tom_wynne

[Peter_D]

He advertised a new iPhone and Blackberry in this thread - http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377496

Thought the iPhone was cheap as fuck so snuck him a PM hoping i would get there first before any other scavengers got it, or blagged to him that he was selling it a bit too cheap

Made the deal, sent him the money...then checked the thread a while later to see a message from someone saying 'iphone is mine :D'.....then another guy going no its mine ive paid for it

Instant rise in my blood pressure, called him a fucking bellend in a PM and phoned Mam to get her to file a claim instantly with Paypal, just a few hours after sending the money

I sent the money via goods as i'm wary of twats like this, he's sold the phone to 3 of us, and has been active since my messages to him but no reply

Absolute wankshaft, hope something bad happens to him

[blackie_2k5]

pm'd a mod with this too? thats bad crack, lots of ppl are finding ways to get around paypal wth scams

[Peter_D]

I reported his thread but dunno if anythings been done about it

[Sandy869]

Can back up this scam claim as im one of the other lads that sent payment only to find out it was a scam! Fortunayl paypal seems to have sorted it so far so i hope the other two people involved are both as lucky

[Peter_D]

You get your money back already?

[haz_pro]

What a cunt.

[Peter_D]

Paypal have held my money he cant touch it

The other 2 boys have got theirs back

He still has the phone for sale on pistonheads, pistonheads have been informed

I have 2 mobile numbers, his name, age, address, and details of his (former) employer

I phoned him to enquire about the phone he said its still for sale, i said nah im jus bullshittin ive already paid, whats the deal.. He said hes posting it and he has 2 of them, i said well youve sold it to 3 people and youre offering me one now so you must have 4? He said theyre lying about paying LOL

Paypal are looking into his account and checking other transactions and theres a good chance he will be getting blacklisted with banks, via Paypal, so hes fucked himself right up here what a noob

[Peter_D]

Also if hes reading this, my money is now returned

And ive found out alot more about you than you could imagine.. Appears youve already been a naughty little lad, you are up shit creek already and this scam only adds to that, cant say anymore about it on here

Cheers you bell end.

[Ryan]

thanks for update Peter.

If anyone else awaiting refunds can post in here so im aware of the situation before I go waving my ban stick around ;)

[Peter_D]

As far as i'm aware there was 3 of us on here who paid for the iPhone and we've all now been refunded. The other 2 claimed there money back before he could recieve it, and my money he refunded me earlier after i got his phone number and phoned him threatening police action, he was stuttering like fuck on the phone he didn't know what bullshit to try and tell me

If you need more info speak to saxo180 as i told him a bit more of this story which i can't repeat on the forum

[blambert]

3 or 4 guys on cliosport have falled for the same thing. One was duped into paying by bank transfer..... Can you PM me the phone number?

You have to be a paid member to see the classifieds, but its here:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?578508-Iphone-4-32gb-white-for-sale.-Brand-new/page7

[ollsaxogti]

same as above, a mate of mine on clio sport just rang me and gave me a heads up , tom_wynne what a scum pipe

[Ryan]

im on CS so can speak to admin on there if needed. Obviously the data protection act means some info cannot be shared.

[ollsaxogti]

just found this check the name :

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2815668.htm

[Peter_D]

Yeah Ollsaxo i've reported that advert to Pistonheads already, dunno why they haven't removed it?

Unless it's a new advert he's listed

[ollsaxogti]

Yeah Ollsaxo i've reported that advert to Pistonheads already, dunno why they haven't removed it?

Unless it's a new advert he's listed

probobly is a new advert , its purely scum tbh i wouldnt have the nerve to do it

[Tontsy]

just found this check the name :

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2815668.htm

i just emailed him, saying "Deal whats your paypal"

lets see what he says... then ill reply with the uhh no.

[vts-dave]

advert states its new so has been put up in the last hour

[Peter_D]

I got sent a link to Clio Sport to download the pages to view as i aint a member to see the for sale section

Shocking he has conned a heap of them on there

I am gonna phone West Mercia Police HQ in his hometown Malvern, and report him and let them know whats going on

I have enough details on him hopefully they should be able to just go round and arrest him

What a fucking knob i want him to die

[blambert]

He posted this in the ClioSport thread.

"f**k knows whats happened here. I've just checked my emails and seen all this crap thats going on. I have never had an Iphone nor am I selling/sold one. I have issued refunds for these, am in the process of issuing the last one now.

Im not sure who knows my password or paypal details but f**k me im gonna find out!

Ill get this all sorted. Sorry people, dont know what to say :\"

hahaha.

[Peter_D]

What aload of bullshit!

He has been found out and is back pedaling as quick as he can

Hopefully everyone gets refunded from this dick head, seriously why would someone use his account to sell an iPhone, but put up his own paypal address? They would use his account on here to advertise, but then stick their own Paypal account on so they recieve the money

What a fanny, caught red handed

Just so you know Tom Wynne, i contacted your former employer on the phone and he has dished the dirt on you, you are a slimey bastard and you are already in trouble with the police, i know everything but i wont repeat it, so stop lying, and get everyone refunded

Then once you've refunded everyone can you do one last thing.....could you please FUCK OFF AND DIE, you absolute TWAT!

[Meto]

:detective::detective::detective:

^That smiley should be renamed the Peter_D smiley. Good work finding out details, just glad everyone was refunded on here through paypal.

Did he have any trader feedback before this?

[Peter_D]

Had no iTrader but he was a premium member and has been on here a while so seemed genuine...but obviously not

[blackie_2k5]

lots off ppl are doing this via the forums, become a paid up member etc, wait a while then sting the lot in one go, you get ten ppl over a couple of forums at £280 thats alot of fucking money!

what a wanker, very sloppy scammer this one btw, hope everyone gets their money back, least if they dont its been brought to light, and if he hasnt already im sure peter could get and give out his address to those that werent fortunate enough to receive a refund :D

[Peter_D]

Yeah a very sloppy scammer, stupid fucker

Hope theres not loads of other forums he's scammed people on

Wank stain

[blambert]

Over at Clio Sport he's saying that he's gonna refund all the money.... but hasn't. He says he can't refund it as it is frozen due to the disputes.

However, one way to settle disputes on paypal is TO REFUND THE MONEY. Also, he gave like 3 different emails to send money to. So, he has 3 paypal accounts, all of which were hacked, and all of which he now has access to to refund the money, all of which are locked?

The guy that bank transferred the money to him is apparently getting his money back when he 'goes to the bank tomorrow'. No internet banking in his world then. The sort code is to a bank in Liverpool though, but he could have moved since opening the account.

Basically, by stringing along the CS guys he's buying more time. All well gash.

[dondan]

Cliosport is one of them unfortunately, quite a few members on their done. He's a brave lad, I'd rip his nipples off and feed them to him.

[blambert]

"The sort code is to a bank in Liverpool though, but he could have moved since opening the account."

That sound like I think you have to go to the opening branch to do stuff. I meant... doesn't prove its where he lives.

[JoshE90]

I'm one of the guys thats been done by this scumbag over on cliosport. He is saying now that paypal won't allow him to refund the money as paypal have held the funds and he has no funds in his paypal balance to use. If he has managed to transfer all of the money out of his paypal account or spent it online, how will paypal be able to return all of the money to me? After reading up about the paypal refund process online it does seem that the seller needs to have sufficient funds in his paypal account to make a refund, failing that he needs to add funds from a bank account which takes several days. I have also asked that he makes a personal paypal payment to me as a way of a refund seeing as using the proper refund facility requires available funds in his account. Any help would be appreciated?

[Peter_D]

Get on the phone to Paypal ASAP! They will sort it somehow, im at work right now so cant help

[carter]

even if he has taken the money out of his paypal or spent it you can still get it back. (unless you sent it as a gift)

If he has a balance of £0.00 and say 5 people have put claims in for £200 each, when he nexts logs into paypal he will see his balance will be -£1000.

Which he then owes paypal, if he doesnt pay it they will take it from the bank accounts he has linked to it.

[JoshE90]

Phoned paypal yesterday and they said they can't do anything now until the 10 days elapses on the dispute when they will attempt to return funds to me should the seller not respond or process the refund. How did he sort out the refunds to the people on here? Was it through the paypal refund process as part of a dispute?

[Barry123]

He posted this in the ClioSport thread.

"f**k knows whats happened here. I've just checked my emails and seen all this crap thats going on. I have never had an Iphone nor am I selling/sold one. I have issued refunds for these, am in the process of issuing the last one now.

Im not sure who knows my password or paypal details but f**k me im gonna find out!

Ill get this all sorted. Sorry people, dont know what to say :\"

hahaha.

Nice of him to tell Cliosport that he'd been hacked but not saxp... what a gimboid.

[haz_pro]

Probably because he hasn't been hacked lol. No way is that true :P

[azraelazrael]

Also one of the people he ripped off. Wanted to access this to print it off but cant

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377496

Could someone please print it to PDF in landscape, if you pm me i'll send you my email address.

Ta in advance chaps

[JaketroN]

Got me too.

In the same situation as JoshE above!

Paypal dispute, got to wait 10 days to get a possible refund, if he has the funds.

Phoned my bank and they said they cant do anything until after its gone out.

What would people recommend now?

Cheers

[blackie_2k5]

sad thing about paypal refund is that if theres no money in the account (eg hes already transferred to bank) even when he refunds the money it takes 5-7 days as its got to be retrieved from his bank account

so even if he refunds today its gonna be min next fri before it shows in your paypal, unless hes still got money n there in which case it will be instant

dont worry if youve paid in the correct way, youll get your money back, could take up to a month though :n:

[dondan]

In the meantime someone should go break this cunts legs :)

[JaketroN]

sad thing about paypal refund is that if theres no money in the account (eg hes already transferred to bank) even when he refunds the money it takes 5-7 days as its got to be retrieved from his bank account

so even if he refunds today its gonna be min next fri before it shows in your paypal, unless hes still got money n there in which case it will be instant

dont worry if youve paid in the correct way, youll get your money back, could take up to a month though :n:

Cheers for that mate!

Put my mind at ease for now, still some worrying stories on the internet.
However, we have a lot of information about this bellend, so something should get done...

[Ryan]

paypal like holding money when it comes to claims, the nice bits of interest they earn on it.

Sadly they are arseholes like that.

Good to see lots of updates, will make sure this thread remains open for a while so hopefully all can post/try to recover lost funds

[JaketroN]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1391270104

Hes going to Spain in two weeks....

[lee_saxo]

even if he has taken the money out and paypal refund you it, it will put his paypal balance into -minus and he will owe paypal the money. So you will get your money back. If he sells anything through paypal again the money will just be taken straight off the balance he owes. If he does not settle up with paypal then they take legal action obviously they will have the majority of his correct details. Paypal can't recover the money straight from his bank as that would be fraud, they have no permission to take money from people's banks unless they have stated so.

[Mochachino]

Also to add, if the paypal balance goes into red and the isnt sufficant funds in the bank account the paypal balance will remain in red and if it isnt returned to £0 the baliffs get informed. Takes time, but thats what happens.

[DanielT92]

Loving the detective work that has gone onto this, shows scammers can't get an easy time.

[Mochachino]

Loving the detective work that has gone onto this, shows scammers can't get an easy time.

Hes abit of a dumb scammer tbh. Using his real name as a username, becoming premium member etc, you would think he would take more precautions to cut all ties to the real him.

[DanielT92]

Hes abit of a dumb scammer tbh. Using his real name as a username, becoming premium member etc, you would think he would take more precautions to cut all ties to the real him.

Not the sharpest knife in the draw clearly, but usually people that get caught are dipshits. This guy is clearly one lol.

[MunkyBoy]

Any Sax-Perv's added his girlfriend yet?

Picture of her - Not sure on her age!! (http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227475_10150179265422904_509832903_6768936_4803138 _n.jpg)
Her Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509832903)

[DanielT92]

Everyone should add her, say about her bf being a scammer, make him pay.

[Krys_23]

Peter needs to sign up for facebook if this is the case!

[Peter_D]

Yeah JaketroN just keep in touch with Paypal they will deal with it all

JoshE90 sent me a message and i spoke to him on the phone to tell him the crack, sent him this guys number so hopefully he got hold of him, he said Paypal said the guy needs to contact them to issue the refunds since the money is on hold, dunno if that is true or not

If he just phones Paypal and says refund all these lads, i'm sure that will sort it

If he's refusing that, and making excuses, surely someone is local enough to him, get a few boys round, and make him phone Paypal while they are standing there (knife held against throat is optional)

I've sorted that guy out who was wanting to print off the for sale thread aswell, think he's the guy who paid bank transfer

Hopefully everyone gets their money back and this twat gets locked up

He's a shit scammer, he obviously doesn't know the simple rules to scamming

#1 - The first rule of Scamming is, you do not talk about Scamming.

#2 - The second rule of Scamming is, you DO NOT talk about Scamming.

#3 - The third rule of Scamming is, you do not scam Peter D.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/MaxCarsNBabes1/FIGHTCLUB.jpg

lolololololololol

[DanielT92]

^Good work man, nice to see something actually being done, and like you said, if someone is local, it would be good to see if they can go down and see what's what. Also, I have the guys postcode off his PistonHeads ad that later got removed if that's of any use?

[MikeYost]

Nothing to do with this.. just reading the thread, click the fb links..

turns out my mate works with his mrs, so if she didn't know about his dodgey dealings she does now haha. Hope everyone gets there money back!

[DanielT92]

Nothing to do with this.. just reading the thread, click the fb links..

turns out my mate works with his mrs, so if she didn't know about his dodgey dealings she does now haha. Hope everyone gets there money back!

At least you have a Mutual friend, another outlay to get the money back right there

[JoshE90]

Thanks Peter_D for the phone call earlier. Unfortunately that number you gave me for Tom Wynne goes straight to voicemail now, and no one has had any contact from him today as far as I know and he's not logged in on cliosport either. Looks like we're going to have to sit it out and hope paypal manage to recoup all the money for us. Its likely he'll try and vanish off the face of the earth now I imagine

[Peter_D]

Aye he was probably getting bombarded with phonecalls so switched his phone off

There is a phone number for an E.J Wynne on the internet, a landline number, in Malvern

Wonder if it's his parents or something? Would be an idea to phone it and find out who it is to see if they know about it, even if they can't do anything to help atleast it'll make him look like a cunt

Hopefully he does vanish off the face of the earth once everyone has their money back

He must be feeling down after all of this, so to cheer him up i'm offering to take him on a nice weekend break in Switzerland where he will be staying in a 5 star Euthanasia Clinic, all inclusive

Enjoy your vacation you knob head

[JoshE90]

It would also appear he has now deleted his facebook account

[Barry123]

Gotta love citizen law... keep up the good bombardment on his ass.

[haz_pro]

Call the number, if it is his parents, and they are decent parents, they will love to here what he has been up to... (If it was my mum she would probably shop me in herself lol.)

[Peter_D]

I've found a landline number for a different Wynne, and the postcode matches the one he uses

Gonna phone it in a minute and see what they say, if they are decent parents they will be reasonable

If they are twats like their son, then atleast we have a full address and landline number to report it all to the police

[Krys_23]

Thats the price you got to pay if your going to attempt to rob innocent people for £300 a pop, what a nobber, surely he realises deleting his facebook account makes him look even more shifty, this thread must be highlight of sax-p's year, awesome amount of effort gone in from here and cliosport, hope everyone gets a refund.

[Peter_D]

No answer on the home phone ill try again soon

Joshe90 can you tell azraelazrael to check his pm on here dont think hes read it yet, he needed a print out of the guys for sale thread

[Mochachino]

I think his mrs knows now, shes changed the privacy settings on facebook so that random people cannot see her wall or info etc

[Peter_D]

Hopefully she cheats on him and he tops himself

Once everyone is refunded of course

[JaketroN]

Need a get a portfolio going on this bellend haha.

Top work to you guys though, specially Peter_D!

[JoshE90]

Peter_D I've sent azraelazrael a message to check his pm's on here. Let me know how you get on with the landline number, I also wouldn't mind having it if you could pm it to me. Cheers

[Peter_D]

I've tried the landline number 3 times but no answer

I'll try it again later on, and then again tomorrow if i still don't get an answer

Once i've got an answer on it i'll send you the number if it's the right people.. Just so they don't have a few people ringing their house up asking if they know a Tom Wynne

I'm pretty certain it's his house though, 99% sure. If it's his parents i just hope they are reasonable and not the type of parents who just try and defend their bairn even if he has done wrong

I'll let you know what happens

[JoshE90]

Thanks Peter really appreciate your help, lets hope the parents are decent people.

[azraelazrael]

Massive thanks to Peter_D for his help. He went way out of his way

Two thumbs up

[azraelazrael]

Can anyone affecyed by this post up

Name or fourm name
Amount paid
Payment method and detail i.e. email

I am collating it for the police

[Peter_D]

Peter_D

£280 via Paypal to mmlocksecurelocks@hotmail.co.uk

But have had the money refunded after phoning him and threatening to call the police with his details

[haz_pro]

Peter you should call the police any way..

[Peter_D]

Ill leave it to these lads as ive got my money back and so do the other 2 Saxp guys, and would rather not deal directly with the police but ill help the clio sport lads as much as i can

[blackie_2k5]

so do you have an address for him peter? where abouts is he from?

[Peter_D]

Malvern in Worcester

[blackie_2k5]

miles away from me :n:, id have had a pop round, petty thieves boil my piss :D

[saxorino]

Peter_D = sherlock homes.

[Peter_D]

The address i have matches the postcode he uses, and the postcode he used in an old advert for a car engine he was selling

The householder's name is Nicholas Wynne

This is the house -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/MaxCarsNBabes1/wynne.jpg

[Peter_D]

miles away from me :n:, id have had a pop round, petty thieves boil my piss :D

Yeah same here!! Thats why i wanna make this cunts life a misery.. First time i've been scammed and he's gonna wish he didn't bother

If i wasn't about approx 10 hours away i would of been straight round at his door with my sleeves rolled up

[Sandy869]

Got to say Peter_d you've done an awesome job here lol!

[JaketroN]

The address i have matches the postcode he uses, and the postcode he used in an old advert for a car engine he was selling

The householder's name is Nicholas Wynne

This is the house -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/MaxCarsNBabes1/wynne.jpg

Would you mind sharing the post code please?

One I have from paypal is different to that, possibly wrong!

Thanks

[ed-bradley]

Wr14 1rq

[Peter_D]

Yep WR14 1RQ ^

Just looked further and it seems the house is unoccupied since 2003 onwards? Which might explain why theres no answer on the phone, but i didn't think the phone would even be there to ring if theres no one living there?

And that photo from Google Street surely wasn't from 2002, they didn't have Google street then? And theres a guy working in the garden

Fuck knows :S

[haz_pro]

Nah phone wouldnt think pete, someone would have to be paying line rental...

[JaketroN]

11 Shipwright Close, Worcester WR4 9XP, United Kingdom

Address I got from his paypal...

Although he put WR9 9XP on paypal, I figured it was a mistake after googling it.

[Peter_D]

Thomas Wynne, 11 Shipwright Close, Worcester WR4 9XP, United Kingdom

Other occupants: Tracey Hedgecock, Tracey Benbow, Sophie Mobberley, Nicholas Hedgecock

So he may of moved house then, in 2009. His parents probably still live at WR14

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/MaxCarsNBabes1/wynne2.jpg

[K17NEY]

Hopefully she cheats on him and he tops himself

Once everyone is refunded of course

On it!:y:

I have to say lad, Im uber impressed with your detective work. Im just gutted my pm didnt get a bite so i could of been of some help.

[blackie_2k5]

does the landline number you have match any address you have in the directory?

if so i say we all send a first class letter with this thread tagged in it as a hard copy to his house notifying him there are alot of angry mother fuckers with his address :D

im game

[JaketroN]

does the landline number you have match any address you have in the directory?

if so i say we all send a first class letter with this thread tagged in it as a hard copy to his house notifying him there are alot of angry mother fuckers with his address :D

im game

Im all up for fucking him about etc, after my money has been refunded :P


Can't let him get away with this considering the amount of info we have on him.

[azraelazrael]

Reported to the Police, they did say they can drop the case if refunded but I doubt he'll have the common sense to do that.

I printed everything out before he changed it so they have lots to go on :)

[Saxo-KidNI]

The address i have matches the postcode he uses, and the postcode he used in an old advert for a car engine he was selling

The householder's name is Nicholas Wynne

This is the house -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/MaxCarsNBabes1/wynne.jpg


Could of been his old house.... Question is where tha Fook is the front door!!!!

[MunkyBoy]

Could of been his old house.... Question is where tha Fook is the front door!!!!

He sold it to 4 different people, when it fact - it was never there in the first place.

[Saxo-KidNI]

He sold it to 4 different people, when it fact - it was never there in the first place.

i dont think anyone can live in that house ...maybe in a tent outside or if you break a window
i am finding it amusing tht there is no door to this house that i quoted on

and im finding it ever more amusing that this guy thought he could get away with scamming like that

sounds very stupid making a scam on a forum when it takes one person to say they bought the item and then for someone else to say tht they bought the exact same item from the exact same person

was reading though this thread is this guy still alive or has Peter_D got his hands round his neck or maybe other people that are pi$$ed at this guy killed him yet

TBH he deserves a good kicking if u ask me

[JaketroN]

i dont think anyone can live in that house ...maybe in a tent outside or if you break a window
i am finding it amusing tht there is no door to this house that i quoted on

and im finding it ever more amusing that this guy thought he could get away with scamming like that

sounds very stupid making a scam on a forum when it takes one person to say they bought the item and then for someone else to say tht they bought the exact same item from the exact same person

was reading though this thread is this guy still alive or has Peter_D got his hands round his neck or maybe other people that are pi$$ed at this guy killed him yet

TBH he deserves a good kicking if u ask me

He might have got away with it yet, depends if paypal get my money back :(

[Saxo-KidNI]

He might have got away with it yet, depends if paypal get my money back :(

good luck
hope u getur money in your back pocket where it belongs :)

[Peter_D]

Paypal should get your money back no problem aslong as you didn't pay by gift

They will still be investigating him

Have you contacted Paypal via phone (dont mess on emailing them)

They are aware of him, and it would be best if everyone affected would phone Paypal and let them know the issue they have and ask them what the outcome may be

[Bound]

Fucking owned, hot missus though.

[TomT]

Peter you brilliant guy, well done in getting all the info you have so far.

Good luck to everyone still trying to get there money back.

[JaketroN]

Just to let you guys know, me and JoshE have received a full refund! :)

Thanks for your help.

[Peter_D]

Good to hear!! Was it from him, or did Paypal refund you?

What about the other lads how did they get on? Or was it just you 2, and the guy who paid by bank transfer?

[VTHall]

any update??

[lee_saxo]

Hi Pete bbz can't believe he mugged you off. Least you got your pennies back but to cheer everyone up i've got 10 iphone 4's i'm selling at £150 a pop which is a real bargain for an iphone 4. Just pm me and send me the money via paypal as a gift and i'll get them in post first thing

[Peter_D]

PM sent

[lee_saxo]

bbz do you want 2 ?

[joe333]

prick!

[Venns]

What a complete prick, hope he goes and die's cant abide people who think its funny to rip others off out of their money. Hopfully he comes to a meet or somthing soon prick!

[lee_saxo]

can i put your name down for an iphone 4 to ?