EP3 vs EK9

[CitroenSport]

love them both and they are both the same 0-60 (EP3 higher top end)

is it true the ek9 was seam welded and came with LSD as standard?

which handles better?

and which would you rather have?

cheers:y:

[Krys_23]

EK9 all day.. quickest FWD car to this day ( 0-60 5.7 secs )

[Krys_23]

Quickest to 60 i meant obviously..

[Ashleyp]

all JDM honda's come with an LSD as standard

id rather have an ek9, its more "hardcore" from what i hear, the EP3 is still pretty awesome, but with slightly more mod-cons etc, a better all round package

[Mieran]

The EK9 is faster to 60 but I rather have an EP3.

EP3 looks much better imo.

If I had to choose an old skool Type-R it will deffo have to be a JDM DC2.

[Ashleyp]

agreed, DC2 is win

[furiomike]

I'd have a DC2 as well. They actually have more BHP per ton than an EK9, so in theory quicker to 60mph.

[Tommo87]

Lol,sorry but if you believe a standard EK9 will hit 60 in 5.7seconds then i'm sorry my friend but you're delusional,my eg6 embarrassed them.

Yes they are seam welded and came with an s4c LSD gearbox.

They are a very raw car which you will need to learn to drive in order to enjoy it,this involves alot of heel-toe and moving through the gears a lot.

Imho the 9 is over priced for what it is.

The EP3 is a much better day to day car,which still has lots of the the R in it,plus with a k-pro,modded standard airbox,exhaust system will be about 230bhp and plenty of torque.

So the EP gets it imo.

[Ben]

This thread needs pictures :P

[Mieran]

EK9 is deffo over ratted. Who cares if its a hardcore 1.6, I rather have a 2.0 with lots of tuning potential.

Tommo, is k-pro just an aftermarket ecu?

[Gary-VTR]

EK9 any day of the week.

Best looking Civic imo

[Chr15]

Whats with the fascination over Civics lately. Plus the acronym JDM is plain annoying.

[Tommo87]

Yes K-pro is a standalone ECU developed cw Hondata which totally transforms the EP3 it's like driving a new car.

The 9 comes with Hondas B-series which although an amazing engine is now dated technology and despite there always being a place for the B-series alot of tuners are now realising the potential of the K.

The 9 is not quicker than an EP3 and Hondas 5.7 0-60 was done in a race preped version.

As for the whole JDM thing my civic was a prime example of JDM as ever part was stamped 'Made in Japan' which is what JDM is 'Japanese Domestic Market' and no just because your civic has amber corners it's not JDM.

[Tommo87]

If you have the funds see if you can find a JDM EP3, these are more than a UKDM EP3 but you get 212bhp rather than 197bhp they also come with an LSD and have the option of Championship White and better suspension,basically we got fucked over with our EP3 as the JDM one is much better.

When I talk of JDM it usually refers to an imported Japanese vehicle.

[Ferg]

JDM EP3 please.
Actual win in a tin.

I'd have an EK9 in a heartbeat but getting one at a reasonable price with ok miles is difficult. Therefore DC2 would be the sensible choice.

[Ferg]

JDM EP3 please.
Actual win in a tin.

I'd have an EK9 in a heartbeat but getting one at a reasonable price with ok miles is difficult. Therefore DC2 would be the sensible choice.

[hellovts]

EP3 > EK9 all day long

however

DC2 vs EP3 is a different story

[Mystic]

I'd go with an EP3 too (still might get one one day), was looking at them before i got the sax but the insurance was a killer :(

[hellovts]

i dont know why insurance is a killer on the EP3.. its easier for me to insure a focus RS mk1 than a EP3 thats why im not getting one

wouldv got one if insurance was abit more reasonable - basards lol

[Tommo87]

saying all this about over priced for an EK9 (which is true) i can't really talk as i'll be spending £7k on a standard 95 EG6 next year.

[Ashleyp]

i like the JDM fd2 as opposed to the crappy EUDM version

still DC5 for me everyday. or s2k

[hellovts]

would love a DC2 type r as a weekend toy! £4k for a decent one... hmm

Focus RS first :) turbo! lol..

[adam_baker]

EK9 :)

[VTR-GAZzA]

ek9 anyday jordan :)

[Connor_scotland]

EK9 ALL day long

Have used both on the track and prefer the EK9 as its not as poofy as the EP3. Hardcore how they should be.

[Ashleyp]

EK9 ALL day long

Have used both on the track and prefer the EK9 as its not as poofy as the EP3. Hardcore how they should be.

thats what id assume theyd be like on track

the ep3 would be the better allround car, for a daily aswell though?

[Connor_scotland]

I really slated the EP3 in another thread on here recently but have driven one again and enjoyed it a bit more.

I agree

Hardcore track car - EK9
Using for work and hammering at the weekends - EP3
STreet racing at maccy dz with ma bitches and ma 9mm - EK9

[kcsaxo]

i would say ek9 for old times sake, dc2 is stupid money for engines that have done 100k+ they still fetch £4-5k easy when i can get a 03 plate EP3, obviousley that is putting handling and pedigree aside their.

the other reason is that the VTEC crossover on the old engines seem to sound better with a deeper howl compared to the newer k-series engines but then again new technology comes into play their.

[Tommo87]

the 9 is a toy the 3 is an excellent all rounder.

And honestly take it from someone who has driven both a standard ep3 is an excellent car but a k-pro on there totally transforms it a to the point where a standard one feels lacking.

[furiomike]

i would say ek9 for old times sake, dc2 is stupid money for engines that have done 100k+ they still fetch £4-5k easy when i can get a 03 plate EP3, obviousley that is putting handling and pedigree aside their.

the other reason is that the VTEC crossover on the old engines seem to sound better with a deeper howl compared to the newer k-series engines but then again new technology comes into play their.
EK9's tend to cost more or about as much as DC2's though. A decent JDM DC2 is probably over £5k, but that's on ~60k miles. To me a DC2 is far better looking, the EK9 doesn't do anything for me.

[Japman]

I like both

there was a mint ek9 in last months banzai

[sir_dave]

you will need to ..... heel-toe and moving through the gears a lot.

Why is this a bad thing? Surely thats half the fun of driving - I heel & toe my commuter BMW lol ...

For me:

1. DC2 - full of Win in everyway
2. EK9 - great, but not as good as ^^^
3. Milkfloat - cheap to run, better looking than an EP3
4. EP3 - steering feel? Nope. Looks? Nope. Win? Nope.

[Japman]

disagree,

steering feels great and you can feel everything throught he wheel

looks - yes they look nice i think and so do alot of others

win- each to thier own but both good cars

[Tommo87]

it's not a bad thing having to heel-toe it just get tedious trying to keep the engine in its power band because if you drop off cam there is very little to get you back there in 3rd - 5th.

The ideal thing is to get a b18c-r crank and rods as they are a direct swap to put displacement up from 1600 to 1800cc.

[Steve]

it's not a bad thing having to heel-toe it just get tedious trying to keep the engine in its power band because if you drop off cam there is very little to get you back there in 3rd - 5th.

The ideal thing is to get a b18c-r crank and rods as they are a direct swap to put displacement up from 1600 to 1800cc.

i would say that makes driving it more fun, but depends on teh driver.

Yeah can stroke the b16 up to a b18.

Because the b18 is the b16 stroked up in the factory ;) (so i read).

[sir_dave]

disagree,steering feels great and you can feel everything throught he wheel

Hmmm, perhaps i drove a few f*cked ones then - seemed light as a feather with little or no feedback to me. Shame as the engine & gearbox was sublime. Really wanted one but really couldnt get on with the steering ...

Ended up buying a 182 instead. This was back in 05 though, so i would have driven the earlier CTRs!

Perhaps i should try a later one, to cure my demonds ;) not that i have anywhere to put one even if i did love it lol

[Chuffy]

The steering racks can go on ctr's and its electronic power steering whereas the DC5, you get a pump

[Tommo87]

it is fun but it just gets a bit long in the tooth having to do it all the time.

The b16b yes is a destroked b18 but not the b16a which has a different block height.

[furiomike]

Even my FN2 has pretty heavy steering with enough feel in it so i;d be surprised if an EP3 didn't.

[Tommo87]

Ash you have pm.

[byrnes]

ek9 love them cars, insurance group 20 tho :(

[Tommo87]

group17/18 most.

[furiomike]

Are they all imports though. You'll probably get bummed with insurance by some.

[Tommo87]

yeah all 9s are imports which does put insurance up but they are no way group 20 every one i know of is in group 17/18,yellow ones are usually group 18 as they are rarer and more desirable for thieves.

[Karl]

ek9s are awesome yet overpriced.
EP3s are a great all rounder.

[Jazz]

The EK9 is faster to 60 but I rather have an EP3.

If I had to choose an old skool Type-R it will deffo have to be a JDM DC2.

EK9 isn't really any faster. Its rapid off the mark but into 3 figures a healthy EP3 will skip away, as will a DC2. Agreed about 0-60mph though, possibly. Even then I'm doubtful it would better an EP3 in road spec.

And I agree, for an old school Type R I'd go DC2, or for the best alrounder I'd choose an ATR (oh wait... lol)

And as mentioned a full spec EK9 will not be doing 0-60mph in 5.7seconds. In fact mid/later 6's is far more realisic. EK9 is no match whatsoever for a DC2 Teg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKF950JjHZw

Awesome little toys and they're just so pure and aggressive, which is why people love them so much, and that B16b engine could rev forever.

As standard the EK9 will handle better than a UK spec EP3, but the EP3 is without any doubt a better car.

[titchster]

If you have the funds see if you can find a JDM EP3, these are more than a UKDM EP3 but you get 212bhp rather than 197bhp they also come with an LSD and have the option of Championship White and better suspension,basically we got fucked over with our EP3 as the JDM one is much better.

When I talk of JDM it usually refers to an imported Japanese vehicle.

JDM EP3 please.
Actual win in a tin.

I'd have an EK9 in a heartbeat but getting one at a reasonable price with ok miles is difficult. Therefore DC2 would be the sensible choice.

:luff: Think Ferg knows of my love for JDM EP3s. Just a shame they're grp 20 opposed to the 17 of the UKDM version. :(

[sparky771]

EK9 or the ones before with the thin headlights cant remember the proper name lol

[Jazz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouBHTpHE61U

JDM EP3 is quite nippy ;)

[titchster]

sparky - EG, there are no Type R in that model though. Top spec is VTi (Or VTI-S, or SiR as an import).


Jazz - Am I right in thinking this is the thread you meant to post that video in first? :p

[Jazz]

haha yes ;)

[Gary-VTR]

Whilst on the subject of Civics..

What'd you rather have, a VTR or a JDM EJ9?

I've been offered a quality EJ9 for a tasty price. Just don't know if I could part with my VTR + the Civic is slower. :(

[Ashleyp]

for all those complaining about the price of the dc2 compared to the ek9. isnt it because the dc2 is one of THE best enthusiasts cars out?

£6k for a half decent 98 spec on around 60k miles isnt bad atall imo.

compare it to most 106's which are around 3k for near 100k miles ;)

double the price for a car more than doubly as good with less miles. seems reasonable tbh

to the above poster, whats an EJ9?

oh and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOm1kaWk9J8&

:D

[Mieran]

Whilst on the subject of Civics..

What'd you rather have, a VTR or a JDM EJ9?

I've been offered a quality EJ9 for a tasty price. Just don't know if I could part with my VTR + the Civic is slower. :(

B16/18 conversion ;)

and EJ9 is same shape as EK9 but with a 1.4 engine

[Jazz]

Whilst on the subject of Civics..

What'd you rather have, a VTR or a JDM EJ9?

I've been offered a quality EJ9 for a tasty price. Just don't know if I could part with my VTR + the Civic is slower. :(

EJ9 is basically an EK shape civic but with the lesser D-series engines iirc.

Definately worth a look, they have four-wheel fully independant suspension and probably more solid. Not sure if it will be as fun though.

[Tommo87]

The first R technically was the EF9 SiR followed by the EG6 SiR2 then the EK9 then the EP3 then the FD2.

So yes the EG chassis did get an R just not over here.

[titchster]

But it's not a 'Type R', with the legendary red logo is it? ;)

[nickwillyhams]

gotta be the ek9, the fact that its not that far from ep3 power an its a 1600 does it for me :) id love an ek9 motor in my vts :)

[Ferg]

:luff: Think Ferg knows of my love for JDM EP3s. Just a shame they're grp 20 opposed to the 17 of the UKDM version. :(

Serious dude, I'm a massive lover.
Feb/March time this forum will have a JDM EP3 on it's books.
(If all goes to plan)

[Mieran]

Ferg how come you love them so much?

I'm not a big fan of championship white tbh.

[Tommo87]

No but the correct notation is Si-R as it was designed as a 'racing' version of the civics top model the Si,with less weight and better bracing.

Also the b16b in the ek9 is extremely hard to get any more power from whereas the b16a from the SiR2 is much more tunable as a 1600.

[kcsaxo]

granted the DC2 is one of the best FWD cars out there, the price tag is only worth paying for if it has a decent mileage to match imho. theres no way i am paying £5k for something that has 100k+ on the clock regardless of how good the car is, you have to take into account what kind of hidden costs will be involved with buying high milers such as:

brakes
suspension
exhaust
chassis wear
clutch
brake pipes to name a few

if it was mint then yes but not a chance when theres newer and more comfortable out there and tbh, how many will actually get the full use out of those cars. again the same applies to the EP3, £11k for a 2005 when theres BMW's to pick up for that money, as much as i love JDM cars i cant justify that type of money as that will allow me to move into another league of drivers cars.

[titchster]

Serious dude, I'm a massive lover.
Feb/March time this forum will have a JDM EP3 on it's books.
(If all goes to plan)

Oh, so am I. They take presidence over any supercar IMO.
You will take me out in it if ever we meet. :p

[Ferg]

Oh, so am I. They take presidence over any supercar IMO.
You will take me out in it if ever we meet. :p

Yeah of course dude.
P.S you going to Shed Llandow?

[titchster]

Just checked the thread, if there's still spaces when I get paid, i'll have a think about it. :y:
What's the price now?

[rushy_23]

EK9 for me. But the price tag is the only con.

I cant see why the EK9 would be more hardcore than say a Saxo/106. If you drive it normally then its going to be comfy and suitable for A to B.

Yes the EP3 will be much nicer! But the EK9 isnt going to kill you each time you use it.

Plus I love old school. And the EK9 ticks that box. Love them to bits! :D

[jimbo06]

yeah all 9s are imports which does put insurance up but they are no way group 20 every one i know of is in group 17/18,yellow ones are usually group 18 as they are rarer and more desirable for thieves.

Errr no yellow ones are still a group 20 as are they others colours...my brother owns one of the few yellow ones in the country ;).

[titchster]

Think he was referring to the Jordans. Although, they're grp 15.

Oh, and Tommo, the 9 is 20.
Coming straight from the 9 forum.
http://www.ek9.org/forum/insurance/5320-insurance.html

[Heliosphan]

EK9 is great track toy - yeah but how often are you going to go on track with it? I bet 95% of people on this forum have never driven one. I can imagine they're totally shit for a daily drive. Peaky as hell, noisy, fuck all torque - yeah great and I've just spent £6000 on a Jap import - BRILLIANT!

I'd have one though, just for the pub banter and rarity but the prices ARE a joke. Not to mention the fact that an EP3 would muller one in a straight line.

[titchster]

They don't actually muller them. They pull away a bit IIRC. You've got to remember that whilst the 9 is about 10bhp down on the EP3, it's also a lot lighter...

[jimbo06]

EK9 is great track toy - yeah but how often are you going to go on track with it? I bet 95% of people on this forum have never driven one. I can imagine they're totally shit for a daily drive. Peaky as hell, noisy, fuck all torque - yeah great and I've just spent £6000 on a Jap import - BRILLIANT!

I'd have one though, just for the pub banter and rarity but the prices ARE a joke. Not to mention the fact that an EP3 would muller one in a straight line.

Wrong on both accounts here really mate (yes i have drove a ek9 and an ep3 - my brother owns both) and when they are both standard theres not alot in it between them until after 3 figures and as regards to how easy the ek9 is to live with on a day to day basis well its actually quite nice in standard form.

[Mieran]

jimbo is there a Honda that your brother hasn't owned yet? :panic:

btw link me up to his forum please.

[jimbo06]

jimbo is there a Honda that your brother hasn't owned yet? :panic:

btw link me up to his forum please.

Lol quite a few but we know alot of lads with just about every other honda lol

Its www.hondanortheast.org.uk mate ;)

Or and hes always on ek9.org aswel

[Mieran]

Lol quite a few but we know alot of lads with just about every other honda lol

Its www.hondanortheast.org.uk mate ;)

I saw an orange EG with that sticker on in town a few weeks ago, it was immaculate.

cheers for the link :y:

[jimbo06]

I saw an orange EG with that sticker on in town a few weeks ago, it was immaculate.

cheers for the link :y:

Ahhh yes that will be lenny, with buddyclub p1's on it and very low? lol

no worries dude

[Mieran]

yep, was very low and some sort of grey wheels

[sparky771]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd96/sheldo12345/simg9961.jpg

thats what i would have ;) the EK are nice too :p

[titchster]

EG SiR?

[sparky771]

think so, not sure on exact model its just a pic i found on Photobucket haha
i just think they look 'manly' the EKs lights look abit daft imo :panic:

[Japman]

EK9 for me. But the price tag is the only con.

I cant see why the EK9 would be more hardcore than say a Saxo/106. If you drive it normally then its going to be comfy and suitable for A to B.

Yes the EP3 will be much nicer! But the EK9 isnt going to kill you each time you use it.

Plus I love old school. And the EK9 ticks that box. Love them to bits! :D

Sorry rush but i have to disagree there mate

an ek9 is a totally different car to a saxo or 106

There is no way at all you can compare them

[rushy_23]

Sorry rush but i have to disagree there mate

an ek9 is a totally different car to a saxo or 106

There is no way at all you can compare them

Im not refering to "0 to 60 times" or speed/handling and all that jazz.


I mean to live with. Things like driving position, noise levels, cabin space, boot size etc etc.

Somebody said the EP3 is easier to live with. The point Im trying to make is most newer cars are more comfy. Of course they are! But that does mean older cars cant be comfy. I cant see how an EK9 would be majorly more hard to live with over an EP3 (driving both sensibly as a daily driver).

Same as a 106. Yes its well basic. But in standard form is comfy enough to do the job. An EP3 would be nicer to live with than a 106. But thats not to say the 106 will be raw.



My post wasnt comparing an EK9 to a 106 performance wise! Sorry if it was misleading.

[titchster]

Same as a 106. Yes its well basic. But in standard form is comfy enough to do the job. An EP3 would be nicer to live with than a 106. But thats not to say the 106 will be raw.

Later ones get electric mirrors, air con etc. So not even as basic as a 106.

[hellovts]

i feel that the EK9 is a stunning car and if you own one it is great to say uv got one and pub banter as said above

EP3 - common car

just everytime i see a EK9 i think ooo expensive for what it is, and great at what it does! and i think they look sexy with the right mods aswell but its just however is brave enough to stump that £££ up for a old import .. then the difficulties selling it compared to a EP3 but hats down to whoever does buy one i declined for those reasons and bought myself a fiesta ST

[rushy_23]

I also very much doubt an EK9 hits 60 in 5.7 seconds!

[Jazz]

I also very much doubt an EK9 hits 60 in 5.7 seconds!

It doesn't, not in full road spec anyway. More like mid/late 6's. Still very quick off the mark though.