New Nurburgring Rules for 2010

[PJN]

Saw these on another forum and didn't know whether you's knew about this.

General Rules:-

- Stupid parking (i.e. any parking not in a clearly marked place) will be rewarded with a 100% guaranteed winning ticket to pick your car up from an exciting location in Adenau. This means verges, over kerbs, abandoned next to mates cars which aren't moving etc...
- Crap parking will also be rewarded with a day-long ban from the Nordschleife AND its car park.
- Parking capacity will be expanded before season begins to match the above enforcement
- No change to basic rules - no vids, no paid taxi laps, etc...


It seems they are going to come down HARD on cars that arent prepared correctly!

Car Rules:-

- Bonnet pins are now TOTALLY verboten. Even if covered with tape or rubber. It's flush mount or standard bonnets only
- Interior trim - NO sharp edges or even tatty-looking 'rip outs' will be tolerated. You must have door cards installed, you can't leave shin-breaking metal beams uncovered under your dash.
- Roll bars and cages must be padded where your body will hit them. This will be checked more.
- Expect more TüV time - this is where a Meister guy from the the standards body here in Germany spends time at the gate spot-checking for safe and unsafe cars. This can only be a good thing provided the decisions are consistent.
- valid MOT certificate, tax-disc and insurance that does not have funny small print. if you already fail to produce any of the above criteria then game over.
- weld in or bolt in cages only with certificate from the manufacturer or TUV stating the complete construction of car/cage is safe and solid and from within the last two years. same applies to harness bars, especially concerning the welds.
- seatbelts/seats/seatmounts fall in the same criteria, so unless you have a certificate from a governing body (uk or germany does not matter but german preferred) saying the construction is save.
- bucket seats and harnesses will only be tolerated when mounted on corresponding subframes and only seats/harnesses still within FIA will be accepted at spot checks. anything out of date will not be tollerated.
- perspex windows is another sore point on modern cars as they are part of the carrying structure of the vehicle. not so much a problem with older cars with rubber seals.

[lemon191]

youll have to dye your hair blonde and wear blue contact lenses next... lol

as for bonnet pins i thought they were better than a standard bonnet catch? so why are they disallowed?

[KamRacing]

Most of the rules are stupid though some are a good idea.
We dont have a TUV approval system here and I dont see why you need FIA valid seats. Your seats and harness mountings would be covered by an MOT though

[PJN]

I'm a bit puzzled as to how they must think seats that are past their FIA Approval date aren't safe. I'm sure there designed to last a bit longer than that.

[Viper]

this was posted recently.

Also, I want to know who found the information. it has clearly been thrown through an online translator. lol

[Tony]

I'm a bit puzzled as to how they must think seats that are past their FIA Approval date aren't safe. I'm sure there designed to last a bit longer than that.

It's probably just their way of trying to stop people turning up in stripped out sh*t boxes and spoiling das uber rich people's fun and getting in the way of their Porkers.

[hard_corejoeboy]

Bums my car will be decatted will i be okay?

[KamRacing]

- Roll bars and cages must be padded where your body will hit them. This will be checked more.


personally I would try and make sure I dont hit the rollcage :P

[Reechard]

That is taken direct from a offical site I believe.
I have seen that on loads of car sites.

Bit annoying for some things but its to stop people turning up with unsafe cars due to the amount of crashes.

[Aly]

Your seats and harness mountings would be covered by an MOT though

Yes but unless your car came out the factory with harnesses it is an MOT fail.

I have no idea how I will get on the ring now.
My cage is secured good but I have no padding on it.

[paulydixon]

So, standard cars are your safest option?

[Reechard]

They dont check every car.
They only check some, but its always best to go with everything as they ask.

[Aly]

So, standard cars are your safest option?

Exactly mate, Ze Germans don't get it?

When I go there and overtake them I'm gonna stick my head out window and shout "Fick Dein Mutter Dust Duslanders!" LOL Bad spelling

[maddison_vts]

Yes but unless your car came out the factory with harnesses it is an MOT fail.

never heard this before....

every garage i know will pass harnesses as long as they are correctly secured.

[hard_corejoeboy]

How exactly are you going to get caught recording a video? Hard to police no?

[SamW]

Aly get pipe insulation, padded enough ;)

[paulydixon]

I think if i ever went i'd go in my Civic anyway, i'd not be confident making it there in anything else lol

[hard_corejoeboy]

never heard this before....

every garage i know will pass harnesses as long as they are correctly secured.

Pretty sure they are legal provided they use the factory mounting points.

[paulydixon]

The r26.r boys have trouble with theirs i remember reading, something to do with the buckle displeases the Krouts

[mtpagey]

Ragin'! how are bonnet pins not any safer than standard bonnet catches? If its not clipped down properly then either way its gonna flip up!

so im gonna fail on bonnet pins, non padded cage, probability of buckets and harnesses not in FIA approval, cage may not have a certificate from manufacturer etc etc!

[KamRacing]

Yes but unless your car came out the factory with harnesses it is an MOT fail.

I have no idea how I will get on the ring now.
My cage is secured good but I have no padding on it.

thats not true i'm sure. To the letter of the law I believe you should have the road legal harnesses with the push button release. The aircraft style quick release is for motorsport only.

[Ryan]

bonnet pins are not TUV approved, they also do not sit flush.

Aly - its really not hard to sort your issue, your cage should have padding on anyway.

[Aly]

thats not true i'm sure. To the letter of the law I believe you should have the road legal harnesses with the push button release. The aircraft style quick release is for motorsport only.

Ah ok thanks for clearing that up. I have the road version but was told that MOT centres would not pass this.

[KamRacing]

I'm sure my old 205 passed with the race harnesses years ago. To be honest I dont think they care as long as its secure and safe but theres a risk

[PJN]

I found this on ClioSport if anyone's curious of the source by the way.

[Tony]

As said, it was on here months ago, in the Mids section I think, so whether it's true is not in doubt.

[Meto]

So you can go belting round as fast as you like, but if your car has bonnet pins then its not allowed and unsafe. Riiiiiiiiiight.

[mtpagey]

for the publicity an reputation the ring has though... surely you'd have thought it would have any official rules/regulations etc posted publicly. does sound a bit ott considering you could have a car running 500bhp and as long as its got seatbelts and standard iterior your good to go

surely someone's been this year and can post up with current rules? rather than us playing chinese whispers over the internet :ponder:

[oz_]

So you can go belting round as fast as you like, but if your car has bonnet pins then its not allowed and unsafe. Riiiiiiiiiight.

This is probably because there are so many cheap shit aluminium bonnet pin around and people remove the bonnet catch. (the thing you have to pull under the bonnet after the lever in the car) Proper bonnet pins need to be made of steel.

An alternative to bonnet pins are Aerocatches. I have a set - not cheap but look so much better. Also lockable! So nobody can nick my lovely Citroen Sport airfilter cowling again :wall:

[TU-Tuning]

My cage is older than 2 years, my seats are around 3 years out of date as are my harnesses. Fair enough its blatently unsafe.

Ill just put one of my spare 16v's in a base model S1 106 and hoon over there, you cant put a price on safety.

Fucking madness. That cant be completely correct or half the track cars in Europe will be exempt. Have the owners just bought shares in all the rollcage and bucket seat companies? Some of those really make no sense to me. If theyre worried about safety a thorough check of the car will cover that anyway.

[KINGVTS]

i cant believe how short sited some people are on this site

[D--R--E--W]

i cant believe how short sited some people are on this site

Meaning?

[TU-Tuning]

Care to elaborate on that one? Admittedly my comments were OTT, but although many of those make sense the FIA style regulations for seating and cages makes none atall going on the assumption that these details are legit?

[mtpagey]

My cage is older than 2 years, my seats are around 3 years out of date as are my harnesses. Fair enough its blatently unsafe

tbh though thats not 'blatantly unsafe'... it just means they're not up to the strict current fia restrictions so you cant use them for competition use.

occassional track goers wouldnt spend the kinda money needed on a track setup if it HAD to be replaced every two years in roder to keep it within spec :n:

An alternative to bonnet pins are Aerocatches. I have a set - not cheap but look so much better. Also lockable! So nobody can nick my lovely Citroen Sport airfilter cowling again :wall:

wouldnt have thought aerocatches were any better :ponder:

[ryanmt]

aerocatches are fully flush so should be fine, im in the same boat with the cage/buckets/harnesses though. Bugger.

[KamRacing]

The thing is you can buy non FIA approved seats! I have the OMP catalogue with four that are probably stronger than a road seat but potentially not allowed on track.
Some of these rules are basically stupid but that could be because its gone through an online translator.
People should be driving cars that are in better than average condition though but the rules should somewhat be flexible to what is allowed on road cars.

[TU-Tuning]

Its gotta be incorrect. The cage and seats rule would outlaw a lot of seriously expensive track toys aswell as all the classic racers, custom one off's etc. The Porsche boys in particular Id imagine will be very pissed

[webby]

the ring isnt a race track on a tourist day, it's a one way public toll road so it makes sense that the car has to comply to road regulations.

[oz_]

A lot of you don't realise that it's not the cage that has to be less than 2yrs old. It's the certificate saying that it meets FIA regs is less than 2yrs old. A completely custom cage can have a certificate from a qualified scrutineer. Harnesses can be re-dated by companies - they replace the threads by the buckles. This is pointless unless you have paid a lot of money for some top spec harnesses. Seats can be re-dated - not sure what or how but yeh.

Aerocatches are much stronger than £10 aluminium pins. Also as mentioned - they sit flush.

The thing is you can buy non FIA approved seats! I have the OMP catalogue with four that are probably stronger than a road seat but potentially not allowed on track.

That's the word. Probably. they don't know for sure if they are but they're hoping like feck that they are.

You can buy non FIA approved seats because the demand is there from badboy racers. Why buy a bucket seat if you're not going to race or go on track?

[adamskiTNR]

A lot of you don't realise that it's not the cage that has to be less than 2yrs old. It's the certificate saying that it meets FIA regs is less than 2yrs old. A completely custom cage can have a certificate from a qualified scrutineer. Harnesses can be re-dated by companies - they replace the threads by the buckles. This is pointless unless you have paid a lot of money for some top spec harnesses. Seats can be re-dated - not sure what or how but yeh.

Aerocatches are much stronger than £10 aluminium pins. Also as mentioned - they sit flush.



That's the word. Probably. they don't know for sure if they are but they're hoping like feck that they are.

You can buy non FIA approved seats because the demand is there from badboy racers. Why buy a bucket seat if you're not going to race or go on track?

Thanks for that, learnt something new. I bet it costs a bomb to find a person qualified to do this though.
And on the general topic my cage isn't exactly subtle rolling past the officials. Bright red lol!
So i will need to get aero catches. My harnesses are till 2015 and my seats are still in date. Probably not by the time i go. And that is an insane rule. I only got the seats no that long ago, they can't expect everyone to go out and keep buying brand spanking seats every year

[MiniGibbo]

So in theory they only real reason i can see why bonnet catches being banned would be for impact etcs. Does this mean aero cathes would be allowed?

[oz_]

Like we said earlier... If you notice most pro racecars haven't got pins.

[TU-Tuning]

A lot of you don't realise that it's not the cage that has to be less than 2yrs old. It's the certificate saying that it meets FIA regs is less than 2yrs old. A completely custom cage can have a certificate from a qualified scrutineer. Harnesses can be re-dated by companies - they replace the threads by the buckles. This is pointless unless you have paid a lot of money for some top spec harnesses. Seats can be re-dated - not sure what or how but yeh.

Aerocatches are much stronger than £10 aluminium pins. Also as mentioned - they sit flush.



That's the word. Probably. they don't know for sure if they are but they're hoping like feck that they are.

You can buy non FIA approved seats because the demand is there from badboy racers. Why buy a bucket seat if you're not going to race or go on track?

Cheers for the info dude, clears things up a lot. At least its still possible then, Ill have a look into it as Im hoping to go in September.

Wouldnt agree with the bucket seat comment though, as Ive said many times on here you dont have to be a regular track day goer to strip put the car/use buckets etc. Theres some awesome B roads out there waiting for a midnight hoon

[KamRacing]

Not all cages are FIA compliant either and can be used in different motorsports..

[oz_]

Bucket seats without a cage is waiting for a broken neck

[adamskiTNR]

Bucket seats without a cage is waiting for a broken neck

I have heard this before lots of times but i don't see how it is much worse than having normal seats?

[MiniGibbo]

folders are designed to fold flat if the car is rolled to save you losing your head, if you fit rigids your heads coming off in a roll :wacko:

These new "rules" imo will sjut be hipe but ill report back if i go again in July.

[adamskiTNR]

But doesn't the roof have to hit the seat (and your head to push the seat down anyway?

[tom130691]

But doesn't the roof have to hit the seat (and your head to push the seat down anyway?

most buckets sit lower than standard and the metal back frame will be stronger than a standard seat

i like how buckets only used for racing last a few years and standard seats are safe for every despite the air bag light being on(in most saxos)

[adamskiTNR]

Yeah, doesn't make any sense lol. And mine are shell seats, no frames. Doean't sound as strong but they are stronger as the the shell is developed to an anal level lol. Still, without a cage a serious roll and your dead

[Ross]

These new "rules" imo will sjut be hipe but ill report back if i go again in July. Sorry to drag up this relic thread, but what was the result of this? I'm trying to source the damn ring rules and it's a minefield... My seats and harnesses are out of date but I think I've got everything else covered. How anal are they on the checks?

[MiniGibbo]

I never made it in '10 :(

I hear now though its compulsary for door cards and padding on cages.

Have you looked in the track section, i know the new rules/regs are on one forum i use :P

[Jungle]

Well ive got no chance of taking pug there then, i dont see why regs for the ring are stricter than alot of propper race serieses/competitions

[MiniGibbo]

Well ive got no chance of taking pug there then, i dont see why regs for the ring are stricter than alot of propper race serieses/competitions

Its a public road which is renowned for regualar crashes?

Also racing regs are a lot more strict than the 'Ring..

[Jungle]

Its a public road which is renowned for regualar crashes?

Also racing regs are a lot more strict than the 'Ring..

Depends which dicsipline.

[MiniGibbo]

I cant think of a race series that dosent want at least the regs the 'Ring are looking at inforcing ie

Cage (padded around driver)
In date buckets and harnesses.


The only thing they havent inforced on the 'Ring which ould be overkill is cut off switches and extinguisers.

What series do you know of that dosent inforce the above, im genuinly interested..

[Jungle]

Well done you picked the obvious ones.

I was onabout interior trim and bonnet pins... ridiculous.

Fact of the matter is my car could enter totb or time attack as it is now, then drive all the way to the ring but couldnt go on the ring, which is a public road in germany, how does that make sense?

[MiniGibbo]

Interior trim is spec'd on race series is it not? im not entirely clued up on the blue book but im sure it states "no sharp edges"..

Bonnet pins i agree with which youd see if you read earlier posts..

If anything they make the panels safer, espially if your using FG.

[Jungle]

i havent actually read through the whole thread just read the first bit lol and bashed the keyboard in anger. Your right it isnt worse than race regs i just said that in anger lol.

Interior trim isnt specced in time attack just says must have original dash, i know the time attack regs because my mate is entering this year.

I think having to have fia approved seats harnesses etc to drive on the ring is ridic though

[Ross]

I never made it in '10 :(

I hear now though its compulsary for door cards and padding on cages.

Have you looked in the track section, i know the new rules/regs are on one forum i use :P

Thank you - I've got pretty much everything sorted - just ordered the roll cage padding today - just frustrated that my seats and harnesses (which pass an MoT and are as safe as houses) would mean I'd possibly fail an inspection. Don't really want to have to fund some new seats right now, when I've other priorities!

[Bound]

Getting ridiculous, let the Krauts have their shitty, overhyped extortionate n00b filled track and do a local track day for 1/50 the price.

[MiniGibbo]

Getting ridiculous, let the Krauts have their shitty, overhyped extortionate n00b filled track and do a local track day for 1/50 the price.

Have you been?

[Bound]

Have you been?

No, I know i don't want to be the recpient of anal sex either but I've never done it. ;).

Is it expensive to go to Germany in fuel, hotels, cost of laps, potential crash recovery and barrier damage, track insurance if you get it, is it not filled with n00bs? Do they not keep adding more and more rules some of which are pointless?

[MiniGibbo]

Expensive and dangerious yes, but the atmosphere there is unreal.. everyone thats there is a petrol head and a true enthusiast.

Not sure if ive already said it in here but what somed it up for me was driving past a house in the village to see a old man mowing his grass, white hair and all.. To then spot a caged 'ring lapper in his garage threw the half open barn door :cool:

You should go dude even if you only passenger.

EDIT: I put it on par with x4 track days which when you work the cost out is about right..

[KamRacing]

All that has been mentioned is complete balls. I'd bet 99% of all cars that go round the ring do not comply with FIA race events (the strictest in the world) Road legal harnesses do not have FIA certification as they use a different buckle to the aerocatch versions you find on race harnesses.
Some hillclimb classes do not even require a rollcage so I very much doubt you will need a certified FIA rollcage but if fitted it must be done properly with the correct padding. As long as aerocatches are used your bonnet will be ok too.
Make sure the car is roadworthy and well put together, everything in order and you have your MOT, insurance and licence with you and I'll bet money they do not turn you away. If your car looks, sounds and is a bit of a bodged shitter then dont make the trip.

[dannygti]

trust me ross, so long as your car doesnt look as if its about to fall apart you will be fine.

they have got what they wanted with threads like this one, and thats to put off people who might take a chance with a complete wreck... i think threads like this have done that job

[MiniGibbo]

Ive never seen a car be checked..

I personally wouldnt risk my car if it was 100%

[Ross]

Thanks guys. Reassuring! Spent half the afternoon looking at new seats so that's a relief! My harnesses are aircraft style ones anyway (albeit 6-7 years old now). Didn't much fancy paying out for a new set!

Going by the way this thread is turning out, it looks like I'll be ok. Just don't fancy a 1400 mile round trip or whatever it is to find out the hard way lol.

Got meself a warning triangle and a hi vis jacket already tho ;)

[dannygti]

they have never checked my car or any car ive been with..
like i say, so long as you havnt got bits hanging off or obvious things you should be fine..

they dont like bonnet pins however, so aerocatches are a must

[hard_corejoeboy]

Thanks guys. Reassuring! Spent half the afternoon looking at new seats so that's a relief! My harnesses are aircraft style ones anyway (albeit 6-7 years old now). Didn't much fancy paying out for a new set!

Going by the way this thread is turning out, it looks like I'll be ok. Just don't fancy a 1400 mile round trip or whatever it is to find out the hard way lol.

Got meself a warning triangle and a hi vis jacket already tho ;)

Even if they did look mate you would just wait till its the end of the bloke on the gate's shift or just try again. To them all cars look the same.

[yorkie]

Ragin'! how are bonnet pins not any safer than standard bonnet catches? If its not clipped down properly then either way its gonna flip up!

!

bonnet bra to cover the pins lol

[Ross]

Even if they did look mate you would just wait till its the end of the bloke on the gate's shift or just try again. To them all cars look the same.

legend. I'm much happier now :D

[MiniGibbo]

When i was last there some mush in his a german m3's exhaust fell off, they just tied it back up with string and got let back on :wacko: