How Are Big Bikes Restricted To 33BHP??

[Ben3991]

Helloooooo,

Going to get a gsxr600 when im 18.

Obviously i need to restrict it to 33bhp first.

I know you can buy the restrcitor kits by im just wondering what exactly the kit is? like a rev limiter or something?


Thanks

[Gabbastard]

You better look forward to someone scraping you off the road.

[RichM]

Depends if it's carbs or injector. Carbs are restricted by washers that you put in and injectors is restricted by the ECU I think.

[JamesR]

Think it is something to do with making air inlets smaller, smaller jet sizes in the carb, washers etc

EDIT: Some can have throttle restrictions too iirc so you can't pull the throttle all the way back.

[Ben3991]

ok thanks rich, y would someone be scraping me off the road??

[Ben3991]

Thanks, relativley simple to 'unrestrict' then when i have had it for 2 years?

[RichM]

Thanks, relativley simple to 'unrestrict' then when i have had it for 2 years?

Pretty much yeah, remove tank, remove airbox, locate carburettors and take out washers. I'm guessing you're on about the older GSXR's with the carbs instead of injectors?

[Mattymcn]

mate ffs do not get a gixxer 6. as said. they will be scraping you off the road.

get a nice little 250 get used of throttle reponse and careful riding. when your 20. get a bandit 600. then when your 21. (no restriction) get yourself a gixxer 6 or yam r6.

you dont need the power!! do your advanced riding lessons, get good. then get the power

[Ben3991]

rich im not to sure, i think ill probably get a later model like 2003/4. And i hear to many people moan about 'youngsters' having to bigger bikes.

Im going to restrict it to what im allowed and will ride it responsibly. Its only a minority tht cause accidents. The way i see it is that if i go through the stages of 250cc then 400cc etc i will just be losing money on depreciation of bikes that i dont like or want anyway

[D4N91]

he may be used to riding bikes .... however wont insurance be a killer?

[claff]

if you can afford the gsxr insurance then get it if you want it, not worth pussying around with smaller bikes if you dont have to, they are all extremely dangerous anyway at least if you ride them so.

[gazwhittle]

have you help a full uk motocycle licence (cnt remeber the number) for 2 years?

you have to of had a full uk motocycle licence from 17 for 2 years to ride any bike above 13hp to 33hp if you have only just passed your tast and or are on a provisional you limited to a 125 with 13hp

[Bickerton]

Hey this is like the !i just past my test and want a vts" thread that regularly pops up aint it ;)

[Ben3991]

the insurance isnt that bad, im going to do my test etc when 17, buy the bike at the end of this year so it will be cheaper (going into winter etc) and start riding when 18. £450 for the year

[gazwhittle]

A1


Light motorcycles with an engine size of up to 125 cc and a power output of up to 11 kW (14.6 bhp) From age 17

A


Medium-sized motorcycles up to 25 kW (33 bhp) and a power to weight ratio of up to 0.16 kW/kg From age 17 when held licence for 2 years..

[gazwhittle]

the insurance isnt that bad, im going to do my test etc when 17, buy the bike at the end of this year so it will be cheaper (going into winter etc) and start riding when 18. £450 for the year

why do you own a vt* if your only 16?

[Mattymcn]

nah bic this is the matter between a young lad being sensible and "pussying" around and keeping is life or having the bike of his dreams just passed his test and a young life being taken.

my dad was a bike instructor for BSM before they went bust. too many lads at 18 going "i want to do my test and get a yamaha R1 so i can do wheelies and stunts like in music video's"

[D4N91]

you can do a restricted access course when 17 as long as you have passed a cbt, which allows you to ride anything upto 33bhp for two years then any bike after the two years

[Gabbastard]

My mate had an Aprilia 250 (i think it was), and that was pretty quick, but the handling was amazing. Really light so easy to fling about.

As Matty said, you really dont need a gixxer yet. Chances are, like car drivers, youll have an accident in your first year or two riding, so why do it in a pretty decent bike, possibly going pretty f'ing fast.

Where I stay is a big draw for bikers, and theres loads of young guys buy it every summer riding 600cc+ bikes.

[LeeM]

a mate of mine has had big bikes since he was 18. started on a gsxr, none of his bikes were restricted (i dont expect people to start goin on about the legalities of this, its nothing to do with me) he had one accident on the gsxr when someone pulled out on him, he walked away ok luckily and got a payout from insurance, which hes used to by bandit 600's and a daytona 900 with no accidents since.

[JamesR]

It's the same as a car, if you know your limits then it is ok. You can't just say "It's a 600 you will die" that is just being nieve, if he takes care and doesnt go past his limit then there isn't a problem. It's ust when people think there Valentino Rossi when there not they run into trouble. If he wanted to he could just ride the Gixxa at 30-40mph and accelerate slowly. Powerful bikes don't always mean high speeds and death lol

[D4N91]

It's the same as a car, if you know your limits then it is ok. You can't just say "It's a 600 you will die" that is just being nieve, if he takes care and doesnt go past his limit then there isn't a problem. It's ust when people think there Valentino Rossi when there not they run into trouble. If he wanted to he could just ride the Gixxa at 30-40mph and accelerate slowly. Powerful bikes don't always mean high speeds and death lol

very true :y: people always seem to jump to conclusions when you mention lads around 18 to 21 ish with something powerful :( the conclusion normally seems to be you're going to wreck it or death

[claff]

unlike in a car, in a bike main danger is people in cars not seeing you which will happen no matter how fast the bike is, if your thinking "what if" then probably best to stick with cars where at least you have a few inches of metal and an airbag between you and the thing you hit

[blackie_2k5]

totally dependant on bike and age for how its restricted, few of the more common (again dependant on bike and age) are: ecu/cdi restrictions, throttle slide restrictions, exhaust restrictions, throttle assy restrictions, some easy to remove ecu or electronic limiter not so easy, when insuring you MUST provide the insurer with a certificate, from a liscensed garage to prove the bike of choice has been restricted,
IMO there isno point buying a big bike like that and having it restricted, one theyre espensive, two it costs you to restrict it, three the insurance would be alot more then that of a bike with that power standard, four you look a right tit on a gsxr6 screaming its tits of throg the gears doing half the speed it should, five its alot more awkward to ride (youd get used to it but its pants) due to the extra size and weight then restricted power
and finally the reason its restricted is to make you used to it, youll gt alot more from say a full power rs125 or an rs250 theyre light, nimble, quick, decnt to look at, easy to get used to, etc etc, then wen you can you sell it and buy your unrestricted gixxa, alot more fun, a new bike, youve gotten used to a smaller bike and now upgraded to a new toy, up to you mate but it pointless IMO

[baker556]

just get an aprillia rs125 their quick for what they are, don't need much more.

[Tontsy]

when i ws 17 i was riding a 1300 and fuck the restriction! none of bikes have been restricted. . . it dont matter what the power is, even if its restricted to 33bhp its still going to go like fuck! but if your a cunt, you will have an accident, simple. if your not, your less likly!

as said by Richm carb are washers, about an hours job to remove if you dont know what your doing tbh.
if its injectors, its a power band chip which controles the ammount of bhp output...you take it out and you are unrestricted!

by how are on you bikes anyway?
i think something like a GSXR 600 SRAD is a good bike for learners, as they arnt too poerfull, still handle fairly well, just abit heavy! and the power is Mid range, so you dont need to thrash it to get performance from it. but after a month, u will want too, because you will want more power.
i used to have one . . . then got an R6 afterwards, now that thing shifted on the open roads! that needs thrashing all the time!

[Tontsy]

just get an aprillia rs125 their quick for what they are, don't need much more.

i can piss faster than one of those!
dont get one . . .too much money for what they are, they LACK in performance for what they are too...a lad in town bragged about hsi 122mph top end on his... and how he could keep up with my RAD! wasnt bragging when i went past him on one wheel, speeds over 120, whilst he couldnt budge over 90!

they sound like utter piss! everytime i hear a 2 stroke L plated bike, i want to ram the cunt off the road!
because they all ride like wankers thinking they own the place!

[Ben3991]

I agree mainly with tonto and saxo_vtr. Firstly people jump to conclusions, of course i enjoy the thirlls of a bike but there is a time and a place and it shouldnt be done every second on the bike. I personally think that 'cruisin' at 30mph on a bike is more enjoyable than cruiin at 30mph in a car. Its just me.

And i think it is best to get a big bike to begin with. at the end of the day it will save money in the long run.

btw i hav a vtr as it came up cheap lol and insurance was no difference than a 1.1 :P

[baker556]

i can piss faster than one of those!
dont get one . . .too much money for what they are, they LACK in performance for what they are too...a lad in town bragged about hsi 122mph top end on his... and how he could keep up with my RAD! wasnt bragging when i went past him on one wheel, speeds over 120, whilst he couldnt budge over 90!

they sound like utter piss! everytime i hear a 2 stroke L plated bike, i want to ram the cunt off the road!
because they all ride like wankers thinking they own the place!

and this is why you are a 'boyracer' and give motorcyclists a bad name along with saxo's.

why get a bike that can do 120mph, this guys a learner, a 2 stroke rs125 is quick enough, im sure an experienced biker could of given you a run for your money on one of these round the twisties ;)

[JamesR]

A aprilia RS250 can still make 70hp and do 0-60 in 4 seconds. Aswell as a top speed of 130mph+. Why you would need anything more powerful i don't know, just paying more for something you can't fully use.

[Tommo87]

Pointless IMO, it's like buying an Evo and saying 'Yeah I've got an Evo but it's restricted to 90BHP.' totally pointless and shit IMO get a light nimble bike to start and then get the Gixxer in two years.

I had nice cars at 18/19 53plate 1.8t MK4, 57plate 2.0 GTTDI MK5 and a MK1 GTI but tbh I regret it a bit now and wish I'd waited as I never used them to their full potential where now I drive a 92 plate 1.6 Civic and I love it as I have learnt to use it properly. So I'd start on something smallish and work up learning to use each to it's full potential.

[Tommo87]

Pointless IMO, it's like buying an Evo and saying 'Yeah I've got an Evo but it's restricted to 90BHP.' totally pointless and shit IMO get a light nimble bike to start and then get the Gixxer in two years.

I had nice cars at 18/19 53plate 1.8t MK4, 57plate 2.0 GTTDI MK5 and a MK1 GTI but tbh I regret it a bit now and wish I'd waited as I never used them to their full potential where now I drive a 92 plate 1.6 Civic and I love it as I have learnt to use it properly. So I'd start on something smallish and work up learning to use each to it's full potential.

[claff]

dont think i know of anyone with a bike that actuall restricted their bike when they should have been limited.. its not something old bill can check on the side of the road and most of them dont have a clue on this law anyway.

plus all the restrictor is is a washer usually, easily taken out

[Ben3991]

how would you get the certificate to give to the insurance then?

[LWS_71]

Some are restricted in the carbs, Some just have a plug in ECU and it can also be done by restricting the throttle. Just depends on the bike mate.

[tobomoto]

totally dependant on bike and age for how its restricted, few of the more common (again dependant on bike and age) are: ecu/cdi restrictions, throttle slide restrictions, exhaust restrictions, throttle assy restrictions, some easy to remove ecu or electronic limiter not so easy, when insuring you MUST provide the insurer with a certificate, from a liscensed garage to prove the bike of choice has been restricted,
IMO there isno point buying a big bike like that and having it restricted, one theyre espensive, two it costs you to restrict it, three the insurance would be alot more then that of a bike with that power standard, four you look a right tit on a gsxr6 screaming its tits of throg the gears doing half the speed it should, five its alot more awkward to ride (youd get used to it but its pants) due to the extra size and weight then restricted power
and finally the reason its restricted is to make you used to it, youll gt alot more from say a full power rs125 or an rs250 theyre light, nimble, quick, decnt to look at, easy to get used to, etc etc, then wen you can you sell it and buy your unrestricted gixxa, alot more fun, a new bike, youve gotten used to a smaller bike and now upgraded to a new toy, up to you mate but it pointless IMO


sorry, i beg to differ. i was NEVER asked for any sort of restriction certificate and when i asked EVERY insurance company if they wanted to see one (which i didnt have) every one said 'na, dont worry about it mate'. some didnt even know what i was on about. a mate had a bike which he restricted and when he crashed the insurance company asked if it was restricted, but didnt want to see the certificate, they just payed out for it.
on a different note why do bikes have to be restricted and cars dont? if you have enough money theres nothing stopping a 17 year old driving a ferrari. it makes me think that most of the time bikers make better car drivers because they are more aware of what could happen if they give it too much throttle, and as such have more respect for the power they have in either car or bike.

[Ben3991]

I was thinking the same, as i have obviuosly been lookin at insurance quotes on the internet and none of them mention the certificate. And i strongly agree about cars not being restricted!

[Asherz86]

carbed bikes = washer in the carbs or throttle restriction

injection = ecu,throttle pin

personally no point doing it unless you go out thinkin your ben spies you wont get pulled and police WILL NOT take your bike down to the local bike shop to have it dyno`d i was riding a r6 and azx6r 636 whilst still restricted you just need to know were you can open her up and were you cannot.

btw you will get anally raped on a gixxer especially at 18 unless your talking about getting a srad. but if your on about k6 onwards have the lube at the ready.

i`m 23 have 3 points and a bike theft on my policy and i`m still paying shade over £300 which is expensive considering before the theft was added to my policy i was only payin £200


anyway be a man and get a twin a sp1 (y)

[JamesR]

carbed bikes = washer in the carbs or throttle restriction

injection = ecu,throttle pin

personally no point doing it unless you go out thinkin your ben spies you wont get pulled and police WILL NOT take your bike down to the local bike shop to have it dyno`d i was riding a r6 and azx6r 636 whilst still restricted you just need to know were you can open her up and were you cannot.

btw you will get anally raped on a gixxer especially at 18 unless your talking about getting a srad. but if your on about k6 onwards have the lube at the ready.

i`m 23 have 3 points and a bike theft on my policy and i`m still paying shade over £300 which is expensive considering before the theft was added to my policy i was only payin £200


anyway be a man and get a twin a sp1 (y)


Even paying £1000 isn't that much, considering a 1.1 Saxo could cost a lot more than that, and the Saxo can't do 160mph+ and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds lol

[SaxoVTR2008]

Asherz.. Im 18 on an R6 (probably the most expensive 600 to insure) paying £700 fully comp for the year.. Thats not exspensive, about being scraped off the road.. Aslong as you are not an idiot you are fine.. I got a zxr400 as soon as i passed my test and sold it within the first month that I got it.. Just because I got bored with the power quickly.. Now i am on the r6 and have been for a year now, ( i got the r6 when i was 17 ) It hasn't been restricted (yes its illegal, sue me) but its all well!

[tobomoto]

carbed bikes = washer in the carbs or throttle restriction

injection = ecu,throttle pin

personally no point doing it unless you go out thinkin your ben spies you wont get pulled and police WILL NOT take your bike down to the local bike shop to have it dyno`d i was riding a r6 and azx6r 636 whilst still restricted you just need to know were you can open her up and were you cannot.

btw you will get anally raped on a gixxer especially at 18 unless your talking about getting a srad. but if your on about k6 onwards have the lube at the ready.

i`m 23 have 3 points and a bike theft on my policy and i`m still paying shade over £300 which is expensive considering before the theft was added to my policy i was only payin £200


anyway be a man and get a twin a sp1 (y)

be a man with a twin? meh, be a man with this beastie! (yes, i worked there for a bit). http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/05/10/radial-engine-powered-motorcycle/

[JonCarter]

Helloooooo,

Going to get a gsxr600 when im 18.

Obviously i need to restrict it to 33bhp first.

I know you can buy the restrcitor kits by im just wondering what exactly the kit is? like a rev limiter or something?


Thanks

Its a CDI restrictor, its basically a rev limiter, it limits the revs to a set range i.e 4k and tops the power by dulling/reducing the power to the spark plug.

JonCarter

[Cammy]

ill cover this as i am a biker

Carbed Bikes (non fuel injected, you'd tell this easily due to having a fuel switch on the right to flood more fuel into it to start it up)

Carbed bikes are restricted Via a washer, its about £85 to fit, and take off, you can take it off if you like as most do - but the ban if caught is 5 years, the bike will easily still hit 140

FI (fuel injected)

These bikes are limited by the ECU, from experience the Daytona 675 uses that, bassicly its just a remap to not put in as much fuel, but you'd easily get that undone, im unsure weather you could take it anywhere to get un-done

0-60 is only about 1 second off the normal time without restrictors, so just a few seconds for 0-60, 125's wont keep up with you either ;)

The only problem is, is when pulling wheelies with a restricted bike, its much harder as you need to give it some ammount of throttle more as you dont get a full turn of throttle, its more like 65%

[Ben3991]

ok, so you definitley dont need to show insurance companies the certificate? has anyone had to before?

[SaxoVTR2008]

I had to show a certificate before but apparently you don't have to..

[Ben3991]

ok, how long ago was that? btw, is that ur bike as ur pic, looks lush :P

[RichM]

In regards to getting a restriction certificate, insurers won't ask for it all the time, I've never been asked for it but do have the certificate for it though but don't need to provide it anyway as my licence is now unrestricted.

[bullit]

A1


Light motorcycles with an engine size of up to 125 cc and a power output of up to 11 kW (14.6 bhp) From age 17

A


Medium-sized motorcycles up to 25 kW (33 bhp) and a power to weight ratio of up to 0.16 kW/kg From age 17 when held licence for 2 years..

i think my bro bike is 175bhp lol

[gazwhittle]

i can piss faster than one of those!
dont get one . . .too much money for what they are, they LACK in performance for what they are too...a lad in town bragged about hsi 122mph top end on his... and how he could keep up with my RAD! wasnt bragging when i went past him on one wheel, speeds over 120, whilst he couldnt budge over 90!

they sound like utter piss! everytime i hear a 2 stroke L plated bike, i want to ram the cunt off the road!
because they all ride like wankers thinking they own the place!

tbh sound like a cunt, lost my uncle around 6months ago when another biker (his mate) lost control doing 100+ trying to catch him from the lights his bike slid into my uncles who was doing 40mph knocked him into a oncoming car.

attitudes like that piss me off !!

at the end of the day the law limits what you can ride for a reason and its to stop young nieve teens reaching 60+.....

[baker556]

tbh sound like a cunt, lost my uncle around 6months ago when another biker (his mate) lost control doing 100+ trying to catch him from the lights his bike slid into my uncles who was doing 40mph knocked him into a oncoming car.

attitudes like that piss me off !!

at the end of the day the law limits what you can ride for a reason and its to stop young nieve teens reaching 60+.....

exactly !

Why get such a quick bike with no experience.

An rs125 is going to be quick enough for this lad, their quicker than a vts to 60...

[tuft]

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but:
To my understanding as Im over 21 I can do a direct access course where I get my full license in a week which permits me to ride any bike. would a 600 be too much or would I get bored of a 400 quickly? what would be the best choice?

[Dannynott]

well i my self am 20 and been on 125s since 17, and now got a restricted bandit 650, tbh used it unrestricted a couple o times, and decidded that why not just wait till restriction runs out, be totally legal and then unleash the bikes full potential when the time comes.

about the 400, ive riden a unrestrited 400 and they are fun since there alot lighter than a 600, but if your buying new, suzuki give away free restricter kits with certain bikes anyway, so just ride it restricted untill you get bored, that way your already going to be confident with the way the bike feels before going stuppid mph anyway, plus who needs to go above 70mph in england anyway thats the speed limit, sure pop 100 now and again but just enjoy the ride and concentrate on how smooth you can ride it and how fast you can SAFELY pass the car infront ;)

also certificate of restriction... very good idea to have one, mate o mine got pulled last summer and had to produce it at a police station.

also anyone know if adding and aftermarket exhaust will effect the restriction ? there supposed to add a few bhp but wondering if the ecu will balance it ut, doubt itd be questions really ?

[gazwhittle]

well i my self am 20 and been on 125s since 17, and now got a restricted bandit 650, tbh used it unrestricted a couple o times, and decidded that why not just wait till restriction runs out, be totally legal and then unleash the bikes full potential when the time comes.

about the 400, ive riden a unrestrited 400 and they are fun since there alot lighter than a 600, but if your buying new, suzuki give away free restricter kits with certain bikes anyway, so just ride it restricted untill you get bored, that way your already going to be confident with the way the bike feels before going stuppid mph anyway, plus who needs to go above 70mph in england anyway thats the speed limit, sure pop 100 now and again but just enjoy the ride and concentrate on how smooth you can ride it and how fast you can SAFELY pass the car infront ;)

also certificate of restriction... very good idea to have one, mate o mine got pulled last summer and had to produce it at a police station.

also anyone know if adding and aftermarket exhaust will effect the restriction ? there supposed to add a few bhp but wondering if the ecu will balance it ut, doubt itd be questions really ?

exactly what have you got to look forward for if you get a 600cc bike at 17?

[Lew_C]

Im defo gonna get a bike on the road soon, ive been riding since ive been 12 and insurance on a restricted R6 is nearly 4X cheaper than the saxo TPFT, no brainer lol

[tuft]

Im defo gonna get a bike on the road soon, ive been riding since ive been 12 and insurance on a restricted R6 is nearly 4X cheaper than the saxo TPFT, no brainer lol

is bike insurance generally cheaper then? would be looking at doing my direct access so wouldnt have any experience when it came to insuring 1. Im assuming 2years NCB on a car license doesnt count when getting bike insurance?

[Ben3991]

Surely u will only get pulled if ur riding like a pilliac in stupid places. As i say, theres a time and place

[Cutz]

is bike insurance generally cheaper then? would be looking at doing my direct access so wouldnt have any experience when it came to insuring 1. Im assuming 2years NCB on a car license doesnt count when getting bike insurance?

A lot cheaper, i could of took my test for restricted use and had an R6 etc for around £500 fully comp, compared to my £2100 on car lol

Cutz

[Juggyluggs]

Hi as i currently have a yammy yzf r125 and find that a great laugh untill i sort my licence out to be honest even just buying a cheap 125 just to run about on for a few months, till you get used to a bike cus getting a big 600 is a massive difference in a 125 and so you will try and ride the 600 like a 125 which in most cases doesnt bold well for many folk.

But if you own stupidity makes you buy a 600 then thats your daft fault, yes you may say ill be able to handle the power, but dont forget that a 600 has around the same power as a vts but at a fraction of the weight and so will blitz many supercars of the line, and as a first bike i would be more inclined to choose a 400 as that is a gradual climb.

[SaxoVTR2008]

Well if anyone wants a 400 to start on ive got a nice 400 sitting in my garage for sale ;) PM ME!! lol and the r6 will be for sale in a couple of months time! I'd say start on a 400..