PAS, heater fan , rear demister Repair. [Archive] - Page 2 - Saxperience

ashr0205

1st February 2010, 14:11

PROBLEM FIXED AT LAST!

i tried this mod and didn't work for me went to citroen and they wanted to replace the ignition (in excess of £300 with fitting). i went to a auto electrician and they found and fixed the problem within 45 mins. it was a relay that had gone on mine i HIGHLY ADVISE YOU CHECK THIS before changing your ignition as it only gost me £30.

hope this helps someone.

bbbishop132

2nd February 2010, 21:20

So being mechanically not electrically minded I knew I could be in trouble but tried the fix it all seems too easy and of course all three on mine (PAS, blower, heater) still buggered after crimping together.

I have both the battery and engine management lights on which no one else has mentioned

How can I check the alternator as I don't have a test meter.

Any other suggestions?

Tabzman

4th February 2010, 21:45

Does this work with cars that dont have PAS?? ie, that have know heater or rear dimister workin?

Smokey

10th February 2010, 14:25

Si_147
Your heater working only on the third setting comes down to a small resister on the blower that has broken, this can be replaced but it is quite tricky (blower is stashed behind the dash) there is quite a good thread on that if you do a search.
As for the combination of things not working have you tried simply wiggling the key in the ignition or the wires going into the back of the ignition as i did this to solve the same problem, eventually i replaced the small plastic switch section at the back of the ignition (£2 from scrappy) and this fixed all of the problems i was getting.
Hope that helps, plus bye bye everyone i have a new car (Audi S3 :y:) so am going to change my membership to Audi-sport.net.
Thanks 2 the peeps that have helped me in the past.:hug:

goodall3518

10th February 2010, 14:59

~bump~

I had the same problem with my Saxo Westcoast, 99 reg. One day the PAS, heater blowers and rear de-mister stopped working.! I struggled with it for about 3 weeks, took it to a garage who even after trying to charge me £60 for a diagnostics check could not find the fault... went to Halfords today and bought the tools and kit for the job shown here. Cost me no more than £14.

And the result? Works perfectly now! Very good resolution to a really shit problem lol... thanks v much for the help! Will be keeping an eye on it from now.

Reccomend this fix!

Padley

28th February 2010, 21:17

Can you cut the wires from the loom and just connect them? =\

mattvts23

6th March 2010, 16:28

So what size wire are people using?

chapperz

2nd April 2010, 16:53

i've jus done this fix n all 3 back up n runnin, ive bin tryin sort this for weeks wish i'd seen this thread!!! the heaters only workin on highest level so rekon need new fan switch or blower motor duno, thanks for the fix tip n pic!!

DazzaVTS

21st April 2010, 18:04

Hey There,

Just got under my dash to try this fix, and i carnt seem to find the two red wires anywhere going from my ignition barrel???

I've got as followed going from my ignition barrel

Black and brown - black connector - blue and brown, The blue wire seems to be thiner after the connector

Black and brown - gray connector - brown and white

Can anyone tell me if its any of these? or why i can't find the two red wires coming from the ignition barrel?

Any help would be very greatful,

Kind Regards.

JLS09x

21st April 2010, 18:19

u need to replace a fuse. mine went today i replaced the 10V fuse with a 25V and it works :D yaay !

reevesy_vtr

22nd April 2010, 20:58

if a fuse blows it has blown for a reason. You should NEVER replace it with a bigger fuse because you could then melt the wire of cause lots of bamage.

boarer2004

22nd April 2010, 21:07

u need to replace a fuse. mine went today i replaced the 10V fuse with a 25V and it works :D yaay !

silly silly boy :n:

whitevanmen

23rd May 2010, 20:57

works for everyone thats used it before.

Best pic i can find:
http://images19.fotki.com/v359/photos/2/291271/1529301/ignfix-vi.jpg

Worked for me too :y:

boarer2004

23rd May 2010, 22:54

See my thread for the better visual and IMO more professional way looks neater

DanViner

23rd May 2010, 23:11

good guide

Mallyauto86

25th May 2010, 17:14

ok i've had this problem recently not done anything about it though cuz i dont really need any of the 3 at the moment.

But today my Orange Electric light or ECU light i dunno its the one on the right that normally goes off.

is this cause of this problem or have i got another problem ?

btw car is normal no problems what so ever...

phil0203

28th May 2010, 12:01

Hey guy's
i have a vtr 98 reg
and the powersteering and blowers and all this dosnt work :wall:
wev tryed 3 diffrent powersteering pumps and the relay has been changed aswell so am getting pretty despriate :(
now av been reading about this cable thing
what dose it actully do and whats the ods of it actully working coz am not really botherd about blowers or anything
i just really want the powersteering working

so any help or opinions would be much apreciated thanks

Saxo-Guy

13th June 2010, 12:50

So by doing this is this giving power to the pas pump and heater blower all the time ? any help would be great. thanks

boarer2004

13th June 2010, 14:34

So by doing this is this giving power to the pas pump and heater blower all the time ? any help would be great. thanks

It's a bypass from the barrel which is now faulty this why you have got these 3 not working and by bypassing the barrel the current can complete it's circuit

Matt1-vts

13th June 2010, 16:21

by doing it this way, which type of wire will i need to join the brown ones 2geva

Saxo-Guy

13th June 2010, 17:22

It's a bypass from the barrel which is now faulty this why you have got these 3 not working and by bypassing the barrel the current can complete it's circuit

yea but mine stays on all the timethe ignition is on so i am guessing the switch inside the ignition is stuck on. So say if i join the wires will they just come on when the engine is started ? thanks

bolders242

20th June 2010, 10:42

I've just removed my steering column cover and found that i have the 2 red wires coming down from the ignition but the 2 brown wires are no where to be seen, does anyone know where they would have been moved to if someone else had tried the modification, it's really f-ing irritating cos all 3 aren't working.

Saxo-Guy

6th July 2010, 00:09

yeah but what im asking is will the pas and heater blower now work when the ignition is turnt on and not started ? thanks

KB77

1st August 2010, 16:38

Just been having alook at this post and this problem has just appeared on my car today checked all the fuses and all ok ,by linking out the barrel what else are you doing .

KB77

3rd August 2010, 12:21

Before doing this check it not your alternator as I got AA out to my saxo as power steering, blowers and back demister not working.They noticed that the battery light stays on when you start the engine up and the 3 things dont work but as soon as you rev the engine a bit the battery light goes off and all 3 work again.He said that the alternator is not charging on tick over. Still ok to drive but will get worse so new alternator needed at a later date I think.

reece_vtr_92

29th September 2010, 22:48

my heaters dont work and it is fffrrreeezzziiiinnn any 1 knw how to fix?????? (help)

liamsaxo91

6th October 2010, 17:36

Ive just had these three problems, and my battery light had come on too, is this normal?

This might also sound stupid, but do you do this bypass thing with the engine running or not?

burgerfeet

6th October 2010, 18:09

Any heavy electrical loads can only be used once the alternator is charging. You could bypass these circuits but if you are not charging you will soon drain the battery and the car will not run. Eventually you will not be able to start the car anyway if the alternator is not charging the battery.

Fix....replace the alternator once you are sure it is that at fault.

boarer2004

21st October 2010, 19:59

my heaters dont work and it is fffrrreeezzziiiinnn any 1 knw how to fix?????? (help)

read

the first post

chris47

24th October 2010, 12:06

Hi, I have a citroen saxo 1.5 diesel and today the power steering just packed up.
I have tried the modification and this has not worked.

The heater blower and rear demist work fine.

I have checked fuses and all seem fine. Where exactly is the relay?
Car has been fine until now.

Before I did the modification I unplugged the wires and just inserted a link wire just to try it and I swear it seemed that the steering was lighter, so I made a good strong wire link with correct terminals and now this does not work.

Any ideas where the relay is? and can anybody suggest anything else please.

marra87

25th October 2010, 15:09

hi i have a problem with my 1997 vts the powered steering cuts out when i turn the heater fan on i need help.:wall:

dsh1979

26th October 2010, 18:12

Hi,

really sorry to ask as i know it will have been asked a million times already. just i dont want to go trawling through 15 pages looking for the answer,

My battery died earlier, changed it and had the problem of all 3 not working. i did the fix (which i know works in most cases as i had to do it on my older saxo and it worked then) but after trying the fix i still have no joy, the battery light is on all the time, do you think its the alternator that needs replacing?

adamskiTNR

26th October 2010, 18:47

fuses...............

dsh1979

26th October 2010, 19:19

Sorry forgot to mention, checked all the fuses.

superCREG

14th November 2010, 12:10

:sweetheart::hug:you are a life saver:hug::sweetheart:

outrage_uk

15th November 2010, 14:43

The first thing you need when messing with any electrics is a multi meter. Start the car, test voltage, If its 11-12v then the alternator can't be working, if it is 13-14v then the alternator is working and your problem is else where.

Liam88

21st November 2010, 22:47

right my power steering doesnt work and my heaters only work on the top level but my rear window de mister still works does anybody know what my problem is and could help plz?

JollyVTS

1st December 2010, 17:30

i have looked through this whole thread and there are only a couple of people who have my problem !!
i have a 97 VTS

the wire coming from the ignition is just hanging down and the ones you guys say to crimp are no where in sight ??
i cant see them anywheree !!!!!!

does anybody no where they trace from or what i need to do!>?!?!

all help appreciated :)

pitch91

1st December 2010, 22:08

I have just started experiencing the problem with the PAS and heaters but havent noticed the rear demisters but its only intermitant. do u think this is the same problem?

jsaxo1

2nd December 2010, 21:34

hi what great post, my saxo heater sytem wont work on any of the settings, i bought it like it it also comes with race airfilter and thought that that might be why mines not working, but im going to try your way first as in your picture and was wondering what size spade connectors did you use ;-)

Crazeh

3rd December 2010, 12:56

hey guys kinda have a similar prob but i have a 2001 forte 1.1 i dont have power steering tho but my blowers and rear screen stopped working the other day bloody typical in this weather but the matrix seems to be ok when driving i can feel heat from the vents and the screen starts to demist but no blowers or heating when not moving very annoying does anyone think this method will solve my prob also my fuse blows when i switch my rear fogs on but i suspect this might just be a bulb. thanks guys.

peace out :y:

marra87

3rd December 2010, 22:32

Napuis

8th December 2010, 09:52

yup this is the problem for me.

bit confused where to start, there are a few diagnoses on here!!

Napuis

8th December 2010, 09:54

P.S. the lack of power steering is a little dangerous on this ice too haha, and the lack of heaters = FUCKING COLD

JollyVTS

8th December 2010, 18:04

mine is the same not sure where to look

aanyybodyy help ?

Napuis

9th December 2010, 10:03

for some reason got in the car to go home from work last night and all three were in fine working order, fuckin strange if you ask me!

Nazrahel

12th December 2010, 19:44

I signed up, just so that i could reply to this thread :D

I have absolutely no experience with cars, i don't even have a license, I've never owned a car, nor have i ever tried to repair one before. Yet this thread managed to guide me well enough to fix my mom's car (helping her save the 300$ fix at the insanely expensive mechanics here in Denmark)

This was enough to save a hell of a hassle with the coldfront over scandinavia this winter. (and it saved enough money for us to have a decent christmas after all!)

Can't thank you enough!!

~ Nazrahel

Crazeh

17th December 2010, 21:59

Thanks guys disconnected the plug crimped some wire on taped it up turned they key and yay :D all working you lot are life savers thanks alot peeps so annoying and only a 2 min fix :D :hug:

Sorchiton

19th December 2010, 20:31

Hey all, I got to page 6 of 15 and didnt see my problem.

Got an Eastcoast 1.1i.
Just my demisters don't work, is it just a standard fuse? or a relay? and how do you check if a realy switch is knackerd? Blackening of the contacts??
Is a clicking of a relay normal? e.g. when my wipers are on i hear a click before and after they do their cycle.just wondered if its a sign that its on its way out. (Possibly a really silly question to ask as i understand its a switch, kind of) :geek:

Loads of questions but any help would be ace,

vefferdk

22nd December 2010, 20:38

Thanks dude! Worked right away! Merry christmas

jamie665

31st December 2010, 11:17

Thanks mate worked a treat:y: Happy New Year

Davidw

1st January 2011, 21:18

Hey guys.

similar issue here, just wondering what gauge wire did other use ? the stock wiring seems pretty heavy, but i'm not to pushed on snipping the two red cables in order to loop them ..

dave..

seiko1980

5th January 2011, 17:29

HI,
My problem is that it is only the fan that does´t work. i have take a look at the fuses and none of the are broken. so i toke a multimeter and put them into the cable back of the 3 ways switch in the front and it shows 12v, then i toke a cable and wired 2 of cables together in the stick with out the switch. and nothing is working. so is it correct that it is my fan there are broken, and if it is how do i get in to that ???? because im thinking when im getting 12v through the switch it is not the wiring or fuse there should be the problem correct ???????????????

Wakeford

6th January 2011, 20:12

Hi,

i have done the thing to the wires and still no luck with any of them . . . any ideas?

Canno86

18th January 2011, 20:42

rear heater and PAS nt working, by joing the brown wires would these problems be solved?

merc2546

20th January 2011, 19:41

thanks for the help mate

sionybot

21st January 2011, 21:14

great guide mate thanks alot (Y)

cjinfrance

22nd January 2011, 18:08

I have just aquired a 1996 VSX Saxo this week with the above problem. Its been stationary so I am not sure about the power steering.

Following your thread , I have exposed the three connectors coming from the ignition barrel but the brown one has 2 thick red wires coming from the barrel side with only one thick pink one one the other side of the connector.
I've looked into the connector on the pink wire side and there is no second electrical lug present. In other words only one of the red wire is connected to the pink wire. The second red wire has no outlet

Everthing else in the vehicle is working with the connector open (apart from the fan and HRW) and and a lamp test shows a current flowing from the pink wire.

Appreciate any help

Also does anybody know which relays do what ?

cjinfrance

26th January 2011, 17:29

URGENT HELP

On my 1996 VSX (HRW and blower not working) I don't have two brown wires from the brown connector and two reds on the other side.. I have just one orange on one side and two reds on the other . Both the reds are dead and the orange shows a current when the vehicle is running.

BiscuitVTR

5th February 2011, 16:05

my heaters and rear heater doesnt work does this fix apply to that also i have checked the fuse and that seems to be fine

saxorino

5th February 2011, 18:25

my heaters and rear heater doesnt work does this fix apply to that also i have checked the fuse and that seems to be fine

Yes it does iv'e done it to mine and worked fine ever since

Aaron1992

8th February 2011, 19:51

Right I have done this mod, checked fuses and changed battery and still nt working. So would it be the alternator or a relay?

SidnySaxo

8th February 2011, 20:03

Altenater for defs mate...

SidnySaxo

8th February 2011, 20:04

Make sure an un-do the mod when you get the altenater changed,if not it will ruine the new alt,Trust me i learnt from experience ha

Aaron1992

8th February 2011, 20:07

Right oh cheers

Big-Ginge-69

10th February 2011, 18:35

if my rear demister works will this still work????

g12ffo

13th February 2011, 16:48

g12ffo

13th February 2011, 16:53

the hammer trick worked!!!

were abouts did u hit it ????

g12ffo

13th February 2011, 16:58

ok ok well i only have lost power sterring this is the picture i have please get back to me asap
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af121/g12ff0/IMG00010-20110213-1517.jpg

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af121/g12ff0/IMG00009-20110213-1517.jpg
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af121/g12ff0/IMG00008-20110213-1423.jpg

also the brown one does go to any wires :??

everything else works thou i rely dont understand how it could go, i put a new altnotor on it was workin a rite treat then some girl drove my car staled it then that was it, the battery aint holding charge ?

so the problems are bateery not holdin charger
no power sterrin but heaters and demissed workin find.
all fuse are good
all relys are good

so wat casn it be ???????

merc2546

9th March 2011, 20:27

this work for mk1s

goose1

12th March 2011, 09:15

alright folks, am in same boat here, have 1.1 desire y reg, hrw, blowers and pas are bolloxed, tred the fix but unfortunately dosent work, battery light on too, checked fuses wiring etc to no joy, im asssumin its the alternator, but if any help or know of cheap second hand one it would be appreciated thankyou steve

0rang3peel

13th March 2011, 15:09

Funnily enough this randomly happened to me this morning before work, I'm going to investigate tomorrow as I have a day off but I can't stand bloody electrics.

My rear demister is fine & my heaters are fine, the battery light has been lighting up a litle bit lately so I'm guessing it could be the alternator.

0rang3peel

14th March 2011, 13:28

Just to bump this up, cracking thread this.

my rear demister & heaters were actually dead aswel, don't think I checked them before I just assumed as I thought they were blowing on the way to work.

I found the brown connection block & as a test I rounded the circuit off with a 10p piece, started the car and boom PAS/heaters & demister all back on, going to go down maplins shortly to get some wire/terminals to do it properly.

Thanks rep!

rob_s

5th April 2011, 21:00

Got this problem on a 98 iv got

But as a few have said the 3rd set (brown plug) from ignition barrel is just taped up on the loom (looks as though it's factory as it's proper sticky foam tape been used on it

Anyone help?

Cheers

asquith_lufc

5th May 2011, 14:35

Hey, my power steering has gone on my saxo vtr (2000x Reg) but my heaters and blowers are still working, i changed the pump today but it still doesnt work....

Anyone got any ideas?!?!

Also myu radiator fan is broken as when its connected it is constantly on, even when teh ignition is off, so i have to disconnect it when i stop and reconnect when i use my car.

Cheers

FuroPK

17th July 2011, 15:58

I have just tried this and it didn't work :( the fuse is fine the fan belt is fine but I connect the two wires (properly) and nothing still no PAS rear de-mister or heater.... Any ideas??

G51_KAG

3rd August 2011, 20:52

hi guys newbie here as in title got a 98 vts pas cut out on me one day changed the pump still none found a bare wire sorted that worked for an hour then dead again. this time it had only blown the 80 amp fuse so popped in a new one. now everytime i switch on the ignition it pops the 80amp fuse any ideas? heaters work on all settings but demister is not working any help would be much appreciated
cheers.
karl.

azzer1987

10th August 2011, 10:32

Hi all im new to this website right what seems to be prob for me is my blowers work but demister and pas dnt but pas comes and goes on random by switching ignition on and off once its on its fine i checked relay seems to be fine brand new battery before. so i only have 2 out 3 things wrong. any ideas will be much greatfull thanks :P:)

maxx11

21st August 2011, 13:24

iv checked and this repair has already been done by a previous owner iv checked all the fuses but my heating and heated rear windscreen is still not working any other suggestions?
thanks.

azzer1987

22nd August 2011, 00:24

well if heater just aint blowing warm air out when on hot then radiator needs bleeding proper . rear demister no idea as mine dont seem to work and all fuses fine this only prob i gt left with mine rear demister

maxx11

22nd August 2011, 09:40

It's not only warm air it's not blowing at all......

tigger27

17th October 2011, 19:54

thankyou for the quick response

keeps21

7th November 2011, 15:48

davross1986

8th November 2011, 11:18

Hi all,

As posted on the recent power steering problem post, I have the same problem as azzer1987. Rear De-mister hasn't worked for ages but im not bothered about that. My power steering doesn't work when the car/engine bay is cold. For example, its worked all summer no problem but last winter and this one now its only working when car as been ticking over or driven then left ticking over for a while and engine bay is warm.

Im an aircraft engineer by trade so im pretty good at fault finding but can't think what it could be. At first thought it could possibly be water contamination in the fluid then freezing blocking the pump, but its not been that cold (im gonna change the fluid anyway).

I changed the relay last year and it didn't solve it. I can't be a mechanical fault because it wouldn't be intermittent, it would be fu*ked all the time. The only other thing I can think of is it could the cold affect the electrical resistance in the circuit via a bare wire somewhere???

Any ideas or experience of this???

Dave

davross1986

8th November 2011, 11:21

Anyone got a full wiring diagram of this circuit they can scan and post on here??

Need to see which wire is the exciter for the relay.

Dave

keeps21

10th November 2011, 12:25

Another happy customer. Did this mod yesterday and everything's back to normal.

Took it round the garage told him that the PAS, heaters and demister weren't working - he said he used to work for Citroen and the easiest thing to do is this mod.

Wanted £50 to do it like, so I did it myself.

Holmesee9

16th November 2011, 13:06

I cut the wires and joined them together and put a fuse in, any idea what size fuse should be used? HELP!

sam_16v

16th November 2011, 13:12

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63144&highlight=fuse+diagrams

punkrokka

25th December 2011, 14:54

Works a treat......Did this mod on an S Reg Scandal..Blowers & Rear Screen all ok

rara21

22nd January 2012, 21:47

since oct 2011 my power steering has been working off and on,sometimes it doesnt work then kicks in when ive been driving for a while or doesnt work at all,or can work straight away.we saw the pic and went to do what it said but my car doesnt have two red wires or two brown wires it has one red and one red/white coming from the ignition and then a brown with a white or a brown with a blue/white so we werent sure which one to disconnect please help i want to try this before buying a new pump @ £219!!!!

boarer2004

24th January 2012, 21:30

timbutjack

24th January 2012, 21:39

hi

i had this problem come up recently, power steering, heater blower and rear screen demister..

i proceeded to carry out this mod and the red wires underneath the dash are already loose, with the brown wires no where to be seen..

i need to know where the brown wires initially trace back to? where do they start out?

thanks in advance!

boarer2004

24th January 2012, 23:15

ive done one in detail if anyone needs extra help worth a read all done like a pro by myself :P

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276647 :P

Ginger_mat

28th January 2012, 23:38

Hi Guys!

Had my Saxo since July last year and have had this problem on and off since driving it, before now replacing the fuse has always solved the problem. However Thursday it happened again so as per usual I replaced the fuse, this time the new fuse just popped straight away. Along with the other three I tried after this, including a 30 and a 40 amp fuse. So the weekend me and my brother (mechanic for 15 years) did this mod, and once again the fuse just popped. We checked the feed from the barrel and all seems fine, we disconnected the rear screen heater and the power steering seperatley and still no luck.

So anyone got any other idea's? We where thinking maybe a burnt out wire shorting it out but could do with a wiring diagram to trace where the wires go, if anyone could help us out with that too, that would be great.

Cheers Mat!

boarer2004

1st February 2012, 22:33

Gritz

10th February 2012, 10:52

just done this on my saxo , thanks for the guide really easy to do !!!!!!!!! thanks again

sizzler

11th February 2012, 07:11

Hi, my PAS, heater blowers and rear de-mist have stopped working, I have checked all the fusses and tried to connected the wires as shown in the thread but unfortunately no joy, can anyone please help????? thanks Sizzler

boarer2004

11th February 2012, 11:16

Loobylu88

19th March 2012, 15:25

My PAS, heater blower and rear demister all stopped working, fuses are ok. Do I have to do this bypass thing - and how do i do it? Also will it pass the MOT like that? cheers!

leej

4th April 2012, 19:10

so if only 2 dont work what could be the problem?

SJHill399

23rd April 2012, 16:34

Hi all, my power steering was temperamental and my battery was being drained. a new alternator has been fitted by a mechanic but not fixed the problem. i now have no power steering and my heater fan only works on the 3rd setting i have not checked the rear heated window as car is dead with this fix it?

Cheers

Scooby-Doo

26th April 2012, 22:05

Just as an update;

I did this mod on my VTR today after visiting Maplin for the components.

They sell a 30A wire for £1.79 per metre (minimum purchase 1m) and the necessary spade connectors in a pack of 10 for £1.89.

Gives at least 5 chances of getting it right for under £4.

Thanks for the write up. :y:

Gammy

13th May 2012, 11:15

My rear demister is not working, same as my power steering but heaters are fine. Any help please?

ryan_g86

10th August 2012, 12:06

Right i think i might be having this problem now also? ive changed the pump and every time i now turn the ignition on it blows the fuse inside the car that controls the pas, heater and de-mister. Is this what happens if the barrel is faulty or would this be down to another issue. The car still works fine but just cant seem to get the above three items to work. Help would be awesome.

Scooby-Doo

10th August 2012, 12:16

It won't hurt anything by doing this mod, so give it a go.

I think it'll fix your problem.

brettvtr

25th October 2012, 17:12

Hi, I have looked through a lot of pages on this in the last few days,I'll start with power steering not working,heaters and rear demist also not working,I tried the MOD but still nothing,swapped the relay,still nothing,changed the pump,still nothing,I don't have the battery light staying on so i'm hoping that rules out the alternator,Can anyone please tell me what else it could be? never had any bother with the older saxo's but this 03 plate VTR is starting to do my nut in,Thanks in advance

brettvtr

25th October 2012, 21:10

After a lot more looking on the web I keep coming back to this MOD, so in the morning al have another go straight from the brown wires because there is an alarm system wired into the red wires and i'm hoping that after that it should be fixed

ThermalAudio

26th October 2012, 17:35

hi everyone, first post for me (although i've been using this place for all kinds of help for about a year!)

my gf called out the RAC for this pas, blower, demister problem combo and the guy did the same mod as the beginning of the thread and it worked a treat.

as it was the middle of the day, my gf didnt think to test everything out (like lights).... when i got home i found that the dashboard doesn't illuminate when you put the headlights on. the panel lights (battery, handbrake etc) light up, but i cant see how fast i'm driving in the dark! the clock also had the wrong time on it. first thing i checked were fuses, they are all fine.

i have read before that the clock and the dash lighting are connected. given that this happened after the RAC chap did the mod that this thread is based on, could anyone give me any pointers on what to look for - dislodged cables etc.
any help greatly appreciated. i am a bit of a novice though so be gentle :)

thesaint999

27th October 2012, 11:51

hello everyone, first time post, tried this mod and unplugged the battery while I did it, now the car wont start, my key light on the dash board is flashing, Im pressuming this is the immobiliser, I have no key pad or buttons on the key, just a normal key, any ideas as to what I have done , Im in the dog house with her indoors, tried the removed battery for an hour trick.

Bedford126

27th October 2012, 12:06

thesaint999

27th October 2012, 14:42

undone everything and will now start but still have no fan and demister any ideas ?

Bedford126

27th October 2012, 14:54

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409203

Follow this guide then try the heater fix.

This will leave you with no immobiliser on your car though so its up to you if you want to take the risk.

thesaint999

27th October 2012, 20:50

only problem was when i did the fix and immobolised the car the fan and the demister still didnt work ???????:panic:

ngtman

6th December 2012, 17:05

I have this problem with PAS and blower, haven't checked the rear demister yet. My battery light is also showing. Does this mean more than the remedy shown?

sezziej

21st December 2012, 13:23

Hi
I put a thread on here about not having any PAS then read through further on here and have now found out like many others that I have no heater and no rear demister. We have checked and it looks like one of the red wires from the barrel is broken inside? there doesnt seem to be much room to get to it?
Any ideas please as we are sure this is the problem but if we can fix it ourselves then that would be great.
Thank you

gcole46810

29th December 2012, 11:19

Can anyone tell me where this wire goes to?

Not had my new phase 1 vts long and these 3 stopped working. I found this post and thought brilliant this looks simple

However upon looking I found the red wires from the ignition straight away but they were already disconnected and the other wire is no where to be seen...

Thinking perhaps it's been done already by a previous owner but before this point somewhere and theyve torn the rest of the wire out? Or hid it away somewherw

Obviously at the moment x im quite lost without blowers :(

Thanks in advance

roamer247

3rd January 2013, 10:53

hi there, I'm a newbie on here, and would like some help, where is the relay located for the power steering ?

roamer247

3rd January 2013, 10:59

try fitting new thermostatic switch possibly mounted in end of radiator! shouldn't cost too much??

Ryanoo

6th January 2013, 21:03

I was skeptical about this... But I thought fuck it.

You don't need to disconnect the battery to do this. I cut the wires and touched them and didn't die or get shocked, anything for a cheap buzz these days.. ;)

Personally I doubt it drains your battery since the wires do not have a permanent live feed.

Initially when I completed the bodge it didn't work, so I cried a little. But saw a 25A fuse next to me... Shoved that in and tried again.. Worked a treat!!

Thanks for this mate.

elliotthorwood

6th January 2013, 21:08

My 3 died yesterday checked the 25 amp fuse and it wasn't blown so tried this mod was so sure it was gonna work got me hopes up a little flicked engine on but it didn't work :-(

Has anyone else got any suggestions for anything else I can try because I'm stuck and my car feels like igloo tank to drive and looks like I've been dogging!

Any suggestions and I would be very grateful :-)

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Joewheeler_Saxo

24th January 2013, 23:38

My PAS, heaters and heated rear window keep cutting in and out. Want to try this MOD but do you join the two brown wires away from the plug or on the plug?

boarer2004

25th January 2013, 00:12

My PAS, heaters and heated rear window keep cutting in and out. Want to try this MOD but do you join the two brown wires away from the plug or on the plug?

Follow my guide a lot easier and a better professional job. http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3930707

Foxy_mwy

7th February 2013, 16:07

Can anyone do this "bodge" inbthe nort west

Foxy_mwy

7th February 2013, 16:07

In the*

michael87

28th February 2013, 11:48

Follow my guide a lot easier and a better professional job. http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3930707

The OP says cut the two brown wires but in your guide you cut the red ones:panic:

boarer2004

28th February 2013, 14:00

The OP says cut the two brown wires but in your guide you cut the red ones:panic:

Mines correct as mines the proper way rather then removing the block connecter which give is a better finish

michael87

28th February 2013, 14:10

Mines correct as mines the proper way rather then removing the block connecter which give is a better finish

Ok that will do me just abit confused there lol cheers gonna go and do it now :y:

michael87

28th February 2013, 15:03

ok so i tried that and still no power steering or any heaters working another ideas ?

boarer2004

28th February 2013, 15:39

ok so i tried that and still no power steering or any heaters working another ideas ?

Have you checked the fuse before you done all this

boarer2004

28th February 2013, 15:40

Also take a picture of what you have done

michael87

28th February 2013, 15:45

Have you checked the fuse before you done all this

Yeah first I done even changed the fuse to be on the safe side its driving me nuts :wall:

michael87

1st March 2013, 16:14

i used a connector box thing lol its in the garage now hopefulli get it sorted...

michael87

10th March 2013, 12:28

Replaced alternator and heater is working again but still no power steering the pump was working when I put a new battery in the car with the dodgy alternator only worked for a few days but nothing now with the new alternator..

boarer2004

10th March 2013, 15:56

Give the power steering pumps a few hits with a hammer ( not a joke true fix) <<< just trust me car has to be running tho

boarer2004

10th March 2013, 15:57

Also helps if someone is turning steering wheel at the same time while you hit it from under the car

michael87

10th March 2013, 21:08

cheers mate. il give it ago tonight after work..

michael87

15th March 2013, 09:30

just an update found the problem the plug of the power steering pump wasnt clipped in to the other plug so had to cable tie both plugs together and all working fine now...

a_cole93

17th March 2013, 21:05

my heaters dont work, and my demister doesnt work either.. but i took panals off to find that the 2red wires coming from the ignition are already unplugged and i cant find the wires to plug them into... any ideas??

boarer2004

18th March 2013, 08:08

Best way is to take a few pictures then post up

gazzabmx

27th March 2013, 14:35

Done this fix once and its happened again any clues guys

boarer2004

27th March 2013, 15:03

Fuse ,burnt out wire depends if you do it my way or

gazzabmx

27th March 2013, 15:35

Its not fuse will try wiring again but it shud be ok as its in a block

gazzabmx

28th March 2013, 09:43

Still cant find out why its not working guys

gazzabmx

29th March 2013, 09:13

Any help????

boarer2004

29th March 2013, 10:02

If all 3 have gone again and it's not a fuse then it's something connected to the wiring that you done the fault it's self is the ignition barrel and by doing this fix it bypasses the ignition barrel so you have two options new barrel and keys all around or redo the fix with all new wire

boarer2004

29th March 2013, 10:03

Also you can try and turn the car on with heaters on and wiggle the key

gazzabmx

8th April 2013, 10:20

Can you bypass the the fuse box as no power getting to said fuse and is there a relay also

TheAcidTestSaxo

9th April 2013, 18:26

Hey all. First time asker. Long time reader.

My PAS pump isnt working. Its a real pain when reversing. My heats and rear window demister works fine. I'm checked the fluid and it looks like its all there. But thats as black as the ace of spades. I'm wondering if you guys know whats up and if its the relay then where abouts is it. Cheers

garyyj93

28th February 2014, 16:26

I had the same problem yesterday on my vtr, no power steering no rear demister and no blower fan, checked fuses they were all fine and just did what the first post said to do and it worked straight away thank you!

vass177

3rd March 2014, 19:44

just bought a 2001 vtr and had this problem also did the fix on first post and worked a treat

thumbs up OP

vass177

5th March 2014, 18:39

Ok so it was working for me but now it's not .... Keeps blowing fuse before I even get it in the fuse box any other ideas

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stevo67

5th March 2014, 18:50

Possibly a fault with your ignition switch mate.

vass177

5th March 2014, 22:49

but due to this fix theres nothing connected to the ignition switch ???

vass177

11th March 2014, 19:19

ok so I swapped out the ignition switch but not barrel with a brand new one but the problem still persists so what else could I look for ??

aldred309uk

11th March 2014, 20:43

Is your battery light on?

vass177

12th March 2014, 15:13

nope battery light goes out as soon as I start the car ?? I went to my old workplace today which is a citroen main dealer and spoke to one of the techs and he reckons I have a short in the circuit somewhere so told me to do a continuity test of the 3 affected items.

I shall update this evening on the result of this

watson123

11th April 2014, 08:11

I did this mod but it didn't work? My battery light is also on my dash any ideas? And now my immobiliser is flashing any ideas I've tried loads to do with it like leave the battery off for 5 mins but not a thing.. Do you think It may have stripped my code? And if so how do I get it back? Thanks

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chesternutz

12th May 2014, 22:31

Is page 1 what you meant Jigsaw2895? As this is where ALL my issues lie atm.

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chesternutz

13th May 2014, 08:17

Ok if all three of the above have stopped working this is what you do.

Remove the steering column cover (held on by 2 torx) and under the steering column is a light brown plastic connector with 2 red wires going in the right side and 2 brown wires coming out the left side.

Cut the 2 brown wires and join them together. Make sure you solder the wires or use a proper crimp connector and make sure u use insulation tape to cover it. and tape up the 2 lose ends of the brown wires.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/clairenam/P2220007.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v359/photos/2/291271/1529301/ignfix-vi.jpg

My battery light came on and a buzz noise inside car when driving in heavy rain at weekend. Had rear demist on, wipers on high and blower on 3 (as 1 and 2 settibgs dont work, why??) on windscreen as misting up. Prob drain on battery all 3 going so pulled over. Put in park n handbrake(auto mk1 1999) and prob fixed. Didnt turn engine off or anything n been fine since.

Would the above issue be tge same and methods offered fix it ie blower will work on 1 n 2 n demist button b brighter etc???

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kavics

18th September 2014, 18:53

hello to all,

i have the following problem with my saxo: when i'm starting the car, the pas, heater fan , and rear demister doesn't work, but after 1-10 Minutes they work as normal, and dont stop anymore.
I've tried this repair idea, doesn't work. I've changed the heater fan resistor, but the problem is the same...

anyone an idea?
can i try to give +12V directly to the connector of the heater and pas, to keep out the ignition swich problem?

thanks a lot!

trikenut

30th December 2014, 16:04

f2 on under bonnet fuse 30amp- or f2 dash fuse 4th fuse in from the top left 25amp

trikenut

30th December 2014, 16:07

ok im gonna look at the fuses now but theres a fuse box in the engine bay and a fuse box in the dash board..does anyone which fuse box its in and which fuse it is!?

ive looked threw my hand book and it doesnt say power steering on any of them....? smileys/smiley5.gif

f2 under bonnet 2nd one down from left 30amp or f2 under dash 4th in from top left 25amp

Calhal

6th January 2015, 21:48

Hi folks,
I've been through this entire thread hoping to find my problem, but haven't, any suggestions welcome because I'm totally stuck.

My daughter has a 2003 1.5D and after driving about 10 miles to work the other day, the power steering pump wouldnt go off, even with the engine. It drained the battery eventually.
Heater fan working on I and II but not on III, HRW is OK. Thought it might be a faulty relay, so changed that but still the same issue. As soon as I connect the battery, the power steering pump starts.
Been under it tonight and the wires from the power steering pump look OK, is it worth checking the alternator? The motor starts fine once the battery has a bit of juice in it but the steering pump knocks everything out with a bit of load. No random lights on in the dash or anything.
Cant see it being a fuse with the HRW and heater fan working. Somebody said take out all the fuses and reset the ECU, but surely the battery being disconnected for a while would have the same affect.
Totally stuck and any help appreciated.
CalH

SshitroenShackso

3rd June 2015, 15:21

I bought a 2002 saxo 1.1 Desire lastnight, The owner told me that he had replaced the PAS pump and all it needed was a relay. I took the old relay out and noticed that the plastic around one of the spades was slightly melted. The owner said he was told to fit a new relay BEFORE fitting the PAS pump (for whatever reason I do not know) Anyway I went to a breakers and bought 4 relays as they were only £1 each and didn't like the idea of having to travel back and forth all day if I only bought one. I tried one of the relays in the breakers yard and the PAS seemed to work for about 8 seconds then just stopped.

The heater always works fine as does the rear demister.

I've checked the fuses and I even tried the "fix". I also smacked the pump itself with a hammer, but nothing. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

-=Wayne=-

Maskery

11th February 2016, 15:04

I've got no power to the actual heater fuse does anyone have any ideas about that one?

Maskery

11th February 2016, 16:45

I have a connector that loose it's a grey connector with a green red and two grey wires but I can't fine the other side it's coming from the dash as far right as you can go but I don't know where to look for the other side does anyone know where I should be looking thanks.

Maskery

11th February 2016, 17:23

Turns out is the battery fuse box connector and it connects to the ignition barrel according to my wiring diagram but I can't see how it connects to the ignition barrel. It can't connect directly as the connectors are different anyone know how it connects?

Nugger89

21st June 2016, 11:16

Hey guys, new to this but if have tried this method, disconnected, cut and joined two brown wires and I have my fan heater working but still no power steering, and now the battery light is staying on even when key is out of ignition, someone please help :)

Johnny206turbo

29th June 2016, 19:46

Finally sorted mine by changing a burnt out orange coloured relay under the passenger,side footwell behind the fuse box. Worth a look.

AngloSaxo

4th January 2018, 02:26

Before cutting wires or buying a new ignition barrel, check that the engine is running first. The heated rear window and heater fan are disabled until the engine is running (activated by the alternator) so that you aren't drawing loads of current when starting the engine :detective:

Manu

4th January 2018, 06:55

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Before cutting wires or buying a new ignition barrel, check that the engine is running first. The heated rear window and heater fan are disabled until the engine is running (activated by the alternator) so that you aren't drawing loads of current when starting the engine :detective:

Fuck me the place is like a ghost town sometimes.

Lewlewmagewgew

16th January 2018, 12:12

Hi does anyone have the original picture as it will not let me see it. Thanks

Gabbastard

16th January 2018, 16:24

Hi does anyone have the original picture as it will not let me see it. Thanks

No need for the pic really, look at the wires coming out your ignition barrel and youll see the two browns.

MartinObviously

16th January 2018, 19:00

Wow some amount of shite in this thread. No wonder it's been in the depths for so long.

Lewlewmagewgew

17th January 2018, 11:34

No need for the pic really, look at the wires coming out your ignition barrel and youll see the two browns.

Yeah theres only one brown wire where the brown connector is another is white. Guessing its the same cables but doesn't seem to have had an affect

gixxer

20th February 2019, 15:13

hi i own a saxo vts 2001 and 2 days ago heater started working by itself eveytime i run the engine( i believe in maximum position III or IV)PAS is working and i believe rear demister also does.i have battery and brake lights on, all the time .Dont know if it affects something.Can i use this mod ,or it is advised for someone who has all 3 problems together(pas ,heater and demister) .Sorry for my English ,I m a Greek man.i m trying to sort this out .

TheRod

13th July 2023, 20:28

No need to cut wires, I did this mod and no difference fault still re appeared. I obtained a non transponder ign lock and switch barrel from e bay as an aftermarket aftermarket purchase. Split the lmechanical lock part from the plastic switch part which has all the wiring going into it. This can be separated by the external screw on the metal body. You will need a security screwdriver set for this. Remove the existing lock barell and switch on the car .take to bench and do the same split the mechanical from the switch. Put aside the switch part. Fit the new switch from the aftermarket to your existing mechanical lock barrel , reassemble into the steering column. I found replacing the cables the connectors were different colours but went with the cable wiring colours matching the existing harness. So far so good.You will need a security screw set to remove replace the small screw holding the ignition barrel in the car.