my hillclimb/sprint 205 thread *any chatter about hillclimbing apreciated haha* [Archive] - Saxperience

AlexB

28th January 2011, 09:58

Right after some though ive decidedi want to do this
Been saying for a while to myself id like too so few questions basically if anyone can help before i even start stripping the car i have

Basically rough spec im thinking

205 rallye
106 GTI throttle bodied 1650cc high comp
1.9 front subframe hubs ect
bolt in cage
Welded seat rails
polycarbs
internal brake lines ect
Coilovers and bushes ect

now i THINK that will be an b2 modified production class car????
I know it wont be extremely competitive but im just starting so dont want too fast lol

if anyone can point me in the direction of the rules i would hugely appreciate it as i can only seem to find lists of classes listing engine sizes they allow

Also any input on things like what you would reccomend in the car itself incase ive missed something like i wouldnt be allowed to have a 16v in what should have an 8v in ect???

Basically a biginners guide to hill climbing would be nice haha!!

Dave_P

28th January 2011, 10:27

The blue book is available on-line here (http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=1101)

Depending on the scrutineer they might be grumpy about you fitting a Gti engine in a Rallye as the Rallye was a 1.4 TU and not an XU motor from the factory.

For production classes you need to keep trim fitted but sound deadening & carpet can come out, bucket seats are allowed & no cage is required.

Also depending on your area only list 1A tyres are allowed, you'd need to check with local car club for details.

miamibluebaby

28th January 2011, 10:30

best bet is join a local club, and get along to some events, as said the blue book is the bible! had a serious look into this when i had my 1.3 rallye

AlexB

28th January 2011, 10:32

Hmmmm pants
The car im looking at is a shell is the problem so no trim apart from dash lol
Id rather a cage (ive rolled a car before so worry) what class would a stripped caged car be in??

Ill read the blue book later on thankyou :Y:

miamibluebaby

28th January 2011, 10:42

This is an email i sent to one of the guys at the HSA about the A1 class 1400cc may be of use

Ali

Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you, I keep getting sidetracked. Thanks for the comments on the web site I'll pass them on to the guys who run it.

Yes your car in standard form will be classed as an upto 1400cc Road-going Production Car; which would be class A1 in the HSA championship.

As for modifications, then you cannot strip the interior. You can change the drivers seat for a fully trimmed competition version (it does not specify any compliance with a standard). And you can remove the carpets, but that's it.

You can do pretty much what you want to the engine as long as it remains the same type and in the same place and within the capacity limits of the class.

The regs say that the suspension configuration must remain standard.

Does this answer your questions?

Feel free to ask me any more.

Cheers

Wil

----- Original Message -----
From: Ali Kerr
To: wil.ker@twin-turbo.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:26 PM
Subject: Where to get started??

Hi wil,

Im writing to ask a few questions, first i would like to say how well the HSA site is set out.

Im wanting to compete my 106 S1 Rallye 1.3, at the moment this is my daily drive, i presume the category this falls into is the 1400cc A1 class??

- how far can i go with modification??
-i plan on stripping the car and using bucket seats, do these need to be in date FIA approved??
- how far can i go with modification to the engine, eg itb's hi-comp pistons etc

Any help or advice is much appreciated,

Regards,

Ali Kerr

AlexB

28th January 2011, 10:57

Right so not having interior means it wont be production class ill be modified then as the car im looking the 1360 doesnt run and the interiors gone :S

AlexB

28th January 2011, 11:07

Would that be b3 class then??

miamibluebaby

28th January 2011, 11:15

Would that be b3 class then??

Best bet is to get in contact with the guys at HSA and see what the score is.

i dont know a great deal more as i havent taken it up but still would love to!

AlexB

28th January 2011, 11:34

Dave what class does your 106 run in?

if i fitted a 106 gti motor i assume id get put in the same as you and its 1400-1800 so i could use the engine ive been uilding for my 106 80mm wossners it would be 1650??

AlexB

28th January 2011, 12:34

Rule 11.5.2 in the hillclimb specific says must make and type in at least 1000 produced cars so an xu is out :( tu 16v it is the.

Dave_P

28th January 2011, 16:59

In the mod prod class the head is free so you can fit a mi head to a 1.9 XU... Or just fit a mi engine like most folk do. ;)

If you fit a tu5j4 you'll end up in a sports libre class, if you want to keep it a 1.4 tu you could fit a 16v head to it.

In Scotland we have a class for same family engine swap tin tops "C0" but I don't think it exists in England.

Our classes are slightly different, I can run in b2 (mod prod 1.4-2.0) or C0 (saloon libre) with my 106.

KamRacing

28th January 2011, 17:21

you need to find the motorclub you are going to run in and then get their specific rules. There are basics in the blue book but there seems to be variation club to club.
Getting a 205 gti may be a better option.

AlexB

28th January 2011, 18:28

Kam ive got a 1.9 gti but its shagged with tinworm and a duff head gasket so was thinking of usijg it as a parts car

Ill try and find my local club then i thought it would be set rules throghout the country :( and dave in sports libre i assume there will be a lot faster stuff as iirc westfeilds and stuff are in there??

Any ideas on a club in the west midlands/coventry are??? Lol

Dave_P

28th January 2011, 20:00

Ye you might have single seaters in sports libre... Unless your local car club does a saloon libre class... Or you come race in Scotland. ;)

Try here.
http://www.hdlcc.com/Regulations_and_Results/

AlexB

28th January 2011, 22:43

Thankyou dave :D

I dont mind a few single seaters im gunna come last anyway haha!!!

willsy

28th January 2011, 22:45

Roll on the 205 progress mate, convo today was ace for plans with it

KamRacing

28th January 2011, 22:49

Dave_P

28th January 2011, 23:19

If your serious about building a hillclimb car you'll save a fortune buying one already built.

AlexB

29th January 2011, 10:08

If you are after a 205 shell then I might have a mint sorrento one available. I cannot see me having time to rebuild it fully as I get my other 205 race shell back in a week or so and I have toys to bolt on..

Hmmm i do love sorrento buy i dont have any way of fetching it lol the rallye ive found is semi local and he doesnt mind delivering only bad thing is someones cut and fitted a sunroof but was a thread on that the other day lol plus it would be a much better use for the itbs and wossners ect i have i need to get onto the local club and see tbh before i commit to anything

If your serious about building a hillclimb car you'll save a fortune buying one already built.

I dont have the cash to outright buy one :( and i like to spanner normally aimlessly tbh hence i bought my gti to keep me busy but its fucked lol im not in a rush as my nana would be elgable for a2 i think after looking apart from the front seats but for what mine are worth i could sell and buy some imolas or something to get into it whilst building and seeing what the 205 would need

Dave_P

29th January 2011, 10:41

What's up with your front seats?

AlexB

29th January 2011, 11:25

there not fia approved as there recliners blue book said drivers must be so ill swap for imolas or something

Dave_P

29th January 2011, 11:45

They don't need to be in production class, std seats & belts are fine.

AlexB

29th January 2011, 13:19

I have omp recliners with willans 4 points atm

Dave_P

29th January 2011, 13:51

Happy days then.

AlexB

29th January 2011, 16:58

rekon theyd be ok then??

Dave_P

29th January 2011, 17:30

In the proddy class ye.

AlexB

29th January 2011, 18:16

saweeeet :)

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 20:20

right after my buyer fucking me about ive decided im gunna just use this shell lol not a rallye but close enough (its white and tu haha) i got a gti front valance decals are 80 quid!

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/205.jpg
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/205mile.jpg
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/205interior.jpg
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/205bay.jpg

lol! race pedigree right there

Dave_P

3rd February 2011, 20:32

A or B class?

adamskiTNR

3rd February 2011, 20:35

You should hit pikes peak with that thing

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 20:37

A or B class?

b im looking to have nothing but one seat a cage and like battery ect inside and the 16v in the front :)

You should hit pikes peak with that thing

maybe when im done with it haha

miamibluebaby

3rd February 2011, 20:45

I know my 205's, thats a T16 right?

Dave_P

3rd February 2011, 20:47

Mi16 engine?

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 20:48

I know my 205's, thats a T16 right?

mid engine turbo 4wd

erm not quite lol

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 20:49

Mi16 engine?

ill keep it tu i have a lot of parts for a tu allready hang on ill post them up

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 20:56

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/bodies.jpg
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/IMG_0394.jpg
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-01-04174846.jpg

not including 2 blocks a late type head and several other bits covers ancillarys alternators ect haha so it makes sence to me to use that lot for something got a load of 8v stuff too for some reason and some twin 40 dellortos

Dave_P

3rd February 2011, 21:18

Cool. :)

Honestly, if you intend using the mi engine speak to the right people to address the oil issues they have.
If you do that now it'll have you a heap of hassle further down the road.

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 21:25

really dont think ill be putting an mi in after a few bits of looking i think staying tu is better as its at least the same family of engine rather than from something totally different plus as said allready got a lot so saves messing and the tu doesnt have many oil issues ect so bit better saves a little weight too lol

Dave_P

3rd February 2011, 22:03

1.4 16v. ;)

AlexB

3rd February 2011, 22:06

i did think about trying to swap my pistons for a different size to keep it under 1600 but under 1400 hmmm lol

AlexB

4th February 2011, 18:35

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-04161818.jpg

Jump start yo!! Haha will have it up the unit tomorrow to strip it down :D

Dave_P

4th February 2011, 19:00

1.1 crank & special rods for 1.4 16v.

adamskiTNR

4th February 2011, 19:58

1.1 crank & special rods for 1.4 16v.

That sounds pretty simple. go for it. the 1.4 competition is much tougher though

btw. the z4 your dad's?

Dave_P

4th February 2011, 20:00

Possibly a bit more to it than that... I'm sure the trainspotters will confirm... ;)

adamskiTNR

4th February 2011, 20:02

Possibly a bit more to it than that... I'm sure the trainspotters will confirm... ;)

And some mapping of course

Dave_P

4th February 2011, 21:03

That goes without saying, it'll need done regardless.

PM Garry.M on the 106 RR for the most cost effective way to have a 1.4 16v. ;)

AlexB

4th February 2011, 22:25

1.1 crank & special rods for 1.4 16v.

damn it i threw a 1.1 bottom end away a few months ago :(

That sounds pretty simple. go for it. the 1.4 competition is much tougher though

btw. the z4 your dad's?

mums haha!
dad had ducatis when he waswith us (hopefully i can get race number 31 in his memory)

notto put a downer on the thread like

adamskiTNR

4th February 2011, 22:45

hmm. ducati. saw a matt black one in brighton with red wheels. such an italian machine. breaks down. lairy engine. un-compromised looks

AlexB

5th February 2011, 08:32

Indeed lush machines the noise of a 1000cc desmo on termingnoni (sp) exhausts mmmmmm

Mind the screaming eagle straight throughs on mums harley 883 kinda drowned it out lmao!

AlexB

5th February 2011, 13:24

It didnt wanna play this norning again so rather than jumping just thought fuck it and towed it haha!

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-05093547.jpg

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-05125144.jpg

Will start stripping it in the week

JamesR

5th February 2011, 18:48

I've always had an interest / wanted to get involved in hill climbing and sprinting, will be watching this thread closely :)

Dave_P

5th February 2011, 19:47

JamesR

6th February 2011, 00:18

Have a look at my hillclimb vids... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Dave106Rallye

Anyway, 1.4 16v. 80mm ish bore, 137mm rods, 1.1 crank and skim about 2mm off the block. :)

Speak to Matt @ cat cams or Sandy309 about them.

JESUS F**KING CHRIST YOU ARE FAST!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Dave106Rallye#p/u/5/V4LpqpQ0k9c

The above is worthy of Colin McRae himself!

AlexB

6th February 2011, 01:23

Legend dave hopefully one day ill be half as fast lol :)

Dave_P

6th February 2011, 13:20

Cheers guys. :cool:

AlexB

6th February 2011, 22:59

More pics the interior started to come out (only had about an hour free today and wasnt in the best condition to work on a car lol)

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-06174943.jpg

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-06174917.jpg

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-06174926.jpg

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-06174932.jpg

As you can see no rust has come through in the rear (as expected tbh) but theres a small amount of surface rust in the bay which ill attack when the engine is out im thinking of painting the bay and whole underside if the car anyway aswell as redoing the interior after welding in seat rails and cage feet lol

More to come as im taking it right to a bare shell and starting from scratch :panic:

AlexB

8th February 2011, 08:27

Bit of a set back on this my 106 decided to have a paddy last night im not sure whats up (its electrical) but it didnt seem good :( need tofix that before i continue with this really

Dave_P

8th February 2011, 10:18

Hope it's nowt expensive...

JoshB

8th February 2011, 11:59

Oh, I thought I'd come into the hillclimbing/sprint thread. Looks like I've found my way into AlexB's progress thread instead ;)

Has anyone ever run at Harewood Hill Climb?

AlexB

8th February 2011, 12:58

Dave i hope its not either

And josh ill remame it when i can get on my computer lol

willsy

8th February 2011, 13:39

Cant believe how tidy this shell actually is. Interiors absolutely spot on, im even loving the special paddling pool attachment :)

NickRDK

8th February 2011, 13:45

Oh, I thought I'd come into the hillclimbing/sprint thread. Looks like I've found my way into AlexB's progress thread instead ;)

Has anyone ever run at Harewood Hill Climb?

I run at Harewood, have done for a couple of year, there are lots of videos on youtube and one on my progress thread of me on here (not that good but gives you a idea) http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238165. If my memory is right it is the longest permenant hillclimb in the country.

AlexB

8th February 2011, 14:58

Cant believe how tidy this shell actually is. Interiors absolutely spot on, im even loving the special paddling pool attachment :)

Whats amazing is that leak hasnt caused any rust issues like my gti

Towels/ rags will be soaking that up later lol i have pics to post of it lmao

willsy

9th February 2011, 01:31

Whats amazing is that leak hasnt caused any rust issues like my gti

Towels/ rags will be soaking that up later lol i have pics to post of it lmao

lol very lucky. I did put the mini heater in there earlier for you when i was working on the Ax, it seemed to have pretty much dried it out aswel over the 4 hours that i was there.

AlexB

9th February 2011, 07:16

Ahh hero mate i was just gunna mop it up tonight lol i think stripping is on the cards and a mock engine fitting as i got a gearbox last night (swapped a bmc for it lol)

Anyway ill carry on with the strippage this week heres some pics of so far

firstly the worlds first 205 with a paddling pool!!
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-07191843.jpg

And the 2 spots of rust both sides behind tbe headlights that ive found
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-06135234.jpg
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-06135215.jpg

its all just taking apart atm sorry guys

AlexB

16th February 2011, 08:45

Right the easy part is finished now itll be onto the exterior/underside/mechanicals in a few weeks im having to wait till ive got my nana sorted turns out its done the usual 3plug ecu trick and just failed completely gone into limp mode and died :S so some of the cash for this is getting a dent

Anyway the interior is pretty clean heres a piccy (seatbelts are now gone too)

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-13130839.jpg

Ill.get my nana gti sorted out and then crack on with this asap getting it down to a bare shell haha also got a lot to mock up with so ill probably get the motor in the bay quite quick even if it has no internals

AlexB

20th February 2011, 14:16

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-02-16161401.jpg

Mock up engine (well it looks like one haha)
Shall be going in so i can make up coolant hoses and see where wiring ect can be run

Dave_P

20th February 2011, 16:47

2 prong head as well. :)

Is it going to be a 1.4 16v then?

AlexB

20th February 2011, 19:46

43k engine aha

It might im undecided still on cc i think it may be though im just looking into it all

AlexB

1st March 2011, 12:21

Right slight setback on this (still got loads to do anyway) but all of the engine stuff i mentioned is gone to my 106 as i need a car daily and 185bhp everyday well i couldnt resist lol
I still have a motor to mock up with it just means ill need to save more but ill be quicker in class a lol

KamRacing

1st March 2011, 13:00

so what engine will you now go for? Same plan? I've just collected my 205. Theres no way it would be in anything but sports libre though if I hillclimbed. Needs a full respray now though

AlexB

1st March 2011, 13:06

Same plan 16v probably a 1400 as dave says itll be more fun then as i can be quite well paced
im talking to a lad about a s1600 pugsport jp4 inlet and tb he has that i may snap up in a few months

i currently still have the 80mm wossners but ideally need to sell them to fund mapping lol
Ill get the chassis built first i think tbh then engine last maybe just take the one out my 106 when im at that stage i dunno lol

What spec is your 205??

KamRacing

1st March 2011, 14:19

It will hopefully be an XU 1.6 16v engine but I want to get it running on a near standard engine first. Its got a 1.8 306 xsi engine currently which I will bolt a gti-6 head and hopefully some throttlebodies (just waiting for a friend to design his own)

AlexB

1st March 2011, 21:19

Sounds fruity :)
i have a spare d6b engined gti sat at home thats fucked should you need any parts

AlexB

25th April 2011, 16:54

been playing in the sun today

fitted wheel studs to the front as the hubs will be staying (rear beam ive left as im swapping it)

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-04-16114920.jpg

got myself a sponsor ;) lmao (freebie off a mate so thought why not)

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-04-25145616.jpg

and bodged this in so i can look at where to put switches ect (ill be buying a proper sidemount when im back from germany maybe some weld in rails) its out of date but i picked up 2 of them for 15 quid haha!!

http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx238/penis4000/2011-04-25154947.jpg

basically little things as currently as you can see its on my drive as i had the nana in the garage doing a few bits ill be taking it back up there soon though and then itll come apart properly also started stripping my donor 205GTI down for subframes beam ect also got the front calipers discs and mintex 1144s sat in the unit ill be painting up and fitting them when i do the lines aswell as the wilwood bias valve i have :)

basivally starting on the little bits as i went a bit ott spending on my nana last few months lol