right new car time golf gti turbo mk4 or 106 gti?

[jamie8v]

time for a new car been 20 and 1 ync i can get insured on both off these cars for bout a 1000 so witch one would use have mk4 golf turbo 150bhp or 106 gti 120bhp

going to be daily drive btw

[gti180craig]

106 gti for me

[djmartin]

why is it people always post th BHP?

they maybe 150
120

but at the actual wheel they wont be much!

personallly id go for something more mature.

you can get a merc with ''more bhp'' and insurance would be roughtly the same.

more classy car, wont get called a boyracer or a chav, look more grown up,RWD,just as much fun to drive,better resale value.

hmm I know exactly which route id go for.

[jamie8v]

just been on golf forum and the gti reach just under 300bhp fairly easy on standed pistons ect. so im lean towards the golf my self but a cammed 106 gti sound tempting

[jamie8v]

why is it people always post th BHP?

they maybe 150
120

but at the actual wheel they wont be much!

personallly id go for something more mature.

you can get a merc with ''more bhp'' and insurance would be roughtly the same.

more classy car, wont get called a boyracer or a chav, look more grown up,RWD,just as much fun to drive,better resale value.

hmm I know exactly which route id go for.

put the bhp down becaust the golf comes with 150 and a 180 bhp.

[PSPDan]

Personally I'd have the Golf.

[djmartin]

put the bhp down becaust the golf comes with 150 and a 180 bhp.

you need to use your head mate.

golfs,106's are ok cars but they usally end up in a ditch or get stolen.

so insurance would be alot higher then normal!

where as you could get a more classy/sporty car which would still look good and be faster and your insurance would be lower.

why?
becuase they dont end up in a ditch OR get stolen as much!


if your after BHP then get something with loads of BHP in the first place.

Celica
Supra (non turbo) would needa kind insurere though lol
Focus st (not the cheapest car)
Focus 170
BMW 323 or 325 (loads about and are very tunable)

yes may have to pay about 300 more on insurance but tuning wise they have more to offer!

must be at least 4wd or RWD. FWD with mega BHP is pointless you get understeer (so it handles poo) and you cant put all the torque into the tarmac so you just end up wheel spinning in 1st 2nd & 3rd. which sort of defeats the whole purpose of using the BHP lols

[D--R--E--W]

end of the day mate its your choice and i am sure you know which you are gonna end up getting, i really dont think askin peoples opinions on a saxo forum about a 106 and a golf is going to help you out any...

[Oli_K]

put the bhp down becaust the golf comes with 150 and a 180 bhp.

so your getting the GTI not the Turbo gti as your title says ?

gti -150 turbo gt - 180 (mk4)

[jamie8v]

so your getting the GTI not the Turbo gti as your title says ?

gti -150 turbo gt - 180 (mk4)

no a golf gti turbo 1.8 20v t

there is to mk4 gti turbos one is 150 bhp and one is 180 bhp

[Rogue_Shadow]

I Hate Golfs
Enough said
But I personally would wait and get some more NCB under your belt and some more funds and get something better :D

But thats me

[djmartin]

no a golf gti turbo 1.8 20v t

there is to mk4 gti turbos one is 150 bhp and one is 180 bhp

which are both FWD and be running on low boost correct?

do you see my point mate?

you can get a toyota Mr2 Mk2 2.0litre 16 vavle with 170 bhp (non turbo) and with it been RWD it will put most if not every bit of bhp onto the tarmac where as the golf wont. and it wont handle aswell as an Mr2.


if your wanting a performance car then buy one! Golfs,106's etc are not performance cars unless they have had huge anounts of money spent on them ;).

[JamesR]

Golfs can look very nice:

Black - Tints - BBS alloys - Lowered. Just to start that would look awsome, then you can go for a little more power, maybe R32 seats etc

[jamie8v]

which are both FWD and be running on low boost correct?

do you see my point mate?

you can get a toyota Mr2 Mk2 2.0litre 16 vavle with 170 bhp (non turbo) and with it been RWD it will put most if not every bit of bhp onto the tarmac where as the golf wont. and it wont handle aswell as an Mr2.


if your wanting a performance car then buy one! Golfs,106's etc are not performance cars unless they have had huge anounts of money spent on them ;).

i see were you coming from pal just a good rwd cost a bit to buy would have a rwd car in a flash just hard to find one for under 2k. a good rwd car any way.

[BambiHan]

Hmm tough call. Prob go for the 106 personally. But agree as others have said if I were you i would wait til you are older and have more NCB

[jamie8v]

just been looking at the mr2 na 170 it dus 0-60 in 7.7 that quite quick

[JamesR]

just been looking at the mr2 na 170 it dus 0-60 in 7.7 that quite quick

But a VTS is 120bhp and does it in about 7.5 :wacko:

[Lewis1600]

Get a golf... more space.

[djmartin]

But a VTS is 120bhp and does it in about 7.5 :wacko:

yes but thats lighter so its expected.

the 106 cant go around the corners like an toyota mr2 I dont care what others say you can only make such a comment if you have driven in both cars and since a 106 is like a vts I can say I have driven one and I still have my MR2 sat in the garage lol.

if you had a sheep looking 106 (which means its like everyone elses)

and then next to it a body kitted toyota mr2.

I can garentee most will take pics of the mr2.

if you had a body kitted 106 next to a standard toyota mr2 the 106 would get comments like that looks chav or its trying to bea jap car like that toyota mr2 etc etc.


an induction kit on a non turbo mr2 gives better results then putting an induction kit onto a 106. just for the simple reason its a 2.0 litre. and if you wanted to turbo a non turbo its pritty simple. different ecu and the turbo kit. wala done where as on a 106 you need extra injectors and all sorts!

[swampy]

Even with a rwd drive car you get transmission loss so wont be putting down the 170bhp.
Just because its re and rwd doesnt stop the trans losses.
Its exactly the same as a fe and fwd car, the losses come from going through the gearbox and last time i lookd rwd cars had one of them.
There is a few 306 about running a reliable 400bhp plus and these with the aid of a dcent lsd put the power down just fine and out handle alot of bigger stuff

have a løok at leon cupra aswell

[JamesR]

Even with a rwd drive car you get transmission loss so wont be putting down the 170bhp.
Just because its re and rwd doesnt stop the trans losses.
Its exactly the same as a fe and fwd car, the losses come from going through the gearbox and last time i lookd rwd cars had one of them.
There is a few 306 about running a reliable 400bhp plus and these with the aid of a dcent lsd put the power down just fine and out handle alot of bigger stuff

have a løok at leon cupra aswell

Very good call, awsome cars :)

[Lewis1600]

How about ibiza 1.8 turbo??

[Robin91]

Definitely the golf!

Personally I'm planning to get one myself once I've got my 1 years NCB (March 31st!). I'm 18 and insurance will be £1k which is very good for that sort of car imo (try elephant/admiral, they seem to be very good on these cars for young drivers!)

They run 150BHP standard (unless you get the 180BHP model, I think it was only the aniversarry models that had this.) But with a remap ALONE you'll see 190-210 BHP (dependant on your engine code, AGU are the older engines with the k03 turbo, they have stronger internals but the AUM engines have the k03s turbo which is more capable and will deliver more power, it also spools up quicker.) If you want to get more involved there's loads you can do and you can quite easily see 250BHP, and the internals on the engines are good for about 400BHP before you have to start messing about so they're very capable cars! Pretty confident a mapped model would leave the MR2 in a straight line no problem. Admittedly they handle like barges as standard, but some decent coilies and some arb's will improve the handling massively.

So not only are they quicker than the 106 once mapped, they're also more comfortable, safer, better looking (imo ofcourse!), and nothing beats the feeling of the turbo pushing you into your seat! I'm planning to buy my mates AGU T reg 1.8T if I've got the money when it comes to the time and all other circumstances allow! It's a black 5 door on coilys, tints right round (including the front, tut tut) retrimmed recaros in red leather, revo remap, and a few other bits including a Milltek cat-back exhaust, induction kit etc. Very nice car, feels very quick, absolutely love it! Believe it's running about 210BHP. If you want any more information on them / have any questions get on UKMK4s, very good forum for MK4 Golfs and other VAG cars.

Obviously you've got the A3 1.8T's, but these have less of a following and so less tuning parts availible etc. You've got the Leon Cupras, but then you're talking more power from standard so a higher insurance group, and obviously other 1.8T cars but I won't try and mention them all! For me the golf is the favourable option because of the cost of insurance, the following/availibity of parts and the fact I've aleady got my eye on the one I want to buy!

Just my 2 cents. :y:

[Russ_16v]

the 180bhp AUQ engine was also available in the normal golfs as well as the anniversary's.

also, the engines are very good, and you might get 400bhp, but in all honesty thats pushing things rather a lot, the earlier AGU engine has a better head design than the later engines, also they have cable throttle.

The Ko3 will give upto about 230 bhp, with a peroper map, filter, downpipe, cat and exhaust, the K03s will touch around 245-250.

These are average figures, some may say higher, but rolling roads vary so much i dont tend to pay much attention

to get higher power you need to spend some cash, bigger injectors, a k04 turbo, bigger intercooler with better boost pipes, and higher fuel pressure will get you over 300, after that things really get expensive

Beraring in mind, the golfs need coilovers properly set up to handle nice, and you need aftermarket anti roll bars to drop them more than 30mm, then you need at least the 312mm front discs to slow you down

let me know if you need any more info iv morked for VW for years

[Robin91]

the 180bhp AUQ engine was also available in the normal golfs as well as the anniversary's.

also, the engines are very good, and you might get 400bhp, but in all honesty thats pushing things rather a lot, the earlier AGU engine has a better head design than the later engines, also they have cable throttle.

The Ko3 will give upto about 230 bhp, with a peroper map, filter, downpipe, cat and exhaust, the K03s will touch around 245-250.

These are average figures, some may say higher, but rolling roads vary so much i dont tend to pay much attention

to get higher power you need to spend some cash, bigger injectors, a k04 turbo, bigger intercooler with better boost pipes, and higher fuel pressure will get you over 300, after that things really get expensive

Beraring in mind, the golfs need coilovers properly set up to handle nice, and you need aftermarket anti roll bars to drop them more than 30mm, then you need at least the 312mm front discs to slow you down

let me know if you need any more info iv morked for VW for years

Sounds like you know your stuff! :y: Don't suppose you know anywhere to buy K03s turbos new or second hand? They seem quite hard to come by from the litte I've looked and it seems to be a matter of luck finding one in classifieds somewhere.

[Russ_16v]

Cheers mate, just been dealing with them for a long time now lol, have you tried turbo specialists? there are loads in yellow pages, might be worth a look?

Problem with breakers is most want to sell engines complete, so getting hold can be hard.

If your uprating a k03, id go right to a k04 mate

[James106]

Golf!!! wayyyy more reliable!

[djmartin]

id actually have to agree look into leon cupra's aswell.

what about a honda civic?

[Robin91]

id actually have to agree look into leon cupra's aswell.

what about a honda civic?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but surely the only Civic worth looking at with similar levels of performance is a Type-R, which he certainly won't be able to insure at a price anywhere near that?

Note - I know sh*t all about civics, so maybe very wrong!

Cheers mate, just been dealing with them for a long time now lol, have you tried turbo specialists? there are loads in yellow pages, might be worth a look?

Problem with breakers is most want to sell engines complete, so getting hold can be hard.

If your uprating a k03, id go right to a k04 mate

A k03s is literally a straight swap though isn't it apart from the turbo intake, would a K04 not be a lot more involved/require alot more parts/labour etc?

Any idea on the gains to be had from fitting a k04?

Cheers bud

[Russ_16v]

what car are we talking about mate?

ko4 needs a little fidding,but nothing hard, and the ko3s is not a great upgrade bearing in mind you will need a remap after fitting, so going to the k04 is a good idea, as they are good for over 300 bhp

[JRC1]

golfs,106's are ok cars but they usally end up in a ditch or get stolen.



MK4 Golfs are really well made and have MUCH better security than 106/Saxo and probably any french car for that matter. Also I don't think that MK4 Golfs come with a boy racer image at all but thats just my opinion. I like MK4's so I vote the Golf :)

They can be made to look good too:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5985/lado1phj6.jpg

[Robin91]

what car are we talking about mate?

ko4 needs a little fidding,but nothing hard, and the ko3s is not a great upgrade bearing in mind you will need a remap after fitting, so going to the k04 is a good idea, as they are good for over 300 bhp

Fitting to an AGU Golf currently running a k03?

P.s. anyone see the 'J-Euro' golf in *I think* this month's Fastcar? Jizz.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4056765060_f30e157b1e_o.jpg

[Russ_16v]

depends how far you want to go mate, what mods do you have now and what mods do you want to do in the future?

are you foing for big power or will you be happy with an average amount (say about 250?)

[Robin91]

depends how far you want to go mate, what mods do you have now and what mods do you want to do in the future?

are you foing for big power or will you be happy with an average amount (say about 250?)

Well I don't own the car the moment, it's my mates I'm hoping to buy April'ish time.

From what I know, so far it's got the following:
Milltek Cat-back exhaust system
Revo Remap
Cold Air Intake - Not sure which one exactly.
I think it's got the P007 (is that the name?) Diverter valve
Think it may also have uprated turbo intake pipe
Running with k03 turbo.

That's all I know of atm, sorry details are a bit vague! He claims it's running 200-210BHP at the moment.. If for example I wanted to take it to say 250BHP, what do you think would be the cheapest and most effective way of doing it? Would you almost certainly need to uprate the clutch at this sort of power, and if so what sort of cost is involved in doing so?

I'm hoping to either decat or atleast get a 200 cell sport cat on it when I get it just to get that little bit more out of it, am I right in assuming that'd give atleast another 5BHP possibly upto 10?

Robin

[Saxo-SX]

I'd go for the Golf personally.

Mk4's my favourite

[Russ_16v]

get a decat, sports cats are not worth the money

If you want a genuine 250, then a ko3s will get there but it will be running at its higher level to get that, i would get a k04, and with sensible boost you could easy get 250 without breaking a sweat.

You will need a better down pipe, and a decent map also

if you got a ko3s to run reliably, you will be looking around 240 ish bhp

i would imagine that is an accurate power estimate for his, though if not abused the clutch will be ok

the k03s will be cheaper than the k04, but the k04 will make 250 more safe than the k03s and will be sorted for later power increase if you want it

PM me for more info mate, as i think we have highjacked this thread lol

[Robin91]

get a decat, sports cats are not worth the money

If you want a genuine 250, then a ko3s will get there but it will be running at its higher level to get that, i would get a k04, and with sensible boost you could easy get 250 without breaking a sweat.

You will need a better down pipe, and a decent map also

if you got a ko3s to run reliably, you will be looking around 240 ish bhp

i would imagine that is an accurate power estimate for his, though if not abused the clutch will be ok

the k03s will be cheaper than the k04, but the k04 will make 250 more safe than the k03s and will be sorted for later power increase if you want it

PM me for more info mate, as i think we have highjacked this thread lol

Haha no doubt all this info will help him make the right decision though. :p

Will do!

[carter]

MK4 Golfs are really well made and have MUCH better security than 106/Saxo and probably any french car for that matter. Also I don't think that MK4 Golfs come with a boy racer image at all but thats just my opinion. I like MK4's so I vote the Golf :)

They can be made to look good too:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5985/lado1phj6.jpg

agree they can be made to look mint, but the R32 above is a totaly different machine to the 1.8T!

heres mine (any excuse!)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/cart984/DSC00295.jpg


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/cart984/DSC00298.jpg

[jamie8v]

im going for the golf just thinking downpipe decat and full s/s exhaust uprate fmic cold air induciton and the remap.. some nice wheels and lower it that will do me nicley :D

[mattknight1984]

ive got a mk4 golf 1.8T and its brilliant. And its not French either ;)

[Robin91]

agree they can be made to look mint, but the R32 above is a totaly different machine to the 1.8T!

Yeah but you can always just put the R32 kit on. ;) Was thinking about this myself, but then I figured a) Paying circa £400 a bumper was mad - especially when you need spraying afterwards. b) You're making the car look like something it's not, people may think it's an R32 etc.

Very nice car though mate! Absolutely love R32's, the sound they make is incredible! You done much to yours or is standard throughout?

[farmerchris]

why not go for the golf gt-tdi, they have 145-150 bhp iirc

[carter]

Yeah but you can always just put the R32 kit on. ;) Was thinking about this myself, but then I figured a) Paying circa £400 a bumper was mad - especially when you need spraying afterwards. b) You're making the car look like something it's not, people may think it's an R32 etc.

Very nice car though mate! Absolutely love R32's, the sound they make is incredible! You done much to yours or is standard throughout?

yh but like you said by the time you put the kit on it and had it sprayed ur talking alot, and thats the cheap bit if you want to do the interior aswell ur talking 1000s


pretty much standard tbh! apart from miltek exhaust, filter and remap.

[carter]

i love the look of that white one, ive been thinking of getting mine wrapped in white vinly

[Robin91]

im going for the golf just thinking downpipe decat and full s/s exhaust uprate fmic cold air induciton and the remap.. some nice wheels and lower it that will do me nicley :D

Good lad! You'll love it. Get a Milltek instead of an S/S though imo. If you're looking to decat you can get some decent decat pipes on ebay I think you're looking at about £90, if you decide you do want to get a sport cat for whatever reason (e.g. not having swap over for MOT) then gimme a shout, I know where you can get one for ~£130, normally they'll set you back £400 or so !

Carter, got any videos of your R32?

P.s. Carter, wrap it matt black and go 'Murdered' style, don't think I've ever seen an R32 like that yet!

[carter]

only got the one from a r32 meet, see if you can spot mine! i had black alloys on at the time.

can you get sport cats for the r32 cheap mate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=patIkvMUAY8

[Robin91]

only got the one from a r32 meet, see if you can spot mine! i had black alloys on at the time.

can you get sport cats for the r32 cheap mate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=patIkvMUAY8

I don't know mate I'll have a look and see!

And that video is quality, your's sounds absolutely filty! Love it haha.

[carter]

lol cheers mate, let me know

[Marcos]

exhaust systems are very expensive for r32s i noticed £600 for manifolds alone dont think so...

im runnig stage 1 map on mine (aum engine)
with milltek cat back
decat
carbonio intake
forge 007p
coilovers

but due to nature of ko3s turbo the mapper reckons it will be pushing 220-225bhp
as a standard ko3s mapped runs 210bhp average with there maps

getting the power down is a different thing, if its wet dont bother trying traction control kills it and still struggles in 3rd to get grip, but can get it down if its dry or a bit damp

golf everyday of week tbh

and hybrid ko3 is your best bet pal, as its same shell as a ko3s just different internals, and hybrid they say can achieve around 290bhp with mapping and ko4 only achieves 270ish mapped but you need oil lines, different down pipe, different TIP with ko4 so works out around same price

[Robin91]

and hybrid ko3 is your best bet pal, as its same shell as a ko3s just different internals, and hybrid they say can achieve around 290bhp with mapping and ko4 only achieves 270ish mapped but you need oil lines, different down pipe, different TIP with ko4 so works out around same price

Marcos, could you explain more about this hybrid turbo? I've seen it mentioned on UKMk4s but never understood it.. Are you saying there's a turbo which you can pretty much straight bolt onto an AGU engine which is capable of around 290BHP? Is that without uprating anything else?

[Predator_R32]

tints on any car look gay imo, if you get a golf, only one thing really, coilovers, BBS wheels and some porsche or RS4 brakes

[Robin91]

tints on any car look gay imo, if you get a golf, only one thing really, coilovers, BBS wheels and some porsche or RS4 brakes

On the VAG scene there's more room for modification though, it's not as streamlined as the scene on here (i.e. only subtle mods are seen as being good now, anything more adventerous or outside of this is regarded as being chav/crap etc.)

Not a dig, just think that's how it is.. Personally think the tints look good and go with the car because it's black anyway.

[Marcos]

Marcos, could you explain more about this hybrid turbo? I've seen it mentioned on UKMk4s but never understood it.. Are you saying there's a turbo which you can pretty much straight bolt onto an AGU engine which is capable of around 290BHP? Is that without uprating anything else?

yeah a hybrid is just your orginal turbo just with internals changed, think its turbo dynamics that do them, i dont know loads about it just know they can be run on standard engines, but right at its limits, they say 300bhp is breaking point, but agu are ment be strongest engines so they say, you would be better off with a fmic and definetly a uprated clutch, and probabbly bigger injectors

il go look for more info now.. something to read in the mean time 812bhp 1.8T http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4101264

bit of a old thread http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/221138.aspx?PageIndex=1

[Mieran]

106 = chav car
Golf = not a chav car

Choose what category you want to be in.

[Robin91]

yeah a hybrid is just your orginal turbo just with internals changed, think its turbo dynamics that do them, i dont know loads about it just know they can be run on standard engines, but right at its limits, they say 300bhp is breaking point, but agu are ment be strongest engines so they say, you would be better off with a fmic and definetly a uprated clutch, and probabbly bigger injectors

il go look for more info now.. something to read in the mean time 812bhp 1.8T http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4101264

Cheers, I found one company that did them and it was over a grand for the turbo! Seems alot?

The size of that turbo on that linked golf, absolutely mad! Heres a pic of said golf I'm planning to buy. Think the bra is off now and the bonnets being resprayed because of the paint being all messed up because of the bra! I'm planning to also get some black R32 style headlights on there and maybe different wheels if I can ever afford it!
http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss134/areallybig1/carsharp.jpghttp://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss134/areallybig1/carfrontsharp.jpg

[sir_dave]

Whats the budget here?

All this talk of building a 300bhp monster out of a £2k 150bhp gti shed would suggest a good £5-6k in total. At which point, you are comparing a cheap, fun hot hatch (the 106), with an overpowered, overspent, german barge (the golf).

106/saxo are good, fun cars for £2k or so. 150bhp Golfs at that price are dull.

Tbh £18k Golfs with 230bhp are still dull, f*ck knows how people put up with Mk5 tdi's lol.

[Robin91]

Whats the budget here?

All this talk of building a 300bhp monster out of a £2k 150bhp gti shed would suggest a good £5-6k in total. At which point, you are comparing a cheap, fun hot hatch (the 106), with an overpowered, overspent, german barge (the golf).

106/saxo are good, fun cars for £2k or so. 150bhp Golfs at that price are dull.

Tbh £18k Golfs with 230bhp are still dull, f*ck knows how people put up with Mk5 tdi's lol.

Who's mentioned actually planning to run 300BHP? It's been mentioned that it's possible... and the methods of doing so have been discussed, but no one has claimed to plan to do so. You're comparing a tin can pile of crap car, with a well made, much comfier and quicker car. ;) Have you ever been in a decently set up 1.8T golf? From reading what you've written, it doesn't sound like it.

£2k for a 1.8T Golf? Maybe with 200,000 miles (Yes! Engines that do last over 100k, overwhelming I know. ;)) Most will set you back £3-4k for a reasonable milage, depending on what reg/engine code you're looking at + you've got to consider leathers etc.

Golf > French tat anyday of the week. :y:

[gouldy87]

my honest advice would be get the golf but a GT TDI, thats what i did and ive never looked back, you can get some willy power out of them and they are one of the most reliable cars out there, mine is on 137,000 miles still on original clutch, exhaust etc it came out of the factory with!

[Marcos]

Tbh £18k Golfs with 230bhp are still dull, f*ck knows how people put up with Mk5 tdi's lol.

the same way people put up with 13k vts's when they came out

my honest advice would be get the golf but a GT TDI, thats what i did and ive never looked back, you can get some willy power out of them and they are one of the most reliable cars out there, mine is on 137,000 miles still on original clutch, exhaust etc it came out of the factory with!

i had a 130 GTTDI i never looked back to the saxo but wish i got a petrol so i sold it and got a petrol:homme:

[jamie8v]

got my hart set on the golf now will be geting a miltech exhaust and a down pipe and decat from ebay how hard are coilovers to set up is it as simple as puting them on and puting it at the hight you want?? with fmic ect going to hope for 230-240 bhp this will be more than anoth for me :D need to sell my 206 xsi now

[sir_dave]

Have you ever been in a decently set up 1.8T golf? From reading what you've written, it doesn't sound like it.

My girlfriend owns a TT225, (which is essentially a better setup/handling MK4 Golf) & i drive it extensively. 2 of my friends have owned R32's in the past 18 months, i drove one of them around the 'ring, it ran KW coillies & a few other nice bits & bobs ... i also looked into buying an Anni a couple of years back & have used LCR's on many occasion.

I also own a Golf Edition 30 & only ever pass comment on things that i have either tried extensively or owned.

Most will set you back £3-4k for a reasonable milage, depending on what reg/engine code you're looking at + you've got to consider leathers etc.

£4K on any Mk4 Golf is madness, i could understand spending that on an LCR though, at least you get nice brakes, a KO4 & an intercooler as standard ...

Golf > French tat anyday of the week. :y:

I disagree :y:

[Robin91]

My girlfriend owns a TT225, (which is essentially a better setup/handling MK4 Golf) & i drive it extensively. 2 of my friends have owned R32's in the past 18 months, i drove one of them around the 'ring, it ran KW coillies & a few other nice bits & bobs ... i also looked into buying an Anni a couple of years back & have used LCR's on many occasion.

I also own a Golf Edition 30.


So the answers no? None of them are a 1.8T Golf.. ;) Each to their own I suppose, depends if you like fast with class or almost as fast with shoddy build - whatever rocks your horse!

Why do you own a Golf Edition 30 (completely differnet car to that in subject but nevermind for now) instead of say a Saxo then if you think the french offering is better? You'd of saved a lot of money on the car cost that's for sure!

[Marcos]

got my hart set on the golf now will be geting a miltech exhaust and a down pipe and decat from ebay how hard are coilovers to set up is it as simple as puting them on and puting it at the hight you want?? with fmic ect going to hope for 230-240 bhp this will be more than anoth for me :D need to sell my 206 xsi now

your best fitting decat at same time as exhaust as theres not much room after to slide downpipe, as for coilover easy 2 set up by rears are wound right down then counted the threads on front,

[Marcos]

intercooler as standard ...


you get a intercooler as standard on all turbo mk4s btw

[carter]

My girlfriend owns a TT225, (which is essentially a better setup/handling MK4 Golf) & i drive it extensively. 2 of my friends have owned R32's in the past 18 months, i drove one of them around the 'ring, it ran KW coillies & a few other nice bits & bobs ... i also looked into buying an Anni a couple of years back & have used LCR's on many occasion.

I also own a Golf Edition 30 & only ever pass comment on things that i have either tried extensively or owned.



£4K on any Mk4 Golf is madness, i could understand spending that on an LCR though, at least you get nice brakes, a KO4 & an intercooler as standard ...



I disagree :y:


how is 4k on any mk4 golf madness? you say you own a ED30 that must have cost a fair bit, what makes the mk5 any different its still a golf at the end of the day, just doesnt look as gd lol

[Robin91]

you get a intercooler as standard on all turbo mk4s btw

Forgot to mention that! Also forgot to mention, £4k would be very low end for an LCR..Where as £4k would be a mid-high range Mk4 Golf 1.8t.. Not to mention the LCR is a higher insurance group etc. Apples and pears or whatever the saying is.

[gouldy87]

the same way people put up with 13k vts's when they came out



i had a 130 GTTDI i never looked back to the saxo but wish i got a petrol so i sold it and got a petrol:homme:

really?

ive played with mine but not spent much and ive got it up to similar power to a pd150 but with slightly more torque (mine is a pd115)

lovely car to drive, very solid and with 400nm of torque every time i put my foot down it always puts a smile on my face.

plus 5 different settings for my heated seats, amazing on a cold morning!

[sir_dave]

So the answers no? None of them are a 1.8T Golf.. ;) Each to their own I suppose, depends if you like fast with class or almost as fast with shoddy build - whatever rocks your horse!

Why do you own a Golf Edition 30 (completely differnet car to that in subject but nevermind for now) instead of say a Saxo then if you think the french offering is better? You'd of saved a lot of money on the car cost that's for sure!

An Anniversary is a 1.8T Golf. A TT is a 1.8T golf in a frock ;)

I have an Edition 30 as it is a brilliant day to day car, with a professional image, that is suitable for work (i.e. less than 3 years old) & takes huge mileages in its stride. The deal i was offered also made good financial sense tbh ...

Ultimately though, it is not as 'fun' as a saxo vts, hence why i have one of those in the garage as well :cool:

[gouldy87]

your best fitting decat at same time as exhaust as theres not much room after to slide downpipe, as for coilover easy 2 set up by rears are wound right down then counted the threads on front,

exhaust fitting is a pain in the arse on golfs, especially changing the down pipes. the bolts on the turbo are well up there and a pain to reach.

regarding coilovers if you wind them down more than -50mm you will an adjustable ARB as the drive shafts rub if you dont change it.

[gouldy87]

An Anniversary is a 1.8T Golf ;) A TT is a 1.8T golf in a frock ...

I own an Edition 30 as it is a brilliant day to day car, with a professional image, that is suitable for work & takes huge mileages in its stride :y:

Ultimately though, it is not as 'fun' as a saxo vts, hence why i have one of those in the garage as well :cool:

im hoping that when ive got rid of these poor jamex springs and got some coilovers next year that will sort the hamdling out and it should be as fun as my old vts

[Robin91]

An Anniversary is a 1.8T Golf ;) A TT is a 1.8T golf in a frock ...

I'm quite well aware of that, given that I mentioned them much earlier in the thread. ;) But "looking into buying" isn't the same as "driving" one - so I'll assume that means you havn't driven one unless you care to enlighten us otherwise.

The only feeling I ever have in a Saxo is fear (for my life), I just can't get over how unsafe they are - if they were say equivalant to something like a Golf I'd quite happily own one, but then again that's the reason they are how they are, catch 22 really!

[Marcos]

what makes the mk5 any different its still a golf at the end of the day, just doesnt look as gd lol

i used to think that about mk5 but the ed30 are nice as is the gti, and r32

Forgot to mention that! Also forgot to mention, £4k would be very low end for an LCR..Where as £4k would be a mid-high range Mk4 Golf 1.8t.. Not to mention the LCR is a higher insurance group etc. Apples and pears or whatever the saying is.

but the LCR is top model leon, but with golf you have 4motion & r32 so if the 1.8T were more r32 would be ludacris even tho they alredy are

i paid 4k for mine on 02 plate 54k miles

really?

ive played with mine but not spent much and ive got it up to similar power to a pd150 but with slightly more torque (mine is a pd115)

lovely car to drive, very solid and with 400nm of torque every time i put my foot down it always puts a smile on my face.

plus 5 different settings for my heated seats, amazing on a cold morning!

yeah sold it to mum 6 months down line felt better built than the petrol alot smoother, had most toys inside but just boring engine, not revvy at all but mpg is alot diffrent used to get around 62 mpg in diesel, luck if i get 35 in petrol

[sir_dave]

I'll assume that means you havn't driven one unless you care to enlighten us otherwise.

I only ever pass comment on things that i have either tried extensively or owned.

I drove a lot of them back in 2005 when looking for a new car. Desperately wanted to buy a black anniversary & drop it on coilovers, but the drive of both the 1.8T and Tdi 150 convinced me otherwise unfortunately.

This was in comparison to the Civic Type R & 206 Gti 180 btw. As it happens, i bought a Clio 182 in the end ...

Must love the french clutter ;)

[gouldy87]

i used to think that about mk5 but the ed30 are nice as is the gti, and r32



but the LCR is top model leon, but with golf you have 4motion & r32 so if the 1.8T were more r32 would be ludacris even tho they alredy are

i paid 4k for mine on 02 plate 54k miles



yeah sold it to mum 6 months down line felt better built than the petrol alot smoother, had most toys inside but just boring engine, not revvy at all but mpg is alot diffrent used to get around 62 mpg in diesel, luck if i get 35 in petrol

mine is far from boring, 146 hp and 400nm of torque is brilliant, it handles pretty good at the min with 35mm springs and 18s (very wide) the only thing im not happy with is how bouncy the springs are on OEM shocks one of which has popped and lost all the fliud out of.

hence the coil over purchase which should sort the handling out and then it will be a brilliant car to drive

[Robin91]

I drove a lot of them back in 2005 when looking for a new car. Desperately wanted to buy a black one & drop it on coilovers, but the drive of both the 1.8T and Tdi 150 convinced me otherwise unfortunately.

This was in comparison to the Civic Type R & 206 Gti 180 btw. As it happens, i bought a Clio 182 in the end ...

Must love the french clutter ;)

Could you elaborate exactly what was 'wrong' with the drive? Interested to here what you think. :)

182, one of the very few decent french hatches, good choice. :y: Was considering a 172 against the Golf, but insurance was too much to be worthwhile so that ruled that out.

[gouldy87]

who says diesels arnt fun!

260bhp dyno run video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BvjJjL7Z50

PD130 converted Fabia TDI. Currently Stage 4 tune. Now with added Nitrous injection.

this is a lad off uk mk4s.net where i spend most of time, he is now going for 300+ HP

fucking mental, smokey but mental!

[Robin91]

who says diesels arnt fun!

260bhp dyno run video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BvjJjL7Z50

PD130 converted Fabia TDI. Currently Stage 4 tune. Now with added Nitrous injection.

this is a lad off uk mk4s.net where i spend most of time, he is now going for 300+ HP

fucking mental, smokey but mental!

Probably cost a lot of money to get it there though, and just look at all that soot from the exhaust! :p

[gouldy87]

Could you elaborate exactly what was 'wrong' with the drive? Interested to here what you think. :)

182, one of the very few decent french hatches, good choice. :y: Was considering a 172 against the Golf, but insurance was too much to be worthwhile so that ruled that out.

from my experience there is alot of "roll" when cornering, thats what my GT TDI was like when i first got it. it didnt handle very well, especially with 65 profile tyres. really bad at cornering actually

[sir_dave]

Could you elaborate exactly what was 'wrong' with the drive? Interested to here what you think. :)

The main problem is the dead steering, something that all day to day VAG's suffer from unfortunately (mine included), not entirely sure they understand what detailed feedback is tbh. Maybe Porsche could send them an internal memo ....

In addition, the standard body control is abysmal, showing truly bad levels of roll & understeer. For the purposes of this conversation however, that can mostly be ignored due to the wonders of aftermarket modification; good suspension setup, coilovers, anti-roll bars, etc.

But no matter what you replace the suspension with, the steering will always be poor and that for me, is arguably the most important aspect of any car - knowing exactly what is going on under your wheels. You cannot push hard without all the information :n:

[Lew_C]

Fitting to an AGU Golf currently running a k03?

P.s. anyone see the 'J-Euro' golf in *I think* this month's Fastcar? Jizz.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4056765060_f30e157b1e_o.jpg

was infront of me the other day.. jizz

[Marcos]

iv seen it but think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_s-hO8zKn8 would be more fun to drive, i spend most of my time over there aswel, which coilovers you going for i just got them weitec ones from dpm

[gouldy87]

The main problem is the dead steering, something that all day to day VAG's suffer from unfortunately (mine included), not entirely sure they understand what detailed feedback is tbh. Maybe Porsche could send them an internal memo ....

In addition, the standard body control is abysmal, showing truly bad levels of roll & understeer. For the purposes of this conversation however, that can mostly be ignored due to the wonders of aftermarket modification; good suspension setup, coilovers, anti-roll bars, etc.

But no matter what you replace the suspension with, the steering will always be poor and that for me, is arguably the most important aspect of any car - knowing exactly what is going on under your wheels. You cannot push hard without all the information :n:

ive never had this issue at all. hmm interesting

[sir_dave]

ive never had this issue at all. hmm interesting

What are you comparing it to? Note that a vts doesnt have particularly good steering either imho.

Something like a 306 Gti6 has one of the most detailed helms of a regular hatchback :drink:

[gouldy87]

iv seen it but think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_s-hO8zKn8 would be more fun to drive, i spend most of my time over there aswel, which coilovers you going for i just got them weitec ones from dpm

how much did you pay for them mate?

btw ive seen that vid before fucking awesome car, id love to build something like that!

im looking at jamex and the JOMs at the min. both have had really good reviews

[gouldy87]

What are you comparing it to? Note that a vts doesnt have particularly good steering either imho.

Something like a 306 Gti6 has one of the most detailed helms of a regular hatchback :drink:

sorry if ive got my wires crossed, i thought you were describing the ride of your golf so i was comparing to what mine felt like?

am i on the right lines or have i mis read something somewhere?

[sir_dave]

I'm talking about the dead steering & lack of detailed feedback from it :zainy:

[gouldy87]

I'm talking about the dead steering & lack of detailed feedback from it :zainy:

on the golf or i general?

[AJ_SAXO]

time for a new car been 20 and 1 ync i can get insured on both off these cars for bout a 1000 so witch one would use have mk4 golf turbo 150bhp or 106 gti 120bhp

going to be daily drive btw

Golf all the way mate!! Im getting the mk4 gti turbo in a couple of months;);)

[sir_dave]

on the golf or i general?

I was asked specifically to elaborate on the drive of the MK4 Anniversary's that i tested:

Could you elaborate exactly what was 'wrong' with the drive? Interested to here what you think. :)

:y:

[gouldy87]

I was asked specifically to elaborate on the drive of the MK4 Anniversary's that i tested:



:y:


standard suspension is poor on the golfs imo, although aniversarys are 30mm lower as standard

[Evorilium]

My mate had the Golf GTi. He fricking loves it!
Normal mods and then a decent re-map and you will see 200bhp.

[sir_dave]

standard suspension is poor on the golfs imo, although aniversarys are 30mm lower as standard

I know, but as mentioned that can be improved upon, my gripe was/is with the lifeless steering ...

[gouldy87]

I know, but as mentioned that can be improved upon, my gripe was/is with the lifeless steering ...

could of been faulty steering rack on the ani?

mine is fine, brilliant infact i would say its better than the corsa c and the vts i used to have

[sir_dave]

could of been faulty steering rack on the ani?

mine is fine, brilliant infact i would say its better than the corsa c and the vts i used to have

You just hit the nail on the head though, its what your comparing it to. Corsa's have terrible steering & its not the saxo's strong point either!!

Go & drive an Elise, or even a 306 Gti6 (bloody brilliant steering in a regular hatch imho), then you'll understand what i mean ;)

[gouldy87]

You just hit the nail on the head though, its what your comparing it to. Corsa's have terrible steering & its not the saxo's strong point either!!

Go & drive an Elise, or even a 306 Gti6 (bloody brilliant steering in a regular hatch imho), then you'll understand what i mean ;)

that is a very good point, but there some cars i have owned, i have driven more. imo the best car was a glanze on coilovers on 15s with a 50 profile tyre and poly bushes. or an audi a3 1.8 quattro sport, they both went round corners brillliantly, the glanza more than the audi though

[sir_dave]

But i'm not talking about cornering prowess, grip or how fast a car will go around a track.

I'm talking about steering feedback or 'feel' which is something completely different. It is the way that the wheel communicates what is coming back from the road surface & how it feels when you turn it, how much lock, its assistance, etc, etc.

[Robin91]

You just hit the nail on the head though, its what your comparing it to. Corsa's have terrible steering & its not the saxo's strong point either!!

Go & drive an Elise, or even a 306 Gti6 (bloody brilliant steering in a regular hatch imho), then you'll understand what i mean ;)

Fair enough! When I drove my mates 1.8T it was literally up and down a carpark so didn't really get a chance to get a feel for the steering, but to me it didn't really matter because the speed and that feeling of the turbo more than made up for however much it may lack in handling! I'm not to bothered about handling given that I currently drive a Mk2 Punto and I don't believe they're exactly renowned for the handling either haha, and pushing a car round corners is just a recipe for disaster anyway imo on public roads, and I do doubt I'll ever be on a track with it so the Golf is the one for me! :D

[gouldy87]

Fair enough! When I drove my mates 1.8T it was literally up and down a carpark so didn't really get a chance to get a feel for the steering, but to me it didn't really matter because the speed and that feeling of the turbo more than made up for however much it may lack in handling! I'm not to bothered about handling given that I currently drive a Mk2 Punto and I don't believe they're exactly renowned for the handling either haha, and pushing a car round corners is just a recipe for disaster anyway imo on public roads, and I do doubt I'll ever be on a track with it so the Golf is the one for me! :D

coilovers and wide wheels on a golf and your onto a winner for handling imo

[jamie8v]

i think this thread may have got out hand lol .

18inch bbs alloys on coilovers (seen the ones i like)

[Robin91]

i think this thread may have got out hand lol .

18inch bbs alloys on coilovers (seen the ones i like)

I think it's been a half decent car discussion! Better than most of the threads on Sax-P. :p

Genuine BBS = Hella Expensive.

[jamie8v]

I think it's been a half decent car discussion! Better than most of the threads on Sax-P. :p

Genuine BBS = Hella Expensive.

iv been looking at the replica ones on ebay look the same and a lot cheaper lol .. when i fit the coilovers how will i no when i next extra stuff to go lower ?

[sir_dave]

I think it's been a half decent car discussion! Better than most of the threads on Sax-P. :p

+1 :y:

[Robin91]

iv been looking at the replica ones on ebay look the same and a lot cheaper lol .. when i fit the coilovers how will i no when i next extra stuff to go lower ?

Someone mentioned earlier if you go lower than 30mm you'll need to get new ARB's? I'm not sure if that's a MUST or a SHOULD. I know my mate who's Golf I'm planning to buy mentioned that even with Coilys the handling wasn't great because it needed some new ARB's or a new RARB, something like that! Other than that I don't think there's anything you'll need? Unless you're going ridicolously low for show purposes where you may need to do work to the arches and such.

[LSOfreak]

i'd get the 106gti. can bet you wont see as many 106gti's to golfs these days. yeah some well alot say its 'immature' but you gotta love the little pocket rocket, boyracer image slammed french cars.

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/slickusrickus/41.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/slickusrickus/54.jpg

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/slickusrickus/89.jpg

[Robin91]

i'd get the 106gti. can bet you wont see as many 106gti's to golfs these days. yeah some well alot say its 'immature' but you gotta love the little pocket rocket, boyracer image slammed french cars.


No you won't see as many because so many are write offs, down to the fact that they're poorly built and tin cans! Why would you want to drive around looking like a chav, in a car with a bad image as such? Hardly desirable!

[vtrchris64]

I'd get the 106 GTI personally. I've lost count of hows many times i've read about people moving on to bigger faster cars and missing their 106 GTI's because their such fun to drive. It isn't seen as one of the best hot hatches ever for no reason.
And who gives a fuck about image, if you like the car get it!!

If you want a nice comfy boat then get the Golf. Might have Turbo power and be fast in a straight line but its nothing special.

Maybe a Clio sport?? If you're wanting more power.

Just my opinion of course :P

[Predator_R32]

On the VAG scene there's more room for modification though, it's not as streamlined as the scene on here (i.e. only subtle mods are seen as being good now, anything more adventerous or outside of this is regarded as being chav/crap etc.)

Not a dig, just think that's how it is.. Personally think the tints look good and go with the car because it's black anyway.

its ok mate, no dig taken, just the way my R32 is going, already got a list of mods worked out

[Russ_16v]

Someone mentioned earlier if you go lower than 30mm you'll need to get new ARB's? I'm not sure if that's a MUST or a SHOULD. I know my mate who's Golf I'm planning to buy mentioned that even with Coilys the handling wasn't great because it needed some new ARB's or a new RARB, something like that! Other than that I don't think there's anything you'll need? Unless you're going ridicolously low for show purposes where you may need to do work to the arches and such.

That was me mate, you need different arb's as when lowered you can knock the std ones, aftermarket ones fit differently so wont have that problem.


Iv known Dave a while off CS now, and trust what he says he has ALOT of experience with Golfs.

Also please bear in mind that a rolling road operator can make any car read what he wants, if you want 250 bhp, a ko3s will give you that, but it will be stretched to.

A k04 will get you over a genuine 300 bhp, if combined with a bigger intercooler out where they mount it as std (bloody stupid position) bigger injectors, downpipe + exhaust, and a decent map, but all this lot can cost upwards of £2000.

To get 210 bhp, in any 1.8T engine, you will need a decent exhaust and a remap, no problem there, but anyone saying they can get 220+ from a remap is pulling your leg, even the 180 bhp TT's, and Octavia vrs' which run AUQ engines with a ko3s and 180bhp as standard can realistically touch 210-220 with a map, you need a few more bits to reach 240, and over that the boys who know what they are doing jump right to a k04, for reliability as well as power

[Robin91]

its ok mate, no dig taken, just the way my R32 is going, already got a list of mods worked out

Nice didn't realise you had an R32. Supercharged? That must shift nicely! Got any pics/videos mate? Or even a progress thread?

That was me mate, you need different arb's as when lowered you can knock the std ones, aftermarket ones fit differently so wont have that problem.


Iv known Dave a while off CS now, and trust what he says he has ALOT of experience with Golfs.

Also please bear in mind that a rolling road operator can make any car read what he wants, if you want 250 bhp, a ko3s will give you that, but it will be stretched to.

A k04 will get you over a genuine 300 bhp, if combined with a bigger intercooler out where they mount it as std (bloody stupid position) bigger injectors, downpipe + exhaust, and a decent map, but all this lot can cost upwards of £2000.

To get 210 bhp, in any 1.8T engine, you will need a decent exhaust and a remap, no problem there, but anyone saying they can get 220+ from a remap is pulling your leg, even the 180 bhp TT's, and Octavia vrs' which run AUQ engines with a ko3s and 180bhp as standard can realistically touch 210-220 with a map, you need a few more bits to reach 240, and over that the boys who know what they are doing jump right to a k04, for reliability as well as power

Good post, thanks.

[LSOfreak]

No you won't see as many because so many are write offs, down to the fact that they're poorly built and tin cans! Why would you want to drive around looking like a chav, in a car with a bad image as such? Hardly desirable!

just like saying 'why would you want to drive a barge of a golf'. people dont care, hasnt put off 40k members off here from buying saxos for 'looking like a chav'

no reason to write it off aswell if you dont drive like a goon!

[Robin91]

just like saying 'why would you want to drive a barge of a golf'. people dont care, hasnt put off 40k members off here from buying saxos for 'looking like a chav'

no reason to write it off aswell if you dont drive like a goon!

Well you're comparing 2 different aspects of ownership there so it doesn't really compare.. and majority of Golf 1.8T owners (enthusiasts i.e. members of UKMK4's etc.) will get them on Coilys and new ARBS, in which case they handle nicely - the problem is overcome.. Nothing will change the terrible build of Saxos/106s, nor the image. Tbh I think the majority of the members on here fit perfectly into the stereotypical Saxo owner anyway! No matter how much they try and 'disguise' it, you read through any half intellectual thread (e.g. the muslim protest thread) and read the responses, it makes it quite clear how half-witted and idiotic a lot of the members are! Which gives me no doubt they're just as such in real life. ;)

With regards to the write off issue.. Accidents arn't always caused by the driver's fault i.e. careless driving, it's the actions of other road users that can also just as equally lead to accidents. It's the poor build of the cars that means even very small incidents which on cars like a Golf would be nothing more than a simple repair job, can mean the car is written off (combined with their low market value which doesn't help.)

That's my opinion. :)

[jamie8v]

That was me mate, you need different arb's as when lowered you can knock the std ones, aftermarket ones fit differently so wont have that problem.


Iv known Dave a while off CS now, and trust what he says he has ALOT of experience with Golfs.

Also please bear in mind that a rolling road operator can make any car read what he wants, if you want 250 bhp, a ko3s will give you that, but it will be stretched to.

A k04 will get you over a genuine 300 bhp, if combined with a bigger intercooler out where they mount it as std (bloody stupid position) bigger injectors, downpipe + exhaust, and a decent map, but all this lot can cost upwards of £2000.

To get 210 bhp, in any 1.8T engine, you will need a decent exhaust and a remap, no problem there, but anyone saying they can get 220+ from a remap is pulling your leg, even the 180 bhp TT's, and Octavia vrs' which run AUQ engines with a ko3s and 180bhp as standard can realistically touch 210-220 with a map, you need a few more bits to reach 240, and over that the boys who know what they are doing jump right to a k04, for reliability as well as power

i was thinking down pipe decat ,miltech exhaust ,uprated panel filtter, fmic,remap is this good for 230bhp?

then coilovers (or some decent springs and shock set up at 50mm) 18inch bbs replica rims and some good tyers

thanks for all the info every one has put in but i am going with the golf becaust last couple cars have being saxo ,saxo ,fiesta zetec s its time for me to grow up alittle bit

jamie

[VtsTom]

I have a mk4 anni. Its nice to cruise about in but i miss sunday thrashes in a french tin can BADLY

[Tommo87]

If you have a Saxo/106 with any poke you will miss the thrill of such a raw car in a golf as I found so I went and got a Mk1 GTI for the fun.

Tbh if you look around the 106 GTI doesn't have such a bad rep as it is seen as more the enthusiasts car, in fact up around my area the golf (especially the Mk4) seems to be flying the flag for poorly modified 'chaved up' car of the moment.

Also digging back to my VAG time is it not the K04a turbo which is the desirable one as I know that's what I was told to put in the Mk1 if I did the 1.8T swap,combined with new hard boost pipes,a FMIC and forge wastegate to replce the plastic one, so I'm guessing it wouldn't be too different for a mk4 with the 1.8T already in it.

[Tommo87]

WTF is with the double posts.

[Russ_16v]

i was thinking down pipe decat ,miltech exhaust ,uprated panel filtter, fmic,remap is this good for 230bhp?

then coilovers (or some decent springs and shock set up at 50mm) 18inch bbs replica rims and some good tyers

thanks for all the info every one has put in but i am going with the golf becaust last couple cars have being saxo ,saxo ,fiesta zetec s its time for me to grow up alittle bit

jamie


Thats a good setup to go for mate, i would say you would be pretty close to that, probably around 220 ish

Coilovers are good, but budget makes dont last too well on the heavier cars, i ran Avo coilovers on my MK3 VR6 and i had to have them rebuilt every 20k or so

[Jazz]

you can get a merc with ''more bhp'' and insurance would be roughtly the same.

more classy car, wont get called a boyracer or a chav, look more grown up,RWD,just as much fun to drive,better resale value.


Just as much fun to drive? Driven one lately? They're very dull to drive, most of the cars you're talking about come with a 4 or 5 speed automatic box, traction control which is near impossible to switch off, soft suspension and light steering. RWD counts for absolutely nothing when its set-up like this. As fun to drive as a 106 GTi? Unless bodyroll is your idea of fun, I think not.


you can get a toyota Mr2 Mk2 2.0litre 16 vavle with 170 bhp (non turbo) and with it been RWD it will put most if not every bit of bhp onto the tarmac where as the golf wont. and it wont handle aswell as an Mr2.


if your wanting a performance car then buy one! Golfs,106's etc are not performance cars unless they have had huge anounts of money spent on them ;).

True, but the OP is looking for a daily driver. His two selections are both 5 seater, reasonably economical, low-maintenance hatchbacks. So what's a mid-engined, two seater Jap coupe got to do with any of that? ;)

The main problem is the dead steering, something that all day to day VAG's suffer from unfortunately (mine included), not entirely sure they understand what detailed feedback is tbh. Maybe Porsche could send them an internal memo ....

In addition, the standard body control is abysmal, showing truly bad levels of roll & understeer. For the purposes of this conversation however, that can mostly be ignored due to the wonders of aftermarket modification; good suspension setup, coilovers, anti-roll bars, etc.

But no matter what you replace the suspension with, the steering will always be poor and that for me, is arguably the most important aspect of any car - knowing exactly what is going on under your wheels. You cannot push hard without all the information :n:

Interesting views about the steering feedback, but lets remember that these cars are not aimed at track-day enthusiasts or b-road warriors, but to a wider market, hence not always being so totally focussed. Yes they could offer more feedback, but having driven a fair few VAG's I wouldn't say they were that bad.

Body control being abysmal- in comparison to what? A track VTS? Of course, but wouldn't most things? We currently have an Octavia vRS Mk1 (typical VAG performance car), and I'd say its body control is rather good for what it is- but thats not comparing it to something focussed/track-biased, as it isn't itself. In comparison, a newer Vectra SRi 2.2 is what I'd call abysmal, hideous understeer on roundabouts, very soft and a totally vague chassis on any road surface I found. Made the vRS feel like a totally hardened driver's tool lol.

[gouldy87]

I think it's been a half decent car discussion! Better than most of the threads on Sax-P. :p

Genuine BBS = Hella Expensive.

yea it has mate for a change, its good to just have a conversation about things rather than getting hurled abuse at.

[gouldy87]

That was me mate, you need different arb's as when lowered you can knock the std ones, aftermarket ones fit differently so wont have that problem.


Iv known Dave a while off CS now, and trust what he says he has ALOT of experience with Golfs.

Also please bear in mind that a rolling road operator can make any car read what he wants, if you want 250 bhp, a ko3s will give you that, but it will be stretched to.

A k04 will get you over a genuine 300 bhp, if combined with a bigger intercooler out where they mount it as std (bloody stupid position) bigger injectors, downpipe + exhaust, and a decent map, but all this lot can cost upwards of £2000.

To get 210 bhp, in any 1.8T engine, you will need a decent exhaust and a remap, no problem there, but anyone saying they can get 220+ from a remap is pulling your leg, even the 180 bhp TT's, and Octavia vrs' which run AUQ engines with a ko3s and 180bhp as standard can realistically touch 210-220 with a map, you need a few more bits to reach 240, and over that the boys who know what they are doing jump right to a k04, for reliability as well as power

its about -50mm drop before the arbs catch on the drive shafts mate.

[VtsTom]

After looking at a few graphs of the k04 turbo onto the likes of the AUQ lump, im not keen. Power delivery looks very harsh with a small power band. If i was going to the bother of changing the turbo, it would without doubt be a IHI unit, yes more expensive but the power delivery and further options make up for the price

[wardy123]

golf everytime!!

[Predator_R32]

Nice didn't realise you had an R32. Supercharged? That must shift nicely! Got any pics/videos mate? Or even a progress thread?


oh i havent got it yet mate ill be getting it about june or july, will be supercharged by the time im finished though

[carter]

oh i havent got it yet mate ill be getting it about june or july, will be supercharged by the time im finished though

you must have some deep pockets pred! i would love to turbo/supercharge mine but i cant afford it, cheapest ive seen is around 6-7k for stage 1

[Predator_R32]

Oh it wont be right away but probablies a few years down the line, i have no debt, hardly go out drinking, im single ;) so money isnt a problem at the moment :)

sure ive seen some kits for 4k mark though, ill try and find the links there all on my old laptop, ive done a bit of research :)

[carter]

Oh it wont be right away but probablies a few years down the line, i have no debt, hardly go out drinking, im single ;) so money isnt a problem at the moment :)

sure ive seen some kits for 4k mark though, ill try and find the links there all on my old laptop, ive done a bit of research :)

ok cheers, there was a company in Bridgewater (somerset) who were advertising stage 1 for turbo for 5k, but the other tuning companys JBS, C2 and HPA said theres no way they could supply and fit the kit for that price. i think the kit comes into them at around 5k, and most places say they need the car for aleast a week so thats got to be a fair bit of labour on top.

if i came into a small amount of money i know what i would spend it on!

[Jay_]

jus sat and read all of this cos i couldnt understand how a new car decision had 7 pages....been a really good read! very interesting! and for the record....golf FTW!

[Russ_16v]

After looking at a few graphs of the k04 turbo onto the likes of the AUQ lump, im not keen. Power delivery looks very harsh with a small power band. If i was going to the bother of changing the turbo, it would without doubt be a IHI unit, yes more expensive but the power delivery and further options make up for the price



its all in the mapping mate, a good mapper makes the car behave how you want