MMA Fighting/training

[superCREG]

I attended my first MMA training session tonight. I have always been a fan of martial arts, did some kickboxing and stuff years back but never anything like this!

It is intense and I need to get better! Any tips for me to train maybe in my bedroom or to think about?

Cheers
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[Tontsy]

ive always wanted to try MMA... but, i have a few anger management issues, and i know that i wont be head strong enough to pull my self away if i got angry in the ring, i wouldnt stop. as my anager management was orderd due to my violence :/ not great eh!

[motomouth3]

Start doing a LOT of fitness training, running, core strenght etc :)

[FisherVTS]

work on your strengh and fitness mate, core training is the key. dosent really matter about how big or small you are.

[superCREG]

Start doing a LOT of fitness training, running, core strenght etc :)

Iv been doing that alot for the past few months, I'm quite strong and don't get tired cos of doing alot of cv. My first sparing was against the most experienced trainer and I got destroyed lol, never been on the floor so much.

Mainly I want some fighting tips, any sites that have good tips etc?

Thanks for the post though x

[DusheR]

Start with the basics, remembering to breath and not gas too early. Then make sure you have a good base. Practise some sweeps and transitions then research some submissions.

www.submissions101.com

Then just practise some more.

[chazdear14]

Can i ask how you got into it? I might also be looking into joining an MMA gym, thanks

[JamesR]

It seems every fella and his cat are starting MMA these days lol

Cardio, Cardio, Cardio - Whether it be running, swimming, shadow boxing, cycling, heavy bag, sparring, pads etc

Strength straining - Squat, Bench press, Deadlift, Olympic press and then mix in some kettlebell routines and dumbells routines and body weight exercises (Pushups, Pullups, Situps, Dips)

But remember your skill comes before you size / strength so work on your technical aspects more to start with then build on your strength and stamina :) - What classes are you taking? As you can't "Do MMA"? You must be doing a Muay Thai class and a Boxing Class and BJJ / Wrestling class? Unless they just roll it all into one and call it "MMA" which i don't like tbh

[WorthingSaxoVTR]

as above with jamesR

you need to train in the separate arts, Muay Thai, Boxing and BJJ should cover you for everything.

[vtrlogan]

buy a copy off train hard fight easy, they have some very decent techs for training, but you will never get a harder work out in a gym like running/swimming/ bag work/weights than u will rolling with someone stronger than you.. so find a BJJ class in my eyes the best out there for fitness.

get a mate and just roll with him, get him to go hard use your techniqe and you will soon have much better CV and much more techincal!

[vtrlogan]

But remember your skill comes before you size / strength so work on your technical aspects more to start with then build on your strength and stamina :) - What classes are you taking? As you can't "Do MMA"? You must be doing a Muay Thai class and a Boxing Class and BJJ / Wrestling class? Unless they just roll it all into one and call it "MMA" which i don't like tbh

Alot off gyms do train 'mma' now, they just show a jab, right cross, > single/double leg/ to full gaurd/ to a submission, what i learnt when i went to my 1st one.

they combine everything in 1 session.

[JamesR]

Alot off gyms do train 'mma' now, they just show a jab, right cross, > single/double leg/ to full gaurd/ to a submission, what i learnt when i went to my 1st one.

they combine everything in 1 session.

And comprimise on all areas...

I disagree with it and you would probably do a lot better going to a dedicated class for each art, you pick what you want out of:

Boxing
KickBoxing
Thai Boxing
Karate

BJJ
Grecon Roman / Catch Wrestling etc
Judo
Sambo

And many other arts, train in them in separate classes or even separate places and then maybe use the "MMA" classes to pick up little hints and tips you might not of in others and use it as a sort of "All round workout" session.

[vtrlogan]

And comprimise on all areas...

I disagree with it and you would probably do a lot better going to a dedicated class for each art, you pick what you want out of:

Boxing
KickBoxing
Thai Boxing
Karate

BJJ
Grecon Roman / Catch Wrestling etc
Judo
Sambo

And many other arts, train in them in separate classes or even separate places and then maybe use the "MMA" classes to pick up little hints and tips you might not of in others and use it as a sort of "All round workout" session.
This is the problem with learning set class's.. lets put it into the cage, your a boxer, your gunna get taken down submitted, your a bjj black belt, your gunna get knee'd and kicks thrown at you, you can learn set things but if you skip any other lessons then your giving yourself a weakness in my eyes..

if your pro and have no job then yeah i would recommend doing wrestling, bjj, mauy thai, mabey judo, but if you have a job then i highly recommend a mma class, ive been going to a mma class for about year and half and now and again some bjj/wrestling classes, while training at the gym,

its obvious that your not gunna learn set things in each dis, but your more than likely to learn what you want to know if you go to a mma class itself, chances are no one here wants to learn how to roll with someone and get submissions with no GI, most people want to learn how to be like jon jones and known fighters like brock, kick/punch, pick them up slam them then smash teeth, on the street, not many want to make a liven out off it where im from..

most people have no idea off what it takes to actaly compete, in a 'mma' fight, im FAR from pro but got my second mma fight on 7th may, (AMT), so im speaking from what i think!

[vtrlogan]

Also, look at the top gyms.. they ALL have MMA classes! mabey your gym just sucks at teaching alround mma!?

[WorthingSaxoVTR]

GSP trains in all of the arts separtately

enough said really :)

[JamesR]

I don't attend an MMA gym? Amatuer Boxing and JJJ :)

[vtrlogan]

GSP trains in all of the arts separtately

enough said really :)

as i said, if your job is a pro fighter, or you have no job training dif places is obvly better.

I don't attend an MMA gym? Amatuer Boxing and JJJ :)

gracie ju? or was that ment Bjj? i take it you dont plan on getting in the cage then?

[DusheR]

GSP trains in all of the arts separtately

enough said really :)

Whos GSP? :homme:

[JamesR]

as i said, if your job is a pro fighter, or you have no job training dif places is obvly better.



gracie ju? or was that ment Bjj? i take it you dont plan on getting in the cage then?

Japanese Ju Jitsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu), the original art that Judo, Sambo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (via judo), Shooto, Aikido, Hapkido, and Bartitsu came from.

Not really, i am training for realism and for self defense, not saying MMA isn't good for that, but i don't want to be on the ground in the street so don't want to train a lot in BJJ, there is a load in JJJ anyway so I'm fine :)

Whos GSP? :homme:

Georges St Pierre

[DusheR]

Japanese Ju Jitsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu), the original art that Judo, Sambo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (via judo), Shooto, Aikido, Hapkido, and Bartitsu came from.

Not really, i am training for realism and for self defense, not saying MMA isn't good for that, but i don't want to be on the ground in the street so don't want to train a lot in BJJ, there is a load in JJJ anyway so I'm fine :)



Georges St Pierre

Training for realism. :wacko: a lad I knew got smacked in the back of the head and stamped on by a few lads yesterday... How could he train for that? Too many people have that 'I do that ufc' attitude now. Called it that since my last holiday in magaluf where I had the funniest person make up stories about how he got his t shirts for free cos he done that ufc. :geek:

All these boys with something to prove eh. Why cant we all just get along :p

And oh yeh that was sarcasm, I would love GSP if he wasnt so perfect.

[JamesR]

Can train to be more aware of people around you?

And by realism, i mean groin shots, throat strikes, small joint locks, eye gouges, pressure points etc - I am not saying there is anything wrong with training in MMA but there are rules since it's a sport, in the street there are no rules and if some nutter gets me in a headlock (Somehow lol) i will grab and twist his nuts and pull the fu*king things off.

The majority of people i know who claim to "Do mma" do it for a few weeks to get a reputation and are skinny little weaklings who couldn't fight there way out of a paper bag. Same with my boxing gym, people turn up thinking they are the big man saying they want to spar and i have had the pleasure of schooling a few of these tools in my time there and they never come back. Obviously they tell there mates they slaughtered everyone in my gym to big themselves up. MMA has just become the "Cool" thing to do these days.

The police, special forces and army's around the world don't train in MMA, they train in Krav Maga, Ju Jitsu or another realistic defense art. My sensei has the pleasure of teaching many of these skilled soldiers. MMA has rules, although if you train in it properly you will be a skilled fighter, it is lacking in some real world techniques.

[vtrlogan]

lol, i mabey wrong but dont like all armed forces train 'mma' as its mixed matial arts?, mma doesnt mean ufc rules only.. and chances are if a mma fighter gets u in a headlock hes going to have hooks in, then you cant grab his nuts or his eyes, but the streets are slug vests,

and also who gets someone in a headlock then stands there with you? by the time you have grabbed anyones nuts ur gunna have swollowed fists and knees.. and once you have been knocked out from a knee your gunna look like a puff after grabbing on his nuts?? im not dissing if it works than cool, but weird as it seems ill much rather pass out or knocked out, than start grabbing and twisting nuts on the street ;\.. talk about sending your cred down the poo'er lol

and looking at most ufc fighters come from the marines and dana white him self takes ufc fighters to marine camps for training im certain marines train alot off 'UFC' stuff

[JamesR]

I couldn't care less about my "cred" as long as i get out of the situation safely and protect myself or the girlfriend or family? If that means ragging the shit out of someone nuts to cause them excruciating pain i will do that. I'm not hunting for a reputation with martial arts and fighting sports like a lot of people out there, only the ability to look after myself and loved ones.

You really are a typical MMA lover, you just refuse to accept that what you train in isn't the best thing out there, i have said in all my posts that training in MMA will certainly make you a good fighter if you are committed. However it isn't the greatest thing out there, there is good and bad in every art, but always something to learn.

MMA doesn't cover any weapons training at all (Defense against not just using) it's good for brawling i will give it that. But that said, i have my Boxing if i just want to brawl and i thought that since i could box i could handle myself - That was until i walked into my Ju Jitsu dojo and the sensei told me to throw a pull force right hand at him (He's 59 years old, has a slight limp, half my size and height) and before i could even think to do anything else i was lying on the floor in a moderate amount of pain with my arm locked up. Every day since then that i have trained i have realized that i couldn't defend myself for crap, and that these "average looking fellas" could probably kill me with their bare hands.

Honestly, i was naive myself at one point and thought that the best things are Boxing, Thai boxing and MMA etc but seriously, until you are on the receiving end of some of these people it really makes you realise, this seemingly tiny, frail old man who resembles Yoda from star wars was able to take me out before i could even blink.

It really opened my eyes, Ju Jitsu was developed by the Samurai for use on the battle field for killing one another, and it's just as effective at making a show out of the local "Tough guy" in today's settings.

[vtrlogan]

simple thing is 'MMA' is mixed matial arts, it isnt ufc ffs! it is every matial arts, im not saying cage fighting is the best, i just think you underate it and saying im a 'tyipcal mma fighter' and acting like im just a 1 day a week training, and never had a fight in my life.. is plain stupid. you can train how to grab nuts and how you put it protect your family ect, cool!.

The main thing is, if your jap JJ is so good why is it so undercover? and lets me honest just becos we have the ufc with rules people would still want to train what your saying is the best MA there is, you cant say mma isnt the best as its every matial art sport out there, if im not right?..

but as i said, i take it you have never been put in a headlock by someone your fighting? coz you clearly havent. if anyone puts you on a headlock they are NOT going to stand there and just wait for you to do something, so while you holding his nuts, hes going to be putting your arse on the floor, and as soon as his knee hits your nose your not going to think about grabbing nuts your going to think about covering your face so that doesnt happen again, im not pro/badass cage fighter, but ive had a fair few fights now on the street and in the cage sparring/shows to no. what your saying isnt going to help you,

now im sure there is better ways out there, but i have actaly been taught this and used it, weather it was a reaction to do it or not, but head lock, bend knees, get wrist control, then shot up while driving forward, nose to the sky, then you can get behind him and do what u want..

[Peter_D]

Why don't you guys quit arguin like little bitches and settle this in the octagon

[vtrlogan]

Also, your the type off person who goes around giving out bad names, about saying o that skinny little chav just wants to go mma so he can learn to fight and make him self look good infront off his mates, i fully agree there are a couple that do that, but none off them learn anuf to say they are a cage fighter, most people just say they train but dont even go to the gym, shit i went out 2 weeks ago and was speaking to two boys that train at the same gym as me at the same time and have been there longr than me but ive never seen them once.

but just becoz that skinny little chav wants to learn doesnt make him any different from you or me.. and coz i wear trackys and a hoodie im a typical wanna be badass? and dont care about training i just do it coz i want to be cool? no. people really piss me off when they say this shit, coz chances are that kid wants to come and learn and hes doing more than most by turning up to lessons. and not just sitting on his pc bad mouthin it.

Sorry but this pisses me off when people say that shit.

Why don't you guys quit arguin like little bitches and settle this in the octagon

Okay joe rogan :D

[JamesR]

I haven't been put in a headlock in a street fight no, probably because I'm now bordering on 6ft 6 and i wouldn't let someone get close enough to do that.

I have attended a few MMA classes so i do have a say on this, i love the sport it's fantastic but it is that, a sport. I don't like BJJ as the floor is the last place i want to be in a street fight, Judo / Wrestling is in JJJ, muay thai is as well since we train / spar with knees, elbows, kicks and punches.

And why is it so under cover? Because there is no sport aspect like popular arts such as TKD, Boxing, KickBoxing, MMA, Karate etc. The majority of people don't want to train in something that doesn't have a sporting side. Seriously you can't judge something you have never trained in, i have been to a few MMA classes like i said and even though my knowledge is limited, i can still make judgments on it.

To make this clear, i am in no way slating or saying that training in MMA will not make you a good fighter, I'm simply saying that you are training for a sport with a fair amount of rules that prohibit some of the best strikes and attacks out there, a quick example is a joint lock of the wrist. MMA is A LOT better than Karate or TKD or some of these arts that are simply awful, however it isn't the ultimate thing out there.

Like i said, every art has it's good and bad points. I don't like talking about fights in the street as well as i avoid them for the most part and i don't "Fight" i Defend Myself and the only 2 times something has happened went like this:

Attacker walks towards me in a threatening manner, swings a punch, i step backwards, punch him full force in the face with a right hand, he goes down, i run away before his "Boyz" find me and have a chuckle to myself when i get in.

Second incident was walking through the local park one evening and a pair of idiots a few years younger and a fair bit smaller than myself try to have a go. Only one starts at first while his mate chants things like "Fuckin smash his head in lad!!" in a scummy scouse accent. As expected he starts swinging wild haymakers and i covered up, took a few hits on the way in, got in a clinch with him, kneed him in the groin, he went down lie a sack of shit, i said something along the lines of "You want a go as well?" to his mate and at that they ran away.

Other than that, i avoid situations or walk / run away from them. This was all before i had started Ju Jitsu, now i have already learnt about 15 techniques that would of been applicable to them situations.

(To make it clear again, i am a MMA fan and have trained in aspects of it so can we stop ;)) - I am being completely civil and calm however your posts seem to show you getting agitated and angry so i will leave this here. Good luck with the training :y:

[stinkycheese]

TDD and a decent 1-2 would fuck up 90% of the population.

[stinkycheese]

Whilst we're sharing our 'kick ass' stories, here's one of mine;

At a small local football club's function/party thing. Talking to a bloke I semi-knew, he's a big stocky skinhead 'biker' (who doesn't own bike or licence), goatee, leather jacket, tats, the whole 9 yards. Talking in the carpark, I must say something that offends him, he starts shouting, I tell him not to. He punches me. Shit flashes white. Step back and start popping him in the head like Mayweather. Fat cunt doesn't know how to throw a punch, swinging like a windmill. He grabs hold of me and pulls me to the ground, I end up on top so I stand up and jump all over his head. Somehow he staggers inside.

By now I'm feeling like a champ so I start running inside after him. As I open the door, some retard from my year back in school comes sprinting out and plants one on me. I get layed out by the chubby little nerd. Broke my wrist, 6 weeks statutory sick pay sucks.

There's probably a moral to that story. Feel free to come up with one yourself.

[DusheR]

Here man I had a fight with 4 blokes and I swear to god, no bullshit I ripped the first blokes arm off and proceeded to smash fuck out of all his mates with it before finding myself bolt upright in my bed with my lass shitting herself. I love dreams.

[vtrlogan]

I lol'd! 1st story sounds like just my luck, I would manage to beat a bloke that looks like he can fight then get battered by a 5 year old lol

[SaxoVTR2008]

Amateur MMA is glorified wrestling match in a cage.. Seeing as you can't even punch eachother!

[stinkycheese]

Amateur MMA is glorified wrestling match in a cage.. Seeing as you can't even punch eachother!

Huh? You can punch lol. Just no elbows I believe.

[SaxoVTR2008]

double post

[SaxoVTR2008]

Amateur MMA
This term is used to described a Mixed Martial Arts fight where striking to the head is not permitted, neither whilst standing nor on the floor (i.e. only body shots are permitted).

[JamesR]

The one thing that i don't like about MMA, is when it goes to ground almost instantly and they are just in a stale mate on the floor for 2 rounds then someone gets a submission and it's over.

Bores the crap out of me tbh K1 is were it's at :)

[stinkycheese]

Amateur MMA
This term is used to described a Mixed Martial Arts fight where striking to the head is not permitted, neither whilst standing nor on the floor (i.e. only body shots are permitted).
I know for a fact that in certain states in the US that amateur fights are no different to pro fights. What you've written may be true in some places though.

The one thing that i don't like about MMA, is when it goes to ground almost instantly and they are just in a stale mate on the floor for 2 rounds then someone gets a submission and it's over.

Bores the crap out of me tbh K1 is were it's at :)

That's where I'm different to most 'fans' then. You aren't understanding what's going on then. Just because they arent punching eachother in the face doesn't mean that they aren't fighting. They'll be pummeling for underhooks, trying to shift they're hips for sweeps, lock up an arm, etc etc very rarely do you see absolutely nothing on the ground. Just because you're ignorant to the ground game, don't dismiss it.

I don't mean this as a dig btw, I too thought like you 2/3 years ago. Try watching videos of Marcelo Garcia, Jacare, Royler Gracie etc or

And K-1 is fucking awesome too! :D

[JamesR]

I know for a fact that in certain states in the US that amateur fights are no different to pro fights. What you've written may be true in some places though.



That's where I'm different to most 'fans' then. You aren't understanding what's going on then. Just because they arent punching eachother in the face doesn't mean that they aren't fighting. They'll be pummeling for underhooks, trying to shift they're hips for sweeps, lock up an arm, etc etc very rarely do you see absolutely nothing on the ground. Just because you're ignorant to the ground game, don't dismiss it.

I don't mean this as a dig btw, I too thought like you 2/3 years ago. Try watching videos of Marcelo Garcia, Jacare, Royler Gracie etc or

And K-1 is fucking awesome too! :D

I have a basic knowledge of ground fighting, but it's just so slow and boring for me, why i prefare my Boxing / Kickboxing :)

[vtrlogan]

Nope. zipped mouth.

[DusheR]

Ju jitsu is like a game of chess. All about tactics and thinking many moves ahead. Its incredible when you see two pros rolling... transmissions, sweeps and submissions that just blow my mind. Clever people!

[JamesR]

BRAZILIAN Ju jitsu is like a game of chess. All about tactics and thinking many moves ahead. Its incredible when you see two pros rolling... transmissions, sweeps and submissions that just blow my mind. Clever people!

Better ;)