biggest bhp saxo

[tom130691]

whats the most powerfull you have seen still with the citreon engine

just looking on the cittuning site and they reckon they can get a vtr to 240bhp
using oversized pistons and re bore to 1800cc and then their turbo kit

http://www.cituninguk.com/serv_turbocharging.aspx

[J222JRA]

Its a 106 but................450bhp ish

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287699

[Chr15]

^ exactly what I was going to say.

Might be something hidden up in Europe somewhere.

[tom130691]

from that thread cranks good for 500 bhp

a guy i know his let out at 200:S

[Morgzc]

Its a 106 but................450bhp ish

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287699

Deans got a more powerful one. Running about 470 I think but he's going for more power now iirc, bloody mad!
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=62118

[aksaxovtr]

biggest bhp iv heard of with a saxo engine ;) was 200bhp

[Eskimo]

Deans got a more powerful one. Running about 470 I think but he's going for more power now iirc, bloody mad!
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=62118

Shame not 1 single picture works. .

[Jaytee]

Isn't there one well over 500bhp in turkey. Think the guy is on this site. Can't remember his name though.

[LeeM]

theres been a few 300+ on here hasnt there? there was a lad local to me who had 330bhp till it was written off :(

[Mr_P]

I know that Turkish one was running 400+. Can't find the thread..

[Jaytee]

theres been a few 300+ on here hasnt there? there was a lad local to me who had 330bhp till it was written off :(

Was it saxodaffy? That guys car was beautiful.

[LeeM]

Was it saxodaffy? That guys car was beautiful.

could have been, a white one?

[Jaytee]

Yer. Drunk driver in a rover wrote it off iirc?

[Bickerton]

But can they put the power down anywhere other than a dyno...

[Jaytee]

But can they put the power down anywhere other than a dyno...

The turkish seems to do it alright.

[K17NEY]

But can they put the power down anywhere other than a dyno...

nope!....

[Bickerton]

For the most part they seem to just spin when the boost kicks in, some have much better traction than others but still not great from what i have seen

[LSOfreak]

that bloke from turkey with the huge front wheels

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130557

[JamesR]

Isn't there one well over 500bhp in turkey. Think the guy is on this site. Can't remember his name though.

That is what i thought lol

[dannygti]

For the most part they seem to just spin when the boost kicks in, some have much better traction than others but still not great from what i have seen

bick, if you speak to colin from atspeed then he will tell you his 400bhp+ 106 turbo puts power down very well... its all about control really. if you were to put your foot down out of a slow corner with lots of lock on your car will just wheelspin. same goes for high powered turbo car, if you squeez throttle instead of stamping on it you shoulndt have too many problems.




most powerful i know of is turbo_saxo on here and colin's (atspeed) as when its been mapped at high boost it should be capable of 500bhp

[Bickerton]

bick, if you speak to colin from atspeed then he will tell you his 400bhp+ 106 turbo puts power down very well... its all about control really. if you were to put your foot down out of a slow corner with lots of lock on your car will just wheelspin. same goes for high powered turbo car, if you squeez throttle instead of stamping on it you shoulndt have too many problems.


Have done some reading up of his stuff etc, his was what i would class as one of the better ones at putting the power down, seems partly to having a gripper dif instead of an lsd like alot of others do.

Would happily run boost myself but the higher figures seem to be excessive

[dannygti]

Have done some reading up of his stuff etc, his was what i would class as one of the better ones at putting the power down, seems partly to having a gripper dif instead of an lsd like alot of others do.

Would happily run boost myself but the higher figures seem to be excessive

i know exactly what you mean. me personally would be happy with anything over 200bhp and lots of torque and that would make any saxo/106 bloody quick.

[Ryan]

deans is powerful (was till he stripped it to rebuild lol)

togers apparently peaked at 500ATW.

[Bickerton]

i know exactly what you mean. me personally would be happy with anything over 200bhp and lots of torque and that would make any saxo/106 bloody quick.

Indeed

[Harv]

togers apparently peaked at 500ATW.

Thats going to become a proper monster when he builds the new engine. God knows what power that will make!

[Mieran]

But can they put the power down anywhere other than a dyno...

Not sure on track but on drag strips there is FWD Vauxhalls that do 10 second 1/4 miles

[titchster]

Was toger's not said to be so powerful it was slipping on the rollers, so estimated?


Dean's is the most powerful TU lump I know of in the UK (especially after the rebuild), although out in Greece, as said, there's some crazy stuff.

[Ryan]

Dean's is the most powerful TU lump I know of in the UK (especially after the rebuild), although out in Greece, as said, there's some crazy stuff.

Togers got more power than deans by a long shot currently deans isnt built yet and toger made alot more than 371-379 ATW.

Both running mega sized turbos though, both great cars.

I know toger stated the other day that on the road it peaked at alot higher psi than what it was set to make X bhp at.

when speaking to dean about the rebuild he said DP have 1-2 cars running over 550, and they think 600 ATW is doable

[Tommo87]

Thread from the dead I know but how much does the finished engine actually resemble the original? I'm guessing you'd be looking at rebore,cast sleeves and fully forged everything?

How about the most powerful sax on stock sleeves?

[raunchz]

I was going ot say, there's saxo's in europe with easily over 500bhp atw

stock sleeves ? I'm wearing a T-shirt ?

The vts block doesn't have liners

[Princey_vts]

was a 480 bhp wit dyno print out on ebay a few months back. Think it was up for £14k. Most iv ever seen

[adamm]

theres been a few 300+ on here hasnt there? there was a lad local to me who had 330bhp till it was written off :(

i saw that wasnt it for sale at the time aswell 10k and was a special edition?

[Tommo87]

Fair play. That's some good numbers, think the most I've seen from a 1.6 was 605whp from a single cam 1.6 on stock sleeves.

[Aly]

i saw that wasnt it for sale at the time aswell 10k and was a special edition?

It was a San Remo edition.

[adamm]

It was a San Remo edition.

yeah was one hell of a tasty car shame some drunk twat wrote it of :(

[0rang3peel]

It was a San Remo edition.


hahahah

[04gallsopp]

a lad on the 106 owners called brent (pugpowa) has like the second fastest 106 in the country at 360 at the fly in 1st place tho is a bloke from atspeed called colin whos is like 450 bhp at the fly which is hideouse for a 1.6 http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/threads/147255-pugpowa-301bhp-and-titch308-278.9bhp-gtis?p=1584556

[atspeedracing]

The problem with power figures is they can sometimes be over inflated. He can say it made this much power on the dyno. And someone else can say well mine made twice that even tho they were the same engine with the same bits on etc. Another problem is horsepwer sell products. Engines, ecu's and other bolt on goodies. So if you have 2 engine builders selling "race tuned" 16v TU engines. Which one you going to go buy? The one with the most HP! So if one engine builder can adjust his dyno and correction figures to give a nice fat juice power figure he will sell more! And so the silly made up power figures begin.

Most chassis dyno's with computer acquisition software will read accurate wheel hp. But the figures can easily be messed around with. Converted flywheel power is another problem area. You cant work out accurate flywheel hp on a chassis dyno. It can be worked fairly close. But not 100% accurate. Driveline loss is around 20%. So if a flywheel figure is quoted. Knock off 20% and that will give wheel hp.

Also check the graph print outs. If torque (in ft lbs) and horsepower are on the same axis and are in the same scale then the torque and horsepower lines should cross at 5252rpm!!

If not then there may be some porkies somewhere!

Ian

So what im saying is dont belive every power figure you see.

[adamskiTNR]

That's a very precise figure. How come it is always at this point?

[-shuggles-]

theres a vts near me with 412 at the fly iirc gmc built it

[weetz]

Is the turkish 106 people are talking about the one with the extra speedo cluster on the passenger side dash? This one!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tv_INkd7eA)

Theres a 410bhp Cherry red 106 in the April 2010 issue of PFC.

[Maxwell]

Ryan is right. I spoke to the crazy dutch guy at DP Engineering and he told me of a greek one running 600bhp atw!

[raunchz]

Ryan is right. I spoke to the crazy dutch guy at DP Engineering and he told me of a greek one running 600bhp atw!

Imagine the lag with that.

4k.... 5k...... 6k....... 7k..... 7500 and then whoooooooooooooooooosh to the limiter (whatever it maybe !!)

[Aly]

Also check the graph print outs. If torque (in ft lbs) and horsepower are on the same axis and are in the same scale then the torque and horsepower lines should cross at 5252rpm!!


That's very interesting I'll look at mine!

Ah well this isn't mine it's from my mates old VTR:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/james06_album/Dynosheet2.jpg

I don't understand :wacko:

[atspeedracing]

A poster asked why it is that 5252 RPM that the bhp and torque lines cross.
BHP is a number that the bofins made up many years ago.
BHP=torqueXRPM divided by 5252.1131 (using foot pounds for torque). As "5252" is the only fixed number in the calculation, then this number must be the constant, so if you have a graph where the numbers are on the same axis it must cross at 5252.
The torque line on a graph should always be accurate, so if you make sure it is a wheel torque figure, you can work out your BHP yourself using the above formula. You can then see if the dyno calculations are in correct.
The graph above has the BHP on one side and the BHP on the other. In this case the lines will not cross at 5252.

[raunchz]

Ft lb and bhp are on different axis on the above dyno graph - hence not crossing at 5252

[Maxwell]

A poster asked why it is that 5252 RPM that the bhp and torque lines cross.
BHP is a number that the bofins made up many years ago.
BHP=torqueXRPM divided by 5252.1131 (using foot pounds for torque). As "5252" is the only fixed number in the calculation, then this number must be the constant, so if you have a graph where the numbers are on the same axis it must cross at 5252.
The torque line on a graph should always be accurate, so if you make sure it is a wheel torque figure, you can work out your BHP yourself using the above formula. You can then see if the dyno calculations are in correct.
The graph above has the BHP on one side and the BHP on the other. In this case the lines will not cross at 5252.

Colin you need a shag mate!!! hahaha

though at least your one of the few on the site who knows what they are on about...some dont have a fucking clue!

[atspeedracing]

Colin you need a shag mate!!! hahaha

though at least your one of the few on the site who knows what they are on about...some dont have a fucking clue!

Daddy Atspeed was the author of the technical post, not Colin.
;)

[Maxwell]

right you need to get a syndicate going at Atspeed mate! throw in a few quid a week and after a while, get an old "bobby moore" down to the unit and get the old man shagged! haha

[Caino]

the fella from Turkey has a beast

[Aly]

A poster asked why it is that 5252 RPM that the bhp and torque lines cross.
BHP is a number that the bofins made up many years ago.
BHP=torqueXRPM divided by 5252.1131 (using foot pounds for torque). As "5252" is the only fixed number in the calculation, then this number must be the constant, so if you have a graph where the numbers are on the same axis it must cross at 5252.
The torque line on a graph should always be accurate, so if you make sure it is a wheel torque figure, you can work out your BHP yourself using the above formula. You can then see if the dyno calculations are in correct.
The graph above has the BHP on one side and the BHP on the other. In this case the lines will not cross at 5252.

Ah I get what you mean thanks for clearing that up.
Can anyone else show an example of this.

[atspeedracing]

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/106-gti-colin/dynograph.jpg

this is an example of a graph from our dyno. appologies for low quality.

horsepower and torque (lb-ft) @wheels is shown on the left axis.

rpm across the bottom

"all other lines" on the right, e.g. AFR, BOOST, IAT etc.

the horsepower and torque lines cross at 5252 rpm because they are on the same axis and the same scale.

its also worth noting, some dyno graphs show torque at the wheels, but horsepower at the flywheel... which again will make them not cross at 5252.

- colin.

[atspeedracing]

Theres a 410bhp Cherry red 106 in the April 2010 issue of PFC.

thats my car

- colin.

[adamm]

wow i am completely lost now, colin you seem to be very knowledgable want to swap brains??

[adamskiTNR]

A poster asked why it is that 5252 RPM that the bhp and torque lines cross.
BHP is a number that the bofins made up many years ago.
BHP=torqueXRPM divided by 5252.1131 (using foot pounds for torque). As "5252" is the only fixed number in the calculation, then this number must be the constant, so if you have a graph where the numbers are on the same axis it must cross at 5252.
The torque line on a graph should always be accurate, so if you make sure it is a wheel torque figure, you can work out your BHP yourself using the above formula. You can then see if the dyno calculations are in correct.
The graph above has the BHP on one side and the BHP on the other. In this case the lines will not cross at 5252.

So where does 5252 originate from? What does it represent in the formula? Or is it just a constant. As i have used lots of different hp formula and never come across it

[SAXO8VYO]

thats my car

- colin.
i am on 106oc and i seen the other day that you had i think it was a lad called dean with a turbo 106 and it broke the 500bhp mark didnt it make 502bhp ? and by the way i love your car :):afro:

[bobbyd]

Not sure on track but on drag strips there is FWD Vauxhalls that do 10 second 1/4 miles

there was a tigra a while back at santa pod, with a let in it. that put down an 11 i think. so it can be controlled.

[tom130691]

there was a tigra a while back at santa pod, with a let in it. that put down an 11 i think. so it can be controlled.

speckys tigra does less than 10 now youtube it :y:

[Ryan]

is that the burnt orange tigra, saw it run at brunters if so.

Fing quick but sounded wank.

[scotthep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZmJVCSzEqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7dp1mS21w8&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtEnUcIJ44&NR=1


Not sure there all the same car they seem to be just at different stages though

Claimed to be 752 whp at the wheels

[Oc2]

collin from atspeedracing, 450-460 bhp 106

simos looking at 270 (?)

[SAXO8VYO]

collin from atspeedracing, 450-460 bhp 106

simos looking at 270 (?)

yeah but im sure when i was on there the other night they just finished mapping ect another 106turbo think his name is dean and username is
dean106 or something and they got his to 502bhp first uk 106 to break 500bhp i belive but when they took it to the pod they mapped it to like 400bhp to keep it under control

[Oc2]

yeah but im sure when i was on there the other night they just finished mapping ect another 106turbo think his name is dean and username is
dean106 or something and they got his to 502bhp first uk 106 to break 500bhp i belive but when they took it to the pod they mapped it to like 400bhp to keep it under control

fook me sideways :O

[tom130691]

is that the burnt orange tigra, saw it run at brunters if so.

Fing quick but sounded wank.

no speckys is blue

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e112/alexellson/Pod%2014th%20August/TT11.jpg

[Morgzc]

yeah but im sure when i was on there the other night they just finished mapping ect another 106turbo think his name is dean and username is
dean106 or something and they got his to 502bhp first uk 106 to break 500bhp i belive but when they took it to the pod they mapped it to like 400bhp to keep it under control

I met him at fcs, car was lush!

[Cammy]

colin @ atspeed is running 470+ bhp isnt he?

[Oc2]

colin @ atspeed is running 470+ bhp isnt he?


somthing beasty yeah ;)

[Nik_L]

Specky's Tigra is now offically the fastest FWD car in the UK thanks to a 9.86s pass @ 148mph.

[scot-ish]

Specky's Tigra is now offically the fastest FWD car in the UK thanks to a 9.86s pass @ 148mph.

not for long tho, there is a wee corsa C gunna be chasing that record this year.

[Nik_L]

not for long tho, there is a wee corsa C gunna be chasing that record this year.

I take it he's close to the 9s then??Havnt heard much of it tbh.And weve only got 2 months left of the year.

[dannygti]

colin @ atspeed is running 470+ bhp isnt he?

last time i spoke to colin he was ruuning around 340bhp@wheels but there was plenty of power to come. possibly around 380bhp@wheels, im sure he will correct me if im wrong.

Specky's Tigra is now offically the fastest FWD car in the UK thanks to a 9.86s pass @ 148mph.

i saw it at pod last week do a 10.1 and thats the fastest fwd uk car that ive ever seen.. it launches so well..good to hear he's dipped below the 10's

[Mieran]

Yep, the Tigra is now faster than CPL's Civic, vtec ftl :P

Hes been doing mid/high 10s for ages just recently his times improved a lot after some tweaking

[Mieran]

not for long tho, there is a wee corsa C gunna be chasing that record this year.

This?

http://www.vauxhallsportforum.com/phpBB2/700and-bhp-corsa-t14404.html