What would happen if the Police etc saw that you had a different engine?

[DigFonzSaxo]

Hello,
Just wondering for people who put VTS's engines in VTR's etc or any car tbh, what would happen for example if you got pulled over in your VTR by a rite cock and he ask you to open your bonnet and he spotted that you had a VTS in there for example, there and then what would happen? Could you just say "When he ask's" that it's all declared....


Basically i know someone who is thinking about a Civic Type S - Type R Engine Conversion so THIS IS NOT FOR ME!

:y:

[adam2350]

If he wanted to check whether it was declared or not he could do it very easily- TBH a policeman wouldnt have a clue what the difference in the vtr and vts engines were let alone what they looked like... I got pulled and police opened my bonnet and saw my big Viper Pipercross and he said 'I assume this is all declared'- I told him yes of course and he didnt follow it up but im sure he could have.
By the same token everything from Engines to Decals to Lowering has to be declared to the insurance company so your insurance will probably be void anyway if you have modified your car in any way

[blackie_2k5]

im quite sure if the officer asked for a look 90% of the time he'd know what he was looking for, some ppl are thick as fuck tbh, walk round thinking police havent got a clue, yes ten year ago you'd be right lol, theyre alot more intelligent now and are cracking down on EVERYTHING, and if it happend to you your car would be impounded, you'g go to court for no insurance and most likely your car would be crushed because it wasnt declared or insured

youll get serious grief on here for saing your thinking of doing this so i wouldnt even think about it, unisured drivers ruin i for everycunt!

[Bound]

If you had say, a furio to VTR conversion, which by your car description you do. No one will be any the wiser, they are exactly the same. I do not think there is anyway to tell, it is impossible iirc. They look exactly the same.

[wigansaxo]

most traffic coppers seem to be into cars and im guessing a few could very easy tell the diffrence between a r and s engine, but then again some might not have a clue, guess it depends on who pulls you

[TypeRDavid]

People who underestimate the police are fucking idiots themselves tbh!;)

[jaytay]

aint there some new law now that you have to go to dvla and fill out loadsa forms before you are allowed to fit engine to car,as above dont under estimate the old bill they are a lot clever than they look lol

[Jordysport]

People who underestimate the police are fucking idiots themselves tbh!;)

+1 Adam falls into that area i think.

I know loads of police officers and if they couldn't tell the difference from a VTR and VTS they would get a slating from colleages, 99% of them do know and know basically the ins and outs of cars. they have to, its there job!

[alanrichie]

People who underestimate the police are fucking idiots themselves tbh!;)


reminded me of layer cake :)

[jaytay]

cool film by the way lol

[Riko360]

The popo aren't that silly. Up milton Keynes a couple of years back my friend got pulled over in her mk1 Clio 16v, upon the copper looking at it he saw "willy power" on her plate and instantly started looking and checking over the car and asking if it had a engine conversion. Of course she no but it did. It's the same as the furio vtr engine conversion where you can't tell but still he was having a real good look at it!

[weetz]

If you had say, a furio to VTR conversion, which by your car description you do. No one will be any the wiser, they are exactly the same. I do not think there is anyway to tell, it is impossible iirc. They look exactly the same.

A simple magnet would do the trick, the magnet would stick to a vtr block but not a furio. Although doubt many cops know that.

[Tontsy]

8v to 16v... noticable difference . . . even a monkey could tell...

where as Vosa on the other hand, have the right to remove your engine on the side of the road and strip it down!
in their vans they have everything they would need to measure the bore, piston sizes, balance of the bottom end!
and if you do try to stop them they will just crush it, and again, have all rights to do so.

[jaytay]

holy shit imagine that happening....how wounded would u be

[super_cds]

A simple magnet would do the trick, the magnet would stick to a vtr block but not a furio. Although doubt many cops know that.

the plod are allways on here checking they do now :panic:

[johnr32]

The majority of officers will not have a monkeys about car engines so you will be fine. However, as mentioned you do get the very odd few (1 in a million) who are "real" petrol heads who know a lot about engines and what cars they should belong to!

[SpeedFreakGTi]

just do it and dont get caught !!!!!!!!!! and if u do RUN ! :D

[KINGVTS]

lol at people moaning that the cops cant tell the difference between a furio vtr and vts, its only a cheap hatchback

you will be fucked if you crash and an insurance assessor or police investigation guy finds it

[dannyboy2005]

Surly the police could check the engine number against the VIN to see i that engine was put in the VIN?

I know it means most probably taking the engine out.

[Furioman]

got a mate in the police, says that they need a warrent for you to open your bonnet, but most will ask anyway since how many of us know the ins and outs of the law

[dannyboy2005]

got a mate in the police, says that they need a warrent for you to open your bonnet, but most will ask anyway since how many of us know the ins and outs of the law

goes to google.

So ho comes when you buy a car, you can pop the bonnet and have a look? You dont need a warrant then.

[shaunsvtr]

got a mate in the police, says that they need a warrent for you to open your bonnet, but most will ask anyway since how many of us know the ins and outs of the law

never haird of this befor its a car not a house lol

[jeffchiz]

goes to google.

So ho comes when you buy a car, you can pop the bonnet and have a look? You dont need a warrant then.

because if your selling a car, the seller will do what the buyer asks to sell the car! Imagine going to look at a car at the seller wont open to bonnet the car would never get sold...

[jeffchiz]

in a jay-z song he says something about his "trunk" and glovebox being locked so your your gonna need a warrant for that, but obviously thats a completely different country

[saxo-parts]

some people really need a trip to police HQ workshops and see how in depth they get with cars where the owners have tried to get clever at the roadside!! they can trace any part off any car, even more so with modern cars. grind an engine or chassis number off??? they'll find out its true ID!! Undeclared mods??? they've seen it all before.Anyone who underestimates any copper, be it a beat bobby or a pursuit driver,is in for a rude awakening. I bought a Land Cruiser years ago,direct from insurance company,that had its VIN plate removed as it was cloned by thieves. Had a repro plate made up, got pulled and even with letters from insurance company,previous owner and data from police regarding the recovery of the car from said thieves, because it set a few alarm bells ringing it took nearly 6 months to get back.

[raunchz]

people on here a very naive

[Saxo_theedge]

DigFonzSaxo youve posted this question with your location and number plate on view for everyone to see.

Im guessing the people who do this, dont say a word, keep very queit about it and drive very carefully. Doing mods that dont attracted attension.

Its also Tax evasion which you would get bummed for.

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

By law if the police pull you up and ask can you lift your bonnet you can say no and if you havnt noticed they dont go open as they have no right...... in that case they then assume your hiding something and rinng into the office and they then send down another officer with a form which i cant remember what its called but they can then lift your bonnet (basically a warrent). To be fair its rare they want you to lift the bonnet, if your genuine to them they wont give you shit. Iv been pulled many of times and iv never had to lift the bonnet.... although my engine is legal lol.

[claff]

Obviously highly illegal but unlikely to ever be investigated unless they already have reason to believe you have a different engine i.e. caught doing 125mph in a "1.1" saxo, most coppers dont know what every engine looks like, youd have to be quite unlucky

[Bickerton]

By all means tell the police man you won't open the bonnet till he gets a warrant and see how that ends for you lol, they also have no direct powers to make you get outta the car, see how that would end too.

If you choose to drive illegally etc you get everything you deserve i'm afraid

[J222JRA]

Will you also refuse to lift the bonnet if you have a crash to stop the insurance company invalidating your insurance???.......come on people do it right.

[raunchz]

There is such a thing as discretion.

Telling a policeman that you aren't opening your bonnet slightly hinders any discretion that the police may use.

[Tom5190]

If its illegal then dont do it, simple lol.

As said before at a quick glance all the 8v's look the same (that is those in the same age, i.e all blacktops and all silver tops)

But if there is reason to believe the engine is not what's declared on the insurence then they do have the right to remove it and strip it completely.

To be a traffic police officer is quite a lengthy training progress iirc (we did abit about it in college) i wouldnt underestimate any traffic officer, there job is to en-force the law on public roads, which means there main area of knowledge will be motor vehicle's, of corse they will be able to tell obvious difference's such as an extra camshaft!

And we drive saxo's, one of the main nuisence cars of young drivers so the fact that you drive a saxo already makes you a target for suspision especially if your young.

Declare the engine or buy a vts

[DigFonzSaxo]

Basically i know someone who is thinking about a Civic Type S - Type R Engine Conversion so that's why i was asking..


im quite sure if the officer asked for a look 90% of the time he'd know what he was looking for, some ppl are thick as fuck tbh, walk round thinking police havent got a clue, yes ten year ago you'd be right lol, theyre alot more intelligent now and are cracking down on EVERYTHING, and if it happend to you your car would be impounded, you'g go to court for no insurance and most likely your car would be crushed because it wasnt declared or insured

youll get serious grief on here for saing your thinking of doing this so i wouldnt even think about it, unisured drivers ruin i for everycunt!

Nope this isn't for me or that i am thinking about it, i know what everyone is like on here and i am the same tbh. But i was just wondering what would Actually happen if you were found out.

If you had say, a furio to VTR conversion, which by your car description you do. No one will be any the wiser, they are exactly the same. I do not think there is anyway to tell, it is impossible iirc. They look exactly the same.

Well that's it, i wasn't asking for me as i know 100% that it will be very very hard to tell it was a VTR lump unless you took the head off and i don't think thats happening :y: I really don't want to put a VTS engine in mine anyway and i think my car appeals to the new just passed driver who wants a VTR well..

[DigFonzSaxo]

DigFonzSaxo youve posted this question with your location and number plate on view for everyone to see.

Im guessing the people who do this, dont say a word, keep very queit about it and drive very carefully. Doing mods that dont attracted attension.

Its also Tax evasion which you would get bummed for.

From tomorrow my engine is declared due to my insurance getting renewed (Bye Bye Quinn Direct :( Boooo) How can you have insurance at £800 then it goes UP in your second year to £1400 due to a VTR engine lump in it :( F**k me..

[nufcsteve]

they check your engine number/code... I got pulled over in me mg zr converted from a 1.4 to 1.8vvc, it was a traffic police officer, and he give me a producer to take to the police station with all my documents and proof the engine was legitimate and insured properly. (check whether it was stolen) If youor engine change isnt registered with the insurance and with your V5 then you can get up to 6 points for insurance purposes and you can be arrested for potentially having a stolen engine in your car. They then impound your vehichle and if you dont pay a fine, get it insured and register your new engine it will be crushed.

Anyone who drives around with an uninsured engine or unregistered engine deserves the book thrown at them wen they are pulled over. POLICE arnt stupid they know how to tell if theres been an engine conversion!

[rey]

From tomorrow my engine is declared due to my insurance getting renewed (Bye Bye Quinn Direct :( Boooo) How can you have insurance at £800 then it goes UP in your second year to £1400 due to a VTR engine lump in it :( F**k me..

Easily, it's called not declaring a huge modification.

[LittleDude101]

officers can tell at the road side, its not that difficult, if on the PNC a car is shown as a 1.6 8v and the engine has 16v on it you have to ask more questions.

As for the needing a warrant to open a bonnet... to put it simply... you dont.
When asked, if you say no it will raise suspicion, probably resulting in your car being searched (say for stolen property, as thats what I would choose)... During the search, the officer is entitled to open to bonnet. If you dont help/refuse etc, the car can be seized, you can be arrested for obstruction bla bla bla...

If an officer cant tell at the roadside, they can get VOSA down as they have contact with them. Police also have books in the station that tells you where to look for the engine/chassis number etc. If they dont match up, then game on.

If you do choose to drive round with an undeclared engine it it, that will invalidate the insurance (6 points, £200 fine), then you could also look at getting arrested for Fraud (articles in use of etc) as you are using it when you know you shouldnt

[geordie_alex]

Easy solution, declare the engine swap to the dvla, might take a couple of weeks to get processed but at least your legal and your car wont get impounded or crushed...or go buy a car with that engione in, its much easyer from the start and you wont get in as much trouble when pulled by the plod.

My c20xe corsa was declared and it only took about 2-3 weeks for them to get the new logbook out to me and then 10 mins to have a massive hike on my insurance!!!

[Kev_Vtec]

if your going to do it do it right.
ide be so mad if i put a better engine in a car then the police took it of me.
for somthink as daft as not say oh dvla its not a 1.2i now.... its a redtop.
if people cant pay the extra on insurance then maybe they shouldnt of put a faster engine in?

[Peter_D]

Basically i know someone who is thinking about a Civic Type S - Type R Engine Conversion so that's why i was asking..


Why would he even consider the Type-S engine? :geek:

[rey]

Why would he even consider the Type-S engine? :geek:

Moving from the Type S engine, to the Type R engine.

[Mr_X]

the police in my area wouldnt be able to tell you the make/model of the car, let alone the engine.

FACT

[CHIP]

A lad i know has a Nova with a redtop. He was asked to open his bonnet and refused to. Didn't go any further.

[CraigLovelock]

All of the red tops...

[trackjace]

The only way most coppers would tell if you had a r engine in a furio is from the VIN number?

[SnakeVTR]

your best off declaring a engine conversion these days, especially with insurance companys like adrian flux around, they will insure almost any engine drop ins and cover all performance parts very cheaply :D

[neil-gti]

i was stopped be for and asked if the car was moddified i said no of course :) was nice and low on cyclones and different lights and exhaust. he just said ok then of u go and that was it :D

[geordie_alex]

if your going to do it do it right.
ide be so mad if i put a better engine in a car then the police took it of me.
for somthink as daft as not say oh dvla its not a 1.2i now.... its a redtop.
if people cant pay the extra on insurance then maybe they shouldnt of put a faster engine in?


Kev's right, lose your car in two mins when a copper stops you or wait two weeks to drive it, I know what Id rather do!

For engine coversion cars the Kit car insurers are usually good, I eventually found that out and never looked back, mind you with all the trouble i had with the corsa i havnt done another conversion, not planning to with the sax either. Buy the car with the performance you want cos in the long run it will cost you more for the conversion, parts, labour, insurance etc!!!

[ben_VTR]

someone i know got caught speening in a 1.0 corsa with a redtop engine. cops questioned him how he was doing 120mph found out about the engine conversion, is now getting chrged with.... speeding, no insurance and fruad (fraud because he was paying tax for a 1.0) Bad times ?

[0rang3peel]

got a mate in the police, says that they need a warrent for you to open your bonnet, but most will ask anyway since how many of us know the ins and outs of the law

HAHAHAHA I can just see it now,

can you pop open the bonnet please?

"have you got a warrant for that"

clearly winding you up mate.

[nufcsteve]

if sum little radgie crashed into my car in a corsa/nova for example with a REDTOP engine and they hadnt insure it. I would beat the living shit out of them at the side of the road.

Theres a reason for insurance.... Not to mention what would happen if you knock someone over with an uninsured engine.. JAIL TIME

I was naive and thought i wouldnt declare my mods. But then its not worth the bother. PAY THE EXTRA and stop moaning at how much it is, because if you can afford to mod ur car especially and engine conversion theres no reeason y u cant afford to insure it.

[LeeM]

if you get pulled say its declared. cops cant phone your insurer but they wont tell them anything as it breaches DPA.
when my saxo was written off it was only inspected by the garage who declared it as a total loss, no one from the insurers even bothered to look at it.

[nufcsteve]

if you get pulled say its declared. cops cant phone your insurer but they wont tell them anything as it breaches DPA.
when my saxo was written off it was only inspected by the garage who declared it as a total loss, no one from the insurers even bothered to look at it.

When i wrote off my focus. Quinn insurance sent a guy out to check over my car as i had an engine conversion declared, tinted windows, alloys, lowered and a sound system. Basically they didnt wanna pay out and were looking for an excuse to say i hadnt fully insured the vehichle. Took me 4 months to get anymoney back

[Bound]

if you get pulled say its declared. cops cant phone your insurer but they wont tell them anything as it breaches DPA.
when my saxo was written off it was only inspected by the garage who declared it as a total loss, no one from the insurers even bothered to look at it.

Do you mean can mate? :p. I'm sure insurers can tell the police if they phone and ask if a) you're insured (if ANPR hasn't already, which can happen), and b) what modifications you have.

When i wrote off my focus. Quinn insurance sent a guy out to check over my car as i had an engine conversion declared, tinted windows, alloys, lowered and a sound system. Basically they didnt wanna pay out and were looking for an excuse to say i hadnt fully insured the vehichle. Took me 4 months to get anymoney back

Think that's normal mate, insures like to explore all avenues before paying out, being in a hurry to give you money isn't a priority for them.

[Tontsy]

The majority of officers will not have a monkeys about car engines so you will be fine. However, as mentioned you do get the very odd few (1 in a million) who are "real" petrol heads who know a lot about engines and what cars they should belong to!

wtf are you smoking?

ok, a normal cop cant prosicute because of a vehicle offence, it has to be a traffic cop.
every traffic cop i know, could tell the difference from a big end bearing and a cam shaft!

halfthe dimwitted "boy racers" on the roads in this country could not!

[LeeM]

Do you mean can mate? :p. I'm sure insurers can tell the police if they phone and ask if a) you're insured (if ANPR hasn't already, which can happen), and b) what modifications you have.



nope they can confirm cover but not details of that cover like mods and points etc. data protection doesnt allow it

[nufcsteve]

i love that people think traffic police cant do there job. People on this forum are so Naive!

[nufcsteve]

nope they can confirm cover but not details of that cover like mods and points etc. data protection doesnt allow it

mate that is the funniest thing ive heard all day. Funny how i got pulled over and the police officer told me exactly wot im covered for. Then told me i needed to insure me tinted lights.

[saxova]

Q. What would happen if the Police etc saw that you had a different engine?

A. 6 points 200 quid fine, and possibly fraud for paying the wrong tax.

Chance's your going to get found out? Minimal.

I was 17 when i got my nova turbo. I was paying 2100, and it was registered as a 1.4 SRI, Obviously at 17 the insurance would of tripled if i declared a 200bhp turbo charged engine..

Got pulled countless times. 3 different traffic cops pulled me, not one asked to see under the bonnet. 1 normal copper pulled me, and tryed saying he was suspicious of me having drugs in the car.. so he searched, and asked to look under the bonnet, and his reaction was ' fuck me that's shiny ' Not a word about having the wrong engine in.

Was abit obvious, Bonnet pins, FMIC, Turbo gauge where clock used to be.. But they didn't click on.

Also been pulled in the sax, the cop was laughing at my car being -60mm, and asked if i had a sore back etc.. mentioned about the aftermarket exhaust etc.. Didnt ask if anything was declared or not.

[LeeM]

mate that is the funniest thing ive heard all day. Funny how i got pulled over and the police officer told me exactly wot im covered for. Then told me i needed to insure me tinted lights.

its funny how i work in car insurance and know the law and what im allowed to disclose and what im not. im tested annually on my knowledge of dpa and the like in order to keep working in the industry.

[CHIP]

Traffic cop's are very wise when it comes to car's and bikes. They become traffic cop's because they have an interest in car's and bikes!

[Tontsy]

lets clear things up.

some people are so fucking retarded its unreal!

if you get pulled over...
you DO NOT have to get out of your car
you DO NOT have to give them your license
you DO NOT have to open the boot, glove box or bonnet.

you CAN even ask them to get in your CAR!

but this obvioulsy doesnt help the situation!

the reason they need to see under the bonnet is because...
unsecure battery! they have the right to have your car towed away for this!
washer bottle being empty... again have the right to remove your vehicle from the road!

the can say, hmm that induction kit, declared?
but are they that petty... they are more likly to catch you on illegal tyres and be more bothered about that!
but yes they have the detail to what is on the insurence policy, from drivers, to modifications, to engine . . .

as said, traffic cops arnt fucking stupid, unlike alot of you seem to be!
they have to study law, vehicles, from how they accelerate, to how they stop, to how they would react in a crash!
the majority of traffic cops would say, thats not the correct engine for that car!

but its not just the police you need to worry about!
as i mentioned, VOSA... obvioulsy most of you have never heard of them or have any idea on who they are...
the police have nothing on them, as they MAKE the rules.
and they dont need the rights to crush a car, then can just do it.

[nufcsteve]

its funny how i work in car insurance and know the law and what im allowed to disclose and what im not. im tested annually on my knowledge of dpa and the like in order to keep working in the industry.

You know the law.... Mate the police are the law. They can get any information about u they like. Thats a FACT

[Tontsy]

Traffic cop's are very wise when it comes to car's and bikes. They become traffic cop's because they have an interest in car's and bikes!

the reason im doing all my advanced licenses on cars and bikes!
and doing the most i can, as i want to be a traffic cop...

so i can pull most of the little fuckers on the road... :D

[Tontsy]

You know the law.... Mate the police are the law. They can get any information about u they like. Thats a FACT

trueeee!

[CHIP]

the reason im doing all my advanced licenses on cars and bikes!
and doing the most i can, as i want to be a traffic cop...

so i can pull most of the little fuckers on the road... :D

Haha, my dad's friend was a traffic cop. He's owned Escort Cosworth's, m3's, Hyabusa's - the lot.

[stingray1987]

A simple magnet would do the trick, the magnet would stick to a vtr block but not a furio. Although doubt many cops know that.

stop giving tips away then lol

[nufcsteve]

I dislike anyone who is driving around with an uninsured engine in there car.

[LeeM]

You know the law.... Mate the police are the law. They can get any information about u they like. Thats a FACT

the police arent above the law, they arent the law they simply enforce it. whether you believe me or not, the law states that no one can get unauthorised access to your personal data and the police ringing your insurer and asking whats declared on the policy is an unauthorised request. yes it can eventually be obtained, but not at the roadside

[Mr_P]

if sum little radgie crashed into my car in a corsa/nova for example with a REDTOP engine and they hadnt insure it. I would beat the living shit out of them at the side of the road.

Why would it make fuck all difference to you?

Insurance company would still have to pay out for your losses just not theirs.

There's a massive difference between an uninsured driver and somebody driving a car with undeclared mods.

[LeeM]

Why would it make fuck all difference to you?

Insurance company would still have to pay out for your losses just not theirs.

There's a massive difference between an uninsured driver and somebody driving a car with undeclared mods.

at least someone understands.

[Tontsy]

Haha, my dad's friend was a traffic cop. He's owned Escort Cosworth's, m3's, Hyabusa's - the lot.

i was up in peterborough just over a year ago!
and as i was going on the motorway to come home again, there was LOADS of cops, in cars, BMWS, , focuses and that!
then on their bikes!

then undercover bikes... 5 frikkin hayabusas ! no fucker is going to get away from them! :D

oh traffic cops have the coolest of jobs!
and get to own the best of rides!

[nufcsteve]

the police arent above the law, they arent the law they simply enforce it. whether you believe me or not, the law states that no one can get unauthorised access to your personal data and the police ringing your insurer and asking whats declared on the policy is an unauthorised request. yes it can eventually be obtained, but not at the roadside

well quite clearly the police officer who pulled me over was just making it up then. Funny tho really, the police can pull you over tell you where u live, what crimes u have commited, search you personally, search your car, find out whos on your insurance, arrest you at the side of the road, take your vehichle off you, crush your vehichle. But they cant tell find out if you are insured for that induction kit under your bonnet..... LMAO :y:

[Bound]

Why would it make fuck all difference to you?

Insurance company would still have to pay out for your losses just not theirs.

There's a massive difference between an uninsured driver and somebody driving a car with undeclared mods.

But there insurance would be void? So insurance company could just say "Wasn't covered, had no insurance" Void insurance = No insurance correct? I understand what you're saying bud, about not covering them, only the other party, but I can also imagine insurance companies wriggling out of it.

[nufcsteve]

Why would it make fuck all difference to you?

Insurance company would still have to pay out for your losses just not theirs.

There's a massive difference between an uninsured driver and somebody driving a car with undeclared mods.

Y would it make a difference to me? coz they shouldnt be on the road mate, thats y it makes a difference to me. if you cant afford to insure it dont do it?

[CHIP]

i was up in peterborough just over a year ago!
and as i was going on the motorway to come home again, there was LOADS of cops, in cars, BMWS, , focuses and that!
then on their bikes!

then undercover bikes... 5 frikkin hayabusas ! no fucker is going to get away from them! :D

oh traffic cops have the coolest of jobs!
and get to own the best of rides!

Lad i were riding with the other weekend got stopped by an undercover Blade and GSXR1000.

They told him ' it's not a case of if we catch you, but when we catch you '

[LeeM]

well quite clearly the police officer who pulled me over was just making it up then. Funny tho really, the police can pull you over tell you where u live, what crimes u have commited, search you personally, search your car, find out whos on your insurance, arrest you at the side of the road, take your vehichle off you, crush your vehichle. But they cant tell find out if you are insured for that induction kit under your bonnet..... LMAO :y:

yes, where you live and what crimes youve commited as thats info on their own systems. search you and your car if they have a valid justified reason they can back up.
they cant find out whos on the policy, or if youre insured for your induction kit, just admit youre fucking wrong.

what is it that you do for a living so i can tell you that you know fuck all about that as well?

[Peter_D]

You know the law.... Mate the police are the law. They can get any information about u they like. Thats a FACT

The police are not the law, they only represent and enforce the law

[LeeM]

But there insurance would be void? So insurance company could just say "Wasn't covered, had no insurance" Void insurance = No insurance correct? I understand what you're saying bud, about not covering them, only the other party, but I can also imagine insurance companies wriggling out of it.

they still have an obligation to pay under the RTA, but can take the policy holder to court for reimbursement.
another option is to recalculate the premium with all mods accounted for and charge you the difference

[nufcsteve]

yes, where you live and what crimes youve commited as thats info on their own systems. search you and your car if they have a valid justified reason they can back up.
they cant find out whos on the policy, or if youre insured for your induction kit, just admit youre fucking wrong.

what is it that you do for a living so i can tell you that you know fuck all about that as well?

Mate im an operations manager for a company. And yes they can tell you who is on your policy. And yes they can find out what ur insured for. end of discussion

[Tontsy]

Lad i were riding with the other weekend got stopped by an undercover Blade and GSXR1000.

They told him ' it's not a case of if we catch you, but when we catch you '

ahaha! sounds about right!

some traffic cops are safe as fuck!
spesh the ones who are truly petrol heads!

a lad i work with, got a Busa . . . everynight on the way to his old work he would open it up abit more!

one night he got clocked doing 120...
on come the lights and that, and he pulled over.
the copper said to him " i have one of these, and know what they are capable of! i know that if you didnt want us to stop you, we would of had no chance"

thanks for pulling over, ill say you were doing 90!

jammy fuck!

[Tontsy]

Mate im an operations manager for a company. And yes they can tell you who is on your policy. And yes they can find out what ur insured for. end of discussion

tbh i dont care who you work for lol.
but yes your right!

they know who, and what is on the insurance!
simple.

[LeeM]

Mate im an operations manager for a company. And yes they can tell you who is on your policy. And yes they can find out what ur insured for. end of discussion

no, they cant. feel free to look up the data protection act

[Tontsy]

no, they cant. feel free to look up the data protection act

feel free to get pulled over and ask.

[LeeM]

i dont need to, i work in car insurance ffs im a claims adjuster and have been for 3 years

[Tontsy]

i dont need to, i work in car insurance ffs im a claims adjuster and have been for 3 years

i couldnt fucking care less! your obviously shit at general knowledge!
im insured on my car, and my dads... he is too insured on mine!

so how come when i got pulled in his Jag they said, you dont seem to be a Mr Higgins, aged 42 . . . so we pulled you over.
i told them my name and details and off i went!

most of my fam are traffic cops
and im trying to become one!

tbh, i know im right so cant be assed with a fucking argument over the net!

[nufcsteve]

i love how this arguement is going. Ive been pulled over and had all my modification read out to me by a police officer. I dont need to be told by an insurer how the police do there job, witnessed it first hand. Mods on your car is not under data protection. Personal details are.

[LeeM]

i couldnt fucking care less! your obviously shit at general knowledge!
im insured on my car, and my dads... he is too insured on mine!

so how come when i got pulled in his Jag they said, you dont seem to be a Mr Higgins, aged 42 . . . so we pulled you over.
i told them my name and details and off i went!

most of my fam are traffic cops
and im trying to become one!

tbh, i know im right so cant be assed with a fucking argument over the net!

anpr shows up the regsitered keeper of a vehicle and whether its taxed, mot'd and insured. the police know this because its their own database.
they cannot access your personal information thats stored in line with the dpa on a system thats not their own. this isnt general knowledge, its law. as i say look up the data protection act, then stop telling me im wrong.

[Tontsy]

i love how this arguement is going. Ive been pulled over and had all my modification read out to me by a police officer. I dont need to be told by an insurer how the police do there job, witnessed it first hand. Mods on your car is not under data protection. Personal details are.

hmm they can get a copy of your insurance cert if required...personal details are available on road side too.

[raunchz]

you guys might want to read this before commenting:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980029_en_1

[LeeM]

its irrelevant anyway, because even if you didnt declare mods youre still insured until the insurer cancels the policy. so therefore driving completely in line with the law.

[Bickerton]

its irrelevant anyway, because even if you didnt declare mods youre still insured until the insurer cancels the policy. so therefore driving completely in line with the law.

Is it easy to get cheap insurance once you have insurance cancelled and for the rest of your life have to tick yeas in the "have you ever had insurance cancelled or declined?" box ;)

[french_baguette]

its irrelevant anyway, because even if you didnt declare mods youre still insured until the insurer cancels the policy. so therefore driving completely in line with the law.


Oh right so its okay if I stick a cheeky v12 in the boot of my car and smash it into the local conveniance store, im still insured as my insurence need to cancel the policy before i toasted it?

Sound!

Why don't you just admit your wrong?

[Tontsy]

did you know, you cant get life insurance if you willingly got an aids test .

[Peter_D]

(2)
A data controller is not obliged to supply any information under subsection (1) unless he has received—


(a)
a request in writing, and

(b)
except in prescribed cases, such fee (not exceeding the prescribed maximum) as he may require.

(3)
A data controller is not obliged to comply with a request under this section unless he is supplied with such information as he may reasonably require in order to satisfy himself as to the identity of the person making the request and to locate the information which that person seeks.

(4)
Where a data controller cannot comply with the request without disclosing information relating to another individual who can be identified from that information, he is not obliged to comply with the request unless—

(a)
the other individual has consented to the disclosure of the information to the person making the request

[LeeM]

Is it easy to get cheap insurance once you have insurance cancelled and for the rest of your life have to tick yeas in the "have you ever had insurance cancelled or declined?" box ;)

its not no.

Oh right so its okay if I stick a cheeky v12 in the boot of my car and smash it into the local conveniance store, im still insured as my insurence need to cancel the policy before i toasted it?

Sound!

Why don't you just admit your wrong?

because im not wrong? i didnt say if you smashed it youd be ok, im saying at the point you got pulled over you would have insurance cover in place to cover you for tp damages so not commiting an offence technically.

i am not saying its ok to not declare your mods and you'll probably not be indemnified by your insurer in the event of a big claim, im just stating facts

[LeeM]

(2)
A data controller is not obliged to supply any information under subsection (1) unless he has received—



(a)
a request in writing, and



(b)
except in prescribed cases, such fee (not exceeding the prescribed maximum) as he may require.



(3)
A data controller is not obliged to comply with a request under this section unless he is supplied with such information as he may reasonably require in order to satisfy himself as to the identity of the person making the request and to locate the information which that person seeks.



(4)
Where a data controller cannot comply with the request without disclosing information relating to another individual who can be identified from that information, he is not obliged to comply with the request unless—



(a)
the other individual has consented to the disclosure of the information to the person making the request


this is a legal act, however im sure people in here will insist that doesnt matter to the police and they can do what they want?

[nufcsteve]

A data controller is not obliged to supply any information under subsection - so basically the insurance can give out the information it depends on whos on the other end of the radio/phone

[LeeM]

no, thats not what it means.

[raunchz]

What about Part IV, section 29 of the DPA act?

I don't know the answer so am not taking sides here.

[Peter_D]

Thats part of the data protection act which to break it down basically, says the data controller (insurer) isn't obliged to give out information unless he has had a request in writing (2a), or the person has consented to them giving his information to the 3rd party (4a)

So it is technically illegal for them to give your information out to the police at the road side via a phone call, but the fact is many insurers wont know this and will just give out the information anyway without knowing the law, and also the person who has been stopped probably wont know his rights so wont realise he is able to prevent his information being passed on to the police at the road side

[weetz]

The police in my area are are clued up with vauxhall drivers and there xe and let conversions, but they don't seem to be to clued up about french cars as I got a section 30 and they record my 106 as a saxo haha.

[nufcsteve]

well what does it mean then? hes not obliged means he doesnt have 2?

[nufcsteve]

oh well if thats true then, they must of illegally gave the police officer information then. I was told exactly what i was insured for

[LeeM]

Thats part of the data protection act which to break it down basically, says the data controller (insurer) isn't obliged to give out information unless he has had a request in writing (2a), or the person has consented to them giving his information to the 3rd party (4a)

So it is technically illegal for them to give your information out to the police at the road side via a phone call, but the fact is many insurers wont know this and will just give out the information anyway without knowing the law, and also the person who has been stopped probably wont know his rights so wont realise he is able to prevent his information being passed on to the police at the road side

we do know this, like ive said your tested annually to ensure youre up to date with regulations.

[french_baguette]

If a copper rings up your insurence company because he suspects you have lied to your insurers what are the chances of the insurence company saying, 'nah sorry were not giving you any information becuase the data protection act says we can't',?

Its very naive to think the insurence company is on your side if your in trouble with the law, and they will do everything in there power to get cars that don't have the correct insurence off the road.

[LeeM]

oh well if thats true then, they must of illegally gave the police officer information then. I was told exactly what i was insured for

they did, you can seek compensation for this.

[nufcsteve]

If a copper rings up your insurence company because he suspects you have lied to your insurers what are the chances of the insurence company saying, 'nah sorry were not giving you any information becuase the data protection act says we can't',?

Its very naive to think the insurence company is on your side if your in trouble with the law, and they will do everything in there power to get cars that don't have the correct insurence off the road.

i agree +1

[LeeM]

If a copper rings up your insurence company because he suspects you have lied to your insurers what are the chances of the insurence company saying, 'nah sorry were not giving you any information becuase the data protection act says we can't',?


do you realise what youre asking? if you breach the data protection act you can be personally fined. if i was asked something i wasnt allowed to disclose then id refuse, whoever i was speaking to.
police are bound by the law as much as the rest of us.

[baker556]

If a copper rings up your insurence company because he suspects you have lied to your insurers what are the chances of the insurence company saying, 'nah sorry were not giving you any information becuase the data protection act says we can't',?

Its very naive to think the insurence company is on your side if your in trouble with the law, and they will do everything in there power to get cars that don't have the correct insurence off the road.

Not when giving out the information is illegal.

[Peter_D]

we do know this, like ive said your tested annually to ensure youre up to date with regulations.

I wasn't meaning you personally, as im basically backing up what you are saying, so obviously YOU know the score

But for the sake of everyone else.. Some other insurance company workers will give out details to the police regardless. The only way to stop them would be for the person in question to come on the phone and say to them "ive not authorised you to give my details out over the phone so dont do it"

And if they do give them out, you then seek legal advice and they are in trouble. But if they do as you say and don't give it out, the policeman will have to send a written letter to request the information, which he is then entitled to retrieve as they know who they are sending it to

Anyone could phone up insurance and say "Hello this is PC Plod, i have stopped Mr Phil MyCrackin, registration number BE57 NDR, could i have his details please to confirm something.."

[Rogue_Shadow]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3343/3329302922_b899e80563.jpg

CHILL!


.

[LeeM]

unfortunately noobs do give out info they shouldnt, and clearly going by this thread the general public arent aware of their rights under law.
once its requested in the correct manner then yeah the info can be given out.

[nufcsteve]

lmao at that pic mate

[Mr_P]

Lol!

Every person who has mentioned others being naive are in fact the ones being naive.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/3663/pwned2lv6.jpg

[Tom]

LeeM is 100% right, surprised people don't know about this stuff already.

[LeeM]

booyah

[Peter_D]

i couldnt fucking care less! your obviously shit at general knowledge!
im insured on my car, and my dads... he is too insured on mine!

so how come when i got pulled in his Jag they said, you dont seem to be a Mr Higgins, aged 42 . . . so we pulled you over.
i told them my name and details and off i went!

most of my fam are traffic cops
and im trying to become one!

tbh, i know im right so cant be assed with a fucking argument over the net!

I think you owe LeeM an apology lad :oops:

[MatthewRob]

why do i find arguements on the internet funny haha

[Tontsy]

I think you owe LeeM an apology lad :oops:

for what?
wether it is or its not legal for the company to give details to the police officer, they have, and he came back with both mine and my dads details. on numerous occasions.

i said it was accessible...that a cop has access to it!
experienced it first hand!

wether it was right for him to get given the information has nothing to do with the matter! if they COULD or COULDNT get the information was the question here!
and the answer is YES they can!

[LeeM]

tell me where i said that it was impossible for a copper to ring your insurer and ask for information? i stated the legalities of it and was told i was wrong, when i wasnt :)

[Tontsy]

tell me where i said that it was impossible for a copper to ring your insurer and ask for information? i stated the legalities of it and was told i was wrong, when i wasnt :)

my argument was, its accessible.
i couldnt care less about it being legal or not.

i will apologise if it didnt come across like that!
but i still stand, that its easily available on the roadside.

[Peter_D]

for what?
wether it is or its not legal for the company to give details to the police officer, they have, and he came back with both mine and my dads details. on numerous occasions.

i said it was accessible...that a cop has access to it!
experienced it first hand!

wether it was right for him to get given the information has nothing to do with the matter! if they COULD or COULDNT get the information was the question here!
and the answer is YES they can!

So: "Can the police retrieve your details at the road side via a phone call to your insurers"...YES they can sometimes obtain it, but it is ILLEGAL

Thats like someone asking "Can you murder someone in the UK?". Your reply...."YES you can!" (but not legally, but you can still do it)

Just admit you are wrong, you will be a cunt of a traffic cop with that attitude

[Peter_D]

my argument was, its accessible.
i couldnt care less about it being legal or not.

i will apologise if it didnt come across like that!
but i still stand, that its easily available on the roadside.

Drugs are readily available...does this mean it is right to retrieve a bag of drugs from someone? The law says no..

Information is available from some insurers at thei own risk and discretion...does this mean its right to retrieve that information? The law says no...but you say yes so the law is wrong

[Tontsy]

So: "Can the police retrieve your details at the road side via a phone call to your insurers"...YES they can sometimes obtain it, but it is ILLEGAL

Thats like someone asking "Can you murder someone in the UK?". Your reply...."YES you can!" (but not legally, but you can still do it)

Just admit you are wrong, you will be a cunt of a traffic cop with that attitude

wether its illegal for the insurance company to disclose the information, its down the the company to sort it out.
i still stand by my argument of it being accessible. legal or not... i couldnt care less!

okhaibai!

[baker556]

Surely the Police know this Law of data protection act,

Their suppose to enforce the law not break it, ok its not braking the law to ask for details but it sure is enforcing someone else to.

[Tontsy]

Surely the Police know this Law of data protection act,

Their suppose to enforce the law not break it, ok its not braking the law to ask for details but it sure is enforcing someone else to.

now you have started something else...
if the police know its illegal for them to be told the information, then why do they do it?

maybe its not illegal for them to ask... but knowing they will get the answer.

[tom130691]

8v to 16v... noticable difference . . . even a monkey could tell...

where as Vosa on the other hand, have the right to remove your engine on the side of the road and strip it down!
in their vans they have everything they would need to measure the bore, piston sizes, balance of the bottom end!
and if you do try to stop them they will just crush it, and again, have all rights to do so.

i want them to do this to me will amuse me for a few hours lol

[Mr_P]

wether its illegal for the insurance company to disclose the information, its down the the company to sort it out.
i still stand by my argument of it being accessible. legal or not... i couldnt care less!

okhaibai!

You have all the characteristics to be a typical traffic cop :y:














And the reason they get such a bad name :homme:

[baker556]

now you have started something else...
if the police know its illegal for them to be told the information, then why do they do it?

maybe its not illegal for them to ask... but knowing they will get the answer.

You are gonna be one arse of a traffic cop.

[nufcsteve]

i gave my arguement up. LeeM proved my point right and himself right in the same sentance. The insurer in my case must not of followed the proper procedure. So ive dropped my case. I think the police shud be allowed to access this info freely tho