Honda civic 1.6 VTI any good?

[nadk2010]

hey iv got a saxo vtr and i think im deciding to go for a 1.6 vti as my next car. Dus anybody know what they are like, speed wise, fuel wise, etc, etc. I believe thr around 160bhp? are they quicker than saxo vts? cheers guys.

[welshy23]

vts = 120bhp facStd.
not sure on the 1.6civicVTI facStd bhp but if it is 160bhp...

do the math ;)

[Tommo87]

Bah, the VTi is ok but I only had mine for 3 days lol.

And yes they are 160bhp stock.

[nadk2010]

how cum u only had it for 3 days?lol wat happened?

[Bedford126]

can be pushed upto 190 - 200 pretty easy not bad on fuel if you stay out of vtec.

bad points-

they rust like fuck around the back arches
not many people will map them in the uk without a after market ecu or uni chip
most have been abused and driven within a inch of there life
and finally most of them belong to the people who say "veri fast car init mate braaaap" and come from Bradford.

[nadk2010]

ur right thr m8 i cnt complain with that

[Gary-VTR]

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367430
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352618
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361722
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362866
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351149

Near dead on with a VTS speed-wise.
Would rather a VTS than an EK4. Cheaper to repair and insure, power below 5k revs and will handle better.

[beastgtir]

they are nice, especially the ek4 99-00 facelift model.

i had a saxo vtr then a honda civic 1.6 vti facelift 2000 model.

Alot better to drive then a saxo in my opinion and more room.
My saxo was giving 300 miles on a full tank back then, the civic vti was giving 220-240 on a full tank. Both were roughly the same to fill up

[mattsimmo_350]

can be pushed upto 190 - 200 pretty easy not bad on fuel if you stay out of vtec.

bad points-

they rust like fuck around the back arches
not many people will map them in the uk without a after market ecu or uni chip
most have been abused and driven within a inch of there life
and finally most of them belong to the people who say "veri fast car init mate braaaap" and come from Bradford.

few points i agree with here but

pushed to 200 easy is a myth, you cant gain 40bhp without spending some decent money (port polish cams/itbs if you stay n/a or turbo the stock engine)

and they can be mapped fully on a stock ecu with chrome, and its quite cheap to do, or you have put a hondata s300 in the stock ecu and itll work like a fully standalone ecu (i have s300 on my delsol)

[mattsimmo_350]

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367430
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352618
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361722
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362866
http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351149

Near dead on with a VTS speed-wise.
Would rather a VTS than an EK4. Cheaper to repair and insure, power below 5k revs and will handle better.

ill not start this off again :zainy:

[kristel10589]

few points i agree with here but

pushed to 200 easy is a myth, you cant gain 40bhp without spending some decent money (port polish cams/itbs if you stay n/a or turbo the stock engine)

and they can be mapped fully on a stock ecu with chrome, and its quite cheap to do, or you have put a hondata s300 in the stock ecu and itll work like a fully standalone ecu (i have s300 on my delsol)

port polish does F/A!

[mattsimmo_350]

port polish does F/A!

can you show me proof of this?

[Saxovch22]

can you show me proof of this?

Think about it it's common sense
All your doing is allowing air to flow better so maybe gain 1-2hp

[kristel10589]

can you show me proof of this?

LOL, your polishing a port, as soon as the engine is started it will go back to how it was before the polish.

[mattsimmo_350]

Think about it it's common sense
All your doing is allowing air to flow better so maybe gain 1-2hp

ok thanks, but surely fuck all would be 0hp?

i never said your gunna gain 10000000000bhp by port polishing but as you may know when tuning N/A you need every hp poss, you cant just turn the boost up and put some more fueling in like with a F/I car

[mattsimmo_350]

LOL, your polishing a port, as soon as the engine is started it will go back to how it was before the polish.

right for a start you wouldnt polish the inlet ports as you need a rough surface to create turbulent air so the fuel mixes better (giving a more complete and cleaner burn) and you polish the exhaust ports to HELP reduce carbon buildup as youve spent the time opening the port out you dont want it carboning up and restricing back down again (but wait, your ported inlet now means you get a cleaner burn so theres less carbon buildup)
:drink:

the polish is just to add life to the port, the size and shape is the key to power gains, but you know this already

[dougieph2]

skim, port n polish, breathing mods and ITR valvetrain and your near 180bhp.. remap could see 190 - 200bhp ;)

[mattsimmo_350]

skim, port n polish, breathing mods and ITR valvetrain and your near 180bhp.. remap could see 190 - 200bhp ;)


not exactly easy though is it :y:

[kristel10589]

right for a start you wouldnt polish the inlet ports as you need a rough surface to create turbulent air so the fuel mixes better (giving a more complete and cleaner burn) and you polish the exhaust ports to HELP reduce carbon buildup as youve spent the time opening the port out you dont want it carboning up and restricing back down again (but wait, your ported inlet now means you get a cleaner burn so theres less carbon buildup)
:drink:

the polish is just to add life to the port, the size and shape is the key to power gains, but you know this already

Thats an old saying of 'de-coking' I think you'd find. You'd also do that with the valves and combustion chamber. You cannot reduce carbon build up, it's going to happen regardless, it's a bi product!

[mattsimmo_350]

Thats an old saying of 'de-coking' I think you'd find. You'd also do that with the valves and combustion chamber. You cannot reduce carbon build up, it's going to happen regardless, it's a bi product!

im not saying its not going to happen, im saying this will slow the buildup :wall:

[kristel10589]

im not saying its not going to happen, im saying this will slow the buildup :wall:

No, after de coking, It will still build up just as fast, unless you some how make the combustion cleaner.

De coking can stop hot spots in a combustion chamber, but as soon as you start getting deposits again, hot spots will be there.

[mattsimmo_350]

unless you some how make the combustion cleaner.

ive already said this....:clapping:

[kristel10589]

ive already said this....:clapping:

Where did you say for example, iam going to make the combustion cleaner by using say two spark plugs? You haven't. CBA with you anymore, you made yourself look enough of a twat without me carrying on.

[mattsimmo_350]

right for a start you wouldnt polish the inlet ports as you need a rough surface to create turbulent air so the fuel mixes better (giving a more complete and cleaner burn) and you polish the exhaust ports to HELP reduce carbon buildup as youve spent the time opening the port out you dont want it carboning up and restricing back down again (but wait, your ported inlet now means you get a cleaner burn so theres less carbon buildup)
:drink:

the polish is just to add life to the port, the size and shape is the key to power gains, but you know this already

just there

[Tommo87]

Mine lasted three days cos it was shite.

I've had an EG6 running 190bhp and believe me to get that extra 10bhp for 200 was gonna take lots of work and I'd started with the 170bhp import engine.

[mattsimmo_350]

Mine lasted three days cos it was shite.

I've had an EG6 running 190bhp and believe me to get that extra 10bhp for 200 was gonna take lots of work and I'd started with the 170bhp import engine.

what went wrong with it?

[moxy89]

Just fuck it and get a EK9... there for real men

[Tommo87]

Just fuck it and get a EK9... there for real men

Although the EG6 is just as quick? And you pay pure fanboy tax on the 9.

It was just not rite, mechanically it was sound had 98spec Type-R box, exedy clutch, type-r flywheel, typical I-H-E stuff done, tein springs, black dc2 recaros and a few other bits but it was just shite.

[mattsimmo_350]

Just fuck it and get a EK9... there for real men

their over rated, the only 2 reasons to get one is imo;

1, the B16b engine
2, the stock suspension is corner weighted from the factory (like an ITR)

most of em already come with coilovers so thats one reason gone, and the B16b will be expensive to replace if it fails so most people then swap em out for b18c6s (uk teg engines)

[JoshB]

Saxo's got soul and panache, as well as handling better. Theyre shit and they fall apart but people love them.

Civic's are just for fanboys :homme:

[MiniGibbo]

Ef9 sir - awesome car
EG6 sir/ii - awesome car
Ek4 vti.. Bag of shit.

The EK's handle like shit, slow as fuck and look like a old mans car in oem form :homme:

However it goes without saying like for like the civic is a better car than a saxo.

[mattsimmo_350]

Ef9 sir - awesome car
EG6 sir/ii - awesome car
Ek4 vti.. Bag of shit.

The EK's handle like shit, slow as fuck and look like a old mans car in oem form :homme:

However it goes without saying like for like the civic is a better car than a saxo.

id love to do an Ef build, but its hard enough to find an Eg thats not a rotter never mind its predecessor.

[MiniGibbo]

id love to do an Ef build, but its hard enough to find an Eg thats not a rotter never mind its predecessor.

Easy if theyre both SIR's as you just get one fresh off the boat dude :homme:

[mattsimmo_350]

Easy if theyre both SIR's as you just get one fresh off the boat dude :homme:

never thought of it that way, lmao :y:

[Tommo87]

That's what I tend to do.

Fresh imports,mmmmmmmm.

[titchster]

Stripped, breathed on EG VTi was about level with my stripped, breathed on 16v 106 on track on the straights, slower through corners, and better under braking. That came from one of the passengers from the EG after I took him out for a couple of laps.

Even now, I do keep looking at EG VTis/SiRs though. :/

[sn3ddon]

my ek civic had d2 coilovers on it and handled like a go kart but they are shite worse than a saxo and they rot easy ;)

[Bedford126]

my ek civic had d2 coilovers on it and handled like a go kart but they are shite worse than a saxo and they rot easy ;)

that's funny i had d2 coilovers on my ek9 for 3 months thought they were shit and the worse money i spent so sold them on ebay.

[Mr_X]

The amount of people who say the ek9 is overated is unreal.

I would be looking at the dc2 if you're looking for that kind of thing.

[dougieph2]

not exactly easy though is it :y:

i never said it was easy :err:

and d2 coilovers are shite!!

this is a pretty shite thread imo

[MiniGibbo]

D2's are shit, they blow the seals as soon as they see the entrance gate to a track..

Ek9's are ok cars it's just the premium they demand makes them pointless as they're not that much better than an oem car it's more the pub bragging rights..

[Bedford126]

i never said it was easy :err:

and d2 coilovers are shite!!

this is a pretty shite thread imo

was just thinking that mate sounds like people with no / very little knowledge putting there 2 pence in and trying to sound as if there honda gods.

[dougieph2]

exactly... on another note.. a while back i was going to swap my crx for a vti-s and my insurance would have went up by 300 quid due to it being 2 insurance groups higher than my crx ..

[MiniGibbo]

Isn't the vti-s the four door 1800 rover??

They're even shitter than your rust Doug, WTF man :homme:

[dougieph2]

no, the vti-s was another limited edition ek civic, only 200 were made and it came with the usual b16a2 engine!

nearly as shit as your banana boat :P

[Nik_L]

Only 2 Honda's i really want to own at some point are an ATR and a UKDM DC2.

[dougieph2]

who cares

[titchster]

UK DC2 over a JDM DC2 why?

[dougieph2]

because hes a dickhead who likes to be awkward.. UK roads ruin cars, FACT

[Nik_L]

UK DC2 looks alot better imo.

[sn3ddon]

the only car mentioning is dougies crx ..... crx are the best honda made fact

[dougieph2]

thnx bbz <3 xxx

[sn3ddon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcn1fmRm2o&playnext=1&list=PLAB431AED950D7ED0 OFFFFTTTTT

[sn3ddon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD5ni4vfydM <<< legendary

[dougieph2]

LIKE!!!!!

[Heliosphan]

I had an EK4 and it bored the tits off me.

[MiniGibbo]

Aha I know the ones Doug the little S on the badge is a different colour, seen some on civiclife..

Still a gay EK though :homme:

Jdm dc2 > uk dc2

[dougieph2]

agreed gimpo