205gti or saxo vtr/s which is better handling?

[hard_corejoeboy]

Just wondering what handles better really about the same or is there much difference between the two?

[Viper]

it depends on modifications to them, unless you are meaning from standard?

[CampDavid]

Handling is personal preferance, it's down to the driver.

I personally favour the 205, I think it has a little more feel. The Saxo is safer though and therefor won't kill you if you over step the mark (well, not as much as the 205)

[sir_dave]

What do you mean by 'better handling' exactly:

Steering feedback/feel/weight?
Lift off oversteer tendencies?
Mid corner adjustability?
Outright Grip?
Throttle Adjustability?
Resistance to understeer/oversteer/both?

Standard or modified?

:y:

[hard_corejoeboy]

Well i've put a £600 deposit down for a completely rebuilt vtr engine with loads of mods 135bhp+ Gonna cost over £3000 and then i've seen a 205 gti with awesome spec 230bhp turbo with bilstein suspension gti 6 brakes etc and is cheaper than my planned engine! and was just wondering if the handling will be better than my vtr with bilsteins.

[Ben]

I'd deffo get the 205 mate, especially if its turbo'd!

[Fezz_vtr]

3k on a vtr engine u mad?

[CampDavid]

You'd need to have crystal meth addiction to consider a £3k VTR lump unless it's for competition use

[raunchz]

Well i've put a £600 deposit down for a completely rebuilt vtr engine with loads of mods 135bhp+ Gonna cost over £3000 and then i've seen a 205 gti with awesome spec 230bhp turbo with bilstein suspension gti 6 brakes etc and is cheaper than my planned engine! and was just wondering if the handling will be better than my vtr with bilsteins.

would you not lose your £600 deposit if you bought the 205 ? Worth building this into your decision

£3k - seriously reconsider !

[hard_corejoeboy]

Its a mi 16 engine and wasn't sure if it would be as reliable as my vtr (which i think looks nicer) i don't want to spend all my weekends putting the 205 back together again lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

The VTR engine: Zero Miles, Rebuilt to the following spec , Heavy duty block. High compression pistons, New piston rings, New big end bearings, New Main bearings, sump gasket set, St3 gas flowed black top head. Kent Fast Road cam, Steel head gasket, HFH Vernier Pulley. Engine fully assembled & timed up, comes with powered coated cam cover. Only done 17 miles since full rebuild.

Also full supersprint system and 4-2-1 lightened and balanced flywheel, valeo clutch plus fitting etc

[Ashleyp]

for £600 you could buy a good vts engine and a few breathing mods / give it a service, and it'll be better than the £3000 vtr engine lol

modding 8v = pissing into the wind

[hard_corejoeboy]

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PEUGEOT 309 GTI, J reg , Miami Blue
FITTED WITH 3.0 V6 24V. 230BHP

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• 67,000 MILES ‘ES9J4’ PRIOR TO INSEPCTION
• SILKY SMOOTH ALL ALLOY ENGINE WITH STEEL CRANK
• LIGHTENED & BALANCED FLYWHEEL & CLUTCH COVER
• FITTED WITH NEW TIMING BELT & TENSIONERS
• NEW WATER PUMP
• CAM TIMING RESET ON STANDARD VERNIER PULLEYS

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• 1 YEARS MOT & 6 MONTHS ROAD TAX
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Fiat 20v Turbo Coupe. Speed Red in colour. 1999 Spec car , V reg
69,000 miles
225BHP

ENGINE SPEC:

• Recent replacement engine. Full leak down done prior to fitting.
• New clutch 15,000 miles ago
• New Turbo
• Turbo manifold just welded
• Turbo boost controller


CAR SPEC

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• New rear trailing arm for MOT
• Front to rear brake pipes for M
• New front Discs & pads for MOT
• New Track rod ends for MOT
• New Lower Arms (both sides) for MOT
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• 2 new front tyres + tracking done.
• New Clutch slave cylinder
• Brake Fluid change
• Pas Fluid change
• New Alternator belt

A VERY RARE CLAPEUGEOT 205 1.9 GTI , F reg Red
Now Fitted with 2200cc 406 8v Turbo Engine.

230BHP

ENGINE SPEC:

• REBORED HEAVY DUTY CAST IRON BLOCK
• LOW COMPRESSION CAST TURBO PISTONS
• ULTRA LONG STROKE KNIFE EDGED CRANK
• NEW PISTON RINGS
• T16 BIG ENDS
• T16 MAIN BEARINGS
• HP GTI-6 OIL PUMP
• POLISH RODS
• BALANCE PISTON/RODS/CRANK
• ALLOY BAFFLE SUMP
• COMP STEEL HEAD GASKET
• NEW TIMING BELT
• NEW WATER PUMP
• ENGINE FULL BUILT USING NEW GASKETS
• 406 TURBO ECU & LOOM RUNNING @ 12 PSI
• ST3 406 TURBO HEAD
• FAST ROAD CAM
• HFH VERNIER PULLEY

INDUCTION SYSTEM:

• HFH MAXI TORQUE INLET MANIFOLD KIT WITH OVERSIZE THROTTLE BODY.
• INDUCTION KIT
• 406 GT 25 TURBO
• FRONT MOUNTED INTERCOOLER
• SPORT EXHAUST SYSTEM

CAR SPEC

RED IN COLOUR
• RARE NON SUNROOF MODEL
• FRONT BUCKET SEATS
• CENTRAL LOCKING
• ELECTRIC WINDOWS
• BOOST GAUGE
• POWER STEERING
• REAR SEATS REMOVED & REAR HATCH AREA COVERED IN BLACK TRIM..
• REBURB 17” 5 SPOKE ALLOY PAINTED GRAPHITE GREY
• 1 YEARS MOT

SUSPENSION:

• REAR BEAMED LOWERED BY 40MM
• REAR BEAM RECENTLY REFURBISHED
• KONI TOP ADJUSTIBLE STRUTS
• 40MM FRONT LOWERING SPRINGS
• REAR BILSTEIN SHOCKS
• SOLID BUSH KIT ON REAR BEAM

BRAKES:

• NEW REAR DISCS & PADS & HANDBRAKE CABLES.
• 3G 300mm BRAKE KIT WITH GTI-6 CALIPERS
• BRAIDED HOSE KIT
• DOT 5.1 BRAKE FLUID

£3750.00

[sir_dave]

Put the crackpipe down.

Cancel your order. Buy a vts lump or get the 205 :y:

Links to those adds? Imho theres something wrong with all of them, and its not just the price.

[CampDavid]

For £3k you could have my whole car, a preditor ECU a BTB exhaust and a few hundred in the bank. That's an extra 20bhp and a whole car to put it in. Even has 4 pots. Winnnnnnnnnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[scot-ish]

that 309 gti mate

and im ny opinion, handless better than the 205

pends on your funds tho lol

Edit, v6 is a heavy lump, so dont know how it would handle with that

my mate had a bodied mi16 205. and it was awesome, tanked bodied vts a few times.

i love the 205's, and will have another

[hard_corejoeboy]

Ignore half of that the laptop im on won't let me select anything to delete lol its the £3750 205

[sir_dave]

A VERY RARE CLAPEUGEOT 205 1.9 GTI , F reg Red
Now Fitted with 2200cc 406 8v Turbo Engine.

230BHP

ENGINE SPEC:

• REBORED HEAVY DUTY CAST IRON BLOCK
• LOW COMPRESSION CAST TURBO PISTONS
• ULTRA LONG STROKE KNIFE EDGED CRANK
• NEW PISTON RINGS
• T16 BIG ENDS
• T16 MAIN BEARINGS
• HP GTI-6 OIL PUMP
• POLISH RODS
• BALANCE PISTON/RODS/CRANK
• ALLOY BAFFLE SUMP
• COMP STEEL HEAD GASKET
• NEW TIMING BELT
• NEW WATER PUMP
• ENGINE FULL BUILT USING NEW GASKETS
• 406 TURBO ECU & LOOM RUNNING @ 12 PSI
• ST3 406 TURBO HEAD
• FAST ROAD CAM
• HFH VERNIER PULLEY

INDUCTION SYSTEM:

• HFH MAXI TORQUE INLET MANIFOLD KIT WITH OVERSIZE THROTTLE BODY.
• INDUCTION KIT
• 406 GT 25 TURBO
• FRONT MOUNTED INTERCOOLER
• SPORT EXHAUST SYSTEM

CAR SPEC

RED IN COLOUR
• RARE NON SUNROOF MODEL
• FRONT BUCKET SEATS
• CENTRAL LOCKING
• ELECTRIC WINDOWS
• BOOST GAUGE
• POWER STEERING
• REAR SEATS REMOVED & REAR HATCH AREA COVERED IN BLACK TRIM..
• REBURB 17” 5 SPOKE ALLOY PAINTED GRAPHITE GREY
• 1 YEARS MOT

SUSPENSION:

• REAR BEAMED LOWERED BY 40MM
• REAR BEAM RECENTLY REFURBISHED
• KONI TOP ADJUSTIBLE STRUTS
• 40MM FRONT LOWERING SPRINGS
• REAR BILSTEIN SHOCKS
• SOLID BUSH KIT ON REAR BEAM

BRAKES:

• NEW REAR DISCS & PADS & HANDBRAKE CABLES.
• 3G 300mm BRAKE KIT WITH GTI-6 CALIPERS
• BRAIDED HOSE KIT
• DOT 5.1 BRAKE FLUID

£3750.00

Pictures? And links to ad?

[hard_corejoeboy]

No pics and i wouldn't want to send the link just yet till i've considered it..

[DimmaAngel]

Wanna buy a L.A.D 2.1 Dimma 205?

[SteveWC]

205 gti and 309 gti are some of the best handling FWD cars ever made, saxos are good but they definetly handle much better!

A mates VTS was no match for another mates 205 gti 1.6 8v round the lanes.

[KamRacing]

The 309 handles better than the 205. If you can get over the talbot styled looks the weight distribution front and rear is much better.
Personally I wouldnt be buying a modified 205 for more than £2k unless it was very special.

Kev