Been asked many of times

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

I know this has been asked over and over but there is still no answer. Is the vtr engine better than the vts? iv always been told the vtr is alot stronger and takes more abuse, even power wise people say the vtr is vertually the same as the vts, it would be nice if there was a straight forward answer to this.

[Keefo]

the VTS is alot better than the VTR in every way.... simple as that...

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=127

[Giraffe]

I know this has been asked over and over but there is still no answer. Is the vtr engine better than the vts? iv always been told the vtr is alot stronger and takes more abuse, even power wise people say the vtr is vertually the same as the vts, it would be nice if there was a straight forward answer to this.

20bhp difference, but it's also where the power is produced that is different... depends what you want the car for doesn't it, as to which one is better.

[Kyza]

the VTS is alot better than the VTR in every way.... simple as that...

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=127

Apart from running costs :p

[Mr_P]

Been asked a million times and answered a million times.

VTS > VTR

How many people do you see on here, going for big power that stick with 8 valves.......?

[tom130691]

how can one be stonger the use the same or very similar bottom end/block

on the head layout is different to house the extra cams and valves

[french_baguette]

I know this has been asked over and over but there is still no answer. Is the vtr engine better than the vts? iv always been told the vtr is alot stronger and takes more abuse, even power wise people say the vtr is vertually the same as the vts, it would be nice if there was a straight forward answer to this.


Them people are either dreaming or having a laugh.

[Add91289]

"i cant afford the 16V so il kid my self into thinking the 8V is better"

[JamesR]

Twice the valves, twin cam, 20/30bhp more. The VTS is definetly the better engine.

[gaz4399]

from my personal experience the ONLY people who think vtr and vts's are similar have never actually been in a vts tbh

vts >> vtr

it may only be 22 or 30bhp more but the 16v have more power through a lot more of the rev range, the power delivery is much better inn the 16v basically

[Phreaktwo]

Never driven a VTS but i imagine its a much better experience than a VTR.

[Kev_Vtec]

ive had both a mk1 vtr 88k and a mk1 vts 51k, yes the vts is a faster engine but the running cost was alot more.
the vtr never went wrong but the vts was always going wrong, headgasket etc etc.
ide still have a vtr over a vts.
prob because the vts was a bad engine i had.

[LSOfreak]

Been asked a million times and answered a million times.

VTS > VTR

How many people do you see on here, going for big power that stick with 8 valves.......?

wide-vtr-turbo, tweeqd, if i remember rightly.....

not positive

[dannyboy2005]

http://onni.jkl.fi/~lauri/kuvia/not_this_shit_again.jpeg

Vts is 16V. End Off

[Mr_P]

wide-vtr-turbo, tweeqd, if i remember rightly.....

not positive

My point exactly.
Not many.

[dannyboy2005]

"My Citroen Saxo VTS does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and 60-0 in 3.2 seconds, it does 143mph top speed and sticks to the road like glue, even in sharp corners at ..."

A quote from google search "What dose VTS mean" ( I've seen it before, can't remeber anymore)

http://www.reviewcentre.com/review213855.html

^^ LOL.. Just look at the cocks car.

Rant Wars

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Just seems in my opinion the vtr can take alot more abuse. Iv driven a mk1 vts and all i could notice different to my old mk1 vtr was that it revs higher.......... my opinion is my old vtr would have sat with it id just have to change gear sooner. overal which one is the better engine? seems to me more people are fixing the 16v engine compared to the 8v.

[RobVT]

8v has more torque


ROFL

[Jenson]

"My Citroen Saxo VTS does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and 60-0 in 3.2 seconds, it does 143mph top speed and sticks to the road like glue, even in sharp corners at ..."

A quote from google search "What dose VTS mean" ( I've seen it before, can't remeber anymore)

http://www.reviewcentre.com/review213855.html

^^ LOL.. Just look at the cocks car.

Rant Wars

:wall::wall::wall::wall:

[CraigLovelock]

Its only 20bhp more?

You saying that a vtr / furio are the same then? Thats only 15 or 23 how ever you look at it...

VTS all the way. Bragging rights. End of :)

[dankzy]

16v better, but if you put a less restrictive exhaust and induction on vtr you get get it to about 110bhp, cause citroen but a more restrictive exhaust on the vtr so they could sell more vts's

[jaytay]

have to say vts as own vtr either way if u rag em expect big bills french build equals shite lol

[Mr_P]

Just seems in my opinion the vtr can take alot more abuse. Iv driven a mk1 vts and all i could notice different to my old mk1 vtr was that it revs higher.......... my opinion is my old vtr would have sat with it id just have to change gear sooner. overal which one is the better engine? seems to me more people are fixing the 16v engine compared to the 8v.

LOL!

From a standing start you'd keep with a VTS to 60. As soon as you get to 3rd it's bye bye VTR. And if it was on a track, the VTS would have the power out of every corner. It's not a small difference.

[PETE-VTR]

drove a VTS dint like the power delivery, had a couple of 16v astras and a 16v mgzr dint like them either, gone back to 8v's...

at the end of the day id choose a peaky 8v, more fun to drive...

[CraigLovelock]

16v better, but if you put a less restrictive exhaust and induction on vtr you get get it to about 110bhp, cause citroen but a more restrictive exhaust on the vtr so they could sell more vts's

Put the those two on a vts and as proved on saturday at r+r day...

A vts with backbox + air filter ran 130bhp and 114 torque.

[jaytay]

then an evo goes flyin past us all and figures dont mean shit lol

[dannyboy2005]

This thread is making me LOL

Te fact is, the thread starter is probally only been driving for 2 weeks and thinks he can beat a 1L metro of the lights, so wants a VTS and blag to his mates.

I'f i were to get a VTS, i'd be no use to me really as i only do motorway driving and town driving. I don't do enough 'Varied' routes to unleash the power, so i'd stick with a 8v because its cheaper, and has the power.

But common sense tells you, for a race, 16v will always win.

[Mochachino]

The vts has a much better power band over the VTR also in standard form the vt gearbox dosent help it out that much.

VTRs are good for turbines

BHP dosent mean everything to those saying the VTS is 20bhp more..

[Lewis]

If your going to modify a saxo, you mayswell start with more valves as there is much more potential. Ive been in an modified 8v and a 16v and all i an say is the 16v wasnt just a little bit faster it was massivly faster.

[dannyboy2005]

VTR, with VTR gearbox = Pritty Naff
VTS - VTS Gear Box = Shifts

VTS gearbox is simular to the Saxo 1.1 box. Hence the reason people but 1.1 gear boxes into their VTR

[PETE-VTR]

VTS gearbox is simular to the Saxo 1.1 box. Hence the reason people but 1.1 gear boxes into their VTR

the ratios are different as is the final drive...

plus the VTR/S boxes have 'sports' ratios

[french_baguette]

I like all the expert comments from people who neither own or have owned a vts.

[jaytay]

doesnt mean they avnt drove one does it baguette

[Mochachino]

I like all the expert comments from people who neither own or have owned a vts.

Not everyone puts down what they have owned in the past on their 'cars' bit..

[dannyboy2005]

So.. Back to topic.

What is 'Best'

LOL

[chinkostu]

yeaaa lad my vtr is blates better than an s, its lighter like....

Ive been mullered by a gti. And i doubt he was even trying.

[LSOfreak]

8v has more torque


rofl

no it doesn't

[oz_]

:panic: FFS :panic:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307971

Is it too hard to read a previous argument than to start another?

[Dizzy]

This thread is making me LOL

Te fact is, the thread starter is probally only been driving for 2 weeks and thinks he can beat a 1L metro of the lights, so wants a VTS and blag to his mates.

I'f i were to get a VTS, i'd be no use to me really as i only do motorway driving and town driving. I don't do enough 'Varied' routes to unleash the power, so i'd stick with a 8v because its cheaper, and has the power.

But common sense tells you, for a race, 16v will always win.

Its 120bhp, most fan ovens have more than that nowadays. You're talking like its a 600bhp supercar lol.

VTS is a considerable amount faster than a VTR, but they are both still sub 200bhp hatches so arguing over which is better is like saying my hamster is harder than your hamster.

More valves = higher peak power, period.

[saxokid100]

prefer vts over vtr...........but 8v are strong little engines.....

[kc-saxo]

You cant really say one is stronger than the other as its pretty much the same engine just different head, more valves etc. dont know what power the standard internals are capable of handling. but you have seen alot of turbod/superchaged vtr/vts so they must be great engines.

i think my vtr is quick so can only think how quick a vts is.
i cant really comment on 16v power as ive never driven anything 16v.
would love a shot in a vts though :)

also
if 16v is better than 8v does that mean thing like 1.2 16v corsa bs would rape vtrs ?

[brianS]

they are all 4 cyl though. which is fine but its no v6 or v8
both have their merits for young people.

[b0t13]

lol at the noobs...

ive heard that vtr engines are stronger, but tht could be due to them having less power, less abuse revs wise etc....

the vts is another level compared to a vtr, its not only 20bhp, its the increase in torque(lol) power delivery and gearbox that make it loads faster.

vtr's are easy to drive because theyre slower revving and imo 8v is boring now..

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

dannyboy2005 you must be the funniest person ever to say been driving 2 weeks, more like 4 years.... iv driven both and if you ask me there isnt a difference but i think the vtr is better, they seem to have alot more grunt if you drop down a gear as to when you dont change in the vts and floor it because of the longer rev range also the vtr seems more fun to drive due to having to change down a gear for more power and grip.

[jaytay]

but people with 16 valves are goin to say they are better heres ur answer neither lol in the end they both fall apart they are french and made out of recycled hairspray cans hehe,but why do we love em guess thats another thread tho 8v 16valve who cares still gonna be a faster car than ours

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

saxokid100 point taken the 8v is a strong engine, my bro had a 16v and i had 8v and mine had done alot more miles and his headgasket went constantly the engine was weak.... never had any trouble with mine the headgasket was done once and the engine will still run now if i go to it, his is dead and gone.

[french_baguette]

saxokid100 point taken the 8v is a strong engine, my bro had a 16v and i had 8v and mine had done alot more miles and his headgasket went constantly the engine was weak.... never had any trouble with mine the headgasket was done once and the engine will still run now if i go to it, his is dead and gone.

ah right so there all shit like that then, thread end 8v rullzzz

[Mochachino]

vtr is better, they seem to have alot more grunt if you drop down a gear as to when you dont change in the vts and floor it because of the longer rev range

Your opinion contradicts the facts..

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Why be a spac about it? if you go into citroen and ask which is the better engine out of the two im sure they would say which one, might just do that as you dont get much sense out of you off here when you ARE ALL MENT TO BE SAXO MEMBERS AND HELP. sorry but its a true fact, you all seem to turn everything around and slag people off. Im waiting for the HAHAHA LOVING THIS THREAD! its coming up lolz.

[jaytay]

haha loving this thread lol.......joke

[french_baguette]

Why be a spac about it? if you go into citroen and ask which is the better engine out of the two im sure they would say which one, might just do that as you dont get much sense out of you off here when you ARE ALL MENT TO BE SAXO MEMBERS AND HELP. sorry but its a true fact, you all seem to turn everything around and slag people off. Im waiting for the HAHAHA LOVING THIS THREAD! its coming up lolz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ

[jaytay]

steady on mr wonka lol

[c20xejay]

my 1.6 corsa used to beat vtr as for vts i didnt have a chance and when i changed to a 2.0 corsa it used to piss me off how good vts's kept up with me for the time they did...

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

you talking redtop corsa? they would shread up a 16v easy.

[Mochachino]

Do poeple buy a vts with the idea its the fastest car out there?

[c20xejay]

you talking redtop corsa? they would shread up a 16v easy.

yes when i did own one thats what annoyed me bout vts's how they'd keep up for the time they did used to well piss me off i just wanted to leave em but theyre are a very lively motor for what they are...

[french_baguette]

you talking redtop corsa? they would shread up a 16v easy.

Untill you show it a corner.

[c20xejay]

Untill you show it a corner.

god your like a parrot you aint ya... come on please tell me how fast do saxos go round corners give me some evidence of your corner taking in a saxo

[RobVT]

rofl c20xejay i like you in a non ball touching way, my saxo handled awesome but my ibiza cupra hands extremely well for a big car and i would go out on a limb and say it does handle better that any vts/vtr ive been in although it does have a lot of body roll :( but will be sorted with thicker ARBs and ive been in loads of corsas/novas with c20xe's in and i though they handle stupidly well all had expensive coilovers on though and ran rings around scoobys and evos

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Theres a bloke in my area that has a standard white corsa with the black arche trims and its got a black bonnet and crap alloys, not many people know it but he has 2.0 redtop and you often see type R's and scoobys pull up next to it a lights and the bloke with the corsa give it abit and let them get a little infront then let it rip, its funny to watch. I didnt make this thread about what cars are quickest though although the corsa redtop is a very quick car...... not standard though...

[liamo90]

my vtr engine had 140,000 miles on the clock and still running fine untill i broke the car for parts

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

My old 1998 vtr engine was on 143 thousand miles and was still strong with no rattle or smoke, the car is written off now but the engine is still alive.

[french_baguette]

god your like a parrot you aint ya... come on please tell me how fast do saxos go round corners give me some evidence of your corner taking in a saxo


lmao inspecter morse! My saxo has a steering wheel therefore it goes around corners, as far as speed well that would depend entirely on the size of the corner. Is that enough evidence?

Corsa's are just genrally bags of shit before you put a heavier engine in the front of them.

[c20xejay]

lmao inspecter morse! My saxo has a steering wheel therefore it goes around corners, as far as speed well that would depend entirely on the size of the corner. Is that enough evidence?

Corsa's are just genrally bags of shit before you put a heavier engine in the front of them.

i thinks point proven you know nothing.

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Point proven to who?

[c20xejay]

Point proven to who?


i quoted french baguette so i think it was aimed at him

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Lol didnt notice dude.

[french_baguette]

Yeah mate your absolutly right I know nothing, corsa's handle way better than saxo's.

[c20xejay]

Yeah mate your absolutly right I know nothing, corsa's handle way better than saxo's.

stating the obvious ftw.. im not saying corsas are the best thing since sliced bread yes there are plenty of cars out there much better than corsas and ill be the first admit that..im not gunna live in dream world.. but they are to my taste so im only going from my experiences in them. but like every car has its good points and bad points.. just like the saxo does.

[kc-saxo]

stating the obvious ftw.. im not saying corsas are the best thing since sliced bread yes there are plenty of cars out there much better than corsas and ill be the first admit that..im not gunna live in dream world.. but they are to my taste so im only going from my experiences in them. but like every car has its good points and bad points.. just like the saxo does.

corsa and saxos are on the same level in my eyes both have a great range of engines and both have pretty crap engines like the 1.0 saxo and the 1.0 corsa haha

im not too sure on how the 1.2 16v or 1.4 16v would fair a against a vtr or 106 quiksilver. i have driven the 1.6 16v corsa and even though im not the biggest fan of corsas it was still a pretty decent engine, pulled well through all the gears :).

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Iv bit the bullet and gone 16V, Its all up and running thanks to daniel09 on here!! love it. just got a slight missfire and no fuel gauge but its being sorted.

[BenMc]

hmm all these vts lovers i suggest you find out the details on the gear boxes from vtr and vts.....

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Mine has vtr gearbox and shafts.

[CarlosVT]

Is this thread for real? lol

[saxvtr03]

dunno what every1 is on about VTR's are baaaaareeeeee rapid!

[Rikochet]

I've never even driven a VTS as I've only recently bought my VTR but has anyone actually pointed out the fact that 15-20bhp is a hell of a lot in a car as light as a Saxo? Of course the VTS is quicker!!! Plus I'd rather spend say £400 on a VTS engine for my VTR than waste £400 on mods which wouldn't even get it near what a standard VTS can do.

BHP per tonne is what we're looking at here not gear ratios or manufacturers claimed 0-60 times and other nonsense!! Physics is physics and it certainly can't be changed with a back box and an old K&N filter off your big brothers VW.

Tell you what lets settle this once and for all at the Saxperience 1st (and last) Annual VTR vs VTS trackrollingroadquartermile day!! It's on the 32nd of Julember and I'll be there in my 1.1 which I'm fitting a 4 speed mini metro gearbox to so it'll do 180mph in 2nd gear and smoke everything in sight.

[D--R--E--W]

3rd post and its as cocky as that? you aint gonna last long mate with that attitude

[Aly]

VTS engines are stronger internal wise.

VTR engines can go to about 140-150bhp before you have to go changing internals. Where as with VTS engines they can go to about 170bhp on the standard internals.

Think Simo ran his VTS Turbo with standard internals but he used a good map to ensure everything was good.

[Jordysport]

personally i prefer the VTR engine, as its got nice constant power band throughout the rev range, whereas when i drive a vts it feels slower unless your above about 5.5k+

[Finchowned]

Love the way people say "it's only 22/30Bhp more". In a Saxo that's a fair amount of extra power to play with :)

VTS > VTR in every way.

[xcore]

vts= drivers car vtr= chav car :P

only jokingggg

[MiniGibbo]

To some this thread up in one sentance.. Anyone who thinks a vtr is better than a vts is retarded.

[KamRacing]

oh dear.
The vtr will probably be more reliable as it does not rev as high so the internal stresses are less, coupled with a long gearbox to help pacify its owners before they hit the rev limiter.
The vts naturally will come on cam a bit more lively due to having 16 valves, but it has more torque across its whole rev range, it then can get more air in at high revs so when the 8v loses performance the 16v is still going strong. People seem to think otherwise with golfs, 205's and every other car with an 8v and 16v engine in its top models....

[Raz]

Having gone from a VTR to a VTS from last weekend, I can say the VTS is the quicker car, and general all rounder car.

Upto about 4k revs, the VTS is VTR pace, after that it does just take off.

[Rikochet]

3rd post and its as cocky as that? you aint gonna last long mate with that attitude

Get a grip, it was a joke. What is the minimum number of posts I have to make before I'm allowed to be cocky?

I thought forums were meant to be a place where everyone could voice their views and opinions? Just because I've only left a few messages on this particular forum doesn't make my opinion any less worthy than yours.

Thanks for the welcome though.

[CHIP]

All i know is i enjoy driving my VTR, so fook what any of your lot thinks lol.

[Peter_D]

Get a grip, it was a joke. What is the minimum number of posts I have to make before I'm allowed to be cocky?

I thought forums were meant to be a place where everyone could voice their views and opinions? Just because I've only left a few messages on this particular forum doesn't make my opinion any less worthy than yours.

Thanks for the welcome though.

Welcome to SaxP, you're a good lad

[Aly]

Get a grip, it was a joke. What is the minimum number of posts I have to make before I'm allowed to be cocky?

I thought forums were meant to be a place where everyone could voice their views and opinions? Just because I've only left a few messages on this particular forum doesn't make my opinion any less worthy than yours.

Thanks for the welcome though.

That's DREW told :homme:

[CHIP]

He spells well for a newbie :P haha.

[tiresmokindad]

I know this has been asked over and over but there is still no answer. Is the vtr engine better than the vts? iv always been told the vtr is alot stronger and takes more abuse, even power wise people say the vtr is vertually the same as the vts, it would be nice if there was a straight forward answer to this.

:y: I think it is better to use the vtr engine than the vts. :D

[dav0506]

Get a grip, it was a joke. What is the minimum number of posts I have to make before I'm allowed to be cocky?

150 is the minimum i'm afraid!

[dt_]

both very different cars (even though they are the same car lol)

VTR is easier to use as a cruiser with its power developing lower down in the rev range and its longer ratio gearbox, but the VTS is a more rapid car with its closer ratio box allowing better use of the power produced higher in the rev range.

to sum it up VTR best for tootlin about and keeping costs low while providing reasonable power, and the VTS best for pure performance on the track and for fast road use. Economy is slightly better in the VTR, but both engines are equally strong (or weak)

[WestCoastJosh]

16v better, but if you put a less restrictive exhaust and induction on vtr you get get it to about 110bhp, cause citroen but a more restrictive exhaust on the vtr so they could sell more vts's

LOL you gain 20bhp from a straight through exhaust and an induction kit?!
made my day

[Rikochet]

Welcome to SaxP, you're a good lad

Cheers mate so are you!

[Rikochet]

150 is the minimum i'm afraid!

Sorry I really couldn't help myself though this thread made me laugh. I will bear my post count in mind in future when making comments in this forum.

[D--R--E--W]

And so you should ya cheeky fuck.... you seemed like a cocky twat so thought i would advise you, no point in coming straight onto a forum and acting like a dick or youll end up with a name for yourself

[Peter_D]

I didn't realise the rules said that you must have a certain amount of posts before being able to express a strong opinion or having an edge of cockyness about you?

Rikochet never directed his post to any single person, and it wasn't even that bad a post, wasn't as if he came in all guns blazing and started calling individual people wankers etc

Id rather a lad joined the forum and had a well constructed post which contained a cocky edge to it, aswell as a bit of humour...as opposed to the spastics who sign up, run straight into the tuning section and, with the poorest attention to spelling and grammar, ask what filter or exhaust they should get for their Saxo

Keep it up lad

[D--R--E--W]

Very sorry Peter and Rickochet, must remember that I am not allowed an opinion on someone. I must stay quiet, but thats ok, I'll let you 2 get back to tickling each others arses ;)

[Peter_D]

No problem lad

I'll PM you when we decide you are worthy enough to form your own opinion, don't hold your breath though ;)

[Rikochet]

And so you should ya cheeky fuck.... you seemed like a cocky twat so thought i would advise you, no point in coming straight onto a forum and acting like a dick or youll end up with a name for yourself


I wasn't apologising to you. From now on I'd thank you to keep your opinions to yourself regarding my posts.

I'm not some wee ned with no licence and 1.1 sitting in bits in his drive, and I'm not away to get into an argument with an internet forum hard man about who has bigger balls. Cos it's me.

I am a cocky twat mate but you're the only one here making a name for himself by calling people names and I don't need advice from anyone who has a picture of his girlfriend as his avatar.

[Peter_D]

Better call these lads just incase this gets out of hand

http://students.ou.edu/J/Claudia.E.Jaime-1/jerry%20springer%20security.jpg

[Rikochet]

Better call these lads just incase this gets out of hand

http://students.ou.edu/J/Claudia.E.Jaime-1/jerry%20springer%20security.jpg

The Deal or No Deal crew have really beefed up since Noel shaved off his beard eh?

Please don't tell me you had that photo on your hard drive??!! Or was it one of the ones in that special 'I'm the only folder that that's password protected so my Mrs can't see what I'm wanking over' folder on your desktop?

The 2 guys at the back don't look like they'd be too much bother but baldy could probably eat someone.

:boxing:

[Peter_D]

Sorry to completely undermine your post lad but i got it off Google images, simple as that

[D--R--E--W]

I wasn't apologising to you. From now on I'd thank you to keep your opinions to yourself regarding my posts.

I'm not some wee ned with no licence and 1.1 sitting in bits in his drive, and I'm not away to get into an argument with an internet forum hard man about who has bigger balls. Cos it's me.

I am a cocky twat mate but you're the only one here making a name for himself by calling people names and I don't need advice from anyone who has a picture of his girlfriend as his avatar.

LOL

Just


LOL

:clapping:

[saxova]

Team 8v!

:zainy::zainy::zainy::zainy:

[Rikochet]

Sorry to completely undermine your post lad but i got it off Google images, simple as that

That's fine mate, I am honoured to be undermined by a DC5 owner. What like are they? Reliable? Easy to source bits for? I've been tempted to import one myself but don't really know anyone that owns one to give me an honest opinion on ownership.

[MiniGibbo]

Dc5's are good cars IMO a little bit boring compared dc2 in the way ivtec comes in at two stages compared to on/off in the dc2's b18c

[Peter_D]

Have you had experience of driving both DC2 and DC5, Gibbo?

[MiniGibbo]

Never driven a dc5, looked at buying a dc2 might still do instead of a eg6/ef9. Good friend of mine however has owned a dc2, s2k jdm, dc5 and now a mint low milage dc2 that he'll be selling september for what I reakon will be another s2k lol.

Been in them all and it just didn't have the on/off kick imo of the dc2.

[Peter_D]

Alot of people say it doesn't seem to have the same kick but mine has a very noticeable changeover with the HKS filter, noise and power wise, you really feel it

The reason DC2 has a bigger "kick" is because there is a dip in torque right before VTEC engages, so the power sorta tails off slightly and then kicks in hard

The bigger the drop in torque, the more "kick" you will feel from VTEC engaging

On a remapped car with few mods and KPRO ecu, it should ideally be mapped with VTEC set where the lines cross on the graph, and this should give you no noticeable VTEC kick at all, it should just be a constant climb in power with no torque drop

Would you rather a DC2 with the placebo effect of a hard VTEC kick making it seem quicker? Or a DC5 which is faster but doesn't quite have the feel of the VTEC kick?