Mosque At Ground Zero?

[Heliosphan]

Well, not exactly on the site of the twin towers but pretty close - 2 blocks away I think I read.

I had to check it wasn't April 1st when I read this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/board-backs-ground-zero-mosque-plan-1983233.html

What do you guys think?

[liam-o]

well, it wasn't the muslim faith that brought down the towers...

if they where building a extremist training camp near-by that's slightly different...

[KINGVTS]

cant see why any educated person would have any problem with this

[liam-o]

cant see why any educated person would have any problem with this

+1

although educated people seem to be a minority

[Dom]

Stereotypes :n:

Not all Muslims can fly planes tbh.. Most are cunts due to being big headed and stuff, but some that I know are very down to earth :)

[Heliosphan]

well, it wasn't the muslim faith that brought down the towers...

if they where building a extremist training camp near-by that's slightly different...

Controlled explosion?

[Bound]

well, it wasn't the muslim faith that brought down the towers...

if they where building a extremist training camp near-by that's slightly different...

Yeah, but the Americans, hell, if it was us, The British, wouldn't/won't see it like that. They want someone to blame -> Muslims. Obviously I don't speak for the majority, but that's how I see it. Although, I spose the media has me believe that (the the Majority of the public are racist Muslim haters).

I think having a place of worship of any faith, even Christianity as there 'state religion' at 'ground zero' would be disrespectful imo. People of all religions died.

They have a memorial. Personally, I would of rebuilt it, show defiance.

[Pieface]

Yeah, but the Americans, hell, if it was us, The British, wouldn't/won't see it like that. They want someone to blame -> Muslims. Obviously I don't speak for the majority, but that's how I see it. Although, I spose the media has me believe that (the the Majority of the public are racist Muslim haters).

I think having a place of worship of any faith, even Christianity as there 'state religion' at 'ground zero' would be disrespectful imo. People of all religions died.

They have a memorial. Personally, I would of rebuilt it, show defiance.

Show defiance? Because they won't come back and try and destroy it again if you rebuilt it would they.

[adamskiTNR]

But you'd have to find someone with enough money to invest in 2 building's they probably don't need, just to show defiance. If it was my billion dollars defiance can fuck off haha

[liam-o]

Yeah, but the Americans, hell, if it was us, The British, wouldn't/won't see it like that. They want someone to blame -> Muslims. Obviously I don't speak for the majority, but that's how I see it. Although, I spose the media has me believe that (the the Majority of the public are racist Muslim haters).

I think having a place of worship of any faith, even Christianity as there 'state religion' at 'ground zero' would be disrespectful imo. People of all religions died.

They have a memorial. Personally, I would of rebuilt it, show defiance.

i take it you feel that the germans where okay to blame the Jews for the bad fortune after WW1 and agree there treatment during WW2 was just?

No faith is to blame for what happened, no faith caused it...

this is what is meant by "no educated person would have a problem with it", its actually more disturbing that you do have a problem with it?

[Heliosphan]

i take it you feel that the germans where okay to blame the Jews for the bad fortune after WW1 and agree there treatment during WW2 was just?

No faith is to blame for what happened, no faith caused it...

this is what is meant by "no educated person would have a problem with it", its actually more disturbing that you do have a problem with it?

Who caused it then?

[liam-o]

Who caused it then?

terrorists or the government, take your pick, im going to go with terrorists...

however because they followed the Muslim faith, that doesn't mean they where acting on behalf of the Muslim faith or all Muslim people

i BET there have been more murders by Christians in America than there have been by Muslims...

you cant blame the whole Muslim faith for what happened :wall:

your whats wrong with the world, bloody thick!

[Bound]

i take it you feel that the germans where okay to blame the Jews for the bad fortune after WW1 and agree there treatment during WW2 was just?

No faith is to blame for what happened, no faith caused it...

this is what is meant by "no educated person would have a problem with it", its actually more disturbing that you do have a problem with it?

Show defiance? Because they won't come back and try and destroy it again if you rebuilt it would they.

How fucking stupid are you?

I was stating what I believe is the PUBLIC opinion. The MAJORITY, not what >I< believe. Please read, and understand what I say.

Where the fuck did you conjure up Germany's ill feelings towards the Jews after WWI? In fact, that's not even true. The crusade on the Jews by the Nazi’s was Hitler’s own concoction to rid the world, and certainly Germany, of Jews. The 'ill feelings'. Were towards the allies, e.g. the French, British and American (not the Jews) who made them (Germany) pay back huge reparations/war debt for damage done (land destroyed and lives lost). Took the piss with the Rhineland et cetera, said they couldn't have an army, harsh terms of the treaty of Versailles, banned anschluss, carved up german land, big depression/inflation, Hitler offered the answer and appealed to everyone. Et cetera et cetera.

Please don't try and fucking educate me on History. I know history.

You are however, correct, 'no faith caused it' (it being 9/11 attacks). I never said they did. I said it would be disrespectful to build a place of worship of ANY faith because people from ALL faiths died there. E.g. final resting place. They may not, had they be alive today (and their families that are), want it to be dedicated/associated with a particular religion. Actually, I say you are correct, the perpetrators, or terrorists that caused it were all Muslim. They were however in a twisted, evil, militant, Jihad, brainwashed part of Islam. I always remember this photo that makes me laugh, a Muslim holding up a sign that says "Kill those who say Islam is a violent Religion". lol.

I also said, I BELIEVE, that PUBLIC (NOT, mine) opinion, in America, would be against this. I also said that MIGHT BE because that is what the media will have us believe (that the majority of the public are Muslim hating racists).

Please note how I fucking said this in the first place.

As for you pieface, yes, they may well do it again, spose we should get to work on the demolition of all tall buildings/skyscrapers in case it happens?

Ridiculous, the significance if they rebuilt it and it happened again, yes, it would be huge. But what's to fucking stop them suicide bombing the memorial? And in fact, if you think my idea of rebuilding it was so stupid, perhaps you should have a word with the architect of the 'freedom tower'. Which was even taller, and meant as a replacement/permanent memorial. A SKYSCRAPER. This was the most popular option at many points.

[Bound]

I need a fucking cigarette. This humidity is making me grouchy. Don’t think it shows though.

[dav0506]

I need a fucking cigarette. This humidity is making me grouchy. Don’t think it shows though.

Epic post before this one :clapping:

[Dom]

I need a fucking cigarette. This humidity is making me grouchy. Don’t think it shows though.

I know its a bad day, Im having one too, but just to help everyone quit smoking.. or at least cut down..

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/smoking_1a.jpg

This is right around the corner, don't let it be you :y:

[Bound]

I fucking hate that photo. Lol, I was saying to Pete (:D) in that thread the other day - that one bugs me.

[Dom]

Sorry pal, I hate it as well, its on every cigarette packet I buy, it was only when walking into Bedford Hospital earlier that I realised how bad smoking is :n:

[liam-o]

How fucking stupid are you?

I was stating what I believe is the PUBLIC opinion. The MAJORITY, not what >I< believe. Please read, and understand what I say.

Where the fuck did you conjure up Germany's ill feelings towards the Jews after WWI? In fact, that's not even true. The crusade on the Jews by the Nazi’s was Hitler’s invention to rid the world, and certainly Germany, of Jews. The 'ill feelings'. Were towards the allies, e.g. the French and British who made them (Germany) pay back huge reparations/war debt for damage done. Took the piss with the Rhineland et cetera, said they couldn't have an army, big depression/inflation, Hitler offered the answer and appealed to everyone. Et cetera et cetera.

Please don't try and fucking educate me on History. I know history.

You are however, correct, 'no faith caused it' (it being 9/11 attacks). I never said they did. I said it would be disrespectful to build a place of worship of ANY faith because people from ALL faiths died there. E.g. final resting place. They may not, had they be alive today (and their families that are), it to be dedicated/associated with a particular religion.

I also said, I BELIEVE, that PUBLIC (NOT, mine) opinion, in America, would be against this. I also said That MIGHT BE because that is what the media will have us believe (that the majority of the public are Muslim hating racists).

Please note how I fucking said this in the first place.



The Germans followed Hitler because they wanted someone to blame...

Also if you read the article...

The vote, 29-1 in favour with 10 abstentions, came after hours of contentious public comment.

The board vote, while not necessary for the building's owners to move forward with the project, was seen as key to obtaining residents' support.

public opinion is in favour

the people involved in the building aren't doing it to piss on anyone's place of death...

The American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, the organisations sponsoring the project, say they are trying to meet a growing need for prayer space in Lower Manhattan as well as provide a venue for the dissemination of mainstream Islam, to counter extremism.

And you know for a fact if a chruch was built in the same place, it would not have even made news, or if it did, it would be because it was a memorial church

[stinkycheese]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250#

[Bound]

Sorry pal, I hate it as well, its on every cigarette packet I buy, it was only when walking into Bedford Hospital earlier that I realised how bad smoking is :n:

I might ask for them to change it for the one with the bent cigarette representing impotence because it makes me laugh next time they give me this one.

I have no pictures on this one atm though :D. Just writing.

[Heliosphan]

terrorists or the government, take your pick, im going to go with terrorists...

however because they followed the Muslim faith, that doesn't mean they where acting on behalf of the Muslim faith or all Muslim people

i BET there have been more murders by Christians in America than there have been by Muslims...

you cant blame the whole Muslim faith for what happened :wall:

your whats wrong with the world, bloody thick!

Terrorists or the government? WTF?

Exactly what planet are you on?

I know very well why the buildings collapsed you idiot - I only asked you the question twice because I knew you'd make a tit of yourself - I wasn't wrong.

Let me make this clear so that even you will understand:

Muslim extremists brought down the buildings. If it wasn't for Islam those buildings would still be standing. Therefore, do you see why people might be slightly upset at a mosque going up? Islam shouldn't be allowed anywhere near ground zero never mind a triumphalistic mosque. What a fitting tribute to 3000 odd people.

I honestly can't think of a more provocative gesture.

[liam-o]

Terrorists or the government? WTF?

Exactly what planet are you on?

I know very well why the buildings collapsed you idiot - I only asked you the question twice because I knew you'd make a tit of yourself - I wasn't wrong.

Let me make this clear so that even you will understand:

Muslim extremists brought down the buildings. If it wasn't for Islam those buildings would still be standing. Therefore, do you see why people might be slightly upset at a mosque going up? Islam shouldn't be allowed anywhere near ground zero never mind a triumphalistic mosque. What a fitting tribute to 3000 odd people.

I honestly can't think of a more provocative gesture.

I cannot believe you are blaming Islam for this, where in there religion does it state they must commit terrorism?

This is what i mean, your blaming muslims as a whole when it was a very select few that caused it?

If i did it and then said god asked me... would it then be an act of Catholicism?

[dav0506]

Terrorists or the government? WTF?

Exactly what planet are you on?

I know very well why the buildings collapsed you idiot - I only asked you the question twice because I knew you'd make a tit of yourself - I wasn't wrong.

Let me make this clear so that even you will understand:

Muslim extremists brought down the buildings. If it wasn't for Islam those buildings would still be standing. Therefore, do you see why people might be slightly upset at a mosque going up? Islam shouldn't be allowed anywhere near ground zero never mind a triumphalistic mosque. What a fitting tribute to 3000 odd people.

I honestly can't think of a more provocative gesture.

How about free plane tickets for muslims to New York

[Bound]

The Germans followed Hitler because they wanted someone to blame...

They wanted an answer. You're agreeing with me. Hitler appealed to all people. They were desprate for aforementioned reasons.


public opinion is in favour

the people involved in the building aren't doing it to piss on anyone's place of death...

Pretentious art faggots on a committee board don't fairly represent America, I don't care what demographic. I wonder if there would be the same result if they had a referendum. I admit however, this is a weak argument :p.

And you know for a fact if a chruch was built in the same place, it would not have even made news, or if it did, it would be because it was a memorial church

Yes, because that's their state religion - Christianity (although this contradicts my point about how people of all faiths died there, and how no faith should be represented/associated with it, regardless of majority of faith/numbers - I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CHURCH THERE EITHER - Wanna make myself clear because people seem to misquoted me otherwise). It would be less controversial.

[Peter_D]

I fucking hate that photo. Lol, I was saying to Pete (:D) in that thread the other day - that one bugs me.

LOL whats the random smiley face about?

[Gareth_R]

you've got to be a complete tool to think the muslim faith is responsible for the 9/11 attacks

there are extremists in all religions, people who abuse children in the name of christianity to name one example

blaming the attacks on the religion as a whole e.g. 'it wouldnt have happened if it wasnt for Islam' promotes hatred and division which is a terrorist aim, shows a lack of intelligence and a lack of tolerance that a society trying to defy extremists neither needs nor wants

[Bound]

LOL whats the random smiley face about?

Because I imagine you don't like being called Pete. So I've started anyway, feel cheeky. Was a cheeky smiley face tbh.

[stinkycheese]

Controlled explosions. Believe it.

[Bound]

Controlled explosion?

Controlled explosions. Believe it.

Sorry, what?

You're not seriously suggesting it was something other than the 3 airliners that were crashed into the buildings that brought down the towers...?

[Heliosphan]

Sorry, what?

You're not seriously suggesting it was something other than the 3 airliners that were crashed into the buildings that brought down the towers...?

Course I'm fucking not I wanted to know what that idiot thought.

[Bound]

Course I'm fucking not I wanted to know what that idiot thought.

Good, people that believe that are mentally retarded. LIKE MUSLIMS.

LOL GOTCHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

http://appraisalnewsonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/punked.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/thedarkestminion/ash_pokeball2.jpg

[stinkycheese]

What about the 3rd tower that came down? No plane crashed into that...

[Bound]

What about the 3rd tower that came down? No plane crashed into that...

Oh yeah, I remember that..

Can't remember precisely, but I BELIEVE, two buildings, quite big, might have heard of them - Twin towers? Fell on it.

[stinkycheese]

Oh yeah, I remember that..

Can't remember precisely, but I BELIEVE, two buildings, quite big, might have heard of them - Twin towers? Fell on them.

Wrong.

[Bound]

Wrong.

I know, my government agenda is so obvious :/. I hope it doesn’t get out that it was a governmental plot to destroy the towers, killing thousands of innocent civilians for no reason or gain. Incite hatred? Give a reason to go to war with Iraq? Yep, that’s because of 9/11. Because some hijackers crashed some planes into some towers. Do you really think the government would crash airliners into their own buildings, financial trade district, and attempt (or as perhaps a conspiracy theorist would think), 'double bluff', crashing close to the white house..

None of these buildings seem significant in any way now I come to think of it.

You’ve turned me, That DEFINATLEY sound like something a government would do to their own people.

P.s. The 'wrong' argument, a classic. I appreciated the detail

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[Peter_D]

Because I imagine you don't like being called Pete. So I've started anyway, feel cheeky. Was a cheeky smiley face tbh.

People on the internet always call me Pete :afro: But none of my mates do. Don't really mind it, Dicky ;)

[Bound]

People on the internet always call me Pete :afro: But none of my mates do. Don't really mind it, Dicky ;)

I love it. But I prefer bound. Or big dick (I was fat as a kid.. fuck off)..

I don't like big dick. Feels dirty. Like a pimp name.

Gonna carry on calling ya Pete then, doesn't loose any appeal even though you don't mind it :D.

[liam-o]

They wanted an answer. You're agreeing with me. Hitler appealed to all people. They were desprate for aforementioned reasons.


exactly, thats what happens when you blame a selective group... racism... thats what it is...

[stinkycheese]

Lol at the 'wrong' argument.

Cant be arsed to type out a long, detailed reply. It would only be wasted on someone so naive :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250#
25 mins in.

[Bound]

Ha ha ha ha.

Okay, I know that - I did that the other day.. then felt compelled to explain where they are wrong.. But I know you'll cave, you want to educate me, and show me how I'm wrong, and naive, and an idiot. ;D.

I must say though.. it’s not looking very convincing atm.. :S.

[Bound]

Lol at the 'wrong' argument.

Cant be arsed to type out a long, detailed reply. It would only be wasted on someone so naive :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250#
25 mins in.

I suppose you believe humans are causing global warming to? :/.

DISCLAIMER; I DO NOT, NOT BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING, HOWEVER, HUMANS ARE NOT THE CAUSE.

Again, felt compelled due to the jump the gun nature other people have about what I say.

..I feel like KINGvts, having to explain everything I say :D.

[stinkycheese]

I suppose you believe humans are causing global warming to? :/.
DISCLAIMER; I DO NOT, NOT BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING, HOWEVER, HUMANS ARE NOT THE CAUSE.

Again, felt compelled due to the jump the gun nature other people have about what I say.

..I feel like KINGvts, having to explain everything I say :D.

Fuck no. Its a natural cycle.

[Peter_D]

I know, my government agenda is so obvious :/. I hope it doesn’t get out that it was a governmental plot to destroy the towers, killing thousands of innocent civilians for no reason or gain. Incite hatred? Give a reason to go to war with Iraq? Yep, that’s because of 9/11. Because some hijackers crashed some planes into some towers. Do you really think the government would crash airliners into their own buildings, financial trade district, and attempt (or as perhaps a conspiracy theorist would think), 'double bluff', crashing close to the white house..

None of these buildings seem significant in any way now I come to think of it.

You’ve turned me, That DEFINATLEY sound like something a government would do to their own people.

P.s. The 'wrong' argument, a classic. I appreciated the detail

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http://www.roughingthekicker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/the_sarcasm_detector_by_nerdsloth.jpg

OVERLOAD, OVERLOAD

[Bound]

Fuck no. Its a natural cycle.

Well at least you have some credibility :hug:

[stinkycheese]

Watch

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

[23carragold]

Terrorists or the government? WTF?

Exactly what planet are you on?

I know very well why the buildings collapsed you idiot - I only asked you the question twice because I knew you'd make a tit of yourself - I wasn't wrong.

Let me make this clear so that even you will understand:

Muslim extremists brought down the buildings. If it wasn't for Islam those buildings would still be standing. Therefore, do you see why people might be slightly upset at a mosque going up? Islam shouldn't be allowed anywhere near ground zero never mind a triumphalistic mosque. What a fitting tribute to 3000 odd people.

I honestly can't think of a more provocative gesture.

Have read your posts before, seems to me you have a chip on your shoulder against Islam. If it wasn't for Islam the towers would still have been standing? Don't be such a misguided fool.

There is far STRONGER evidence pinpointing that the "attack" was a well coordinated plan by the American government on themselves, as opposed to the paper thin proposal given by them stating it was "terrorists".

There has never been an official inquest into 9/11, even a vast amount of American people do not trust their own government and questioned several times why it was not opened. The "evidence" released by them is so poor that it doesn't add up. Watch loose change, and you will understand, although I assume you probably have?

Alex Jones...pioneer of the true voice of the people who want to know the truth, is an American person. He strongly opposes his own government.

Islamic extremists yes, are simply put, scum. Normal Islam does not and never will condone any cunts who decide to kill in our faiths name. I guarantee you that.

EDIT: And there were many Muslims that died there too fyi. I share the sentiments of the other poster, who said it doesn't matter what religious building is erected. For once, just stop being a complete dick and attacking Islam 24/7. It really is stupid now. And you can say what you like about me "always defending it etc etc etc" but what the hell do you expect me to do. It's my faith. Im not going to let extremist scum and narrow minded idiots like you deface it for the hell of it.

[liam-o]

Watch

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#

interesting watch, all the conspiracies seem to have very little merit and to be honest i find it hard to believe it could be covered up, especially with all the people that would have to be involved...

[Heliosphan]

I cannot believe you are blaming Islam for this, where in there religion does it state they must commit terrorism?

This is what i mean, your blaming muslims as a whole when it was a very select few that caused it?

If i did it and then said god asked me... would it then be an act of Catholicism?

Well believe it.

Whether you agree or not, these people were following what they believed to be their duty as a muslim - just like the Bali bombers, Madrid and London. An awful lot of people misinterpret the Qu'ran don't they? I'll say it again, if it wasn't for Islam these two towers would still stand today.

I'm not blaming muslims in general either - like you'd love to believe so don't go down that route - unless you're playing the muslim victim card on me.

If this whole nonsense isn't sick enough already for you the plan is to open the building on the same date - 9/11.

[Bound]

I'll say it again, if it wasn't for Islam these two towers would still stand today.

You could say that about anything - If it wasn't for Hitler there wouldn't have been WWII. if it wasn't for Christianity there wouldn't have been the crusades, if it wasn't for the Jews, Jesus wouldn't have been crucified, and would perhaps still be here today? ;D (if you believe that). All of which, is bollocks.

If this whole nonsense isn't sick enough already for you the plan is to open the building on the same date - 9/11.

That's YOUR interpretation. I imagine that's deliberate (the date). It could be an act of provocation. But I doubt it. More of a symbol of the positive elements of Islam, to perhaps show that Islam does not want to be associated with extremism.

[Heliosphan]

There is far STRONGER evidence pinpointing that the "attack" was a well coordinated plan by the American government on themselves, as opposed to the paper thin proposal given by them stating it was "terrorists".


I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas don't you......

Oh hang on a minute......

[Bound]

There is far STRONGER evidence pinpointing that the "attack" was a well coordinated plan by the American government on themselves, as opposed to the paper thin proposal given by them stating it was "terrorists".

No, I'm sorry, that's bollocks. THAT is being a misguided fool.

I'm with you on representing Islam in an argument, but do not try to justify, or deny what the hijackers did, or the effects of 9/11. That overshadows your entire argument, and makes you seem deluded.

[23carragold]

I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas don't you......

Oh hang on a minute......

I choose not to listen to the generic Murdoch controlled shite that is being pumped into us daily.

Feel free to carry on your little charade of "me no like muslim pplz":clapping:

[23carragold]

No, I'm sorry, that's bollocks. THAT is being a misguided fool.

So tell me how come they didn't open up a full inquest DESPITE protestations from the American people themselves asking for one?

Tell me about simple things..like the plane that crashed into the pentagon..the impact it made..inconsistent with a plane that size..where was the luggage, bodies, anything of relevance?

Simple inconsistencies that were not answered. And you're telling me I'm misguided for wanting to know the truth...right okay.

BTW Read it properly...I am NOT justifying or denying anything related to the attacks so please mate don't imply that I am.

[Bound]

I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas don't you......

Steady on ... There's some shit you don't joke about.

[Bound]

So tell me how come they didn't open up a full inquest DESPITE protestations from the American people themselves asking for one?

Tell me about simple things..like the plane that crashed into the pentagon..the impact it made..inconsistent with a plane that size..where was the luggage, bodies, anything of relevance?

Simple inconsistencies that were not answered. And you're telling me I'm misguided for wanting to know the truth...right okay.

I'm going to refer you to this post, and then add something

Controlled explosions. Believe it.

What about the 3rd tower that came down? No plane crashed into that...

Oh yeah, I remember that..

Can't remember precisely, but I BELIEVE, two buildings, quite big, might have heard of them - Twin towers? Fell on it.

I know, my government agenda is so obvious :/. I hope it doesn’t get out that it was a governmental plot to destroy the towers, killing thousands of innocent civilians for no reason or gain. Incite hatred? Give a reason to go to war with Iraq? Yep, that’s because of 9/11. Because some hijackers crashed some planes into some towers. Do you really think the government would crash airliners into their own buildings, financial trade district, and attempt (or as perhaps a conspiracy theorist would think), 'double bluff', crashing close to the white house..

None of these buildings seem significant in any way now I come to think of it.

You’ve turned me, That DEFINATLEY sound like something a government would do to their own people.

P.s. The 'wrong' argument, a classic. I appreciated the detail

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Also, the twin towers have been targeted by Muslim extremists ('93). Do you think that's a coincidence?!

[liam-o]

I suppose you also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas don't you......

Oh hang on a minute......

look, your just chatting crap now and your arguments have no merit.

[/THREAD]

[liam-o]

So tell me how come they didn't open up a full inquest DESPITE protestations from the American people themselves asking for one?

Tell me about simple things..like the plane that crashed into the pentagon..the impact it made..inconsistent with a plane that size..where was the luggage, bodies, anything of relevance?

Simple inconsistencies that were not answered. And you're telling me I'm misguided for wanting to know the truth...right okay.

BTW Read it properly...I am NOT justifying or denying anything related to the attacks so please mate don't imply that I am.

please watch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250#

[23carragold]

I'm going to refer you to this post, and then add something

"I know, my government agenda is so obvious :/. I hope it doesn’t get out that it was a governmental plot to destroy the towers, killing thousands of innocent civilians for no reason or gain. Incite hatred? Give a reason to go to war with Iraq? Yep, that’s because of 9/11. Because some hijackers crashed some planes into some towers. Do you really think the government would crash airliners into their own buildings, financial trade district, and attempt (or as perhaps a conspiracy theorist would think), 'double bluff', crashing close to the white house..

None of these buildings seem significant in any way now I come to think of it.

You’ve turned me, That DEFINATLEY sound like something a government would do to their own people.

P.s. The 'wrong' argument, a classic. I appreciated the detail

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Also, the twin towers have been targeted by Muslim extremists ('93). Do you think that's a coincidence?!

Tbh...you didn't answer anything of what I asked. Clearly you don't have answers to the basic questions that have been asked constantly by the American people themselves. So you choose to talk nonsense. The American government has many secrets, it is a superpower, they can pretty much do as they wish.

If you want to accept that the world is as simple as what is being presented to us on the news etc then fine I know I won't change your mind. But you can't even answer my question, if you did then maybe you would have some credit.

[Bound]

Conspiracy theorists are fucking disgusting. I am all for challenging things, but it gets to the point where it's just offensive.

Did you know - 7/7 bombings - Government planned
Derek Bird - Not only is he the word - Government Sponsored.

There's challenging things, then there's being a cunt, this, like the above, is the latter.

[23carragold]

please watch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250#

If that was made by someone other than the BBC I might have taken it more seriously. But, I'll admit, it does have a little merit.

[Heliosphan]

look, your just chatting crap now and your arguments have no merit.

[/THREAD]

George Bush might be a lot of things but one thing he isn't is the butcher of 3000 odd people.

[23carragold]

Conspiracy theorists are fucking disgusting. I am all for challenging things, but it gets to the point where it's just offensive.

Did you know - 7/7 bombings - Government planned
Derik Bird - Not only is he the word - Government Sponsored.

There's challenging things, then there's being a cunt, this, like the above, is the latter.

I'm not making conspiracy theories etc. I genuinely thought it was a terrorist attack, 9/11. But, after researching the information presented on both sides, I found it difficult to disprove the "conspiracy" theories. They offered a more reasonable and logical argument. The secrecy shown by the US Gov't didn't help either, why be so secretive about it? That is what troubles me.

[Heliosphan]

I'm not making conspiracy theories etc. I genuinely thought it was a terrorist attack, 9/11. But, after researching the information presented on both sides, I found it difficult to disprove the "conspiracy" theories. They offered a more reasonable and logical argument. The secrecy shown by the US Gov't didn't help either, why be so secretive about it? That is what troubles me.


You think the U.S killing thousands of it's own citizens is more plausible and a more logical argument than the official story?

The moon is made of cheese by the way.

[23carragold]

You think the U.S killing thousands of it's own citizens is more plausible and a more logical argument than the official story?

The moon is made of cheese by the way.


Excellent. :y:

[Bound]

Tell me about simple things..like the plane that crashed into the pentagon..the impact it made..inconsistent with a plane that size..where was the luggage, bodies, anything of relevance?

I wasn't aware you were an air accident investigator.. Or did you;

want to accept that the world is as simple as what is being presented to us on the news etc then fine

Because you wouldn't know otherwise right? You must of seen this in the media? How big an impact, just for future reference, should a plane that size make? May not be aware, there was a film with phone calls made from that flight to members of the passengers family , may not have heard of it - 'United Airlines Flight 93'? Ring any bells? Fake I imagine you'll claim. Fake blackbox, fake phone calls, all bullshit. Okay.

Tbh...you didn't answer anything of what I asked. Clearly you don't have answers to the basic questions that have been asked constantly by the American people themselves. So you choose to talk nonsense. The American government has many secrets, it is a superpower, they can pretty much do as they wish.

Also, as I said, the world trade center was targeted by Muslim extremists before. Just a coincidence i suppose?

I'm talking nonsense? My arguments are concise, calculated, and educated. You just deny everything and hide behind conspiracy theory. You say there is FAR more evidence to suggest 9/11 was government planned.. But as I recall it, three planes crashed into the buildings. Were the hijackers hired by the government? What was the governments motive? ;). Why would they do it?

In fact, there's fuck all evidence for a government planned conspiracy theory, if you look into it hard enough, you will find what you're looking for, in this case a - scapegoat. For example, Tupac and the 7 day theory, 'lots of 7's in his life'. No, you're just looking to hard, it's not, not dead and gonna come back, he's dead. Let it go, maybe you should take something from that.

One of the classic arguments I like is "the structure was compromised, must of been government involvement".. Yet I wasn't under the impression they had undertaken tests of the stresses and forces involved in this circumstance (e.g. a jumbo jet flown into the world trade center).

Do you see how much 'evidence'. I say evidence, it should be taken as fact, as it is. You have to dismiss, and discredit before you could say the US government planned 9/11? It's bollocks, utter tripe. You have to be a monumental idiot to believe it. Or extremely gullible.

[23carragold]

I wasn't aware you were an air accident investigator.. Or did you;



Because you wouldn't know otherwise right? You must of seen this in the media? How big an impact, just for future reference, should a plane that size make? May not be aware, there was a film with phone calls made from that flight to members of the passengers family , may not have heard of it - 'United Airlines Flight 93'? Ring any bells? Fake I imagine you'll claim. Fake blackbox, fake phone calls, all bullshit. Okay.



Also, as I said, the world trade center was targeted by Muslim extremists before. Just a coincidence i suppose?

I'm talking nonsense? My arguments are concise, calculated, and educated. You just deny everything and hide behind conspiracy theory. You say there is FAR more evidence to suggest 9/11 was government planned.. But as I recall it, three planes crashed into the buildings. Were the hijackers hired by the government? What was the governments motive? ;). Why would they do it?

In fact, there's fuck all evidence for a government planned conspiracy theory, if you look into it hard enough, you will find what you're looking for, in this case a - scapegoat. For example, Tupac and the 7 day theory, 'lots of 7's in his life'. No, you're just looking to hard, it's not, not dead and gonna come back, he's dead. Let it go, maybe you should take something from that.

One of the classic arguments I like is "the structure was compromised, must of been government involvement".. Yet I wasn't under the impression they had undertaken tests of the stresses and forces involved in this circumstance (e.g. a jumbo jet into the twin towers).

Do you see how much 'evidence'. I say evidence, it should be taken as fact, as it is. You have to dismiss, and discredit before you could say the US government planned 9/11? It's bollocks, utter tripe. You have to be a monumental idiot to believe it. Or extremely gullible.

Again, don't imply that I will say something etc. You come accross very arrogant when you do. I never stated or mentioned relating to black boxes or calls that are "fake". Just so you understand.

Fuck all evidence? Ok...sure, I just made it up completely..Have you even watched Loose Change? I found it very intelligent. And no, not an air traffic controller; Honestly. Resorting to sarcasm etc, answer my questions rather than fobbing me off with random utterances, what's the point? .

All I'm saying is, and perhaps I shouldn't have called people misguided fools, that I'm a sceptic with regards to what happened.

[Bound]

Again, don't imply that I will say something etc. You come accross very arrogant when you do. I never stated or mentioned relating to black boxes or calls that are "fake". Just so you understand.

Fuck all evidence? Ok...sure, I just made it up completely..Have you even watched Loose Change? I found it very intelligent. And no, not an air traffic controller; Honestly. Resorting to sarcasm etc, answer my questions rather than fobbing me off with random utterances, what's the point? .

All I'm saying is, and perhaps I shouldn't have called people misguided fools, that I'm a sceptic with regards to what happened.

I'm trying to balance my own argument, something very few people do. Most people only see their side of the argument, I understand that you see both, and we both come down on different sides of the fence, I respect that. Trying to predict your answer, and discredit it before you say it. It's a smart way of arguing.

I did not resort to sarcasm, apart from my apparent arrogance, I made some very valid points, and it is now you who has avoided them.

[Bound]

..No wait, I did resort to sarcasm. LOL.

[Heliosphan]

Do you see how much 'evidence'. I say evidence, it should be taken as fact, as it is. You have to dismiss, and discredit before you could say the US government planned 9/11? It's bollocks, utter tripe. You have to be a monumental idiot to believe it. Or extremely gullible.

Idiots and gullible people along with proud Americans who can't accept that this really happened on their own soil.

The prize for the instigators...a 13 storey mosque which opens on 9/11. You couldn't make this shit up. Pure madness and tolerance gone wrong. Bomb our buildings in the name of religion and we'll give you a place of worship.

What next? The bombing of Big Ben and a 400ft minaret in it's place? All in the name of tolerance and peace you understand.

[Phsyco_Paff]

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[Bound]

along with proud Americans who can't accept that this really happened on their own soil.

Really?

You'd think that 'proud' Americans would instil faith, and believe in their governments competence to act in retaliation, and hold those accountable/bring about justice.

Though I suppose they didn't have faith in the Bush administration (well, he was leaving anyway), as they voted republicans out. Or democrats in ;). (Glass half full/empty ;D).

[Peter_D]

E-warriors i love them.

They are having a discussion?

Maybe if Bound had said if 23carragold keeps clutching at straws and trying to bleed dry the silliest of conspiracy theorys, then he's gonna come down there and knife him, THEN he would be an e-warrior

But until that happens, i think you should just keep hush hush lad :fcuk:

[Phsyco_Paff]

They are having a discussion?

Maybe if Bound had said if 23carragold keeps clutching at straws and trying to bleed dry the silliest of conspiracy theorys, then he's gonna come down there and knife him, THEN he would be an e-warrior

But until that happens, i think you should just keep hush hush lad :fcuk:

nitpicking around the inevertable.

[Bound]

E-warriors i love them.


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Midget's
childporn
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Barry Boys
Corner shops
Speed bumps
British weather
Public transport
Golf commentry
Back seat drivers
The nokia ring tone
Stitches in my eye lid
Cash your gold Advert
People that cant drive
Average speed checks
99% off people in England
Joy riderz that steal 1.0L's
Diy programms with flat packs
Christmas tree's without lights
The way the Threads arranged
National Tomato Appeciation Day
Old people walking across the road
People that drive with there fog's on
Police who pull you over for no reason
People with nothing to add to threads
Lost pet poster's (it's not lost it's left)
People that have blantly have had no life since mw2
People who argue over the internet....god dam e warriors
Chavs - Annoyance to society, and are no good to anyone
poeple who think saxos are the shittest car over everything
Prius - espcially the owners (Prius c*nts we call them at work)
Homosexuals/Lesbians that spend their life telling the world they're gay.
Katie fucking Price. I wouldn't batter an eyelid if she crashed/burned/died
Drivers who fill up at petrol stations and do there fuking weekly shop in there
Retards that cant drive in the snow or pretty much anywhere witch inturn put's my insurance up
American people (apart from the dude (with a fake leg)who wash's cars because hes awsome.)
When people dont post tits of their girlfriends/sisters/mothers/grandmothers/aunties/etc...
Foreigners who live in england and cant speak our language or dont work then moan about our traditions

Shame the rest of sax-p dosen't.

...I like Star Wars :S.

And yes, it was necessary to quote the whole thing.

[Bound]

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Fa_Fh/Family_Guy/crops/family-guy-peter-griffin7.jpg

Slightly..relevant? :S... Got airplane in it?

[Peter_D]

Another conspiracy...perhaps it was a character from Family Guy who accidently hit the twin towers whilst chasing Peter Griffin? :o

[Bound]

Another conspiracy...perhaps it was a character from Family Guy who accidently hit the twin towers whilst chasing Peter Griffin? :o

Giant chicken fight innit.

[Bound]

Lol, who are we kidding?

http://jewsdid911.ytmnd.com/

[liam-o]

George Bush might be a lot of things but one thing he isn't is the butcher of 3000 odd people.

i didnt say he was... I believe it was terrorists...

[Peter_D]

That site has successfully brainwashed me into believing anything but the truth, based purely on the fact that it is different to what we are supposed to believe

Fuckin jews!

[Bound]

That site has successfully brainwashed me into believing anything but the truth, based purely on the fact that it is different to what we are supposed to believe

Fuckin jews!

...and they killed jewsus!

[Peter_D]

Are jew being serious?

[Bound]

Are jew being serious?

I'm not sure.. I'm HIV positive.

[liam-o]

I'm not sure.. I'm HIV positive.

south park FTW!

[Bound]

south park FTW!

Get the jew outta here!

No jewing way!

http://www.familyguyx.net/episode/road_to_the_multiverse/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3zCj3F1d4

Lolocaust.

[stinkycheese]

BigDick, you seem like an intelligent bloke, watch the last link I posted and then come back to this thread. If you honestly believe that it's as straight forward as it first seemed then you're a lost cause. :D

[Bound]

Okay mate, I have got it in a tab. I am interested. Put it on the tab ;D.

[stinkycheese]

I didn't mean for that to come across as patronising as it sounded. Sorry :p

[rey]

Completely off topic,

People with nothing to add to threads

Slight contradiction to your own hate list there, well done.

My two cents -

I, personally, don't care that a mosque is being built 2 blocks or whatever away from ground zero, as said, people of all religions died in the tragedy.

Just because extremists exist in the world, does not mean that all Muslims should be persecuted for that.

Also, with regards to the Freedom Tower, can't wait for that thing to get built, I'm heading back to New York as soon as it's finished.

[Heliosphan]

Completely off topic,

Slight contradiction to your own hate list there, well done.

My two cents -

I, personally, don't care that a mosque is being built 2 blocks or whatever away from ground zero, as said, people of all religions died in the tragedy.

Just because extremists exist in the world, does not mean that all Muslims should be persecuted for that.

Also, with regards to the Freedom Tower, can't wait for that thing to get built, I'm heading back to New York as soon as it's finished.


Of course people of many religions died but it was the radical element of Islam that casued it and there were many muslims around the world that sympathised with the act - not all obviously.

[0rang3peel]

cant see why any educated person would have any problem with this

+1

really guys, honestly. omg there was a turban within 16 miles he MUST have done it.

[Mieran]

Heliosphan, is this you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=related

[Heliosphan]

Heliosphan, is this you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=related

Saw this the other day - never a truer word said.

[Mieran]

btw, the american army (Christians) have killed more innocent people than any other terroist attack, why does no one talk about that?

[Heliosphan]

Incidently, Imam Faisal Rauf, who is one of the driving forces behind the project shares the same twisted belief as 23Carragold about what happened on 9/11.

Here's a quote from him, taken from Fox News:

"We have the right to build this building as a right. We don't need any zoning variations. We can just go ahead and build it without permissions or expressions of support from anybody"

Intolerant, insensitive, arrogant and repressive.

[Heliosphan]

btw, the american army (Christians) have killed more innocent people than any other terroist attack, why does no one talk about that?

I'm not in favour of that either.

[23carragold]

Incidently, Imam Faisal Rauf, who is one of the driving forces behind the project shares the same twisted belief as 23Carragold about what happened on 9/11.

Here's a quote from him, taken from Fox News:

"We have the right to build this building as a right. We don't need any zoning variations. We can just go ahead and build it without permissions or expressions of support from anybody"

Intolerant, insensitive, arrogant and repressive.

Listen, I'm getting tired of your shit now. Stop associating me with "twisted beliefs" etc. I merely have a different set of opinions on what occurred on 9/11 and why it occurred. So for once, STFU. I was big enough to realise I shouldn't have called people misguided fools over this, and clarified myself.

And I'm not the only one who believes its fine for ANY religious building to be built there. Read other people's ideas too. Prick.

[Mark51]

LOCKED

Can't see anything more constructive been added to this. If you girls want to carry on the bitching do it via PM. Play nice.