Faded Red Civic Type R

[Bickerton]

Just a quicky guys, my manager at work has a red Civic type R (03) and it seems to have terrible paint fade, can anything be done to this with regards to correction?

He took it to a bodyshop and they said to him it couldn't be sorted as the laquer and paint was mixed up together (wtf?!)

[VTR-Chris]

common problem on milano red CTR's , they go pinkish

nothin really than a full respray

[MikeyW]

It's VERY possible that it can be restored with a machine polish.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313211

[moxy89]

yeah wont need a repray, machine polisher would get it looking mint

[Wayne]

Agree with the guys above should be able to polish out with a DA or rotary, post some pictures if you can get some i'll tell you if it'll polish out;)

[Bickerton]

Cheers, was hoping yourself or suchlike would reply, will get him to take some pics when i'm in next on Wednesday, what kinda price on a correction of it if it's doable by yourself?
Car would be in Northampton

The whole lacquer mixed in with the paint is utter bollocks aint it?

[haz_pro]

WTF laquer and paint mixed together? thats a lie surely :S

Paint VTEC must have kicked in y0.

[TypeRDavid]

Menzerna ff on a finishing pad is all thats needed i will bet my mortgage on it, the paint on the civics is one of the softest ive come accross, Milano red is prone to going tbh.

The guy at that bodyshop is a big fat TOOL!!!! there is also no need for a respray !

[Bickerton]

Menzerna ff on a finishing pad is all thats needed i will bet my mortgage on it, the paint on the civics is one of the softest ive come accross, Milano red is prone to going tbh.

The guy at that bodyshop is a big fat TOOL!!!! there is also no need for a respray !

My manager said "i stood there and watched em try to mop it" i explained he woulda been sat there a while if they had done it properly lol

[stinkycheese]

Is there any reason why red cars seem to suffer from paint fade more than others?

[Bickerton]

UV rays seem to effect red more than most other colours apprently

[haz_pro]

Is there any reason why red cars seem to suffer from paint fade more than others?

Must be something to do with the paint pigment reacting from UV rays more so then other pigments.

Kind of like how white people burn really easily usualy and black people dont maybe. :wacko:

EDIT: too slow lol.

[TypeRDavid]

Yep when the clear coat becomes damaged it suffers from oxidation from all the fallout and general build up of crap from the roads, just goes to show that claying is a very essential part of the cleaning and mantainence process.

[wadoryu]

90% of the time it can be fixed

[Bickerton]

Oh noes! (http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=157703&highlight=milano+red)

[haz_pro]

Looks like the owner is shit out of luck.

Is clearcoat and laquer different then?

As i assumed all cars were laquered, or are they just powdercoated or what :S

[gavin_t]

Just going to echo what david said. Can be done but honda paint is very shit and thin so go careful.

I got my milano red ctr nice and red again using simular to what dave suggested, no respray involved. Although it could do with one as the front is stone chip to fcuk again thanks to the shite paint

[MikeyW]

After reading that DW thread I would tread very carefully, it seems most of the Milano Red CTRs have suffered with a lack of clear coat, ouch ! Give the 'light polish and a light colored cloth test' a go first of all.

[Wayne]

Cheers, was hoping yourself or suchlike would reply, will get him to take some pics when i'm in next on Wednesday, what kinda price on a correction of it if it's doable by yourself?
Car would be in Northampton

The whole lacquer mixed in with the paint is utter bollocks aint it?

Yeah take some pictures, then can give you an accurate price:y: never heard of such rubbish with paint and lacquer mixed together, i've done a few red cars, red cars tend to have lack of lacquer or no lacquer at all! red cars tend to have no oils in the paint, then uv ray oxidises the paint when not protected with a decent glaze then wax. Location is no problem:)

[Bickerton]

Seems "milano red" is a clearcoat so the paint below fades so is unable to be corrected having researched it, i assume the bodyshop failed to explain properly that clearcoat is paint, but clear as such, or they were just shit.

Very peculiar

[Wayne]

Seems "milano red" is a clearcoat so the paint below fades so is unable to be corrected having researched it, i assume the bodyshop failed to explain properly that clearcoat is paint, but clear as such, or they were just shit.

Very peculiar

Can be corrected with the right polishes and tools:y: honda red is known for fading pretty bad, bodyshop probably not familiar with the honda paint system or trying to make some excuse!

[Bickerton]

Oooh, sounds promising.

How do you sort faded paint below another layer?

[Chuffy]

Best get some paint depth readings y0

[Wayne]

Oooh, sounds promising.

How do you sort faded paint below another layer?

Basically i check the paint with a paint depth guage to see how much paint i got to play with start with the lightest cut polish and pad if that works i stick with that or if don't work i up the pad and polish combo to say a polishing pad and medium cut then refine with a finishing polish, then glaze to help protect paint from uv rays and wax to protect the paint altogether:)

[grant_evans]

Can be corrected with the right polishes and tools:y: honda red is known for fading pretty bad, bodyshop probably not familiar with the honda paint system or trying to make some excuse!

if the paint has faded under the clear coat you wont EVER correct it...

[J222JRA]

if the paint has faded under the clear coat you wont EVER correct it...

I agree with this

[rushy_23]

Not just red hondas. All red cars fade with time. Machine polish will sort it.

[J222JRA]

Not the same as other cars Rushy....i was reading up on it last night on a honda forum.

[Bickerton]

Not just red hondas. All red cars fade with time. Machine polish will sort it.

It's not like most paint

[grant_evans]

easy way to tell... get a light coloured cloth and some polish.. rub hard for 30 seconds. if the cloth goes red, happy days.

[rushy_23]

It's not like most paint

Was just stating that its not just Honda Red that will fade.

[J222JRA]

Was just stating that its not just Honda Red that will fade.

Very true.....but from what i have been reading this will not polish up like say a vauxhall would.

[rushy_23]

Ahh I see.

[grant_evans]

Not just red hondas. All red cars fade with time. Machine polish will sort it.

Was just stating that its not just Honda Red that will fade.

but unfortunately its only honda (as far as im aware) that are fucking stupid enough to spray clear coat over a paint thats gonna fade after a few years.

[Wayne]

if the paint has faded under the clear coat you wont EVER correct it...

if it has no clearcoat/lacquer it can be corrected, i know you can't correct the paint if it's faded under clear coat.

[Bickerton]

if it has no clearcoat/lacquer it can be corrected, i know you can't correct the paint if it's faded under clear coat.

Having looked up a bit these civics have a clearcoat

[grant_evans]

if it has no clearcoat/lacquer it can be corrected, i know you can't correct the paint if it's faded under clear coat.

you said in post 21 that you could...

edit... and 24

[Wayne]

Having looked up a bit these civics have a clearcoat

Best thing to do rub something like ag srp on a square test panel with a microfibre see if it does anything if don't i'm afraid it's going to need a respray where it's oxidised, is abit stupid how honda has done the paint system on the red cars.

[Wayne]

you said in post 21 that you could...

edit... and 24

did not say nothing about clearcoat though! lol your confusing me:panic: if i seen it in the flesh then i would know if it could or not be returned to former state.