4 channel set up with the 13cm comps personally. the reason being, an 8" sub is 20cm (only 3 bigger than the comps woofer) yeah i know they operate with different jobs, but there will be a few freq's that cross over, and your losing a lot of the high mid's that the 13cm woofer will produce.

Also: the 4 channel set up costs just under £750 with wires & deadening. which isnt a bad price for a decent set up like that. but the amp is better than both those stated in the top set up. and the 13cm comps are much better than the 17cm comps.

sorry for all the random info after the links lol. me just rambling on

[Mochachino]

Mate your a genious, this is the sort of reply i needed. As youve said il be buiding it up over time from the front backwards, and il be doing a proper job of it.

The only problem is my headunit has one preout. So i guess i have to go the the 4channal amp unless i change my HU ive bought yesterday.

Also the frequency crossovers worry me abit as im after it being almost perfect on a very very tight budget.

Im going to take your advice and actually stick with 13cm components.

Just got to work out which sub to go for now!

Thanks again mate, going to get almost exactly that now!

[Ashleyp]

the 4 channel set up would be best imo. granted it's far less expandable in terms of upgrades. but it's a better set up overall

depending on cash you can get a better set up, but imo for under £750, youd be getting an awesome set up for SQ.

the only downside to having a 4 channel amp is it leaves you with less individual control of both speakers & sub. having said that, you get the right combo of products run off the amp and you'll not need to worry atall

rainbow comps & JL sub off that audison will be awesome. just make sure you sound deaden properly & get a decent box for the sub

the sub box wont need to be that big atall, around 0.35cuft id assume. which is tiny. i ran a box with 2cuft and it took up half the boot

i would have personally gone for this headunit (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pioneer-deh-p5100ub.html), it has the only 7 band graphic paramatic EQ under £200, the one you own will be more than capable of doing the job though.

the combo of 13cm comps & 20cm sub will be an SQ dream. a lot will tell you that 8" is not big enough for a sub. but that JL will drop to 25hz. you cant really hear below 30HZ so it's more than fine

as for the amp. well audison are right up there as one of the leading brands for sound quality. the amp will be running 2x75W for the comps + 1x270w RMS for the sub @ 4ohms. maybe a little less with the gain turned down (in an ideal world). the amp features a lot of controls giving you a high level of control over your set up.

the amp is designed for this type of set up. being a 3 channel its designed to run a set of comps and a sub.

[Mochachino]

Thanks again mate. with that amp being adequate it should be straight forward for me now :).

The only next poblem will be making a sub box for the sub to the right measurments. But that wont be for a few weeks yet.

As im getting 13cm componants now i can get them next week as i was going to be buying the pods next week. So im gettin stuck in straight away. I think after that will be sub and amp at the same time. Get the interior done and i can soundproof and then get it all installed. Cant wait, been so long since ive had music in ma car lol.

Once i get it all done il come over n see ya. let u have a listnen :)

[Ashleyp]

Thanks again mate. with that amp being adequate it should be straight forward for me now :).

The only next poblem will be making a sub box for the sub to the right measurments. But that wont be for a few weeks yet.

As im getting 13cm componants now i can get them next week as i was going to be buying the pods next week. So im gettin stuck in straight away. I think after that will be sub and amp at the same time. Get the interior done and i can soundproof and then get it all installed. Cant wait, been so long since ive had music in ma car lol.

Once i get it all done il come over n see ya. let u have a listnen :)

you wont need pods for 13cm comps mate. you can fit them easily in the standard door's, may need spacers like so:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s47/ashleyprigmore/DSC00233.jpg

sub box at a small quick calculation if a wedge shape (to fit tight to the back seat) will need to be 9" high, 9" wide, 9" for the bottom of the depth, and 6" for the top of the depth (to get the wedge shape)

bare in mind these are internal measurements, so if using 0.5" thick MDF, external measurements will be a little bigger than the measurements above.

those arent exact measure ments btw, i dont have a protractor hear to work it out properly to sit perfect against the back seat.

those internal measurements above will give you a 0.35 cuft box which with the sub in should create around a 0.30cuft air space which is what JL reccomend.

[Mochachino]

Cant thank that post, think ive used them up. Thanks though mate, also gonna work on making that now aswell on the side :)