Spin

[Ultradappa]

Had a bit of a scary moment last night going around a roundabout and hitting some diesel. Back end stepped out wildly i almost stacked the car.

Anyone else spun their car?

I'm a relatively new driver and wondered, what is the best thing to do when you feel it start to slide?

[VTHall]

SLAM THE BRAKES ON

LOL joke.

steer into it.

[Ultradappa]

LOL Kinda tempting to touch the brakes when something starts going bad, i guess i did the right thing after all in turning into it.

[VTHall]

LOL Kinda tempting to touch the brakes when something starts going bad, i guess i did the right thing after all in turning into it.

its as tempting as eating a cream cake when your fat.

[spudders]

spun a few times alwase a huge rush when you stop an no u aint hit nowt

[Jay_]

arse end steps out. steer into it and get your foot down.

[RustySkull]

When I had all my tyers on backwards it was like driving on ice, one time, I was comming off a roundabout into an S bend, someone decided to park on this bend, and another was coming the other way. Now as I came off the roundabout by rear kicked out, so I caught it and it went the other way, now I went through the gap of the parked car and the one coming the other way, sideways, No word or a lie the guy in the car looked at me as I was now facing his drivers door, his face was like "hold on a minute that's not right" Then as I pasted through the gap I blipped the throttle and it came back 'round and I carried on driving.

Now when it was icey me and some mates spent days messing in a car park, I recon if I didn't spend about a week spinning about and getting a feel for how it feels when the back goes out. I'd have binned it lol.

[DontHaveASaxo]

Foot down but if ya in 5th or 6th can get tricky.

[iluminusbutterfly]

i regularly struggle to pull out of a slide in 6th in my saxo.......


best advice is use initative, turn into the slide and power out of it if possible, but sometimes if its a tight roundabout or whatever your safer turning away and jamming on your brakes and letting it spin on the spot, it all depends on your situation etc

[Mochachino]

Pretty fun playin with oversteer in a saxo lol

[pvts]

mine did 2 360s in the opposite direction when i steered into it then flew back wards into some trees I guess its just down to luck lol

[iluminusbutterfly]

because you either didnt put the power on, or didnt slowly let the wheel straight as you put the power on, you just overcorrected and fishtailed....

[Mochachino]

mine did 2 360s in the opposite direction when i steered into it then flew back wards into some trees I guess its just down to luck lol

Not sure if many poeple do 110mph round roundabouts these days tho

[Ultradappa]

I wasn't even going that quick tbh, too many potholes in my area to go fast.
Not sure if it was a drain cover or just a slippy bit of road.

Either way, im glad it happened so that if it does again, i will know what to expect.

[DontHaveASaxo]

i regularly struggle to pull out of a slide in 6th in my saxo.......

:clapping: My heads on a bit loose this morning.

[beckha]

Me, in my DC2 but fortunatly a kerb stopped me, nawtttttt.

Bent my stub axel/wheel wasnt a cheap day for me that.

Saxo; no. Civic; no.

x

[dougieph2]

its a cunt when it snaps back tbh.. over correcting can lead to problems aswell.. thats how stupot rolled his saxo at knockhill :P

[iluminusbutterfly]

didnt he also hit the gravel trap? im sure that was a big part in him flipping it

[russelldav]

I once hit some snow on lane 3 of the motorway at 65-70mph and spun anti-clockwise through 2 complete revolutions across all 3 lanes and back in to the middle. Was convinced as soon as it started to spin that I was going to end up in the barrier but managed to steer out of the spin using opposite lock. No damage - although some numpty two cars behind me drove in to the person in front of them as they s**t themselves when they saw me start to spin.

Was certainly one to get the adrenaline pumping!

Best advice for spinning is DO NOT BRAKE, just lift off the accelerator and if you are able to, steer against it to stop it. To get a professional finish, don't forget to dump the clutch else you'll stall it :wink:

[Matty]

Put some budget tyres on your alloys. Hours of fun to be had going sideways round roundabouts, corners... straights. Best thing i ever did to my saxo was putting proxes all round :D

[iluminusbutterfly]

just lift off the accelerator and if you are able to, steer against it to stop it. To get a professional finish, don't forget to dump the clutch else you'll stall it :wink:

do not do this! its called lift off overstear for a reason

[L20VTS]

Maybe if front ends moving lift off, but back end sod that for a laugh.... lifting off/braking = very bad idea.

[kae]

id have slammed on the brakes and shit myself

[Rotrex_Rallye]

do not do this! its called lift off overstear for a reason

lol I was just about to say the same thing. Do not lift off!

[russelldav]

Best advice for spinning is DO NOT BRAKE, just lift off the accelerator...

do not do this! its called lift off overstear for a reason

My recount was about spinning and I'd argue that if you're actually spinning, you don't want to be accelerating at all!

[iluminusbutterfly]

My recount was about spinning and I'd argue that if you're actually spinning, you don't want to be accelerating at all!

you COULD argue that, you would be wrong, but you could argue that and let us all have a good laugh anyway

[Ultradappa]

id have slammed on the brakes and shit myself

My passenger mearly diverted his gaze from his iphone for a moment to say 'huh', then went back to his facebook.......Calm as a cow in india

[russelldav]

you COULD argue that, you would be wrong, but you could argue that and let us all have a good laugh anyway

If you want to stop a spin you shouldn't be accelerating. You need to stop the wheels turning to stop it spinning. Once all the wheels are locked, a spinning car no longer pivots around its tyres, so it quickly loses its rotational inertia and just slides in a straight line.

You are right that oversteer can sometimes be created by "lifting off" and shifting the weight balance of a car, but it is not going to happen if you are spinning around in circles!

[iluminusbutterfly]

if you are spinning and you lift off you only make it spin quicker which will result in the driver being more disorientated, and the car going faster into things

if you keep accelerating and you put the steering wheel in the right place it will slow you down AND give you more control!

[chinkostu]

i regularly struggle to pull out of a slide in 6th in my saxo.......


best advice is use initative, turn into the slide and power out of it if possible, but sometimes if its a tight roundabout or whatever your safer turning away and jamming on your brakes and letting it spin on the spot, it all depends on your situation etc

thats how i do it. try and correct it, and if it snaps/doesnt work, anchor up. have saved my arse a few times, usually leaves the car pointing obscure but i dont hit anything!

[Mochachino]

If you want to stop a spin you shouldn't be accelerating. You need to stop the wheels turning to stop it spinning. Once all the wheels are locked, a spinning car no longer pivots around its tyres, so it quickly loses its rotational inertia and just slides in a straight line.

You are right that oversteer can sometimes be created by "lifting off" and shifting the weight balance of a car, but it is not going to happen if you are spinning around in circles!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCGnkApnDU

so you would have left off if this was you? lol

[russelldav]

if you are spinning and you lift off you only make it spin quicker which will result in the driver being more disorientated, and the car going faster into things

if you keep accelerating and you put the steering wheel in the right place it will slow you down AND give you more control!

*sigh*

Perhaps if you don't believe me you'll believe Ross Bentley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Bentley):

If you experience an understeer skid, with the front end sliding or plowing towards the outside of the turn, the correction is simple. Just ease off the throttle, which transfers more weight onto the front tires giving them more
traction.

[Source: http://www.bmwccvi.ca/documents/Tip%205%20-%20The%20Skid%20and%20How%20to%20Control%20It.pdf]

This applies EXACTLY to the situation I described when my front end spun out on snow/ice.

[iluminusbutterfly]

understear is the complete opposite to a spin, a spin is categorically catastrophic overstear


therefore you point is about as well thought out as listening to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP_rIAkb_v8

while trying to persuade a court your not a paedophile

[russelldav]

A spin is just a rotation around an axis, regardless of whether it's caused by understeer or oversteer. This is a pointless argument now! The poor guy just slipped on some diesel.

[-jay-vtr]

Get dif welded and bounce round corners and roundabouts lol

[iluminusbutterfly]

A spin is just a rotation around an axis, regardless of whether it's caused by understeer or oversteer. This is a pointless argument now! The poor guy just slipped on some diesel.


are you for real? corse it matters! overstear spin is because the rear has not enough grip and understear is because the front has not enough, by your logic i should drift a rwd car and a fwd the same?

and weld the diff in a fwd car? good luck trying to get ANY cornering done

[russelldav]

understear is the complete opposite to a spin


You said understeer is complete opposite to a spin, they are different things. One is the cause, one is the effect!

[iluminusbutterfly]

how are you going to spin due to your front end going wide?

[russelldav]

how are you going to spin due to your front end going wide?

I refer you to my original post... here (http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5106604&postcount=19)

[iluminusbutterfly]

so your front went wide, you backed off and it span, hmmm let me think what made you spin........

[iluminusbutterfly]

:/ double post

[russelldav]

No mate, my front went wide and flung me immediately in to a spin (front left wheel hit deep snow and tugged the car anticlockwise). I backed off the accelerator about 0.5s later by which time I was facing the oncoming traffic and still rotating anti-clockwise.

[iluminusbutterfly]

then it wasnt understear that caused your spin, it was one of your wheels slowing down rapidly, thats not understear....

and i maintain if you had used the throttle it would of saved it quicker and easier

[MiniGibbo]

Is this saxp or driftworks im on, its so confusing when your talking about your imence drifts!

[L20VTS]

Is this saxp or driftworks im on, its so confusing when your talking about your imence drifts!

It actually sounds like most of these are going to be crashing and dying rather than drifting.

[citroen_saxo_vtr]

Just corner slower??