vtr or zr? need help

[jamiesaxo1]

hello there i have a 1.1 saxo...and im thinking of upgrading to a 1.4 vtr or an mg zr?im aware that mg no longer make cars but i was researching and i think you can still get most parts from a company called x-parts or something....which do you people think would be a better buy?? thanks

[Dom]

MG Headgaskets are shocking, some say easily fixed but still after my sisters problem with her MGF VVC I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Just my opinion before I get a smart arse answer saying they are easily repaired. No they are not.

[Phils_VTR]

Hopefully i've gotten to you before you get slated lol.

For a start, a vtr is a 1.6 and not a 1.4.

MG ZR to people who don't know alot about cars will look pricer because they are bigger and arent as common in mcdonalds. But because they blow the fuck up and are an mg, they arent worth anything and I would not bother with one. ever.

Faster, more reliable and imo better looking for around the same price = Saxo.

[Bound]

Bit confused, says under your cars you have a 1.4? Then you say you have a 1.1. Then say you want a 1.4 VTR (which isn't a VTR - it's a furio/westcoast which is what it says in your cars).

Between the 1.4 and the ZR I might go for the ZR, between VTR and ZR I'd probably go VTR.. but, I dunno, I like both cars =].

Actually I'd also consider the Fiesta Zetec (2001 ish). For me it was between that and the VTR. Zetec blue :heart:.

[VTR01KBR]

If your looking for something more mature and comfy get the MG. If not get the saxo.

[Sparky26]

vtr all the way mg zr headgaskets aint easy to fix and arent the most reliable..

[VTSTomE]

Unless he's in Ireland as the models are classified differently. I had a ZR 105 but would not recommend buying one unless it's got a fully documented past with the headgasket already been done.

[woodysVTR]

Am I right in saying MG parts are scarce to come by as well since going bust?

[jamiesaxo1]

Hopefully i've gotten to you before you get slated lol.

For a start, a vtr is a 1.6 and not a 1.4.

MG ZR to people who don't know alot about cars will look pricer because they are bigger and arent as common in mcdonalds. But because they blow the fuck up and are an mg, they arent worth anything and I would not bother with one. ever.

Faster, more reliable and imo better looking for around the same price = Saxo.

in ireland vtr's are 1.4 and vts's are 1.6.....furio and westcoast over here are regarding to trim levels only...

[jamiesaxo1]

Unless he's in Ireland as the models are classified differently. I had a ZR 105 but would not recommend buying one unless it's got a fully documented past with the headgasket already been done.

what was it like to drive? would it be quciker than a 1.4 saxo vtr/furio?

[jamiesaxo1]

Bit confused, says under your cars you have a 1.4? Then you say you have a 1.1. Then say you want a 1.4 VTR (which isn't a VTR - it's a furio/westcoast which is what it says in your cars).

Between the 1.4 and the ZR I might go for the ZR, between VTR and ZR I'd probably go VTR.. but, I dunno, I like both cars =].

Actually I'd also consider the Fiesta Zetec (2001 ish). For me it was between that and the VTR. Zetec blue :heart:.

no says i have a furio?? in ireland furios are 1.1's with an ungraded trim level as same with westcoast (over here thats the older furio model)....and here 1.4 are vtr's and 1.6 are vts's.

[dankzy]

mg are back in business so parts shouldnt be a problem, i would choose the zr out of the to as it is faster, if it was the british vtr then i would choose that, as for hg, as long as you treat it right it should be fine and saxos arent exalty trhe most reliable car in the world, i would say a zr and vtr is similar for reliablity

[jamiesaxo1]

Am I right in saying MG parts are scarce to come by as well since going bust?

nope when they went bust they passed all the part manufacturing onto x-parts...and they are the manufacturer of genuine rover/mg parts.

[woodysVTR]

nope when they went bust they passed all the part manufacturing onto x-parts...and they are the manufacturer of genuine rover/mg parts.

Ah I see, get a VTR anyway.

[jamiesaxo1]

mg are back in business so parts shouldnt be a problem, i would choose the zr out of the to as it is faster, if it was the british vtr then i would choose that, as for hg, as long as you treat it right it should be fine and saxos arent exalty trhe most reliable car in the world, i would say a zr and vtr is similar for reliablity

yeh i think would to due to speed and and fresher looks....and do you mean you would pick the British 1.4? or 1.6? as 1.6 not really an option for me lol.

[MiniGibbo]

Parts are easy to get for them always have been.

very similar cars headgasket is over hyped by kids who dont have a clue though but can be used as a barganning tool when buying.

oem vs oem they would be ver ysimilar straight line speed, even though its heavier and smaller capacity the k series is a powerful engine. Handling wise the zr would wipe the floor with a vtr.

Persoanlly id take the vtr, jsut bothers me the amount of dinlos that jump on the hg wagon.

[jamiesaxo1]

Ah I see, get a VTR anyway.

yeh i like saxos only the one iv had hasnt been the most reliable lol

[VTR01KBR]

whats your budget?

[Phils_VTR]

yeh i like saxos only the one iv had hasnt been the most reliable lol

I've had my VTR for a year exactly, never broke on me once it been beautiful.

..Until a bloke threw his bike at me and started booting my panels in that is...

[wingnuts]

vtr all the way all mg's are shit.....fact

[Bound]

in ireland vtr's are 1.4 and vts's are 1.6.....furio and westcoast over here are regarding to trim levels only...

God damn, what're the chances of you being from Ireland (and on this forum) :/.

I was gonna put that as an exception. Awh well.

Are MGZR's still 1.6's? :D.

[jamiesaxo1]

whats your budget?

about 2 grand or more...but its not really the purchasing of the car its more the running....fuel..insurance etc etc im still only 17 :(.....insurance is done diffrently over here i think...my quote stays the same on the mg havent tried the 1.4 saxo yet....

[jamiesaxo1]

God damn, what're the chances of you being from Ireland (and on this forum) :/.

I was gonna put that as an exception. Awh well.

Are MGZR's still 1.6's? :D.

haha you think they'd save the trouble and make them all the same....it doesnt really make any sence....no they are 1.4's...and at the moment thats as big as i could go :(

[baker556]

Personlly a fan of saxos and i would normally slate a zr.

Actually think i would rather have a ZR, make sure the headgasket has been done with the land rover gasket.

Zr has air con, leather as standard better alarm, they look nice and go very well.

After having my saxo its fun, but to chavy always rattling or has the odd niggle every couple of weeks to sort out, dont get me wrong its nice and fun just think the zr is abit more grown up even if it is a glorified rover 25.

Don't ask this question on a saxo forum next time.

[wadoryu]

buy the zr cause if you crash, you will less likely damage out insurance as much as driving a saxo

[jamiesaxo1]

Personlly a fan of saxos and i would normally slate a zr.

Actually think i would rather have a ZR, make sure the headgasket has been done with the land rover gasket.

Zr has air con, leather as standard better alarm, they look nice and go very well.

After having my saxo its fun, but to chavy always rattling or has the odd niggle every couple of weeks to sort out, dont get me wrong its nice and fun just think the zr is abit more grown up even if it is a glorified rover 25.

Don't ask this question on a saxo forum next time.

why not ask it?? u agreed that the mg is the better car lol

[jamiesaxo1]

buy the zr cause if you crash, you will less likely damage out insurance as much as driving a saxo

less likely to damage myself aswel lol

[woodysVTR]

why not ask it?? u agreed that the mg is the better car lol

He's just saying the natural bias towards the Saxo on the forum will probably result in a one-sided opinion, which it kind of has.

[VTSTomE]

what was it like to drive? would it be quciker than a 1.4 saxo vtr/furio?
Would be similar, my mate had a UK Furio 1.4 at the same time i had mine and they were roughly the same.

[jamiesaxo1]

less likely to damage myself aswel lol

and would they punish me more for crashing a saxo then a zr?....over in ireland we dont do insurance groups but as a matter of interest which has a higher insurance group?

[jamiesaxo1]

He's just saying the natural bias towards the Saxo on the forum will probably result in a one-sided opinion, which it kind of has.

i suppose....thought it would have been alot more one sided though.:geek:

[dankzy]

yeh i think would to due to speed and and fresher looks....and do you mean you would pick the British 1.4? or 1.6? as 1.6 not really an option for me lol.

i meant cause your in ireland, the vtr's over here are 1.6 8v, the 1.4 8v is called westcoast/furio

[TypeRDavid]

Having driven both a ZR and a Saxo i can honsetly say the ZR is a load of shite!!! just a badged up rover 25 and dosent handle or perform as well as people say for me the vtr was a lot more fun on country roads and overall, the rover was boring to drive, and for those who say the 1.4 ZR is quicker, you must be dreaming!! the vtr would more than be a match for the ZR in every aspect!

Honestly the MG range is awful and before anyone says the K series engines are brilliant and MG's are good cars please go somewhere else because your talking shite!!

[Shaneybaby]

Mate you have to go for the VTR. I want one so bad! They are light and nippy, ZR will be heavy and you just wont love it like you love a good saxo, you know it! Plus hastle about parts if the ZR decides to hate you...

[joe333]

No way zr are shit!!!

[joe333]

Having driven both a ZR and a Saxo i can honsetly say the ZR is a load of shite!!! just a badged up rover 25 and dosent handle or perform as well as people say for me the vtr was a lot more fun on country roads and overall, the rover was boring to drive, and for those who say the 1.4 ZR is quicker, you must be dreaming!! the vtr would more than be a match for the ZR in every aspect!

Honestly the MG range is awful and before anyone says the K series engines are brilliant and MG's are good cars please go somewhere else because your talking shite!!

hhahahaa i really like what you said :)

[saxokid100]

best to buy vtr mate..........

[vtr02]

well i have owned both, the rover 25 gti, i have owned a zr for a month and got rid for the saxo...

for me the saxo is a very good car for the money and has had opposite problems to what i have with the rover gti /mg zr. What i have found is that saxo is more about suspention problems and rattles/ where the rover was more mechamical issues but the general build was good

All cars have there indivdual problems specific to make/model so what ever you own you have to be willing to maintain it. so pick something that will match your buget, insurance and look into part prices, general things too like tyre prices lol if you kno what i mean and see what you can afford and enjoy.

[CitroenSport]

MGZR = shite my mate has spent £2000 on his over 1 and a half years and he only payed £2500 for it lol

and the £2000 is repairs including 2x headgaskets! and an interior loom i think or full rewire

but he has now seen the light and is selling it before something else goes wrong haha

[saxokid100]

Ive got Gti metro,had it for 15 years,and only changed the headgasket ones.........lol.....so not all Rovers are bad.................

[jamiesaxo1]

He's just saying the natural bias towards the Saxo on the forum will probably result in a one-sided opinion, which it kind of has.

i kind of see the one-sided opinion now haha

[MathewVTR]

My mate at uni had an MG ZR 1.4 for around 6 months. Headgasket went on it after 1 month, then a few months later he said it dropped a lead and he had to get a whole new engine for it. I'd say go for a VTR.

[MiniGibbo]

My mate at uni had an MG ZR 1.4 for around 6 months. Headgasket went on it after 1 month, then a few months later he said it dropped a lead and he had to get a whole new engine for it. I'd say go for a VTR.

Do explain?

[Mochachino]

VTR, i hate any MG or Rover. Would rather a 1.1 106 than a MG Rover

[DannyVTS]

MG ZR seats are sooooo comfy and the ride is solid. Feels a nice car and there fast enough!

VTR is cheaper insurance and weigh a bit less though, i'd probably go with the ZR if you've currently got a saxo, for a change.. or the VTR if its going to be your first saxo

[MGD56]

ive owned both and tbh i had to spend much more money on the vtr than i did the zr in the time that i owned my saxo but the zr allready had the headgasket replaced prior to me buying it and parts are no more harder to get than they are for any other car but the zr 105 will probably cost you more to insure than it will to insure a saxo vtr as its 2 insurance groups higher even though the vtr has a bigger engine and is slightly quicker from 0 to 60 so in all honesty i would say vtr as its quicker off the mark its cheaper to insure and it still looks good but i'd say the zr is a much safer car if you ever plan on wrapping either around a tree.

Things to check the zr if you decide to buy
Engine oil remove the cap and check for white stuff that resembles mayonnaise.
Engine coolant resevior for traces of oil or brown gunk that resembles chocolate milkshake.
Heating and temp gauge if the heating is blowing cold when it should be hot or if the temp gauge is sitting higher than half way then these are all signs of HG failure.

Oil or brown gunk in the coolant resevior on its own doesn't necessarily mean headgasket failure as it could have been a replaced headgasket where whoever replaced the gasket just never flushed the system properly but its completely harmless

[Bound]

MGZR = shite my mate has spent £2000 on his over 1 and a half years and he only payed £2500 for it lol

and the £2000 is repairs including 2x headgaskets! and an interior loom i think or full rewire

but he has now seen the light and is selling it before something else goes wrong haha

But what if... he's made it mint with those repairs now lol.

[Bound]

Gotta remember guys, when he says ZR and VTR, he means they are both 1.4 (NI).

[DannyVTS]

Gotta remember guys, when he says ZR and VTR, he means they are both 1.4 (NI).

AH indeed good point, the lads from Ireland.

So is it the 1.4 8v lump ?


If so ZR all the way! :drink:

[MGD56]

If theyre both 1.4 then the ZR is a no brainer if you dont mind paying the extra to insure it

[jamiesaxo1]

If theyre both 1.4 then the ZR is a no brainer if you dont mind paying the extra to insure it

no in ireland its different anyway... believe me or believe me not but my insurance doesnt rise on a zr...and i only have a 1.1 saxo haha

[jamiesaxo1]

ive owned both and tbh i had to spend much more money on the vtr than i did the zr in the time that i owned my saxo but the zr allready had the headgasket replaced prior to me buying it and parts are no more harder to get than they are for any other car but the zr 105 will probably cost you more to insure than it will to insure a saxo vtr as its 2 insurance groups higher even though the vtr has a bigger engine and is slightly quicker from 0 to 60 so in all honesty i would say vtr as its quicker off the mark its cheaper to insure and it still looks good but i'd say the zr is a much safer car if you ever plan on wrapping either around a tree.

Things to check the zr if you decide to buy
Engine oil remove the cap and check for white stuff that resembles mayonnaise.
Engine coolant resevior for traces of oil or brown gunk that resembles chocolate milkshake.
Heating and temp gauge if the heating is blowing cold when it should be hot or if the temp gauge is sitting higher than half way then these are all signs of HG failure.

Oil or brown gunk in the coolant resevior on its own doesn't necessarily mean headgasket failure as it could have been a replaced headgasket where whoever replaced the gasket just never flushed the system properly but its completely harmless

im thinkin more along lines of zr for comfort etc and thanks ill make sure to look at that stuff when going to look at them....but that all fairly standard hg stuff is there anything specifically i should look at with zr's?.....