Not necessarily scammed, just uncooperative

[ed-bradley]

Shannon-ob

Didn't want to bring it to this, But after numerous PM's getting us both no-where and me truly annoyed. I have.

To try and keep it short.

I 'bought' an engine, loom and ecu from him.
I part-paid for it via paypal, to which I'd pay the rest on collection..and stated I wasn't able to collect it for 2weeks+.

All fine so far,
Got a PM last week saying the car was going to be scrapped on monday (7/3/11), and it was needed to be collected before then.
I tried to arrange a way of collecting it,with no luck until sunday night.
I PM'd shannon-ob asking for his address on 2 occasions at least. I had no reply for an address.
I had 2 messages on monday asking if my friend were able to collect it that day, 1 message was at 00:06, the other at 14:18- I replied after the second one when I got chance, stating my friend was able to collect it that day.

at this point, I still hadn't received an address.

I left it until tuesday, sent numerous more PM's.
It was only until I stated I wanted my money back, and that I was going to get Paypal involved if not- That I got a reply. saying I was messing the seller about etc.
To which he also added, the engine was sold the day before aswell...Hmmm

After more Messages between us both trying to resolve the situation, we're no closer to a solution.

Any Idea's on what can be done ?
If things keep going on how they have been doing, I stated to him I'd go down to him and collect the money in person...I just don't have an address :oops: If anyone has it?
Thank you, Ed.

[Paul]

You should be able to get his address off paypal i think? not sure.

Best thing to do is open a paypal dispute and they'll refund you your money.

..Providing you didnt pay via gift.


If you did pay by gift your pretty screwed and if it was me i'd go about getting my money back 'in person'. But you've done the best thing and made this thread, a moderator should get involved and 'recommend' to the other party that they refund your money or you go collect the engine. If its obvious you've been scammed they will get banned. This is normally a good enough threat to get them to pay you back as they won't be able to sell any other parts on here. Also stops them scamming other members.

Remember to leave negative iTrader if you wasn't happy with the transaction (once its completed and you're both not at loss).

Btw, i have a running mark 1 engine forsale with unlocked ECU and wiring loom. Not far from you and i can sell it you at a very reasonable price ;)
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd172/Paul_CGM/White%20VTS%20Breaking%2016th%20feb%202011/th_enginesweet.jpg (http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd172/Paul_CGM/White%20VTS%20Breaking%2016th%20feb%202011/?action=view&current=enginesweet.mp4)

[ed-bradley]

His address doesn't show on Paypal, I'm assuming because I'm the buyer..So he'd only need mine. I would have thought anyway.

Ahh, Already opened a Dispute through paypal. So I'm hoping that'll sort it and then thats the end of it :) Oh yes, Payed the correct way aswell. Good job Lol.

Yeah, I thought It'd be best to make this thread, I didn't really want to bring it to this..But like I said, we were getting nowhere doing it privately. And I don't see how/if I'm in the wrong..

Hmm, I'll think about that engine, Ecu & loom too :D I'll be after one again In the near future if its still in your possesion.
The one I was to buy was very reasonable, but obviously..Too good to be true, Lol.
Ed.

[Paul]

Haha, you'll be fine then. Paypal will sort it out for you. Escalate your claim straight away as it takes a while to sort out if he or she doesn't reply. I remember end of last year.. waiting like 3 weeks because the other paypal user wasn't responding. Paypal basically said if they havent responded by such a date then i'll win. Had to wait a few week for my money but atleast i won.

Also dont be scared of ringing paypal, i've had to ring them 3 times, 2 times out of the 3 i've had a really sound guy who was pretty much on my side straight away. One time i got some old woman, mustn't of been getting any, or must of been on her period, she was a bell end from the start being very 'negative' and seemed like she was against me before i even explained the situation.. hung up on her and phoned back and got someone decent lol.

Click the link in my sig for more info on that engine i'm selling pal :)

[ed-bradley]

Excellent. Thats good news then. :)
I'll probably give them a ring in a few days if I've had no contact from the seller.
Haha. I'll keep that in mind aswell then about the PMT woman. Lol.

Just checked your thread aswell.
That seems pretty damn perfect for me.
I'll let you know asap, when I know what I'm doing about it.
Cheers for your help so far aswell, seems to have put me in greater spirits.:D
Ed.

[VTHall]

that shannon person seemed a decent enough person on here...
shows how much people can be different behind a keyboard.

[ed-bradley]

I no.. He's been fine with me up to this point.
As soon as I asked for my money back, he's become a pain.

[shannon-ob]

that shannon person seemed a decent enough person on here...
shows how much people can be different behind a keyboard.

VTHall & anyone else, It was a deposit for the engine, he messed me around on the collection which ment i had lost a day of earning! I couldn't keep the engine on my drive and had told him it was going to be sold.
Then to threatened by somebody over a DEPOSIT i do not find acceptable, and i'm going to be taking futher action!
A deposit - I have paid lots of deposits when going to look for cars etc. I never got any of my money back when i couldn't go to veiw the car. All the deposit does is keep the car there for me for as long as they state.

This is what i did with the engine for a whole month, then let him know he had one month to collect as the car would be getting scrapped as we had no room to keep the car. Then i let him know he had a week to collect the engine. He had told me it would be towards the end of the week as a mate was going to bringing him down, then further on into the week he told me that the mate was going to London for a week so he couldn't get it for when for said he could, he then asked me to keep hold of the engine for another week, after all this messing around there would be no way that i'd keep the engine there!

He then tried to call me a lier by saying the car hadn't been scrapped as i was still selling parts, he obviously didn't believe me when i said the car had been stripped and that i was storing smaller parts.

Ask anyone else that i have sold parts to! They're all very happy!

Just showwing i'm no scammer in anyway! I had the full intetion in selling this engine etc. to him but i had no intetion of being messed around again!

Shannon.

Edit - He also had my number he could have contacted me at anytime, i was very busy and still am as i'm looking after my mum who's just had a spinal operation! I can't be on here every second of the day! He said he couldn't see my number, even though i had numerous texts from other member of different parts :S

[Giraffe]

I reckon you should refund his deposit and have done with it. What do you need it for? You sold the engine didn't you, would have thought it would be common courtesy to refund it regardless, it's not as if you are a trader or a business etc... Or at least I don't think you are?

[Robbie-Flat-Arch]

personally ive put down deposit on little items and ended up loosing it because it ended up being the wrong thing which served me right for not looking into it first a deposit is there for something to be kept because the person could have another person happy to buy it and says no someone else is going to and then ends up loosing the buyer because of someone messing around, hope it all gets sorted

[devilsadvocate]

Did you stipulate that it was a non refundable deposit?

In my eyes, a deposit is always non refundable

[jonathon5]

How much was the deposit ?

[ed-bradley]

The deposit was only a small amount. The amount is irrelevant. It was never stated in the thread it was to be non-returnable.

You never said the engine was going to be re-sold. Other wise I would have tried getting my money back earlier.

I tried contacting you the day before the end collection date.. Explaining I could send someone to collect it, and the day after. I had no reply. When I had a reply, it stated the engine had been sold. To which I replied I wanted a refund, and would get paypal involved if he refused- which he did. ( This was a last resort for me, as I never had done before and didn't want to.)

You put you're number in an early post of a multi-page thread. I simply didn't see it-I'll admit, a mistake by me. But I thought there was no need for me having it having had perfect contact via PM on here prior to this incident.

I never intended, nor did I "mess" you around. Simply just bad luck in my case, of having a car off the road and some unreliable mates.. I'm sorry if it caused you annoyance. But you've sold the engine on, and from what I understand..for a hell of a lot more than what I was supposed to be paying for it. You've got your money you wanted for it and more.. Whats the trouble in giving me back mine?

[bishyvtr]

Agree with above if you sold engine now why can't you refund him back? Yeah I've Been in your shoe Shannon and very annoying but engine been sold you got wonga and it's out your way, refund chap his money and you won't need to deal with each other again :)

[shannon-ob]

He was the one who said he'd put money into my paypal as a deposit, and as i'm aware all deposits are non-refundable. Ed you know it was geeting re-sold as you asked for the loom to be posted and i said i may have some else interested in the lot. And you said okay thanks anyway.

You're all saying well does it matter as i have money and the answer is yes it does as i could have sold that engine within the first week of Ed wanting it. But no i held it then he messed me about on collection.

I then had to sell the engine really cheap the same day as it couldn't be left on my drive.

Shannon.

[Giraffe]

All deposits are non-refundable eh? First off, that's definitely not true, and also it's done through paypal between two people, it's not a business transaction or anything is it. You COULD refund him his deposit, the only thing stopping it is you. Fair enough if you didn't get your asking price for the engine because you held the engine for this guy, but I reckon if you got your asking price, then you should refund him, if only as a gesture of goodwill.

Personally, if I took a deposit, which I wouldn't, I'd just sell to the first person who came along to avoid all this aggro, I'd refund someone it unless I'd either stipulated otherwise, or if they had messed me around AND I'd not been able to get the asking price for the thing I was selling.

Anyway, I'll take my oar out now, not really any of my business. For the record, I don't think you're wrong Shannon, I can see where you are coming from and if your situation matches what I've said earlier, then I agree with your stance on this one.

[haz_pro]

Did you stipulate that it was a non refundable deposit?

In my eyes, a deposit is always non refundable

I agree with this, if it was me I wouldn't refund the "buyer" either.

[shannon-ob]

All deposits are non-refundable eh? First off, that's definitely not true, and also it's done through paypal between two people, it's not a business transaction or anything is it. You COULD refund him his deposit, the only thing stopping it is you. Fair enough if you didn't get your asking price for the engine because you held the engine for this guy, but I reckon if you got your asking price, then you should refund him, if only as a gesture of goodwill. Personally, if I took a deposit, which I wouldn't, I'd just sell to the first person who came along to avoid all this aggro, I'd refund someone it unless I'd either stipulated otherwise, or if they had messed me around AND I'd not been able to get the asking price for the thing I was selling.

Anyway, I'll take my oar out now, not really any of my business. For the record, I don't think you're wrong Shannon, I can see where you are coming from and if your situation matches what I've said earlier, then I agree with your stance on this one.

Like you said, if i had got the full asking price then yes i would have happily refunded him. But i didn't i had to let it go cheap to get it out the way.

[shannon-ob]

I agree with this, if it was me I wouldn't refund the "buyer" either.

Thank you :)

[Paul]

I agree with everything Dave has said.

I think you're best bet is to go through paypal as there isn't much saxperience staff can do, as technically neither of you are 100% in the wrong (in my eyes anyway). Neither of you set off from the start with the intention of scamming the other person.

Moral of the story, dont get involved with 1st dibs, 2nd dibs, etc etc. I always sell my items to the first person to pay me straight away.
Also if anyone ever takes a deposit like this then it should be decided there and then if its a refundable deposit or non-refundable. Refundable deposit should be paid the usual way over paypal (to give the buyer a chance of getting it back). If its non-refundable deposit then it would be best to be sent via gift (so the buyer has no chance of getting it back).

[loudandproud205]

You didnt have to let it go cheap at all no one made you do it.

You sold it to some one else, man up and refund them, you dont have the item any more and they have nothing to show for the money the spent

[SAM-S44MDS-]

He was the one who said he'd put money into my paypal as a deposit, and as i'm aware all deposits are non-refundable. Ed you know it was geeting re-sold as you asked for the loom to be posted and i said i may have some else interested in the lot. And you said okay thanks anyway.

You're all saying well does it matter as i have money and the answer is yes it does as i could have sold that engine within the first week of Ed wanting it. But no i held it then he messed me about on collection.

I then had to sell the engine really cheap the same day as it couldn't be left on my drive.

Shannon.


Difficult one this, as neither has intended to scam/be awkward as others have said.

Tbf though, nobody made you sell it cheaper. You chose to. You sold it the same day for less, thats your choice. Ed would have collected later that day.
Also, what I highlighted above. You never asked for a deposit, Ed offered to put deposit down to reserve it, which you didnt do tbh cos you sold it ON the day he was due to collect!!!!
If you never asked for a deposit, whats the problem refunding it?

Im not siding either way here btw, cos I can see the argument from both sides. Its just 1 of those things unfortunatly.
Personally though, Ed put deposit down from his own choice, you sold it.
Just refund him and have done. Its no massive loss to you mate

[ed-bradley]

I consider this to be sorted now.

Paypal have issued me a refund, so I'm fine with that.

Just want to clarify before this gets closed/locked, that as said above by Sam.
Neither of us intended to be a pain, Just bad timing for me with collection.. So I can see why Shannon would be miffed at me.
Meeh, Cheers all for the advice and co-operation.
Ed.

[J222JRA]

Glad this is sorted.

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