Not sure if this is the right section but oh well :)

[manta]

I'm thinking atm whether I should get like an 02-03 plate vtr or vts with lowish miles.

What's the handling like in each of these cars?

Would it be cheaper to buy and insure a VTR which I would have tuned to VTS+ speed?

Thanks

[Chico999]

It would cost a lot to get a vtr to vts speed

Handling is excellent when lowered on shocks

[manta]

cheers, but im only 18 n half i think the insurers would grease me down and bum me tbh if i went for a vts.

Is the handling in the VTR and VTS the same then?>

[Liam]

You're gonna get shafted on insurance regardless when it comes to a VTR or VTS. VTR will be cheaper, but expect to bend over.

[bald24]

VTR is group 7, VTS is 15 so there is a huge difference. Get a VTR as theres no chance youll get insured on a VTS at your age :)

[Pieface]

On a modified VTR at 18 I'm paying £1911 ;)

It's not cheap.

[manta]

On a modified VTR at 18 I'm paying £1911 ;)

It's not cheap.

Ive heard worse prices tbh have u tuned the engine by any chance?

[Pieface]

Ive heard worse prices tbh have u tuned the engine by any chance?

Nope, lowered, filters, external mods and Exhaust system.

[Ryan]

be warned a few companies refuse to insure people under 21 on a vtr now.

I had one at 18, tescos for example insured me for a couple of years then suddenly come renewal expected me to sell my car because 'sorry we wont cover under 21s anymore'

[D--R--E--W]

Vtr group 7

Vts group 14

Perhaps the speed of a vts at 18 may not be the answer anyways mate. If you aint been driving that long and dont have much experience then chances are there will be a written off vts in a month or two...

Nothing against you personally as I dont know how you drive, but the power can overwhelm you sometimes

[manta]

Nope, lowered, filters, external mods and Exhaust system.

So I take it its quicker than it was wen u had it? BTW what insurers are u with?

[Predator_R32]

Get a vtr mate, then in a few years put a vts engine in

[Ryan]

Get a vtr mate, then in a few years put a vts engine in

or just sell it and buy a vts :p

[Pieface]

So I take it its quicker than it was wen u had it? BTW what insurers are u with?

I bought it modded like that. Oh and aftermarket Alloys on top of that. With Elephant as they were cheapest.

[Predator_R32]

yeah but 9 times out of ten people get the vtr how they want it then dont want to sell it, so s engine in cures it all ;)

tbh all depends on how much hes got, i could of had a vts 2k cheaper at the time of buying mine and spent the 2k on insurance, so wish i did now

[manta]

Vtr group 7

Vts group 14

Perhaps the speed of a vts at 18 may not be the answer anyways mate. If you aint been driving that long and dont have much experience then chances are there will be a written off vts in a month or two...

Nothing against you personally as I dont know how you drive, but the power can overwhelm you sometimes

ye there "rapid" as a chav wud say, went out in my mate's 1 and it flew down the a38.

But in july i become 19 and will have 1 year ncb so shud i might just get a vtr .

[manta]

yeah but 9 times out of ten people get the vtr how they want it then dont want to sell it, so s engine in cures it all ;)

tbh all depends on how much hes got, i could of had a vts 2k cheaper at the time of buying mine and spent the 2k on insurance, so wish i did now

Is it worth putting a vts engine in? Cant u just fiddle with the standard 8v vtr 1?

I know almost nothing about mechanical shit so ya know lol

[jordan1]

I would just get a VTR mate, really fun to drive and alot cheaper imo

[manta]

what would u guys recommend to make a vtr quicker and smarter looking?

[D--R--E--W]

get a vtr and dress it up like a vts with the wheels and badges and 16v signs

[Pieface]

New Cams, Lowering, straight through exhaust system.


And the obligotory Induction kit, for in Slipz words, too add boooost.

[manta]

Not sure about the badges and 16v stuff, wheels defo :)

What about POWER!!!

[Predator_R32]

You can make a vtr as fast as a vts but its gonna cost, and for how much it costs you could get a vts engine in for cheaper in most cases

up to you though mate, the age your at id just go for a VTR, its what i did and tbh fuel economy rocks, i put about 20 in every 2 weeks, but i dont do much driving about now

in my opinion badging a vtr as a vts is not to be done, if you do badge it, badge it up as a 1.1 never badge it up as a faster car when its not

[manta]

New Cams, Lowering, straight through exhaust system.


And the obligotory Induction kit, for in Slipz words, too add boooost.

Slipz kills it lol too chavy "you get me fam" :s they think an induction kit is gunna boost it "bare"

When chavs watch that program there like "oh no blood a focking induction kit ennit put 1 on ma moms fiat stilo duz like one fiddy past da po po"

[manta]

You can make a vtr as fast as a vts but its gonna cost, and for how much it costs you could get a vts engine in for cheaper in most cases

up to you though mate, the age your at id just go for a VTR, its what i did and tbh fuel economy rocks, i put about 20 in every 2 weeks, but i dont do much driving about now

in my opinion badging a vtr as a vts is not to be done, if you do badge it, badge it up as a 1.1 never badge it up as a faster car when its not

K so u seem 2 be an expert lol what wud u do? Money almost no object "but not stupid money obv"

[Predator_R32]

im also a moderator, text talk just dont use mate, its my pet hate plus its the rules ;)

i just said go for a VTR, your 18 its simple, insurance will be well over 2k for you on a vts

you might want to get a few quotes on a vts first before you think of it, see what you can afford

[Ryan]

what would u guys recommend to make a vtr quicker and smarter looking?

standard the saxo exterior is pretty much as good as you can make it, most of the tat for styling is awful imo.

A decent set of wheels, decent suspension is all you really need to go and concentrate on enjoying it as a car.

Engine wise, theres no point imo camming 8vs etc... for the cost id save the money until i could insure a better car/16v engine.

Enjoy the 8v for what its worth but at the end of the day its not the fastest thing around.

[manta]

im also a moderator, text talk just dont use mate, its my pet hate plus its the rules ;)

i just said go for a VTR, your 18 its simple, insurance will be well over 2k for you on a vts

you might want to get a few quotes on a vts first before you think of it, see what you can afford

Pair Flay :) so if it was ure vtr then what little bits n pieces would you do to make that bit quicker?

[manta]

standard the saxo exterior is pretty much as good as you can make it, most of the tat for styling is awful imo.

A decent set of wheels, decent suspension is all you really need to go and concentrate on enjoying it as a car.

Engine wise, theres no point imo camming 8vs etc... for the cost id save the money until i could insure a better car/16v engine.

Enjoy the 8v for what its worth but at the end of the day its not the fastest thing around.

Decat? Induction kit :s anything tbh.

The plan is buy a good lowish mileage vtr and keep it for a very long time so its not like im gunna have it for a year and then chuck it.

so because im keeping it for a while i wanna make it better

[Predator_R32]

many things you can do but as ryan said the price of making the vtr a bit quicker isnt cheap, ive spent about 210 on green enclosed, about 240 on a supersprint manifold and 330 on a magnex full system, for all that cost i know now that i could of had a VTS engine for much cheaper and a vts standard is still faster than my vtr with the breathing mods

[manta]

many things you can do but as ryan said the price of making the vtr a bit quicker isnt cheap, ive spent about 210 on green enclosed, about 240 on a supersprint manifold and 330 on a magnex full system, for all that cost i know now that i could of had a VTS engine for much cheaper and a vts standard is still faster than my vtr with the breathing mods

Fair play :) just wanna clear up 1 thing

am I right in saying vts is 120 brake

and vtr is 100 brake facelift 1

So if I did all the stuff u have my vtr wud have less than 120 brake?

So therefore slower than a standard vts?

Im guessing its not that simple?

[SAM33R]

get a 106 GTi, build quality is better with Pug for some reason, oh and looks wise a 106 GTi is stunning and worth more

[manta]

get a 106 GTi, build quality is better with Pug for some reason, oh and looks wise a 106 GTi is stunning and worth more

Hm im not sure Im not a massive fan of the 106

[Predator_R32]

depending on the engine on the vtr

the mk1s and early mk2s are 90bhp and the later types are 98bhp, have a look at the engine section and the stickies, ryan did a guide

all VTS models are 120bhp

[SAM33R]

Hm im not sure Im not a massive fan of the 106

dude nor was i, they are more masculine

i was a saxo fan but 106 gti i find a very nicer looking car....

[manta]

depending on the engine on the vtr

the mk1s and early mk2s are 90bhp and the later types are 98bhp, have a look at the engine section and the stickies, ryan did a guide

all VTS models are 120bhp

I just dont see why its sooo hard 2 make a vtr quicker than a vts

[SAM33R]

I just dont see why its sooo hard 2 make a vtr quicker than a vts

30 bhp is alot of difference

plus 16v is better for manipulating inlet and outlet

[manta]

id have a later model tbh

100 brake one.

JW (if this is a stupid idea tell me) what a bout NOS?

[SAM33R]

aint got a clue lol

[Predator_R32]

its more costly

let me run it down

you would need to do the breathing mods, like ive said exhaust, manifold, filter, that would set you back a minimum of 200 - 300

a cam and remap your looking at 300 - 400

a decent vts engine and box would cost you about 400 - 600 fully fitted, standard vts engine vs a cammed vtr and all breathing mods would keep up no problem but id still say the vts would have the upper hand

At the end of the day it all depends on your budget, get some insurance quotes on a vts then come back to us with the results and how much you would have left to buy a vts

With your age at 18, your not an exactly expierienced driver, none of us are, ive seen a lot of people on here get a VTS at your age and stuff it within two weeks, fair enough they may of drove like idiots but a 1.1 at about 60bhp up to a vts 120bhp is twice the power, im in the same boat ill be upping from a vtr to an R32 more than twice the power and twice the CC capacity

[manta]

its more costly

let me run it down

you would need to do the breathing mods, like ive said exhaust, manifold, filter, that would set you back a minimum of 200 - 300

a cam and remap your looking at 300 - 400

a decent vts engine and box would cost you about 400 - 600 fully fitted, standard vts engine vs a cammed vtr and all breathing mods would keep up no problem but id still say the vts would have the upper hand

At the end of the day it all depends on your budget, get some insurance quotes on a vts then come back to us with the results and how much you would have left to buy a vts

With your age at 18, your not an exactly expierienced driver, none of us are, ive seen a lot of people on here get a VTS at your age and stuff it within two weeks, fair enough they may of drove like idiots but a 1.1 at about 60bhp up to a vts 120bhp is twice the power, im in the same boat ill be upping from a vtr to an R32 more than twice the power and twice the CC capacity


54brake apparently so its a beast.

I will get some quotes wen I can and judging from that then i will see what to do thanks for all your help guys and good night :)

[SAM33R]

yeah stick to VTR as its group 7 insurance?

then do your mods such as induction, mani, straight through... a standard remap with out cams is around 250 ish

dunno how much you'll gain

[SAM33R]

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8bhp is a fair bit