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Jimmy-Boy
22nd November 2009, 17:50
on my furio with breathing mods just have the standard furio 1.4 gear box..

i want far more grunt and acceleration... have been messing about with the calculaters and the 1.4 box with 1.1 Fd is pretty short - is this ok ? would the fd cope in the 1.4 box?

and an even better accelerating one is the vts box with 1.1 Fd, again is this ok ?

lastly if i was to uprate to a vts engine with cams and higher rev limit would both still be suitable?

thanks all

:afro:

raunchz
22nd November 2009, 17:52
in theory you could do, but would be easier to just use a 1.1 box!

The main reason they are different if because of the FD - if you put the same FD in a 1.1 box and a 1.4 box you'd barely feel a difference in ratios.

For the hassle its worth just get a 1.1 box

Jimmy-Boy
22nd November 2009, 18:43
but 1st 2nd are the same with the 1.1 box compared to the 1.4/1.1fd but from gear 3 to 5 there much closer + i want it to be refurbed :y:

raunchz
22nd November 2009, 19:08
but 1st 2nd are the same with the 1.1 box compared to the 1.4/1.1fd but from gear 3 to 5 there much closer + i want it to be refurbed :y:

You'd hardly notice the difference on the road tbh!! It's the FD that'll change the feel of the box.

I'd stick with a 1.1 box and get that reconditioned if you really want to, but personally I think it's a false economy

Jimmy-Boy
22nd November 2009, 19:15
You'd hardly notice the difference on the road tbh!! It's the FD that'll change the feel of the box.

I'd stick with a 1.1 box and get that reconditioned if you really want to, but personally I think it's a false economy

i am slowly making it into a track car bud, being a student im taking it slow but is getting there! what you mean about the FD changing feel of the box? my mate had a 1.1 box on its own and he said it was still to long. i was ideally after a recond s1 or 1.4xsi box but there hard to come by!

raunchz
22nd November 2009, 19:39
The difference in gear ratios won't be noticable between the 1.4 and 1.1 box - as a result there's not real point in making a hybrid box.

If you want a track car then wait around for an S1 or 1.4 xsi box - get on 106rallyeforum - thats where most of the boxes tend to be sold.

There's no point spending £300 on a 1.1 box getting it reconditioned - when you can buy a broken/whining xsi box for the same amount and get it reconditioned.

Jimmy-Boy
22nd November 2009, 20:02
but it will surely it will be stronger aswell in a 1.4 or 1.6 16v box?

speeds in boxes as follows...

redline: 6250
Fd: 1.1
ratios: 1.6 16v

1st = 28 2nd = 49 3rd = 70 4th = 91 5th = 112

redline: 6250
Fd: 4.268 (1.1)
ratios: (1.4)

1st = 26 2nd = 49 3rd = 75 4th = 93 5th = 124.

1.1:

1st = 28 2nd = 53 3rd = 75 4th = 93 5th = 124

1.4:

1st = 30 2nd = 56 3rd = 85 4th = 106 5th = 141 :O


thanks for all the help btw raunchz

raunchz
22nd November 2009, 20:21
Those 1.4 speeds don't seem right with a 1.1 FD to me, I could be wrong though.

Rember the 1.1/1.4 diff will take less abuse than the vts/xsi box

There's an expression polishing a turd, IMO you're doing this by playing about with 1.1/1.4 boxes

Jimmy-Boy
22nd November 2009, 20:37
Those 1.4 speeds don't seem right with a 1.1 FD to me, I could be wrong though.

Rember the 1.1/1.4 diff will take less abuse than the vts/xsi box

There's an expression polishing a turd, IMO you're doing this by playing about with 1.1/1.4 boxes

ok mate i see what your saying!

i personally like the sound of this:

redline: 6250
Fd: 1.1
ratios: 1.6 16v

1st = 28 2nd = 49 3rd = 70 4th = 91 5th = 112

its also pretty much identicle to the 1.4xsi and i would be able to get the vts and 1.1 bits much cheaper to and they would be stronger as xsi boxes are older and sought after?

will give it a month or 2 before deciding and meanwhile will keep me eyes open for the s1 box ;)

piggy123
22nd November 2009, 20:57
stop being a pussy and just get an XSI or S1/2 rallye box :D

Jimmy-Boy
22nd November 2009, 22:00
haha i no, but i can't find a s1/1.4 xsi box!! if i can't get one before feb im mixing :P