Euro Styled Alloys

[chrsjcb]

Decided that I'm going to concentrate on how the VTR looks rather than chasing BHP (Don't want to go down bodies or turbo route) and am a big fan of the euro/clean look.

I figure a good place to start is by getting some nice deep dish / old school / euro alloys and then getting it really low.

What are everyone's favourite rims in this style and what size looks best? I like the look of Borbet A's a lot and Ronal Turbos don't look bad either.

I'm thinking 14 or 15". Also how low would you go without ruining handling?

Thanks!

[L_TGX]

60 all round, borbet A's colour coded

[adam661]

i love the look of htn rennsports but there quite £

[02furio]

i would go for borbet A's, as i dont like ronal turbo's

[chrsjcb]

Thanks for the suggestions!

I am definitely leaning towards the Borbets!

60mm all round? If I upgrade all the shocks and get some good springs for the front it should still handle well?

[Caino]

everyone is doing Borbets get something else

[chrsjcb]

True, euro is about being different I guess, they do look good though!

[chrsjcb]

Deleted..... me being an idiot

[pyefurio]

will probally have to get a adapter because they are five stud and saxos are four stud.

[chrsjcb]

corr that was quick! I think they would be too big!

[L_TGX]

i hate ronals too

[chrsjcb]

Good vw/euro forum with a for sale section... Looking to get a second hand set.

[martyno]

A good euro rim that you could run without stretched tures is CADES EROS. A beautiful little rim. nice dish about 2 inches deep.

[baker123]

50 front and 60 back best for handling

[L_TGX]

60 front 50 back

[chrsjcb]

I have been looking at my insurance increases for alloys, colour coding, lowering and bonnet and it'sa good few hundred pounds...

Not sure if it's worth it!

[geordie_alex]

Google Gottis, they are the best and most underated euro wheel out there, and cos of that are rare, so you could be the firat to have them on.

if you still want handling 60mm is prob the lowest you want to go.

[mirrorblanks]

to pull off the look you'll need to go lower than 60mm all round

edition38.com has a really good for sale section for wheels

[martyno]

It is worth it...but...you will find that the insurance company will not replace the aftermarket parts after a claim, so whats the point in insuring it in the first place????

[mirrorblanks]

It is worth it...but...you will find that the insurance company will not replace the aftermarket parts after a claim, so whats the point in insuring it in the first place????


they will if you speak to them properly and get an agree value for the parts etc, my old euro fiesta had everything insured and if worst happened they would replace the modified parts for exact items

[Andyc123]

wouldnt worry to much about your handling if your gunna go down the euro route!

get some coilovers ideally!, Fairly rare or wide wheels.. Etc, Not Borbets tho!, there done to death!

[chrsjcb]

Thanks for the link I will check that out!

Well... I am only insuring them because I don't want my insurance void and then wide open if i have a crash.

If i wrote the car off and they wouldnt replace my parts that wouldnt bother me, i'd take that but I don't want to drive uninsured.

Unless of course I can just not insure them and if i crash I just lose them if they're damaged but still be insured if the other persons car is damaged.

[mirrorblanks]

Unless of course I can just not insure them and if i crash I just lose them if they're damaged but still be insured if the other persons car is damaged.

no they will just void your insurance and it will be asif you were an uninsured driver

[chrsjcb]

Okay so that's what I have to weigh up... If it's worth it to me paying an extra £300 on top of parts for insurance.

inb4 modifying isn't cheap... I now realise that!

[mirrorblanks]

Okay so that's what I have to weigh up... If it's worth it to me paying an extra £300 on top of parts for insurance.

inb4 modifying isn't cheap... I now realise that!

you sure its that much on top? if so then your getting ripped off, get a new insurer

[martyno]

they will if you speak to them properly and get an agree value for the parts etc, my old euro fiesta had everything insured and if worst happened they would replace the modified parts for exact items

When I spoke to my insurance company about insuring parts on my old fez zetec s they said to me they would only replace the aftermarket parts with OE.

[mirrorblanks]

When I spoke to my insurance company about insuring parts on my old fez zetec s they said to me they would only replace the aftermarket parts with OE.


shop around then, not all insurers will do it, speak to ones that insure modded cars, ie adrian flux

[nicole_]

wouldnt worry to much about your handling if your gunna go down the euro route!

get some coilovers ideally!, Fairly rare or wide wheels.. Etc, Not Borbets tho!, there done to death!

says the one with banded steels
but yeh theres a lot of us with borbets on here so i wouldnt bother getting them
unhappily for me, nothing else is gunna suit mine, so the borbets have to stay :n:
but everyones selling up so eventually i might be the only one left with them woop lol

not alot of companies offer the replacing the mods thing, i think sky insurance defo do it

[martyno]

no they will just void your insurance and it will be asif you were an uninsured driver


Are you sure of this. I heared so many varying answers to this. I have read somewhere that you will be covered third party still if driving with undeclaired mods, so if you crash into someone else, their car will be repaired and yours will not get touched. I think someone who works in an insurance company need to clarify what is actual fact.

[D--R--E--W]

I have these for sale. They were gonna get refurbed and put on my old sax but never got round to it, they are exceedingly rare aswell and almost positive nobody has them on a saxo

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac38/d--r--e--w/newrims.jpg

And these are my old Caeds Eros alloys that were mentioned on the previous page

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac38/d--r--e--w/2.jpg
http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac38/d--r--e--w/8.jpg

[mirrorblanks]

not alot of companies offer the replacing the mods thing, i think sky insurance defo do it


most companies who are advertised in back of fast car/max power do, just need to remember to get an agreed value with them

[mirrorblanks]

Are you sure of this. I heared so many varying answers to this. I have read somewhere that you will be covered third party still if driving with undeclaired mods, so if you crash into someone else, their car will be repaired and yours will not get touched. I think someone who works in an insurance company need to clarify what is actual fact.


i work in a bodyshop, 90% of our work is insurance jobs and i have alot of contact with insurance companies and they will just void insurance and it is like you were uninsured driver

[mirrorblanks]

I
http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac38/d--r--e--w/2.jpg

would of looked spot on with either rears spaced out or if they made wider rears

[D--R--E--W]

would of looked spot on with either rears spaced out or if they made wider rears

It sat not bad once the axle was fixed...

I had 20mm spacers to make them fit but was going for 40mm

[mirrorblanks]

its a shame how not many of these companies ie lenso, caeds don't make wider rears, alot more people would go for them if they did say 15x7 fronts and 15x8 rears

[nicole_]

its a shame how not many of these companies ie lenso, caeds don't make wider rears, alot more people would go for them if they did say 15x7 fronts and 15x8 rears

i thought alot of companies did make staggered sets but they only seem to be from 16" upwards

[jeffchiz]

buy my borbets!!! lol
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328146
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo16/jeffchiz/IMG_1881.jpg
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo16/jeffchiz/IMG_1880.jpg

[martyno]

i work in a bodyshop, 90% of our work is insurance jobs and i have alot of contact with insurance companies and they will just void insurance and it is like you were uninsured driver

Thats good enough clarification for me.

Those cades are well sexy, especially in black. There quite cheap too.

[mirrorblanks]

i thought alot of companies did make staggered sets but they only seem to be from 16" upwards

lenso bsx's are only made in 15x7 or 16x7.5, don't offer anything with different widths for front and back, at the minute off top of head theres only one set of euro wheels that you can get in 7.5 fronts and 9 rears but they are 17's that are one piece aftermarket off the shelf jobs

edit: sorry keskin and borbet you can get different widths aswell

[chrsjcb]

Thanks for the responses! Pretty good reading...

I think I'm just going to go for it and do something each month, that way when I buy the bits and add onto the insurance it won't be so much of a shock.

I'm with Admiral by the way, It would cost me around £90 to drop it below 50mm and another £90 to insure a set of aftermarket rims...

Colour coding is about an extra £30 and I think changing the bonnet is about that.. (would want to get the front vent smoothed out)

I have however taken the rear badges off tonight and cleaned it up ready for refurb.

d--r--e--w - PM on the black rims.

I think i'm going to go for something different to the Borbets Ronals and banded steels, almost everyone I know has VW's with those on!

[RachBabyX]

[QUOTE=D--R--E--W;4604575]I have these for sale. They were gonna get refurbed and put on my old sax but never got round to it, they are exceedingly rare aswell and almost positive nobody has them on a saxo

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac38/d--r--e--w/newrims.jpg

two of my friends have these exact same rims and one has them on a green VTS and the other on a red Furio :) nice thoo

[chrsjcb]

Have decided that I really want a set of this style!

http://www.wheel-whores.com/classifieds/data/4/2010-07-27_17_38_27.jpg




My VTR is silver and I think contrasting black on silver theme throughout will look sweet!

Will start a progress thread when I make some progress!

[stokesy]

look on beaniemoos's prog thread, early on his saxo was silver, and had the set of bbs (the wheels he currently has on) on them, will give you an idea of these wheels above or similar on a silver saxo..
they look very good..

[stokesy]

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189275&page=4
scroll down that page bud, might give u an idea

[chrsjcb]

Cheers mate! I thought I had seen them somewhere, they look nuts!

Exactly the look.

I am eyeing up a set of these too

http://pitstopshop.eu/images/ats_cup.jpg

Could be going dirt cheap, not too sure if they look as good as the BBS' though...

[jeffchiz]

Cheers mate! I thought I had seen them somewhere, they look nuts!

Exactly the look.

I am eyeing up a set of these too

http://pitstopshop.eu/images/ats_cup.jpg

Could be going dirt cheap, not too sure if they look as good as the BBS' though...

well the whole reason not to get borbets, ronals, steelies etc was because they were over played? not as overplayed as bbs and ats cups imo

[mirrorblanks]

firstly, get a new insurer, they are taking the piss adding that much on for each mod, check out adrian flux, i was with them, declared everything and insurance only went up £30 over what it was standard

next bbs split rims, rm's or rs's will cost you a small fortune, not many sets got for under £800, most around a grand

at's cup as far as i know where only made in 4x98 and 4x100 pcd, there maybe a few sets of 4x108 but you'll have a hard job of finding some

[jeffchiz]

two of my friends have these exact same rims and one has them on a green VTS and the other on a red Furio :) nice thoo

sure your not on about shitty lenso replicas? they look very similar to the untrained eye

[mirrorblanks]

sure your not on about shitty lenso replicas? they look very similar to the untrained eye

lenso eagles i think they are called

[jeffchiz]

lenso eagles i think they are called

i was thinking lenso bsx's

[jeffchiz]

ive just googled the eagles and they are similar

[nicole_]

ats cups wouldnt suit a saxo

[mirrorblanks]

i was thinking lenso bsx's

bsx's are meant to look more like bbs rm/rs splits

[jeffchiz]

bsx's are meant to look more like bbs rm/rs splits

yea but because of the miserable lack of the dish they look more like D-R-E-W's wheels lol

[mirrorblanks]

like i said on earlier page if lenso wanted to sell even more they should of done wider sets for the rear with more dish

[jeffchiz]

like i said on earlier page if lenso wanted to sell even more they should of done wider sets for the rear with more dish

couldnt agree more! also i think it would be better if they got rid of the fake bolts, because it just de-values them imo by making them look like something there not, they should have just made good looking cheap wheels without trying to copy everything then i might have more respect for them

[mirrorblanks]

couldnt agree more! also i think it would be better if they got rid of the fake bolts, because it just de-values them imo by making them look like something there not, they should have just made good looking cheap wheels without trying to copy everything then i might have more respect for them


i don't have any respect for companies who copy anything else

[chrsjcb]

Have seen the Lenso replicas, they have very little dish! Plus they're a replica...

Insurance wise - I have about 9 months left on my policy, can you get out of policies early? I am going to guess that they will bend me over for cancelling.

Looks like it's going to take some time trying to find something that hasn't been done before that suits a saxo. There are only so many wheels that have been produced, someone somewhere will have a "unique" wheel.. Rendering it no longer unique if I have it... Talking the rim itself here, not customisation to it.

[jeffchiz]

get your motor on to OVERHAULING and chip foose will make you up some one off wheels for free ;)

[mirrorblanks]

Insurance wise - I have about 9 months left on my policy, can you get out of policies early? I am going to guess that they will bend me over for cancelling.



can cancel whenever you want, i've had insurance for less than a month before cancelling and only had to pay a small cancelling fee


look on wheel-whores.com or edition38.com in the classified sections, look for something different, don't rule out 4x100 pcd wheels, you can ither get adapters to make them fit saxo's 4x108 pcd or you can get the wheels redrilled for around £20-30 a wheel

[chrsjcb]

haha I used to watch that!

That's the way it's going though to get something totally unique.

hmmmmm

[chrsjcb]

Okay I will look into doing that, will they reimburse me for the difference left on my policy?

I looked on edition 38, I can't find the wheels classifieds!

Wheel whores is good though.

Straight saxo fit is 4 stud, what offset / other wheel spec does it need to meet?

[mirrorblanks]

Okay I will look into doing that, will they reimburse me for the difference left on my policy?

I looked on edition 38, I can't find the wheels classifieds!

Wheel whores is good though.

Straight saxo fit is 4 stud, what offset / other wheel spec does it need to meet?

i'm guessing you've paid for the 12 months in 1? you'll have to speak to them about that

you need to sign up on ed38 to see the classifieds

if you stick to wheels that will just bolt straight onto the saxo then you'll not get anything unique

[jeffchiz]

Okay I will look into doing that, will they reimburse me for the difference left on my policy?

I looked on edition 38, I can't find the wheels classifieds!

Wheel whores is good though.

Straight saxo fit is 4 stud, what offset / other wheel spec does it need to meet?

well saxo offset is et15 and a PCD of 4x108 like mirrorblanks said dont limit your self to straight fitment wheels

BUT my borbets are straight fitment to a saxo/106 (which is pretty dam rare) and that is what makes them worth a bit more than other ones (obviously only worth more to saxo/106 owners lol)

[chrsjcb]

I have indeed, well it was a 10 month bonus accelerator policy but yeah I will have to give them a call.

OK thanks for that, I can see the "cars for sale" section, I am guessing there is a separate wheels room, will make an account.

I know what you mean there, i meant what specification does the wheel need to meet to fit (sorry was a bit vague). I'm not too clued up on what the offsets and ET numbers mean.

If they're 5 stud rims, the 4 studs should be in different positions and drilling wouldn't leave enough room? I am assuming there are adapters available?

[mirrorblanks]

If they're 5 stud rims, the 4 studs should be in different positions and drilling wouldn't leave enough room? I am assuming there are adapters available?


yes adapters are available from alot of places, few places on ebay make them custom

also wheels can be welded up and redrilled

[jeffchiz]

any wheel will fit any car if your pockets are deeeeeeep

[chrsjcb]

Ah excellent, I thought there would be some kind of fabrication involved when making 5 stud 4. Will look into adapters.

I work in IT but the company I'm at has a big manufacturing plant, I could definitely tap someone up and get this kind of thing custom made.. Could even use the CAD software and give them a drawing I think..

Just registered and classifieds has appeared, thanks!

Looking at the standard saxo rims and matching that fitment would work wouldnt it.

[mirrorblanks]

Looking at the standard saxo rims and matching that fitment would work wouldnt it.

depends on widths of wheels

[chrsjcb]

That would affect the depth away from the car if looking directly at the wheel.

I could change it by adding a custom spacer etc, matching the stud patter would fit, then I just have to worry about depth with spacers.

Need to find a set of rims now! then I can look at an adapter and get a copy machined at work!

[mirrorblanks]

its all about the width of the wheels and the offset of wheels that determines alot like if they will sit in the arch(tuck), or wether they will sit out of the arch(poke)

[chrsjcb]

Just googled offset, I understand.

I would have to get the rims and see how they sit depending on the width / offset and space accordingly.

Poke looks really good, this is why people stretch tyres so that you can poke the rims without touching the arches?

[mirrorblanks]

Poke looks really good, this is why people stretch tyres so that you can poke the rims without touching the arches?

yes, stops rubbing aswell as makes them legal, tyre tread has to be inside the arch

best thing to do is get some wheels and then do your measurements for spacers/adapters etc

i'd look at going atleast 9inch wide on the rear maybe 9

[chrsjcb]

That's cool, thanks for all the help, have learned a lot! Any IT problems and I'll try and return the favour :)

Stretching tyres - is it legal, will garages do it or is it something that I could do myself with the right tools?

[mirrorblanks]

you need to get a garage to do it

ye it is legal but some coppers can be arses because they don't like it and don't know the law properly

[chrsjcb]

Okay I'll see how it goes, hopefully I can get some with tyres already on. Otherwise, garage.

I really like the style of the BBS' and they suit so well!

Will have a look at some pics for inspiration.

[mirrorblanks]

bbs splits are expensive though, very rare in 4x108 but can either run adapters with 4x100's or get them redrilled

[chrsjcb]

I have noticed! May get a set of flaked ones needing refurb and get them re-chromed, a guy i work with is having a load of motorbike parts chromed soon and i could chip in with him.

Any alternatives the the BBS in the same style that arent't an immitation or did they do it originally?

[mirrorblanks]

bbs are the originals, everything else in the style is a rep

i'd personally not get bbs's, done to death on every car

look for some different splits, the good thing about split rims is you can take them apart and replace the lips with wider lips to give more dish and make the wheels wider

[chrsjcb]

Definitely looking for something that I can split, I want black inners and chrome deep dishes so even if they have say silver inners I can remove them and spray them.

Also just found an immense thread on wheel whores! So much inspiration there, not sure if I can link to it?

[mirrorblanks]

just post the link in here

[chrsjcb]

Was unsure of forum rules.

Here it is:

http://www.wheel-whores.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2696

[mirrorblanks]

linking is fine

all i can say is you'll be lucky to find atleast 95% of those wheels

[chrsjcb]

Well I'll have to if I want something that isn't overdone, not in a big rush so will search about and if it takes a while it's fine.

[mirrorblanks]

ebay.de is where alot of dub lad get their wheels but you'll need to be lucky to find an english speaking seller or use a translator website and postage can cost abit but alot of people on ed38 have got bargins and rear/unique wheels

[chrsjcb]

Ill get on that! Thanks for the heads up, I can speak a little German.

Stressful stuff!

[mirrorblanks]

Stressful stuff!


all worth it when you've got an awesome unique set of wheels

if you need any smoothed body parts to carry on the euro look, drop me a pm, its what i do as part of my job

[chrsjcb]

For sure, I'm sure I will.

Now to get looking!

[chrsjcb]

Google chrome has a built in translator if anyone is looking on ebay.de!

[mirrorblanks]

Google chrome has a built in translator if anyone is looking on ebay.de!


cool, didn't know that

don't use google chrome though lol

[E3D]

heres a chop of cups i did a while ago to give u an idea.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9687/saxo1.jpg

[chrsjcb]

Thanks, can really see what they look like.

I think I am going to go for something with more of a dish.

[chrsjcb]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/jayl645/DSC_0169.jpg

Opinions?

[mirrorblanks]

no dish, not really euro

[chrsjcb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/270481b3n/Benny.jpg

Been done but I love them, so much

[mirrorblanks]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/270481b3n/Benny.jpg

Been done but I love them, so much


looking at around £1200+ for a set

[chrsjcb]

Genuine BBS?

And do they look like the same wheels?

Also, could I put bigger lips on these?


http://img818.imageshack.us/i/rimbbs.png/

http://img256.imageshack.us/i/rims.png

[mirrorblanks]

first link are one piece wheels so can't fit bigger lips and tbh don't look like genuine bbs


second link doesn't work

[chrsjcb]

May be the owner of some Borbet A's today super cheap, but will do something different with them.

They are 5 x 112 though, is it even possible to buy / make an adapter that would make them fit? I have a feeling that the bolts would overlap at some points which would make a hup adapter very difficult to make properly... unless it was very thick.

[chrsjcb]

Bump!

Can i get 5 x 112 to fit 4 x 108??

[chrsjcb]

18 minutes left!!

Edit.

Missed out on some Borbet A's for £75...

[mirrorblanks]

They are 5 x 112 though, is it even possible to buy / make an adapter that would make them fit? I have a feeling that the bolts would overlap at some points which would make a hup adapter very difficult to make properly... unless it was very thick.

theres a place that makes 2 piece adapters that will work if the bolt holes overlap

[chrsjcb]

Right, I have acquired some BBS 15" 7J rims from an old E30 which I plan to refurb and get looking amazing.

Before I start that they are currently 4x100 PCD, I know I can drill these and have access to the proper equipment, I have one question however.

Can I make the original holes 108mm in diameter OR do I have to drill 4 new holes to match the 4x108 fitment.

td;dr

Are 4x108 holes the same spacing as 4x100 just a different bore.

[mirrorblanks]

they will need drilling in different positions, can't just make them bigger

[chrsjcb]

Excellent that's what I wanted to know, thanks.

I can just make a template of the hub and match this on the wheel right..

[mirrorblanks]

its needs to be spot on, even just a mm out will cause problems

whats the offset of the wheels?

[chrsjcb]

I think it's et20

[mirrorblanks]

if you use a 20mm adapter the wheels would only sit out 15mm furthur than some vts wheels, gives abit of poke and means you don't have to drill the wheels

[chrsjcb]

Adapters are expensive and much more hassle to make than drilling the wheels...

When they're redrilled I can just give them to a guy in one of the workshops and they will do it for me, they're used to making things way more complex and to specs to it shouldn't be a problem.

Will whip a wheel off tonight and get a perfect template of the hub.

[mirrorblanks]

only other thing is then the wheels will have 8 holes, looking like any multifit wheels, not the best look

[chrsjcb]

They have centre caps which would hide it... plus I can get them alu welded,

Now the problem I have is centre bore... on the rims it's 60.1mm!

Need to find spigot rings...

Any ideas?!

[chrsjcb]

Just realised, spigot rings decrease the size from wheel to hub...

Which would allow large bore wheels to fit small hubs, mine are the other way around... argh!

EDIT - Think i'm going to refurb them and sell them on, boring them out isnt going to work.. Going to save for something a bit easier.

[mirrorblanks]

boring them out does work, i've had a few sets of wheels bored out

[chrsjcb]

Does everyone get wheels with a smaller centre bore than the hubs bored out?

I might do it although I kind of bought them on a whim for cheap, I could just refurb them and sell them on for 4 times what I got them for...

Everyone with VW fitment BBS etc on their saxos must have been re bored then...

[mirrorblanks]

might aswell refurb and sell on then, have more money for another set then

[chrsjcb]

Yeah I really want a set of BBS or Borbets.

What am I going to have to do about centrebore if they're say 4x100 and a centre bore of 57.1mm?

I'd feel bad getting the middle of a sweet set of rims drilled..

[mirrorblanks]

Yeah I really want a set of BBS or Borbets.

What am I going to have to do about centrebore if they're say 4x100 and a centre bore of 57.1mm?

I'd feel bad getting the middle of a sweet set of rims drilled..

just get them drilled to 4x108 and citreon centre bore

don't get borbets, over done on everything not vag

[chrsjcb]

It's that really isn't it, anything with a smaller centre bore has to be re-bored...

Yeah I have noticed a lot have them, they look good though which is probably why they're more common than others.

Cool, thanks for your help.

Going to buy a Dremel or something similar and a set of polishing attachments to get started on Sunday. Might hunt out a few bargains and refurb to sell on to get something i really want.

[mirrorblanks]

Might hunt out a few bargains and refurb to sell on

thats what i do

[chrsjcb]

Delving into rims has opened my eyes to a few good opportunities....

You've helped a load mate!