Yokohama AD08. Brand New track/road tyre

[SaxoAL]

Anyone heard of these yet? Supposedly better than Toyo R888's

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/SaxoAL/YokoAD08.jpg

I've had a set of these on mine for a few hundred miles now, just to rate them for Yokohama and to say I'm very impressed is an understatement! Having searched around for a semi track/road tyre for a while I was considering going for the Paradas, but Yokohama suggested these a little while ago and I was happy to wait. And I'm glad I did!

Just persuaded my boss to order a few sets in for stock also, so I will be purchasing a set for mine for sure :y:

[raunchz]

how much are they a tyre ?

195/45/15 ?

[SaxoAL]

Just in 195/50's like the Parada and the R888's.

These are around £80 a tyre delivered. (obviously cheaper when you buy more, 2/4 etc - cheaper carriage)

I think thats cheaper than R888's and from what I've read, these perform alot better too.

[raunchz]

not a bad price tbh - what sort of price we looking at for 4x 195/50/15 delivered?

How about 195/55/15's price delivered ?

[raunchz]

Just read a few reviews online and they seem to get a relatively good write-up

[SaxoAL]

Well I've just paid for my 4, came to £305 delivered to me.

195/55 is a listed tyre, but even Yoko are unsure if they are going to bring it in to the UK just yet.

Well, like I say, I did about 350miles in the last few weeks to try a set out. And I've thrown it about alot, used it in the rain and the dry and I could not fault them. Defo had to order myself a set. Even if I have to buy myself a different set of wheels to swap over. lol

[Liam_]

I think Toyo do something similar now as well - Toyo R1R I think they're called? Something between T1R's and R888's.

[Ashleyp]

I think Toyo do something similar now as well - Toyo R1R I think they're called? Something between T1R's and R888's.

Nothing like a T1r in actual fact, although you are correct as thats what they were thought of as.

i have a set of both in my garage and the difference is quite large.

R1R's have the medium R888 compound. they have stiff sidewalls and stiff tyre face due to the construction. theyre just an R888 with more water channels.

People said in the past that T1R's have stiff sidewalls, that is a joke in all honesty lol

£305 for the new yoko's is a good price. theyre pretty highly rated over in the US / Jap. R888's are a rip off. i certainly wouldnt have bought toyo's if i'd have to have paid full price for them

[raunchz]

Nothing like a T1r in actual fact, although you are correct as thats what they were thought of as.

i have a set of both in my garage and the difference is quite large.

R1R's have the medium R888 compound. they have stiff sidewalls and stiff tyre face due to the construction. theyre just an R888 with more water channels.

People said in the past that T1R's have stiff sidewalls, that is a joke in all honesty lol

+1 - just fitted some dunlop 'track tyres' (formula-R's iirc) in a 55 profile, and the sidewall is hugely stiffer than the T1R in a 45 profile

[SaxoAL]

Well these seem to have fairly stiff sidewalls on the, and I've been able to throw the car in to some hard corner and roundabouts and it hasn't moved much. Road noise is far less than my Toyos too which is spot on :y:

[Ashleyp]

You got any more links to them al? for some more info

all ive read is small reviews from US forums

[raunchz]

You got any more links to them al? for some more info

all ive read is small reviews from US forums

I just read a couple of reviews on m3/cayman forums plus a couple of random reviews

[adamskiTNR]

Where did you purchase yours from?

[raunchz]

I'd guess the company in his sig !?

[Toad]

The tread pattern looks very road 'esque as opposed to track. r888's have very little tread in comparsion.

[Aron]

How can you compare Pardas and R888's? They are completely different. Thes Pardas are a brillinat road tyre but is average on track where as a R888 is a track tyre and needs allot of heat to work correctly.

So are these a semi-slick or are they a road tyre?

[Toad]

The central tread lines running all through the middle make me believe it's a road tyre...

[SaxoAL]

You got any more links to them al? for some more info

all ive read is small reviews from US forums

Yokohama website - small write up (http://www2.yokohama-online.com/gb/latest-news.php?groupID=267&newsID=36712)

Also they told me the Civic guys love them, so check their forums possibly.
Europe and USA have had this tyre alot longer than us, so thats where most of the reviews are coming from at the moment.

Where did you purchase yours from?

I work at R-Tec mate.

How can you compare Pardas and R888's? They are completely different. Thes Pardas are a brillinat road tyre but is average on track where as a R888 is a track tyre and needs allot of heat to work correctly.

So are these a semi-slick or are they a road tyre?

Completely road legal mate.

I was more interested in the Paradas over the R888's as they would last better with abuse on the road. But from reviews, it seems that these AD08's are outlasting R888's when used on road and track.

[SaxoAL]

Perfect write up. Very detailed (http://forums.evolutionm.net/service-parts-tuning-review/385918-new-advan-neova-ad08-track-tested.html)

Quote: "the AD08's are the fastest street tires out there.. period. "

interesting technical info on AD08 tyre (http://www.yrc-pressroom.jp/english/html/200811415tr001.html)

[iw_laurence]

How can you compare Pardas and R888's? They are completely different. Thes Pardas are a brillinat road tyre but is average on track where as a R888 is a track tyre and needs allot of heat to work correctly.

So are these a semi-slick or are they a road tyre?


888's work as they should at very low temperatures and heat up very quickly, i am using 888's as road tyres and they are superb apart from puddles...

:)

[raunchz]

Perfect write up. Very detailed (http://forums.evolutionm.net/service-parts-tuning-review/385918-new-advan-neova-ad08-track-tested.html)

Quote: "the AD08's are the fastest street tires out there.. period. "

interesting technical info on AD08 tyre (http://www.yrc-pressroom.jp/english/html/200811415tr001.html)

Love the in care video with the Evo

[SaxoAL]

888's work as they should at very low temperatures and heat up very quickly, i am using 888's as road tyres and they are superb apart from puddles...

:)

Far more rain channels on AD08 so much better in the wet. :y:

[Ashleyp]

Far more rain channels on AD08 so much better in the wet. :y:

but unless the AD08's are road legal track tyres. you cant compare the two

from what i see, they appear to be very good fast road tyres. much like the hankook Rs2 and suited to both track and road as opposed to r888's which are designed to be track tyres.

after reading the yoko website, they dont claim to be a track tyre. Instead call it "their strongest road tyre" so a comparison to R888's which are from toyo's motorsport range is invalid

I was more interested in the Paradas over the R888's as they would last better with abuse on the road. But from reviews, it seems that these AD08's are outlasting R888's when used on road and track.

they do seem to be a very decent VFM fast road tyre from reading those links. but not being an R compound, who knows how they will hold up during a whole day of track... something that the hankooks are said to suffer with after half a track day is getting too hot due to them not being an R compound

logically thinking, the r888's would hold up far better with track abuse as thats what theyre designed for, and thus last longer. Obv the toyo's softer compound would suffer more on the roads though

[Toad]

I had a feeling they weren't track tyres...

[joehow12]

Ash i always thought and have been told that the R of A048r meant that they where road legal.

As far as i am aware you can get A048's without this and they are not road legal. With the A048's older brother the A032 i believe it was they where available in both legal and non road legal forms.

[SaxoAL]

Just like the Parada isn't a track tyre, but a lot of people use it on track, as a cheaper alternative to the R888's.

From the review given on the link above, it seems as if the AD08's have held up very well on track and price wise, surely people will be more inclined to buy these over the R888's seeing as they are intended for use on road also. I know I'd want my tyres to last a little longer than a few thousand if using it on road and track. I'm not lucky enough to have 2 or 3 sets of wheels currently I'm afraid. Wish I could!

[paulydixon]

The prospect of 50 profile tyres on a saxo/106 still seems alien to me. People will argue "track this and track that" but fuck that, 50 profiles didn't wash 7 years ago, and i still think they don't now.

[stevosvts]

Ive always thought that about the 50 profile tyres. went on a track day and when we looked at the photos it was unbeliveble the amount of flex in the tyre wall. I will be using my goodyear F1's on the track next time I cant be bothered paying £80+ per tyre

[Ashleyp]

Ash i always thought and have been told that the R of A048r meant that they where road legal.

As far as i am aware you can get A048's without this and they are not road legal. With the A048's older brother the A032 i believe it was they where available in both legal and non road legal forms.

From my understanding joe, the R stood for "race" or "track" as in the compound used. either way, the AD08's arent a tyre using a track compound, just a very sticky road compound

Just like the Parada isn't a track tyre, but a lot of people use it on track, as a cheaper alternative to the R888's.

From the review given on the link above, it seems as if the AD08's have held up very well on track and price wise, surely people will be more inclined to buy these over the R888's seeing as they are intended for use on road also. I know I'd want my tyres to last a little longer than a few thousand if using it on road and track. I'm not lucky enough to have 2 or 3 sets of wheels currently I'm afraid. Wish I could!

you cant compare parada's and r888's though. theyre for completely different applications.

they may hold up very well on a short track session, but not being a track compound, theyre almost certain to deteriorate over the course of a track day, something the likes of r888's wont do (or at least not as much, depending on the compound in use).

I completely agree with your point though, of if you need one set of tyres for all jobs than something like this or the hankook Rs2 is needed for a nice mixture of both road and track. A lot of people do say though that r888's are fine for road use. In all honesty i think i'd go for the kumho V70a's for a set of tyres though over these. (of course, ive not used either so basing that completly on reviews)

These do appear to be good for the price. will be intresting to hear more of what you think about them :)

The prospect of 50 profile tyres on a saxo/106 still seems alien to me. People will argue "track this and track that" but fuck that, 50 profiles didn't wash 7 years ago, and i still think they don't now.

can you get track tyres in 45 profile? i've only ever seen 50's.

[Toad]

Ive always thought that about the 50 profile tyres. went on a track day and when we looked at the photos it was unbeliveble the amount of flex in the tyre wall. I will be using my goodyear F1's on the track next time I cant be bothered paying £80+ per tyre

No problem with flexing. Track tyres have much thicker walls than road tyres. Using this as a reason to not buy track tyres is rediculous. The performance increase from using proper rubber is not to be sniffed at.

[Ashleyp]

No problem with flexing. Track tyres have much thicker walls than road tyres. Using this as a reason to not buy track tyres is rediculous. The performance increase from using proper rubber is not to be sniffed at.

And track tyres have a completely different construction, i know for instance that the toyo motorsport range uses a steel construction to add stiffness.

i can push the sidewalls / tyre face in easily with one finger on a set of T1R's. but if pushing my whole hand on the sidewall of the R1R's it doesnt budge atall

thats before you even consider the grip levels of track rubber over road tyres...

Should be good to hear aron's views on this. he's the most knowledgeable guy i know of regarding this

[stevosvts]

No problem with flexing. Track tyres have much thicker walls than road tyres. Using this as a reason to not buy track tyres is rediculous. The performance increase from using proper rubber is not to be sniffed at.

Fair play I can't afford big boys tyre's so Ill have to give it a miss but it would be nice to get a decent set of tyre's for the track as that is the only thing keeping you on the track.

[iw_laurence]

untill i used the 888's i didnt realise how important a good tyre is, and how much tyre choice is neglected when people consider upgrading the handling on their cars.

[paulydixon]

can you get track tyres in 45 profile? i've only ever seen 50's.

avon acb10's 195/45/15

I bought a semi used set off ebay last month for a £5er

The tread isn't radial so they're not for road use

http://shopping.hobidas.com/image-resources/hobidas-auto/AVON/ACB10_B.jpg

But they are the correct size.

The 50 profile toyo 888 thing is the most crackers trend i've seen! Toyo must be loving it

[iw_laurence]

avon acb10's 195/45/15

I bought a semi used set off ebay last month for a £5er

The tread isn't radial so they're not for road use

http://shopping.hobidas.com/image-resources/hobidas-auto/AVON/ACB10_B.jpg

But they are the correct size.

The 50 profile toyo 888 thing is the most crackers trend i've seen! Toyo must be loving it

that must be why all the F1 cars roll on 45 profile tyres...

[AdamH]

Al my old mugger... set up a group buy and get the price down, no? :)

[paulydixon]

that must be why all the F1 cars roll on 45 profile tyres...

I can't believe you've actually just said that, bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

[Aron]

888's work as they should at very low temperatures and heat up very quickly, i am using 888's as road tyres and they are superb apart from puddles...

:)

Thats rubbish! there is a massive differenece when to temp. Have you ever used them on track?

I have no doubt they will last longer then R888 i wasnt saying that.

After looking these are a road tyre, nothing like a R888

EDIT: There fine in the wet aswell, drove on them in heavy rain on track and where brilliant

[Toad]

r888's will only let you down in actual puddle type conditions. They don't have the tread design to disperse such a large amount of water compared to road tyres, so you will skid right over the top of large water patches.

[Toad]

Are those Avon tyres - pictured above - dipped towards the centre? Or is it a little camera trickery?

[raunchz]

r888's will only let you down in actual puddle type conditions. They don't have the tread design to disperse such a large amount of water compared to road tyres, so you will skid right over the top of large water patches.

Sounds like a 'ring' twitcher

[Aron]

Yea you could say that Ross!lol

It's because they have no pressure dave.lol

[Bickerton]

EDIT: There fine in the wet aswell, drove on them in heavy rain on track and where brilliant

Agreed, they lost no grip in heavy raon on track, even the puddles weren't really an issue

[dannygti]

avon acb10's 195/45/15

I bought a semi used set off ebay last month for a £5er

The tread isn't radial so they're not for road use

http://shopping.hobidas.com/image-resources/hobidas-auto/AVON/ACB10_B.jpg

But they are the correct size.

The 50 profile toyo 888 thing is the most crackers trend i've seen! Toyo must be loving it



pauly, the acb10 is a road legal tyre..
we use them at westfield on all the road legal xtr2/xtr4 and some bike powered cars.

they arent radial in design but crossply like proper slicks... thats why if you pick them up they are light as FUCK.




as most people have said, these new tyres cant be compared to track tyres like a048/r888/dunlop direzzas/michilin cup etc etc..
they are just a descent road tyre.

[Toad]

Danny, tell me more about the acb10's please :)

The 45 profile will help my effective final drive for track use and if they're lighter than the HEAVY ass r888's, I'd be pretty interested. :y:

[Bickerton]

With R888's prices going through the roof which "Trackday tyre" offers the best value for money?

I mean i think 888's are still the cheapest but not by as much anymore, this then means that it may be worth paying that little bit more for a tyre that lasts twice as long as such.

[dannygti]

Danny, tell me more about the acb10's please :)

The 45 profile will help my effective final drive for track use and if they're lighter than the HEAVY ass r888's, I'd be pretty interested. :y:

they are pretty expensive toad, but VERY light.. probably 2/3's the weight of your r888.

you have to use them on all 4 wheels really (not 2 on front and 2 r888 on rear) but they are excellent for grip.

if you look on the sidewall of most tyres there is a treadwear indicator, this tells you how soft the compound of the tyre is.

toyo t1r's have treadwear of 280
r888 have treadware of 100
and acb10's have treadwear of 20 lol... so they are ubber sticky.:y:

[Toad]

Man... I'm getting even more interested. :D

[Aron]

An AO48 would be much better purchase new then a R888. ACB10's are expensive. Even with new prices on Toyo.

Did a little search on the forums from America that im on and these really arent rated that highly. Dont stand up to abrasive roads at all so just end up graining really badly. Camber is not there friend either. 2degrees on the rear of a civic, one track day. 4mm of outer thread, big fat juicy wires on the inside.

Think Parda is a better option

[stinkycheese]

they are pretty expensive toad, but VERY light.. probably 2/3's the weight of your r888.

you have to use them on all 4 wheels really (not 2 on front and 2 r888 on rear) but they are excellent for grip.

if you look on the sidewall of most tyres there is a treadwear indicator, this tells you how soft the compound of the tyre is.

toyo t1r's have treadwear of 280
r888 have treadware of 100
and acb10's have treadwear of 20 lol... so they are ubber sticky.:y:

Where is this exactly?

[Toad]

I can't find any web site that sells the abc10's! :S

[webby]

on the side of tyre stinky were it tell you the profile. btw pm your xbl we can own yanks together!

[paulydixon]

With R888's prices going through the roof which "Trackday tyre" offers the best value for money?

I mean i think 888's are still the cheapest but not by as much anymore, this then means that it may be worth paying that little bit more for a tyre that lasts twice as long as such.

I'd say there is no such thing as a value for money track day tyre, they're expensive to buy and a soft compound, ergo they will wear out quick.

Stick with road tyres, seriously. For competion yes, a cut slick makes sense, but for your average Joe who wants to drive to the track, fly around it and then drive home, why bother with a £500 set of tyres that will last you 2000 miles if that. Your car might "handle" that smidge better, but i'd rather have the cash in my back pocket

It's subliminal advertising!

[paulydixon]

I've got a set, Toad. Well actually they're down the country at my friends, i as much as said he could have them

[Bickerton]

I'd say there is no such thing as a value for money track day tyre, they're expensive to buy and a soft compound, ergo they will wear out quick.

Stick with road tyres, seriously. For competion yes, a cut slick makes sense, but for your average Joe who wants to drive to the track, fly around it and then drive home, why bother with a £500 set of tyres that will last you 2000 miles if that. Your car might "handle" that smidge better, but i'd rather have the cash in my back pocket

It's subliminal advertising!

Didn't see my sidewall flex pic from Llandow then? ;)

[paulydixon]

Lets see?

[Bickerton]

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p278/taximan19/Llandow/IMG_9736.jpg

Fronts look like they gonna fall off, i need a firmer sidewall i thinks

[Ashleyp]

VFM track tyres would be the hankook rs2 / rs3 IMO

very well rated by many, obv not as highly as full on cut slicks. but for £55 a corner, you cant complain

stiff sidewalls, grippy, good wear rate, and good in all weather.

I cant see a negative thing about them... unless of course your after more, in which case, youve gotta spend double the price

edit, bick, you running T1r's? if so, the sidewalls are pretty soft. check the hankooks on camskill

[paulydixon]

What tyre have you got on there?

Bridgestone Potenzas have one of the firmest sidewalls of all tyres

[Aron]

I'd say there is no such thing as a value for money track day tyre, they're expensive to buy and a soft compound, ergo they will wear out quick.

Stick with road tyres, seriously. For competion yes, a cut slick makes sense, but for your average Joe who wants to drive to the track, fly around it and then drive home, why bother with a £500 set of tyres that will last you 2000 miles if that. Your car might "handle" that smidge better, but i'd rather have the cash in my back pocket

It's subliminal advertising!

Yea i just do not agree with any of that. A "smidge" is a massive under statement. If you know how to push your car properly you will really tell the difference.

[Aron]

He has rainsports. Potenzas have hard side walls? I have REO50a's and my wheel hit the floor!!!

[paulydixon]

VFM track tyres would be the hankook rs2 / rs3 IMO

very well rated by many, obv not as highly as full on cut slicks. but for £55 a corner, you cant complain

stiff sidewalls, grippy, good wear rate, and good in all weather.

I cant see a negative thing about them... unless of course your after more, in which case, youve gotta spend double the price

edit, bick, you running T1r's? if so, the sidewalls are pretty soft. check the hankooks on camskill

They remind me of the tyre Falken used to make which was aimed at occasional track use:

http://images110.fotki.com/v565/photos/1/1028410/5919126/si4-vi.jpg

[Bickerton]

VFM track tyres would be the hankook rs2 / rs3 IMO

very well rated by many, obv not as highly as full on cut slicks. but for £55 a corner, you cant complain

stiff sidewalls, grippy, good wear rate, and good in all weather.

I cant see a negative thing about them... unless of course your after more, in which case, youve gotta spend double the price

edit, bick, you running T1r's? if so, the sidewalls are pretty soft. check the hankooks on camskill

What tyre have you got on there?

Bridgestone Potenzas have one of the firmest sidewalls of all tyres

Rainsport 2's (were amazing in the wet btw!)

I see the Hankooks keep getting mentioned but not spoken to anyone with first hand experience

[webby]

paul is running rainsports iirc ash.

EDIT: basterd too slow now i look a prat lol

[Ashleyp]

at £220 for a set of 4 "track" tyres. they do seem the best VFM option to me. would perform miles better than road tyres due to their track biased design. and useable on the roads too

loads of reviews from track users on the web about them

win win

if i was going to spend as much as the AD08's. i'd either spend more and get track tyres. or spend less and get hankooks

[paulydixon]

Yea i just do not agree with any of that. A "smidge" is a massive under statement. If you know how to push your car properly you will really tell the difference.

I can drive, fear not. I just also know when something is worth is, and a 50 profile 888 on a saxo which see's occasional track use to me, isn't :)

[Ashleyp]

I can drive, fear not. I just also know when something is worth is, and a 50 profile 888 on a saxo which see's occasional track use to me, isn't :)

I'd have to agree. it's a lot of money for tyres that would be mostly used on the road

obv a different story if theres 2 sets of wheels involved. 1 for road, and 1 for track

[paulydixon]

He has rainsports. Potenzas have hard side walls? I have REO50a's and my wheel hit the floor!!!

RE040's on my Civic, swear by them

[Liam_]

Anyone used Pilot Exalto 2's on track? Sidewalls seem pretty strong on them and I've seen people get moon mileage out of a set. Not cheap at £80 a corner though.

[joehow12]

Aron is right by the way Bick...the A048 is a better tyre than the R888

[Aron]

50 profile has nothing to do with it?

You can easily source R888's cheap. I have 6 R888's and 2 AO48's which i paid a total....£300 for! worth it? i think so

[stinkycheese]

''The Treadwear Grade describes how a tire manufacturer views the wear of a given tire. In theory, this means that a tire with a 200 grade will wear twice as long as a tire with a 100 grade. However, tire manufacturers are not under any obligation to grade a tire based on the test results, except to say that they can not overstate the grade.''

Note this before you get excited about the 20 rating Toad

[Toad]

I've got a set, Toad. Well actually they're down the country at my friends, i as much as said he could have them

Can I try them please? :D

Much love...

[paulydixon]

I'd have to agree. it's a lot of money for tyres that would be mostly used on the road

obv a different story if theres 2 sets of wheels involved. 1 for road, and 1 for track

People just skirt over the fact they're a 50 profile. Can you imagine seeing someone on track in a saxo on 17's? People would laugh and point at the fool with his rolling radius....i bet a 15 on a 50's not far off it....

Like is say, it's just become socially cool to have 888's. Fuck the fact they're the wrong size. I've always wanted to get a 185/50/15 888 and thry that on a 7j wheel or something, granted the contact patch won't be as great, but the extra stretch might bring the whole thing closer to terra firma?

[paulydixon]

50 profile has nothing to do with it?



It has, it's the wrong size.

[paulydixon]

Can I try them please? :D

Much love...

I'll get in touch with him if you like?

You can probably have them for next to nowt? I dunno if he has use of them. He's called "pugnut" not sure if he uses this site?

[Bickerton]

It has, it's the wrong size.
Would depend upon the car

[Toad]

''The Treadwear Grade describes how a tire manufacturer views the wear of a given tire. In theory, this means that a tire with a 200 grade will wear twice as long as a tire with a 100 grade. However, tire manufacturers are not under any obligation to grade a tire based on the test results, except to say that they can not overstate the grade.''

Note this before you get excited about the 20 rating Toad

Intersting... :)

[dannygti]

''The Treadwear Grade describes how a tire manufacturer views the wear of a given tire. In theory, this means that a tire with a 200 grade will wear twice as long as a tire with a 100 grade. However, tire manufacturers are not under any obligation to grade a tire based on the test results, except to say that they can not overstate the grade.''

Note this before you get excited about the 20 rating Toad

have you felt how soft acb10's are?? have you been on track with acb10's??

toad, its worth getting exited about ;)

[Toad]

I'll get in touch with him if you like?

You can probably have them for next to nowt? I dunno if he has use of them. He's called "pugnut" not sure if he uses this site?

I'd love to give them a try mate. Much appreciated :y:

Rather that than spend a lot of money on a set and find they're no good for my application.

[paulydixon]

Would depend upon the car

On a Clio on 15's that's fine.

But we're not on cliosport.net, we're waxing lyrical about saxo's/106's.

They have a 45 profile tyre.

[Aron]

The wrong size? So everyone has to run 45 profile?

[joehow12]

Toad: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1612179.htm

[stinkycheese]

have you felt how soft acb10's are?? have you been on track with acb10's??

toad, its worth getting exited about ;)

No and no. Im was just surfing the net and stumbled across that info. Not trying to discredit your opinion. :hug:

Also found this. (http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/safercar/menuitem.13dd5c887c7e1358fefe0a2f35a67789/?vgnextoid=9f4baa8c16e35110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCR D) It lists the treadwear ratings of loads of tyres.

[Bickerton]

On a Clio on 15's that's fine.

But we're not on cliosport.net, we're waxing lyrical about saxo's/106's.

They have a 45 profile tyre.

The 50 profile seems to work just fine on 106's saxos on track, the only problem can be with full lock, which rarely happens on a track

[Toad]

Toad: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1612179.htm

55 profile is too big mate. :)

[dannygti]

55 profile is too big mate. :)

you will get acb10's from here mate :y:

http://www.bmtr.co.uk/index.htm


http://www.bmtr.co.uk/road_legal.htm

[Toad]

Ouch! :panic:

[Bickerton]

Ouch! :panic:

That link Dave :)

[Toad]

That link Dave :)

Ja :)

Trey cher Rodney, trey cher.

[SaxoAL]

Some nice opinions in here now.

So general thoughts would be to use these AD08's as an all round tyre then? I'm just wanting rid of my Proxe4's as I just do not get on with them. I want to do the ocassional track time, but I also like to find the twisties on fast roads too. I didn't want R888's as I havn't got the means nor money to keep changing wheels/tyres when using my car for work.

[Aron]

I think the ending was there a normal tyre. Rainsport 2's would be my choice

[stinkycheese]

Opinions on Goodyear Eagle F1's people? £142 well spent?

[paulydixon]

The wrong size? So everyone has to run 45 profile?

On a saxo, yes. No-one in their right mind would put a 50 profile road tyre on. But people get a boner when they see a 888

MICHELIN EXALTO2 PILOT's, original tyre the vts came with, excellent!

[SaxoAL]

So put my money towards Michelins then? Bearing in mind, I would like to do a few track days if possible.

[Ashleyp]

if you want to do track days then get something track / fast road based

or if its like 1 track session a year. just get some road based tyres

michelin exalto's last for ever.

On a saxo, yes. No-one in their right mind would put a 50 profile road tyre on. But people get a boner when they see a 888

MICHELIN EXALTO2 PILOT's, original tyre the vts came with, excellent!

very true. although could be considerd that if r888's were in 45 profile, theyd be the tyre of choice?

[paulydixon]

I did 4 in the first year of having a brand new saxo in 2003. Tyres were michelin, and lasted alot longer. Don't fall for the peer pressure of needing a cut slick, it's toss.

[paulydixon]

Ouch! :panic:

Toad, i've sent the lad a mail about those part worns.

Waltham Services charge quote:

Price of 195/45-15 ACB10 is £134 each plus VAT and carriage

[paulydixon]

very true. although could be considerd that if r888's were in 45 profile, theyd be the tyre of choice?

....if money were no object on a car doing circa 2000 miles per anum and track days....? Then yeah, an r888 195/45/15 would be a good shout!

[Aron]

No one in there right mind. There is loads of people running 50 profile mate.
Do you really think thousands of people across all different kinds of car makes have a reason for running cut slicks on track days? Just because you dont want to spend the money on them is not a reason to say there not needed

[paulydixon]

I think you're totally missing my point

[Aron]

All i have said is there is nothing wrong with 50 profile and cut slicks are worth it 100% on track. All you have done is argue the case against.

[paulydixon]

50 profile is the wrong size tyre on a Saxo, they come with a 45.

[Aron]

They come with 120bhp and crazy ride height, does that mean its what you should stay with? 195/50 is the wrong size for a clio but i use them as they work better

[raunchz]

Guys there isn't a huge difference in mm between the two when you work it out .........especially if you bring tread depths into it.

My next road tyres will be a 50 profile, purely down to cost and looks.

[Aron]

Thank you Ross.

195/50 has 97.5mm side wall whilst 195/45 has 87.5mm not going to notice massively. Suppose 205/50 is a terrible performance gain then pauly?

[adzvtr]

i run a 50 profile and personaly they seem better than when i was on 45 profile,

[paulydixon]

You're kidding Raunchz?

195/50/15 would be correct....on a xara, or maybe an eg civic...or any other mid size

Saxo?

Behave!



http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8066/saxo2ke7.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6059/saxo1ko4.jpg


.....having said that, all they need is 1x slap of "instant cool" and they're good to go....

http://images50.fotki.com/v1526/photos/1/1028410/4254423/r888-vi.jpg

Decent read reagding different brands off cut slicks:

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-Reader-Track-Day-Tyre-Comparison.htm

[paulydixon]

Suppose 205/50 is a terrible performance gain then pauly?

Shocking idea, then both aspects of the tyre are wrong, height and width.

[raunchz]

The vtr has 101mm sidewalls on a 14" wheel so a 50 profile (97mm) on a 15" wheel vts isn't a lot different.

The sidewall width itself must be a 45 profile on a vts to make it 'feel' sportier? My car isn't slammed and I do look at it sometimes and think it looks silly with a 45 profile with multispokes (superleggera's). Having just fitted some 195/55/15 tyres on the front it looks a lot better IMO. They are Dunlop formula-r tyres so stiffer sidewall than my old t1r's in 45 profile.

The 55 profile looks a tad chunky but I like it, a 50 profile tyre on multispokes would be ideal for me on the road - £130 for 50 profile vs £190 in a 45 profile to give a rough idea of price difference

[paulydixon]

Regardless of how you feel it makes your car look, again, it's the wrong size tyre for your car.

It's got nothing to do with how it looks, the wrong size tyre effects all aspects of geometry, gearing and handling. No-one can fault a 888 is a sticky tyre (although there are better ones),what i'm saying is, the correct size tyre will benefit the overall handling and feel of the car.

For you to say you're doing it to fill your arches is an indication you have no idea what you're talking about :)....and 55's? Come on!?! Is this the saxo driver of today? Hello!? ANYBODY?

Lets be realistic. People put 888's on their cars as they think it's cool. Like when people used to slam Saxo's and proclaim because they are low to the ground they would handle better, some even daring to liken them to formula 1 cars *shuder*.

[Toad]

The people I know who use r888's are people who do track days. Maybe you've bumped into a lot of odd people Paul? Weird one...

You don't have to have the same tyre size which came with the car as standard. I don't understand your argument here. Changes in geometry, gearing, etc. Yes, but it's not drastic. Lowering you car changes the geometry a lot more and that's not frowned upon is it?

I've seen a couple of race and drift french hatches running 13" wheels with huge profiles too. :D Looked funny, but goes to show that you don't have to use a 15" rim either...

I like the look of the 50 profile tyre on my car. I wouldn't get that specific profile in a road tyre as they're more expensive, so there's no point besides looks for me there.

In reply to the acb10's. Thanks very much for dropping that chap a line. Would be great to try them out. Thanks :y:

[Jamie]

Im running Yoko Parada Spec 2's 195/50/15s, im down 40mm front/50mm rear on Spax PSX kit and get slight rubbing on full lock turn in the road & cant have heavy rear passengers lol but apart from that my cars on rails absolutely love it. Not hand any issues as of yet and had them on for 3weeks now. If the Paradas are anything to go by i dare say id end up with some of AD08's next time. I need to sort myself some track time one day:)

[Ashleyp]

the only semi slick sold in 45 profile is that avon thats been posted. and most wont buy that as it'll wear down very very quick

i dont see the argument about changing geometry, yes this will happen. but it's usually on a modded car, so lots of things have changed from standard.

[Aron]

There is others Ashley but sshhh

you really are arguein with the wrong people. You clearly do not have much experience of saxo/106's on track. Look at any real track car and they use them on here. How can you say more tyre on the road is bad? Danny is one the most experienced builders and he uses 205/50's for a reason. Your segueing with more experienced people clearly.

[Aron]

SO what your basicaly saying aswell is that a road tyre in a 45profile will be better then a 50 profile cut slick? People ran the clio cup car slicks which where basically a 205/50, they were awesome. So a road tyre would be better then these?

Also you say Ross has no idea what he talkign about? Have you seen his thread? Any of his posts?

[LEE_VTR1]

just read this thread them yoko's look good and read the review I'd just say there a good fast road tyre in no way could they be a track designed tyre, no doubts on how well they hold up.

paulydixon - why wouldn't you use a 50 profile on a saxo/106 there's no real difference between 45-50's bar abit of side wall flex maybe but your always going to get sidewalk flex, when you add up the equation it's grip levels x road surface + speed etc etc. personally I don't see an issue with tyre profiles or anything tbh and having driven my rallye on a set of 195/45/15 t1r's I like them and also having used 195/50/15 r888's iv not noticed much difference tbh bar the fact the r888's offer so much more grip but they are completely different tyres.

as far as cost goes for everyone moaning I see no problem shelling out shit loads for new R888's or A048's because if you want to so track days and maintain grip with good suspension then you shell out on tyres it's like most things when modding cars you don't do one and not the other if you want to build a good all round car.

on the other side of things I wouldn't mins trying a set of the mentioned yoko's

[Aron]

Some best track cars on here,

Daves, 205/50/15 R888
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83159

Dannys, 205/50/15 R888
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146486

Joshs, 195/15/15 R888 sometimes 205/50/15
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202333

Olly's, runs 13" slicks
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259704

Colins saxo rally car, 195/50/15
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91322

Ryans Saxo 195 or 205/15.
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188610

[LEE_VTR1]

also paul there are alot of people on here who do alot of research and track days....

I can't see how you are changing geometry by fitting 50 profiles either as suspension component placement doesn't change by adding 10mm or tyre to your car just makes your car roughly 5mm higher over the circumfrince of the wheel. I never noticed any gearing differences either and I certainly didn't run r888's to be Cool and fit in with the lads!!

you appear to have got on a high horse over this mate, DannyGTI builds Westfields for a living and is considered a very knowledgeable user on this forum and as Aron said he's using 205/50/15's.. now I don't think for one second he would be running them if they would hinder any performance gains.

not aiming any shit at you personally but just because citreon fitted 195/45's standard doesn't mean that's the set size you have to use. if that was the case I'll remove my h&r coilovers and bilstein group n rear dampers and I won't bother fitting my 23mm torsion bars this weekend as clearly what your trying to say is standard height is better as aposed to running your car 30-40mm lower or 50-60mm down depending on what you wish from the car.

[Aron]

I think this is pretty one side decision. Allot of people saying its fine with plently of evidence against one person saying no becuase Shitreon put it as 45 as standard. Please mate stop argueing. No one will judge you by not replying again but if you keep argueing you will just sound stupid

[LEE_VTR1]

also Aron in your case running 195/40/16's standard wheels on your clio then running 195/50/15's on your 2118's would surely be gearing your clio down..

that's got many advantages imo but I'm no expert here

[KamRacing]

I would expect the Avon's to wear very fast on a FWD road car like the saxo and are more suited to the caterfields... We ran some Dunlop cut slicks and maybe only got 4000miles out of them before they were illegal to use. Good fun though....

with 205/50's. The wider width will change the contact patch to be wider and thinner. This can help keep the tyre patch more consistent under cornering in the dry, but will give worse performance in the wet and other adverse conditions where a thinner longer contact patch is more favourable.
This all works up to a point, you can oversize....

[paulydixon]

lol the whole "all these people use them so they must be right" does nothing for me i'm affraid.

I'll stick with the correct size tyre and spring for the Avon's thanks :)

[LEE_VTR1]

at the end of the day it's all down to personal preference.

I have no issues or see any tbh.

working with measurements and tolerances daily for my job proves to me that tyre rolling diameter doesn't change too much to the way the car drives 5mm over a large surface area really isn't alot

[Aron]

Use as you wish aslong as in your head your right mate.

[AndySAXO]

so after all that are the tyres in question any good? :p ha

well i am looking at 888's, not got round to do much searching yet on other options, at the moment i will be using t1r 195\50\15 and i also have t1r in 45, but i changed to the 50 and just seem to work better for me.
not saying they are good, but i felt my car felt better.

andy

[Aron]

Just keep your eye on the for sale sections as you can get R888's at a good price.